| 00:00:09 | gokr | You know, Riak/Dynamo style but using some novel techniques and sickeningly fast. Like... "Redis fast". |
| 00:00:26 | Varriount | :O |
| 00:01:14 | gokr | The nice thing (well lots of nice things) is that it has a fairly rich feature set - and is still fully "pull the plug on this node and its fine" capable. |
| 00:02:13 | gokr | One of the devs is a bit famous for his total annihilation of MongoDB in his writings. |
| 00:02:16 | Jehan_ | gokr: You can also define a proc `$`(cs: tuple[s: cstring, l: len]), then you can write $(cstr, len) |
| 00:02:43 | gokr | Woa. Nice! |
| 00:03:10 | gokr | Nim is... like a candy box of funky stuff. Just hoping it doesn't make code turn into... (shudder) Perl. |
| 00:03:49 | gokr | Mmm, but yeah, that is actually quite logical. |
| 00:04:14 | Araq | Perl is full of arbitrary rules. Nim's syntax is actually quite simple |
| 00:04:40 | Jehan_ | What Araq said. |
| 00:04:49 | Araq | but don't take my word for it, let's check the facts: |
| 00:05:02 | gokr | Emin on Mongo: http://hackingdistributed.com/2013/01/29/mongo-ft/ |
| 00:05:05 | Jehan_ | Mind you, there are quite a few corner cases w.r.t. metaprogramming, but that's difficult to avoid. |
| 00:05:32 | Araq | parsing perl requires some turing complete machinery |
| 00:05:43 | Jehan_ | Still, that's confined to definitions, the use sites are generally syntactically clean. |
| 00:05:50 | Araq | parsing Nim can be done without even a symbol table |
| 00:05:55 | gokr | Araq: So far I am coping fairly well - and then I am still a Smalltalker used to ... 5 keywords grammar :). Just a bit worried about macros still. |
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| 00:07:26 | gokr | I did some consulting at a fairly large successful company - and their big server product was written in Perl. Ouch. All used vim, no debuggers in site. I introduced Komodo with remote debugging and they went "Oh! That's quite useful." No shit Sherlock. |
| 00:08:33 | Varriount | Hm. Komodo is yet another editor we have yet to make a plugin for... |
| 00:08:36 | gokr | Araq: I agree that so far I am coping. Got spooked by your ";" separating params there, but ok. I did eventually find some news release saying that it was now ok :) |
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| 00:10:24 | Jehan_ | Perl is used in a surprising number of places still. Booking.com, duckduckgo.com, ... |
| 00:10:29 | Araq | yeah you know ... I don't sit here all day long and dream up features to bloat the language |
| 00:10:44 | gokr | No? :) |
| 00:10:52 | Jehan_ | Others do that for him. :) |
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| 00:11:07 | gokr | Its an easy trap. |
| 00:11:29 | Araq | yes. other people request features |
| 00:11:29 | Jehan_ | Well, any language designer needs to learn to say "no", early and often. :) |
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| 00:12:34 | Araq | yeah ... I should have said "no" for standalone except and finally |
| 00:12:46 | Varriount | Araq: Can we have language-level unicorns? |
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| 00:13:21 | Araq | now they are in the language and people like them but also get burned by them |
| 00:14:21 | gokr | I think... the problem arises when features creep into libraries and suddenly people need to understand the features - in order to use the library etc. |
| 00:14:29 | Araq | gokr: already read the article. it's mostly wrong |
| 00:14:46 | gokr | The argument that - hey, its a feature - just don't use it, doesn't work then. |
| 00:15:00 | Araq | "So, here's the $1 billion dollar question: what does it mean when MongoDB says that a write (aka insert) is complete?" |
| 00:15:55 | Araq | well I was aware of that feature, wanted exactly that feature, used MongoDB for a big amount of data and succeeded |
| 00:16:48 | Araq | cause in reality the alternative is that you re-implement bulk inserts on your own every time you need performance |
| 00:19:12 | Araq | gokr: people always need to understand *something* in order to use a library |
| 00:19:45 | Araq | and macros are not necessarily the hardest part |
| 00:19:46 | gokr | I agree, I just mean - every feature added is one step closer to ... C++ :) |
| 00:21:33 | Araq | IMHO C++'s problem is not its complexity. it's the fact that it is *memory unsafe* and complex. |
| 00:22:12 | Araq | C# is memory safe and complex. but also thanks to its tooling nobody ever notices. |
| 00:22:35 | Demos_ | not only is c++ memory unsafe, it is also totally impossible to have any kind of tooling for it |
| 00:22:36 | gokr | Mmmm, well. No offense - but anyone claiming C++ doesn't have a problem with being complex.... ehrm. |
| 00:23:32 | gokr | Let's say we have different views on what a problem is then ;) |
| 00:23:33 | Demos_ | every feature in C++ is implemented in a sane way (aside from misfeatures that nobody uses like throws() and stuff). |
| 00:23:47 | Demos_ | some of them are of questionable use, like c++' |
| 00:23:50 | Demos_ | s iterators |
| 00:25:16 | Jehan_ | Well, there's complexity and there's complexity. C++'s complexity is sort of the "principle of the biggest surprise". |
| 00:25:36 | Jehan_ | As exemplified by the 10-year C++ vet exclaiming: "I had no idea that worked this way." |
| 00:26:30 | Demos_ | yeah, surprise then realizing why things work the way they do, trying to have all the implicit conversions C has, and tacking on array-like semantics with references, and having CV-qualifiers causes a lot of trouble |
| 00:27:43 | Araq | c++'s major problem is also c's major problem: almost every basic operation is full of undefined behaviour edge cases. |
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| 00:43:45 | Demos_ | for all its problems c++ is one of a very few options if you want to write code that is rather fast and have access to abstraction ability and libraries |
| 00:44:14 | * | Demos_ should learn free pascal |
| 00:50:11 | Jehan_ | Demos: The "fast" stuff is arguable. |
| 00:50:38 | Jehan_ | Both C and C++ excel at making inner loops over contiguous areas of memory fast. |
| 00:51:35 | Jehan_ | But for complex systems, speed becomes difficult to evaluate. |
| 00:52:12 | Jehan_ | Especially on modern processors. |
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| 01:05:44 | Lorxu | Hi |
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| 01:07:10 | Araq | hi Lorxu |
| 01:07:28 | Lorxu | Hi Araq |
| 01:10:34 | Varriount | Araq: The Nimrod binary - it should have the .git directories erased, correct? |
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| 01:13:28 | Araq | well yes |
| 01:13:34 | Araq | not exactly "erased" |
| 01:13:39 | Araq | simply not copied over |
| 01:13:51 | Varriount | Araq: What kind of archive format should the binary be in? |
| 01:14:41 | Araq | for windows: in none anymore |
| 01:14:54 | Araq | we have a general .zip source based installation |
| 01:15:13 | Araq | and some install-32.exe and install-64.exe |
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| 01:15:24 | Varriount | Well then, zip is the archive format. |
| 01:16:36 | Varriount | Araq: What about the debug version of the compiler? Did you include that in the 32 bit binary? |
| 01:16:50 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 55d8e71 Araq [+0 ±3 -0]: niminst supports NSIS |
| 01:16:50 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel bd54c44 Araq [+0 ±2 -0]: improvements for niminst |
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| 01:18:18 | Araq | http://nim-lang.org/download/nimrod_0.9.6.exe |
| 01:18:30 | Araq | try it out please |
| 01:18:58 | Araq | Varriount: modify compiler/nimrod.ini to include a debug exe for the installer |
| 01:19:18 | Araq | I need to sleep now. see you tomorrow |
| 01:19:26 | Varriount | Goodnight |
| 01:19:43 | Araq | oh |
| 01:19:58 | Araq | to build it you need to install NSIS and some plugin |
| 01:20:58 | Araq | http://nsis.sourceforge.net/ZipDLL_plug-in |
| 01:21:08 | Araq | bye |
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| 01:22:57 | Varriount | Araq: I'll generate/modify stuff tomorrow afternoon. I have to get to bed early (math exam) |
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| 01:28:07 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 4accf42 Araq [+1 ±0 -0]: added missing template file |
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| 01:31:19 | gokr | http://goran.krampe.se/2014/10/16/nim-wrapping-c/ |
| 01:31:28 | gokr | Ok, time to sleep fast. :) |
| 01:31:30 | gokr | gnite |
| 01:34:06 | Jehan_ | gokr: babel install c2nim should work. |
| 01:34:50 | gokr | Ok, write any comments here and I will fix article tomorrow. |
| 01:35:55 | Demos_ | I thought babel changed its name |
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| 02:04:00 | Jehan_ | Demos_: Yeah, but you have to download the newest version, I think. |
| 02:05:59 | Demos_ | hm I just found this language called XL2 during a wikipedia dive, reminds me of Nimrod |
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| 02:29:29 | Demos_ | it actually may be more powerful in general than nimrod. The translation thing looks pretty nifty |
| 02:29:44 | Demos_ | and the syntax is really quite similar |
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| 03:32:54 | superfunc | Heya everyone |
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| 04:12:39 | Varriount | Araq: Regarding the 1.0 release, as long as we're in the breaking backward compatibility mood, why not change appType, hostCPU, and similar system variables to enums? |
| 04:15:41 | Varriount | Araq: Do objects have run-time type information? |
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| 06:09:24 | fowl | gokr, the spartan install method is to symlink nimrod into your $PATH, no modifications needed |
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| 09:04:20 | gokr | dom96: Nimble install is failing for me, Error: invalid command line option: '--noNimblePath' |
| 09:16:02 | gokr | But rev 7d18e2be1cdd4043f61918eae4a9877a90a296a4 works fine, named as babel though. |
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| 09:26:11 | Araq | gokr: seems to require bigbreak |
| 09:26:26 | gokr | Yeah. |
| 09:26:55 | Araq | it's easy to fix |
| 09:27:58 | gokr | Sure, just wanted my instructions to work in my article. The "install babel" suddenly didn't work. |
| 09:38:15 | gokr | Araq: Ooo, dot operator. Kinda like DNU, right? Good for proxies etc? |
| 09:38:45 | Araq | yeah |
| 09:39:24 | gokr | That was one on my check list :) |
| 09:47:48 | Araq | btw nim's OO features are not finished. for version 2 I'd like to support component systems better. |
| 09:48:10 | Araq | How to do that however, is totally unclear to me. ;-) |
| 09:48:44 | Araq | there are a couple of macro based solutions already |
| 09:49:41 | gokr | Yeah, I am reading up a bit on them. |
| 09:50:03 | gokr | I presume you looked at go? |
| 09:50:55 | gokr | IIRC it uses delegation techniques. And oh, I love the "type classes" stuff that I read a short article on. |
| 09:52:05 | gokr | (in Nim I mean) |
| 09:52:30 | Araq | yeah zahary is the main dev for type classes |
| 10:05:07 | gokr | I stumbled upon a funny feature btw. |
| 10:05:37 | gokr | So I ran pretty on my test.nim - which uses my wrapper. It suggested to rename things like attrs_sz to attrsSz etc, so I did. |
| 10:05:59 | gokr | Then I compared my hand edited test.nim to the one that pretty spit out. |
| 10:06:15 | gokr | (and my hand edited compiled and run fine) |
| 10:06:36 | gokr | But then I noted one place I had renamed - but nimrod pretty had not. |
| 10:07:31 | gokr | And I had renamed an access to an object from the wrapper (which of course was named attrs_sz and not attrsSz) - but the case insensitivity made my rename compile just fine :) |
| 10:08:09 | Araq | well "nimrod pretty" has been replaced with "nimfix" on bigbreak |
| 10:08:21 | gokr | ok |
| 10:08:36 | Araq | which doesn't do the same ... |
| 10:08:51 | Araq | and also sometimes fails |
| 10:08:55 | Araq | :-/ |
| 10:11:16 | Araq | but at least I know why |
| 10:13:56 | Araq | bbl |
| 10:15:17 | gokr | sure |
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| 13:40:51 | dom96_ | hello Araq |
| 13:41:09 | dom96_ | Will you be around this weekend? |
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| 15:46:56 | Araq | hi sau-man welcome |
| 15:47:15 | sau-man | thanks Araq |
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| 15:47:45 | sau-man | just hanging by because i heard good words about nimrod channel |
| 15:48:19 | sau-man | i'll go through nimrod website to learn more |
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| 16:19:53 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 56f1f3d Araq [+0 ±2 -0]: more improvements for the NSIS installer |
| 16:20:12 | Araq | Varriount: invoke it via: |
| 16:20:58 | Araq | tools\niminst\niminst nsis --var:version=0.9.6 --var:mingw=mingw32 compiler\nimrod.ini |
| 16:22:43 | Araq | guys, I've uploaded a new 0.9.6 installer |
| 16:23:05 | Araq | http://nim-lang.org/download/nimrod_0.9.6.exe |
| 16:23:15 | Araq | please test it |
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| 16:28:41 | superfun1 | sup dom, hows it going? |
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| 16:37:03 | dom96_ | superfun1: good good |
| 16:38:32 | dom96_ | superfun1: how's you? |
| 16:40:25 | superfun1 | pretty good, just adjusting to grad school has been very busy |
| 16:43:14 | dom96_ | ahh. I've just started uni, adjusting to that too. |
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| 16:47:21 | superfun1 | what classes are you taking? |
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| 17:03:19 | dom96_ | superfun1: Didn't have any choice unfortunately. Was pre-enrolled for Computer Architecture, Intro to the Science of Computing, and Fundamentals of Programming. |
| 17:10:58 | sau-man | i just got into grad school too |
| 17:27:27 | dom96_ | superfun1: sau-man: what are you guys studying? |
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| 17:36:32 | superfun1 | I'm working on embedded DSLs in haskell right now |
| 17:37:00 | NimBot | nimrod-code/nimforum new_async 630831f Dominik Picheta [+1 ±1 -0]: Fixed caching. |
| 17:37:13 | dom96_ | superfun1: cool |
| 17:37:14 | superfun1 | for classes, I'm taking type systems and model checking |
| 17:37:24 | superfun1 | so mostly a lot of PL theory stuff |
| 17:38:19 | dom96_ | I would love to do that. I mostly have to spend time being taught what I already know unfortunately. |
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| 17:39:17 | NimBot | nimrod-code/nimforum new_async e520df8 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Remove debug code. |
| 17:41:06 | superfun1 | do they allow you to test out of courses? |
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| 17:55:02 | dom96_ | superfun1: i don't think so |
| 17:56:22 | Araq | hi dom96_ |
| 17:56:33 | dom96_ | hi |
| 17:57:24 | superfun1 | hey Araq |
| 17:57:53 | Araq | nobody wants to test my awesome new installer ... :-( |
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| 18:01:11 | superfun1 | for what OS? |
| 18:06:45 | Araq | windows |
| 18:07:42 | Jehan_ | Well, that's a problem ... |
| 18:13:37 | Araq | ah my return key stopped working |
| 18:15:23 | superfun1 | oh, wish I could help |
| 18:15:37 | superfun1 | I didn't bring any of my windows PCs with me when I moved |
| 18:16:53 | dom96_ | Araq: Not on Windows currently. |
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| 18:20:30 | dom96_ | I'll try to remote into my desktop. |
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| 18:24:04 | Araq | ugh |
| 18:24:12 | dom96_ | Araq: Why is Aporia so huge? |
| 18:24:22 | dom96_ | I got an "Error connecting to host" |
| 18:24:25 | Araq | which distro is the one where everything just works? |
| 18:24:42 | Araq | dom96_: because it's shipped with GTK+ |
| 18:25:21 | Araq | maybe I can reduce it further |
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| 18:28:10 | dom96_ | Araq: That doesn't sound right. |
| 18:28:10 | dom96_ | But maybe I am remembering wrong. |
| 18:28:10 | dom96_ | But yeah, during the mingw installation it gave an error |
| 18:28:41 | Araq | no you're right, I remember it taking less space too |
| 18:28:51 | Araq | but I think it's due to an updated version |
| 18:30:44 | dom96_ | Araq: Chrome OS |
| 18:30:58 | Araq | are you serious? |
| 18:31:00 | dom96_ | Impressive just how much better it works than Ubuntu. |
| 18:31:21 | dom96_ | Yeah, but it's likely because they ensure it works on the hardware they install it on. |
| 18:32:09 | Araq | well that doesn't help me |
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| 18:33:59 | Araq | well I have to use what flaviu uses anyway |
| 18:34:13 | Araq | so I can blame him when something does not work |
| 18:34:31 | Araq | what does flaviu use? |
| 18:39:46 | dom96_ | arch I think |
| 18:56:06 | superfun1 | dom96_: iterators can be defined over parameterized types, yes? |
| 18:57:06 | superfun1 | nvm, I was derping. haven't written much code in a while |
| 18:59:21 | dom96_ | superfun1: good question. |
| 18:59:21 | dom96_ | superfun1: seems like they can |
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| 19:02:52 | superfun1 | yeah, I just had the export(*) symbol in the wrong place |
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| 19:10:18 | superfun1 | If I were to have a type which contains a member which is an object variant, how could I pass the parameterization through to the variant? |
| 19:11:10 | superfun1 | eg. lets say I have some type Foo[T] = object \n thing: Maybe[T] |
| 19:11:33 | superfun1 | Where thing needs to know if it is "valid" or not |
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| 19:52:26 | superfun1 | did the => identifier get removed? |
| 19:54:21 | superfun1 | nvm, in future module |
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| 19:55:35 | wan | Araq: when I launch nimrod_0.9.6.exe, my explorer window freeze |
| 19:55:54 | Araq | er ... what? |
| 19:56:02 | wan | I'll try from a command prompt |
| 19:56:25 | wan | I'm on Win8.1 right now (not usually. Usually, I'm on ArchLinux) |
| 19:57:35 | wan | Wait, that was because 'Windows protected your PC' prompt was on my other screen |
| 19:58:00 | wan | 'Windows SmartScreen prevented an unrecognized app from starting" |
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| 19:58:49 | wan | Is there a way to sign stuff to avoid this message? (click on 'more info' + run anyway does the trick) |
| 20:01:29 | wan | Is 'UserDir/AppData/Local/Nimrod' the best path? Shouldn't it be in Program Files ? (I'm not sure what Windows conventions are anymore) |
| 20:06:28 | wan | Aporia/Tools/Compile this file -> Unable to find nimrod executable, please select it to continue. Is it possible to pre-select it? |
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| 20:09:47 | wan_win | Compiling examples/allany.nim from Aporia: fail http://pastebin.com/G3mBNL68 |
| 20:11:59 | wan_win | I'm not really a programmer on windows. Is there something to do to add gcc to the path? It would be a good idea for the installer to either set it for Aporia, or tell how to set it. |
| 20:12:05 | gokr | Araq: Aporia works just fine for me on Ubuntu 14.04 |
| 20:12:17 | wan_win | (I ran a full install, everything checked) |
| 20:15:39 | wan_win | I see that my PATH is already filled with npm, because I installed it from node's installer. Nim's installer should also add the downloaded gcc to the PATH, in my opinion. |
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| 20:19:12 | wan_win | That did it (adding ";C:\Users\Wan\AppData\Local\Nimrod\dist\mingw\bin\" to the PATH made Aporia able to compile). It would be good for it to be done automatically, if possible. |
| 20:20:11 | Araq | wan_win: the installer comes with a .bat file that sets the path |
| 20:23:12 | wan_win | Ah, I see it in C:\Users\Wan\AppData\Local\Nimrod\. It would still be a good idea to set it globally, so that Aporia (started from the start menu shortcut) could have the path set automatically. |
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| 20:24:36 | wan_win | Other than this small issue, it's a pretty neat installer. I really like the fact that I can choose what to install. Download speeds and unzipping is fast, too. |
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| 20:30:00 | Araq | good |
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| 21:28:15 | superfunc | Araq: have type classes changed much recently? |
| 21:28:24 | Araq | no |
| 21:28:34 | superfunc | Ok |
| 21:29:00 | Araq | they are still not stable at all |
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| 21:53:38 | Mat3 | hi all |
| 21:54:55 | superfunc_ | sup |
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| 22:34:41 | Varriount | Blargh blargh |
| 22:35:01 | Varriount | Araq: The installer needs a 32 and 64 bit selection. |
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| 22:38:31 | Araq | Varriount: no, my plan is to provide 2 installers |
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| 22:38:57 | Araq | hey flaviu. I'm burning Arch. are you afraid? ;-) |
| 22:39:50 | Varriount | Araq: Just so you know, arch is pretty bare bones. It requires (some) installation of packages to get a GUI going. |
| 22:40:03 | flaviu | Araq: Yep, that'll be your main obsticle |
| 22:40:14 | flaviu | You might want to connect with ethernet temporarly |
| 22:41:09 | Araq | well my linux mint is now unusable enough that I cannot test the 0.9.6 release on it |
| 22:41:23 | flaviu | Araq: Maybe also use btrfs? |
| 22:43:09 | flaviu | Main advantage is snapshots |
| 22:44:51 | Varriount | flaviu: Doesn't that take up a lot of ram? Or is that ZFS? |
| 22:45:12 | Onionhammer | is the {.compile.} pragma broken? |
| 22:45:18 | superfunc_ | zfs I think |
| 22:45:30 | superfunc_ | btrfs is copy-on-write so it should be less in theory |
| 22:45:36 | flaviu | Varriount: Not as far as I can tell. Nothing unexpected is using my ram. |
| 22:45:47 | Araq | Onionhammer: no. are you on bigbreak? |
| 22:49:25 | Onionhammer | nevermind, it was a cpp error.. though it wasnt giving me the cpp error w/ parallelbuild on |
| 22:49:36 | Onionhammer | yes i am on bigbreak |
| 22:49:52 | Araq | ok |
| 22:51:09 | Araq | Varriount: I made the installer not require admin rights. however the result is a bit ugly |
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| 22:51:39 | Varriount | Araq: Howso? |
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| 22:52:07 | Araq | Varriount: the default install location is confusing for most people |
| 22:52:28 | Varriount | Oh, you mean the root directory? |
| 22:54:02 | Araq | yes |
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| 22:54:17 | Araq | flaviu: does it support deduplication? |
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| 22:55:26 | flaviu | According to the wiki, yes |
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| 23:07:21 | Araq | Varriount: well is that installer good enough? |
| 23:07:47 | Varriount | Araq: The little thing that says 'hover over for a more detailed description' doesn't work. |
| 23:08:18 | Araq | well yes. there is no description |
| 23:08:34 | Araq | I don't think a description is necessary |
| 23:09:05 | Varriount | Don't you want 'polish'? |
| 23:13:14 | Araq | was enough work to get it to that point |
| 23:15:53 | Varriount | Araq: Anyway, while you *could* have the nimrod compiler be installed in Program Files, you would likely have to have the library in Program Data, which would leave it split across two directories. |
| 23:16:46 | Araq | nah, why would I? |
| 23:17:05 | Araq | the stdlib is tied to the compiler anyway |
| 23:18:21 | Varriount | Sigh, I wish github did more than host git repositories. |
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| 23:27:37 | Araq | ah so arch's live CD doesn't even come with a UI at all ... |
| 23:27:48 | Varriount | Araq: I told you so. |
| 23:27:56 | Araq | didn't believe it |
| 23:28:10 | Araq | what is this? the 20th century? |
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| 23:28:23 | Araq | and why does it take over 600MB then? |
| 23:28:35 | Varriount | Araq: Don't worry, it's not hard to get X Windows installed. |
| 23:29:06 | Araq | Varriount: can I do this while I still haven't installed it? |
| 23:29:21 | Varriount | Araq: There should be a package selection part of the installer |
| 23:29:35 | Araq | the purpose of a linux live CD is that you can check whether it works with your hardware ... |
| 23:29:44 | Araq | before you install it |
| 23:30:05 | Varriount | Araq: Well, I think you can install x-windows on the live cd. |
| 23:30:16 | Varriount | Er, I mean, while running the live cd |
| 23:33:18 | Varriount | Araq: By the way, do you know about the batch script dom96 had me write up?\ |
| 23:33:41 | Varriount | I think I posted a link to it yesterday. It bootstraps nimrod for you. |
| 23:34:09 | Araq | yeah, didn't get what it is about |
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| 23:35:45 | EXetoC | 21st century minimalism. yet another distro |
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| 23:36:39 | EXetoC | there are variations that come with window managers |
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| 23:37:53 | Araq | minimalism is fine, but in no way can 600MB be considered minimal for an OS without anything |
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| 23:38:12 | Varriount | Araq: There are packages on the cd silly, they just aren't installed. |
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| 23:38:30 | Varriount | In case you happen to want to install on a computer with no internet connection. |
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| 23:39:01 | Varriount | Araq: Anyway, listen to this while trying to install Arch, it might cheer you up - http://grooveshark.com/s/My+Hair+Had+A+Party+Last+Night/1TSutg?src=5 |
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| 23:39:40 | Araq | lol doesn't work for me |
| 23:39:53 | Araq | Grooveshark doesn't work in Germany anymore, lol |
| 23:39:59 | Varriount | Aw.. |
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| 23:40:10 | Araq | let's see if a proxy works |
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| 23:40:23 | Varriount | tillzy: Fix your connection ple- |
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| 23:48:05 | Onionhammer | dear lordy lord tillzy |
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| 23:54:15 | Varriount | tillzy: Fix your connection please |
| 23:57:26 | EXetoC | he was offline when you said that |
| 23:57:49 | Varriount | EXetoC: So? Maybe he heard me. |
| 23:58:03 | Varriount | Since his connection seems to exist in a state of quantum flux |
| 23:59:30 | EXetoC | oh ok |