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00:58:47FromDiscord<a_guy_a> i've never run tests like this before lol https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1521319054302777494/image.png?ex=6a446647&is=6a4314c7&hm=67d42cecfbcdd44b3bbe0760a8c22db12da4e76e16aa5bf952678ca10f58e95f&
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03:07:36FromDiscord<Aceroph> is there any documentation on documenting code?
03:10:03FromDiscord<a_guy_a> In reply to @Aceroph "is there any documentation": https://nim-lang.org/docs/docgen.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com
03:10:23FromDiscord<a_guy_a> In reply to @Aceroph "is there any documentation": https://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/markdown_rst.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com
03:11:22FromDiscord<a_guy_a> a hard emphasise on the '?utm_source=chatgpt.com
03:11:23FromDiscord<a_guy_a> (edit) "'?utm_source=chatgpt.com" => "'?utm_source=chatgpt.com'"
03:11:29FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> `?utm_source=chatgpt.com`
03:11:46FromDiscord<a_guy_a> we are missing a lmgtfy.com for chatgpt
03:12:29FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @Aceroph "is there any documentation": # regular comment (like python)↵#[ ]# open/close block comment (like / / in java)↵## doc comment (use this for library documentation)
03:12:38FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> (edit) "#" => "\#" | "java)↵##" => "java)↵\##"
03:12:50FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> basic rundown
03:13:23FromDiscord<a_guy_a> https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=nim+official+documentation+for+documenting+code
03:13:32FromDiscord<a_guy_a> ## try that
03:14:15FromDiscord<a_guy_a> does nim have a random library ?
03:14:45FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> https://nim-lang.org/docs/tut1.html#lexical-elements-comments↵https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#comment-pieces_1↵https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#documentation-comments_1
03:14:51FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @a_guy_a "does nim have a": yes
03:14:56FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> `import random`
03:14:59FromDiscord<a_guy_a> yes it was satire
03:15:00FromDiscord<a_guy_a> excuse me
03:15:03FromDiscord<a_guy_a> (edit) "excuse" => "pardon"
03:15:05FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> oh 😭 mb
03:15:13FromDiscord<a_guy_a> this jackass cant fucking google
03:15:45FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> 🤷‍♂️ might as well answer if we've got the answers
03:16:05FromDiscord<a_guy_a> that seems a bit wrong
03:16:38FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @Aceroph "is there any documentation": btw, for future stuff, try searching in the doc website (https://nim-lang.org/docs)
03:16:43FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> or nim by example
03:17:00FromDiscord<a_guy_a> or ChatGGPT works VERY well
03:17:00FromDiscord<a_guy_a> bro
03:17:10FromDiscord<a_guy_a> (edit) "ChatGGPT" => "ChatGPT"
03:17:15FromDiscord<a_guy_a> like super duper well
03:17:15FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> (edit) "(https://nim-lang.org/docs)" => "(https://nim-lang.org/docs)↵↵theres a se‍arch bar on the left"
03:17:51FromDiscord<a_guy_a> like the new google
03:18:03FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> knowing how to use the "old" google is important too 😁
03:18:37FromDiscord<a_guy_a> idk google is shit
03:18:42FromDiscord<a_guy_a> ever notice you cant search for anything
03:18:55FromDiscord<a_guy_a> my email exists on tons of sites, yet google shows none for the exact search
03:20:24FromDiscord<a_guy_a> but is there anything better though ?
03:20:34FromDiscord<a_guy_a> (edit) "though" => ""
03:20:49FromDiscord<a_guy_a> google seems shit intentionally and thats a scumbag move
03:21:39FromDiscord<a_guy_a> 🤷‍♂️ to each their own
03:23:33FromDiscord<a_guy_a> there was a big trend people "google dorking"
03:23:33FromDiscord<a_guy_a> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_hacking
03:23:59FromDiscord<a_guy_a> but now a days it feels this is patched
03:25:23FromDiscord<a_guy_a> 💯
03:25:57FromDiscord<a_guy_a> has anyone tired nimony yet
03:54:40FromDiscord<Aceroph> ew↵(@a_guy_a)
03:54:58FromDiscord<Aceroph> thanks↵(@DetermiedNim1)
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03:56:53FromDiscord<Aceroph> did look into that (yes i can google, no i dont use chatgpt), but i wondered if there was any more to it than multi lines, basic docs and comments (like argument annotation, returns.. like @param and @returns in java)↵(@DetermiedNim1)
03:57:15FromDiscord<Laylie> a simple "it's in the manual" would have been better than all that, sheesh
03:57:27FromDiscord<Aceroph> fr
03:57:45FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @Laylie "a simple "it's in": i like being thorough 😅
03:58:10FromDiscord<Laylie> yeah you're good
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09:06:54FromDiscord<[Next-System] systemblue> I'm making↵↵cross platform SIMD library with Nim
09:07:10FromDiscord<[Next-System] systemblue> this is main language logic https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1521441958248317008/message.txt?ex=6a44d8bd&is=6a43873d&hm=0e6e6efe3997cd2f4a4424c1575dfcb0ecf58c358fac014a3e1b64cc2218ba84&
09:07:14FromDiscord<[Next-System] systemblue> it's name is SIMDLang
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10:22:59FromDiscord<karolyi> being able to use simd with nim in an easy way would be a huge step ahead
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12:21:05FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> In reply to @a_guy_a "my email exists on": You want google to scrape every bit of information on the internet and map every keyword to every website
12:26:37FromDiscord<nervecenter> https://verdagon.dev/blog/ante-blending-borrowing-rc
12:27:08FromDiscord<nervecenter> In which the creator of Vale, making a new language, rediscovers Nim's default memory model while managing to blast it with a billion required annotations.
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12:39:48FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @nervecenter "In which the creator": trying to appeal to the java crowd, i see
12:42:46FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> Learn using docs or youtube?
12:43:07FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> Probably docs
12:45:15FromDiscord<nervecenter> In reply to @abdulrahman.103 "Probably docs": Docs plus X in Y Minutes. Best way I personally learn is to have a small but somewhat robust example project you can convert to any language and try to make it as idiomatic as possible.
12:45:25FromDiscord<nervecenter> (edit) "you" => "I"
12:45:39FromDiscord<nervecenter> Mine's a Monte Carlo simulation.
12:50:47FromDiscord<gesee37> In reply to @nervecenter "https://verdagon.dev/blog/ante-blending-borrowing-r": Well I see a lot of things here that simply aren't a problem with value semantics
12:50:59FromDiscord<gesee37> And a good ORC
12:51:23FromDiscord<gesee37> But I wanted myself to try borrow type for Nimony
12:51:51FromDiscord<gesee37> Which would be be type on which rust's borrow checking apply
13:26:51FromDiscord<0ffh> In reply to @nervecenter "In which the creator": But how could that be, we all though that was impossible!
13:47:24FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> In reply to @gesee37 "Well I see a": yeah i think there's even a talk at nimconf about this
13:51:30FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> In reply to @nervecenter "In which the creator": i can see the "this is for the programmer (and the LLM) to reason about" argument already
13:53:37FromDiscord<nervecenter> In reply to @zumi.dxy "yeah i think there's": rofl that was mine
14:00:14FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> In reply to @nervecenter "rofl that was mine": oh hello forgot that was you lmao
14:00:29FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> so many people i've yet to meet
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14:27:34FromDiscord<tvoyglaza> Bro, this language is so flexible. Looks like im cheating lol https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1521522586045907105/image.png?ex=6a4523d5&is=6a43d255&hm=de3bf4dc3a86d1f7aed2c35e9433588df64247f3a1c103aacef50cbdfcd472c6&
14:28:23FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> stropping is a beautifully cursed thing↵you can have a function name with spaces
14:29:01FromDiscord<tvoyglaza> yeahh
14:29:15FromDiscord<tvoyglaza> you can literally use lorem ipsum as a function
14:29:26FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=VitGcEgh
14:29:53FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=AfbicnCl" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=RGKBaHgt"
14:30:19FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> (to nim the name is just `Iterateoverallfooandoutputsomething`)
14:30:23FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> (iirc)
14:30:27FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @zumi.dxy "I think most syntax": ultimate descriptive naming
14:30:58FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> built-in literate programming support 😏
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14:33:35FromDiscord<tvoyglaza> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1521524102785929337/image.png?ex=6a45253e&is=6a43d3be&hm=01ad5a9b2f292442de9205338614cae4390fdfcc534f45cf93c770a9d6a8d462&
14:33:48FromDiscord<tvoyglaza> so nice!
14:34:43FromDiscord<tvoyglaza> Bro, now you can even teach Nim for a little child
14:35:04FromDiscord<tvoyglaza> (edit) "for" => "to"
14:42:44FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> In reply to @zumi.dxy "(to nim the name": I do have to warn you that on an error this is the name you'll see
14:46:21FromDiscord<tvoyglaza> Yeah
14:54:14FromDiscord<0ffh> In reply to @tvoyglaza "Bro, this language is": Little problem, you won't get short circuit semantics that way.
14:59:47FromDiscord<tvoyglaza> In reply to @0ffh "Little problem, you won't": umm.. so it's better using templates?
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15:31:44FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> is there a benefit to using let instead of var when possible
15:35:02Amun-Rayes, it prevents accidental modifications
15:35:20Amun-Raand let's the reader know the value doesn't change
15:35:29Amun-Ralets*
15:36:04Amun-Raalways use const if it's possible, then let, then var
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15:37:07FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> rust and nim are similar in a lot of ways
15:37:32Amun-Rarust has special mut keyword for that
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15:38:15Amun-Ranim has is much more powerful in compile-time; the thing I (over)use
15:38:24Amun-Ras/is//
15:38:34FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> is nimony much better?
15:38:56FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> i looked at the repo
15:39:04FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> it seems the biggest upgrade is compile time
15:39:06Amun-RaI've never used it
15:39:15FromDiscord<pevici> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/LOqCbQZF
15:39:20FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> In reply to @Amun-Ra "I've never used it": its not complete yet
15:39:31FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @Amun-Ra "nim has is much": I don't use rust at all but isn't it also extremely powerful for metaprogramming?
15:39:32FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> its gonna complete this year though
15:39:39FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> In reply to @_timurski "I don't use rust": whats that
15:39:43FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> metaprogramming
15:40:04FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @abdulrahman.103 "its gonna complete this": seems like there's a long way to go
15:40:12Amun-Ra_timurski: I used it 2+ years ago; can't remember the details
15:40:20FromDiscord<_timurski> hmm
15:40:35FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @abdulrahman.103 "metaprogramming": compile time code generation / execution
15:40:45FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> uses?
15:40:49FromDiscord<_timurski> meta programming means programming the program
15:42:08FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @abdulrahman.103 "uses?": plethora of them; simple generation of SoA types, vastly superior code optimization in certain cases, easier debugging, profiling, invariant checking, cleaner APIs
15:42:39FromDiscord<_timurski> and much more that I'm too lazy to list out right now
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15:43:21FromDiscord<nervecenter> In reply to @abdulrahman.103 "is there a benefit": Everywhere possible, yes
15:43:35FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> how low level can nim be?
15:43:36FromDiscord<nervecenter> Immutable data has many many benefits
15:43:46FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> im very interested in it but im currently making a python project
15:43:50FromDiscord<_timurski> i used Nim's code generation recently to automatically generate maximally optimal functions to evaluate specifical mathematical functions
15:43:52FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> id like to learn it after
15:44:03FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @abdulrahman.103 "how low level can": you can write inline ASM and use pointers and can easily import C
15:44:11FromDiscord<nervecenter> In reply to @abdulrahman.103 "im very interested in": If Python is your standard, Nim can be vastly lower level, you can map directly to C sys calls
15:44:22FromDiscord<nervecenter> They're barely comparable
15:44:29FromDiscord<nervecenter> Except the obvious syntactic inspiration
15:44:34FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> it compiles to c so coding in c is definitely an option
15:44:39FromDiscord<_timurski> you can also never touch any of that if you don't want to
15:44:45FromDiscord<nervecenter> Python also has pervasive OO and reference semantics, Nim does not
15:44:47FromDiscord<_timurski> (edit) "you can also never touch any of that if you don't want ... to" added "/ need"
15:44:57FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> but nim seems to not have classes right?
15:45:02FromDiscord<nervecenter> Right
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15:45:09FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> whats the alternative
15:45:25FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @_timurski "i used Nim's code": 600 million spline evaluation per second on my Mac M1 single threaded, genuinely was shocked when I got this number
15:45:27FromDiscord<nervecenter> You can emulate classes with var/ref objects and procs/methods that take that object as a first parameter
15:45:46FromDiscord<nervecenter> Which is how it's done in C anyways
15:46:13FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> how come such a language is not famous
15:46:23FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> nobody is behind it is a reason
15:46:25Amun-Ragive it time
15:46:36FromDiscord<nervecenter> But OO is strongly discouraged unless absolutely necessary, I recommend learning the default idioms
15:46:54FromDiscord<nervecenter> OO is a tool, not everything
15:47:09FromDiscord<nervecenter> (edit) "a" => "one" | "onetool, not ... everything" added "a solution to"
15:47:09FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> well in python its everything
15:47:12FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> literally
15:47:23FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> thats why i almost always use classes
15:47:24FromDiscord<_timurski> for many purposes OO is an objectively poor way to structure your program
15:47:36FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> even variables are objects
15:48:16FromDiscord<nervecenter> In reply to @abdulrahman.103 "even variables are objects": That's partly because it's dynamically typed, so that object contains lots of type metadata which has to be checked at runtime
15:48:31FromDiscord<nervecenter> Which is why Python is 100x slower than a statically typed native compiled binary like Nim
15:49:40FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> it really is a glue language
15:49:53FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> you cant code something usefull without using c libraries
15:50:15FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> im using pyside which is a qt wrapper
15:50:57FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> but that mostly eliminates the performance issues
15:51:02FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> because youre gluing c
15:51:17FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> the second biggest issue is packaging
15:51:26FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> there isnt a standard way to package python
15:51:44FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> there is pyinstaller which is buggy and nuitka which is recent and works well
15:51:55FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> nuitka compiles python to c (mostly)
15:58:35FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @_timurski "for many purposes OO": objectively
16:11:22FromDiscord<nervecenter> In reply to @abdulrahman.103 "there is pyinstaller which": The reason I chose Nim at my job was specifically I had been prototyping my analysis engine with Python and bashing my head against PyInstaller and Nuitka
16:11:41FromDiscord<nervecenter> They don't even come close to just writing your program in a native-compiled statically typed language
16:11:59FromDiscord<nervecenter> Python incurs enormous costs and you can't get around them without much ado
16:12:02FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> sometimes you package it and then windows defender thinks its a virus
16:12:07FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> or so i heard
16:12:12FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> havent happened to me
16:12:56FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> In reply to @nervecenter "They don't even come": the thing with compiled languages is most of them have bad syntax
16:13:03FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> and interpreted ones tend to be easy
16:13:20FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> idk why
16:13:26FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> no correlation
16:13:42FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> like js can be learned by a child in 3 days
16:13:43FromDiscord<nervecenter> Syntax is one thing, I'm more worried about semantics. C++ has textbooks' worth of hidden semantics that have to be learned, otherwise you stumble over them
16:14:02FromDiscord<nervecenter> Different types and passing rules for references, initialization rules, standard library inconsistencies, the works
16:14:15FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> c++ is decades worth of code that has to be compatible with newer versions
16:14:31FromDiscord<nervecenter> Which in my view is not a strength
16:14:38FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> i agree
16:14:42FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> i dont want to learn all of that
16:14:52FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> 1 standardized way is alot better
16:15:16FromDiscord<nervecenter> Systems that are critically important should not be built with brittle tools
16:15:29FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> sometimes languages have to die and new ones replace them but c++ is not dying anywhere soon with that much c++ code flying around
16:15:50FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> most tech is built with c/c++
16:15:57FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> heck even python
16:16:12FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> and nim depends on it
16:16:13FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> too
16:16:29FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> c is nice
16:16:35FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> didnt change much
16:16:47FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> a step above assembly
16:17:01FromDiscord<nervecenter> C has its problems but it has a stable standard in the form of C99, which made it a great compile target for Nim.
16:17:11FromDiscord<nervecenter> C++ is just too damn brittle
16:17:54FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> In reply to @nervecenter "C has its problems": why did nim use c99 instead of newer standards
16:18:06FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> compatibility?
16:18:14FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> for old hardware
16:18:17FromDiscord<nervecenter> Stability and platform compatibility, yeah. You can find a C99 compiler basically anywhere
16:18:41FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> and it will abstract features on it anyway
16:19:36FromDiscord<nervecenter> Right, I mentioned in my talk that Nim's compiler smooths out C's inconsistencies (all the platform checks done with the preprocessor, etc) within the compiler, so it's nicely under wraps.
16:20:05FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> what are the uses of nim outputing js
16:20:09FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> i dont see a use
16:20:18FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> oh
16:20:19FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> webapps
16:20:25FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> yeah
16:20:33FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> nevermind
16:20:38FromDiscord<nervecenter> I found a small use with a local-first single-page application, worked decently but wasn't the solution we needed
16:20:54FromDiscord<nervecenter> Distributing browser applications as a single html file is underrated
16:20:58FromDiscord<nervecenter> No actual server
16:21:08FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> In reply to @nervecenter "Distributing browser applications as": never thought of that
16:21:10FromDiscord<gesee37> In reply to @_timurski "I don't use rust": It's far from nim's level. In rust metaprogramming is local and can't access informations about types and implementations like nim
16:22:44FromDiscord<_timurski> ah I see
16:22:52FromDiscord<gesee37> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=JginxrTd
16:23:11FromDiscord<gesee37> Without annotations
16:23:33FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @determiedmech1 "*object*ively": yes, some types of software are not naturally modeled as being focused around individual objects
16:23:52FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> object-ively
16:23:55FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> object
16:23:58FromDiscord<_timurski> oh
16:24:00FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> lol
16:24:02FromDiscord<_timurski> funjy
16:24:15FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @gesee37 "So you see things": inch resting
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16:27:19FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> In reply to @_timurski "inch resting": your bio doesnt have a timezone
16:27:43FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @abdulrahman.103 "your bio doesnt have": it uses discord time format so it automatically displays correctly for every time zone
16:27:56FromDiscord<_timurski> the times you see are the correct for your timezone
16:28:01FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> 5:30 to 11:00
16:28:07FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> pm, am
16:28:12FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> 👍
16:28:39FromDiscord<_timurski> I'm actually abroad rn so it's not accurate
16:28:56FromDiscord<_timurski> but whatever
16:29:36FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> ive never abroad but one time i was near the borders and the timezone got moved by a few minutes idk how is that even possible
16:29:46FromDiscord<_timurski> interesting
16:29:48FromDiscord<_timurski> very specific
16:55:33FromDiscord<tempestro> wait, what does Nim use to compile C/C++ code on Windows?
16:56:09FromDiscord<tempestro> I haven't touched Windows in a long while, can you just call MSVC in shell like you can GCC?
16:59:24FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> it just uses msvc afaik
17:01:25FromDiscord<tempestro> I'm trying to figure out if there is some fool-proof way to detect what libraries are installed at compile-time
17:02:17FromDiscord<tempestro> Unless you can do some nasty trickery with FFI imports, I think the only option is to shell out and try to compile some C code that #includes the library
17:04:49FromDiscord<demotomohiro> iirc, Nim uses gcc on Windows in default.↵You can choose other C compiler with `--cc:clang` or `--cc:vcc` compiler option.
17:09:15Amun-Ratempestro: technically doable via "compiles"
17:09:40Amun-Raor just use pkg-config
17:12:19FromDiscord<0ffh> In reply to @tvoyglaza "umm.. so it's better": Yes.
17:12:20Amun-RaI mean via staticexec
17:18:37FromDiscord<a_guy_a> In reply to @abdulrahman.103 "You want google to": yup... isn't that the premise? lol
17:19:15FromDiscord<a_guy_a> even I stated it's not that...
17:19:24FromDiscord<a_guy_a> haha
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17:24:20Amun-Ratempestro: the problem with this approach is the library that exists during the build may not exist during the run
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17:24:53FromDiscord<tempestro> this is for running tests only
17:30:47FromDiscord<gesee37> In reply to @demotomohiro "iirc, Nim uses gcc": GCC is a bit buggy on windows so I wouldn't recommend it
17:31:27FromDiscord<gesee37> As windows allows unicode characters in folder/file name
17:32:22FromDiscord<gesee37> GCC's linker fail to understand and interpret them as 2 UTF-8 caracter
17:32:42FromDiscord<gesee37> And then tells you there is no such files
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18:10:05FromDiscord<nervecenter> In reply to @gesee37 "GCC is a bit": MinGW's GCC works fine
18:10:22FromDiscord<nervecenter> I've built Nim projects and entire Godot engine templates with it
18:11:03FromDiscord<gesee37> In reply to @gesee37 "GCC's linker fail to": Just buggy in this sense afaik
18:11:53FromDiscord<gesee37> And I can't solve it because there is an unicode character in my root folder -_-
18:30:17FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> In reply to @demotomohiro "iirc, Nim uses gcc": if i already use visual studio do you recommend switching to gnu or clang?
18:32:12FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> i have wsl fedora with gcc
18:32:26FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> i just remembered that
18:33:28FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> why are realtek wifi cards so bad on linux
18:33:37FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> i want to use linux but im forced to use microslop windows
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18:56:50FromDiscord<emiliajssl> In reply to @abdulrahman.103 "if i already use": Clang
19:24:26Amun-RaI never used msvc/gcc on windows; I always cross compile on linux
19:26:05FromDiscord<a_guy_a> @noynamess what is `=` you mentioned
19:26:13FromDiscord<a_guy_a> you can also use a tool that will make nim use tabs / 4 idents
19:26:25FromDiscord<a_guy_a> the same goes famously for curly brackets `{}` instead of `:` like python that nim has now
19:27:16FromDiscord<a_guy_a> if u r looking for a cool fun project, that might be one for you !
19:27:26FromDiscord<noynamess> In reply to @a_guy_a "<@1515220361078374432> what is `=`": Regarding functions—it seems Nim is a bit particular; for instance, it doesn't support LSP out of the box in Pacman (at least in my experience), so you have to download it via curl and install the LSP separately.
19:27:48FromDiscord<a_guy_a> yea but that's basic dev stuff
19:27:52FromDiscord<a_guy_a> im not sure why that puts you off
19:28:06FromDiscord<a_guy_a> its like 2 commands to setup the LSP
19:28:39FromDiscord<a_guy_a> n if it does setup claude code or more preferabley chatgpt codex
19:28:46FromDiscord<a_guy_a> and jsut tell it what u want it to setup and itll run the commands !
19:29:07FromDiscord<noynamess> Okay, I'll think about it and take a look at Nim—I'll let you know if anything comes up. The language itself seems decent; I tried learning Zig and Rust, but they just didn't click with me at all.
19:29:30FromDiscord<a_guy_a> im no low level programmer
19:29:35FromDiscord<a_guy_a> i find working wiht nim very easy
19:29:53FromDiscord<noynamess> In reply to @a_guy_a "im no low level": I am multi programmer )
19:30:06FromDiscord<noynamess> I usually write about various things.
19:30:08FromDiscord<a_guy_a> except when i found out the js backend code gen is outdated and forces you to write performance ref based code, damnit 👿
19:30:14FromDiscord<a_guy_a> (edit) "performance" => "performant"
19:30:41FromDiscord<a_guy_a> it wasnt using an ORC/ARC performance boost as far as i understand it
19:30:53FromDiscord<a_guy_a> (edit) "ORC/ARC" => ""ORC/ARC""
19:31:21FromDiscord<noynamess> I'm actually 15—turning 16 soon—and I've been into IT for about a year; I know Python and a bit of C/C++, but I'm sick of the nonsense that "speed equals suffering."
19:32:00FromDiscord<a_guy_a> why are u using chatgpt to type
19:32:32FromDiscord<a_guy_a> lol
19:32:47FromDiscord<noynamess> In reply to @a_guy_a "why are u using": Sometimes AI, but usually I write it myself.
19:32:58FromDiscord<a_guy_a> — is a dead gpt giveaway...
19:33:09FromDiscord<a_guy_a> ive almost never seen these used on the internet until the past few years when GPT uses them explicilt
19:33:11FromDiscord<a_guy_a> (edit) "explicilt" => "explicilty"
19:33:15FromDiscord<a_guy_a> (edit) "explicilty" => "explicitly"
19:33:22FromDiscord<noynamess> No, I usually use Gemini.
19:33:29FromDiscord<a_guy_a> oh my bad smart ass
19:33:42FromDiscord<a_guy_a> 🖕
19:33:52FromDiscord<noynamess> (
19:34:54FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=EIaQKpWl
19:34:59FromDiscord<a_guy_a> ah there ya go
19:35:03FromDiscord<noynamess> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=UOzgVtHf
19:35:08FromDiscord<a_guy_a> gemini could've helped you with that though
19:35:11FromDiscord<a_guy_a> maybe take the output it tells you
19:35:13FromDiscord<a_guy_a> and feed it back into gemini
19:35:14FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> what are you using for the lsp plugin
19:35:20FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> and what editor
19:35:29FromDiscord<noynamess> It kept saying the LSP couldn't be found, so I had to use curl.
19:35:34FromDiscord<noynamess> In reply to @determiedmech1 "and what editor": Zed
19:35:37FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> what is "it"
19:35:53FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @noynamess "Zed": ah
19:36:23FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> https://zed.dev/extensions/nim?
19:36:27FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> (edit) "https://zed.dev/extensions/nim?" => "https://zed.dev/extensions/nim ?"
19:36:55FromDiscord<noynamess> Well, it was reporting that it couldn't find the LSP.
19:37:08FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> looks like you need nimlangserver
19:37:17FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @noynamess "Well, it was reporting": did it have any other outout?
19:37:21FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> (edit) "outout?" => "output?"
19:37:22FromDiscord<noynamess> In reply to @determiedmech1 "looks like you need": I know
19:38:26FromDiscord<noynamess> In reply to @determiedmech1 "did it have any": I downloaded Nim a month ago; I've already forgotten what it said.
19:39:18FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @noynamess "I downloaded Nim a": im talking about the extension
19:39:43FromDiscord<noynamess> Like, "nimlangserver not found" or something like that.
19:40:53FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> and if you run `nimble list --installed | grep server` what happens
19:41:18FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> well actually thats assuming you use linux cause i have no idea if macos comes with grep
19:41:24FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> id imagine it does
19:41:35FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> i dont think windows does 🤔 0
19:41:35FromDiscord<noynamess> In reply to @determiedmech1 "and if you run": I don't know, I'm not at my PC right now.
19:41:38FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> ah ok
19:41:41FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> (edit) removed "0"
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20:03:47FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> In reply to @determiedmech1 "i dont think windows": windows doesnt have gnu tools
20:03:52FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> you can install them though
20:04:16FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> instead of powershell
20:04:35FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> ah
20:04:48FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> yeah im a linux user so 🤷‍♂️
20:04:52FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> cachyos
20:05:25FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> In reply to @determiedmech1 "yeah im a linux": i used to be
20:05:39FromDiscord<a_guy_a> WSL rocks
20:05:46FromDiscord<a_guy_a> best of both worlds !
20:05:48FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> but then the realtek driver decided to not work anymore
20:05:58FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> and wifi cards arent available in iraq
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20:06:25FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> no i wont use ethernet on a laptop just for linux
20:06:30FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> Lol fair
20:06:36FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> that sucks
20:06:47FromDiscord<Emmanuel M. Smith 🔸> I used them quite a bit before LLMs, I had to stop because people use them as LLM markers↵(@a_guy_a)
20:07:07FromDiscord<a_guy_a> no shit?
20:07:13FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> i filed 1 bug report to redhat and 1 to the kernel redhat ignored my and the kernel dev told me to bisect and that didnt work for some reason
20:07:15FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> git bisect
20:07:18FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @a_guy_a "WSL rocks": I used wsl but i found myself wanting a linuxy experience every time i interacted with windows
20:07:28FromDiscord<a_guy_a> In reply to @Emmanuel M. Smith 🔸 "I used them quite": i always reckoned its not a keyboard button... you gotta go looking right ?
20:07:30FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> (edit) "i filed 1 bug report to redhat and 1 to the kernel redhat ignored my ... and" added "report"
20:07:42FromDiscord<a_guy_a> or be one of those keyboard nerds with some hotkey ay ?
20:07:50FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> In reply to @determiedmech1 "I used wsl but": windows isnt bad if you customize it
20:07:57FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> i disabled automatic updates
20:08:08FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> and removed as much telemetry as i can
20:08:10FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> removed edge
20:08:15FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> removed ads
20:08:19FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> and now its clean
20:08:29FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> terminal is now wsl
20:08:36FromDiscord<a_guy_a> as per fireship i did the same with that utility those kids make now
20:08:57FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @abdulrahman.103 "windows isnt bad if": im sure it is
20:09:11FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> but linux is just easier for what i want to do with it 🤷‍♂️
20:09:12FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> its the most compatible operating system ever
20:09:19FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> and stable
20:09:22FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> kinda
20:09:23FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> kinda
20:09:27FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> hmm is your name arabic
20:09:31FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> yeah
20:09:47FromDiscord<a_guy_a> Aenglaeisch
20:09:57FromDiscord<a_guy_a> (edit)
20:10:05FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> the RTL font makes the name is typing... backwards lol
20:10:14FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> (edit) "name" => ""name" | "typing..." => "typing...""
20:11:25FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> Rtl on internet is not as bad as it was before
20:11:31FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1521609144967368896/Screenshot_20260630_151125_Discord.jpg?ex=6a457472&is=6a4422f2&hm=e9a69102e68e83cb34b63bee35f299ec2f68dd4fbb8c287b8d74010eba0ac8c0&
20:11:39FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> Arabic was unusable at the start
20:12:09FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> Now its supported on almost all known websites
20:12:20FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> There is a bug instagram that bothers me
20:13:02FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> In
20:13:06FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> Instagram
20:13:29FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> Idk why i forget to write words in the middle of my sentences in english
20:15:18FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> In videogames arabic is usually not supported
20:15:36FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> Because it needs a different ui
20:16:04FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> Not neccesarily they can just keep it left aligned or if its centered keep it centered
20:17:07FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> Japan was smart and made their typing system ltr
20:17:20FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> But we have too much arabic history to do that
20:18:11FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> And the letters are connected reversing them isnt possible
20:18:16FromDiscord<abdulrahman.103> ميمينيمبمبمبمبتبزبكيكثتلخلحىجىجقدثزةستؤهرهىحصكص
20:26:35Amun-Rajapan has two writing directions, but only ltr is used for non-paper related stuff