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| 00:11:21 | superfun[c] | fowl: just curious, why did you implement a vtable for your entity system? |
| 00:13:45 | fowl | superfun[c], each component can have messages (methods) attached to them, the type info is a combination of components, so it has a vtable that is the aggregation of the components' messages |
| 00:15:43 | fowl | also for unicast messages, which can only be fulfilled by one component at a time, when you create a new type info it has to figure out which unicast message to keep |
| 00:20:12 | superfun[c] | makes sense |
| 00:20:26 | superfun[c] | I just saw vtable and it popped out at me(too much c++) |
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| 00:24:08 | fowl | https://bitbucket.org/fowlmouth/entoody |
| 00:25:12 | fowl | that is a rewrite of entitty |
| 00:27:36 | Varriount | fowl: Cool! |
| 00:28:03 | superfun[c] | I actually started messing around with implementing some monads in nim the other day, I thought your implementation of maybe_t was interesting |
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| 00:35:14 | EXetoC | fowl: is entitty a pun? |
| 00:42:11 | dom96_ | Araq: yes |
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| 01:00:22 | superfunc_ | internet so bad |
| 01:02:56 | fowl | EXetoC, yes >_> |
| 01:03:06 | EXetoC | huehue |
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| 01:10:26 | FreezerburnV | Hm, I’m having a little trouble with a template. Can someone take a look at https://gist.github.com/Freezerburn/2bc79571eac1b0701fcc and let me know why the log template causes the error shown in the gist? |
| 01:19:03 | EXetoC | can logChan be invoked without the parens? I'd think not |
| 01:19:36 | FreezerburnV | I don’t know. It’s just a TChannel |
| 01:21:32 | EXetoC | it is, if you manage to call it. I don't know if it can be called that way |
| 01:21:46 | EXetoC | call/evaluate the template |
| 01:21:54 | fowl | FreezerburnV, does it work if you replace logchan with channels[2][] in log()? |
| 01:22:04 | fowl | EXetoC, it can |
| 01:22:38 | FreezerburnV | fowl: Nope. It just moves the error over to column 30 |
| 01:22:39 | fowl | FreezerburnV, ah, the problem is your msg parameter in template |
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| 01:23:09 | EXetoC | right, for the sake of all kinds of magic |
| 01:23:23 | fowl | FreezerburnV, the code that is resulting is message("error message": "error message"), because it is replacing the key "msg" with the code you sent to the function |
| 01:23:41 | FreezerburnV | Oooh |
| 01:24:30 | FreezerburnV | fowl: Changing it to msgStr works. Thanks! |
| 01:26:25 | fowl | when a template fails to instantiate because of syntax the attempted syntax should be printed out |
| 01:26:55 | fowl | in a perfect world maybe |
| 01:27:08 | FreezerburnV | That would be nice |
| 01:29:58 | fowl | EXetoC, do you know if semistatic[t] was renamed? |
| 01:30:05 | superfunc_ | did we still need a yaml parser? I remember it being on the summer of code idea list. I made one in haskell last week, and translating should be easy |
| 01:32:03 | fowl | semistatic was removed.. but why |
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| 01:35:58 | EXetoC | I dunno |
| 01:36:34 | fowl | its the lamest bugfix i've ever seen https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/issues/1472 |
| 01:39:17 | superfunc_ | lol ^ |
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| 02:55:44 | superfunc_ | dom96_: bigbreak assumes the user will be using nimble, and not babel correct? |
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| 02:58:13 | dom96_ | superfunc_: yes |
| 02:58:58 | superfunc_ | ok, I'll throw up a PR for a fix to nim.cfg then |
| 02:59:07 | superfunc_ | its currently looking under .babel for includes |
| 03:01:48 | dom96_ | yeah, thanks. |
| 03:03:39 | superfunc_ | np dude |
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| 03:05:17 | dom96_ | superfunc_: Just fixed #61, please test it. |
| 03:05:35 | superfunc_ | one sec |
| 03:10:24 | superfunc_ | it seems to fix it, I'll grab my old babel copy later and make sure |
| 03:12:27 | dom96_ | superfunc_: cool |
| 03:12:46 | superfunc_ | is there any reason urlDecode was renamed to decodeUrl in jester? |
| 03:16:16 | superfunc_ | err, in stdlib |
| 03:16:28 | superfunc_ | I meant the error came about from jester |
| 03:18:42 | dom96_ | dunno |
| 03:18:53 | dom96_ | concise with conventions perhaps |
| 03:18:58 | dom96_ | good night |
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| 03:20:11 | superfunc_ | I can go through and make jester bigbreak compliant tomorrow if you'd like |
| 03:23:47 | superfunc_ | is there any reason urlDecode was renamed to decodeUrl in jester? |
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| 03:46:15 | fowl | it seems the rules for accessing compile-time values between modules has changed |
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| 04:26:57 | Varriount | fowl: Howso? |
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| 04:43:49 | fowl | Varriount, see #1581 |
| 04:53:36 | reactormonk | wow, already at 1.5k. How long ago was #1k? |
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| 05:54:13 | bitcrusher | is this the official irc channel? are we going to move to #nim? |
| 05:55:50 | Triplefox | we have a #nimlang that people are in but not really using yet |
| 05:56:58 | bitcrusher | iono i actually prefer nimrod :) |
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| 06:25:26 | bitcrusher | !seen dom96 |
| 06:25:26 | NimBot | dom96 was last seen on Fri Oct 17 19:26:44 2014 joining #nimrod |
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| 06:35:48 | gokr_ | topic is outdated :) |
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| 08:57:33 | superfunc_ | on the notion of making the naming consistent in the stdlib, do we want to get rid of underscores in function names, like epoll_create in lib/posix/epoll |
| 08:58:12 | superfunc_ | the fact that its in the epoll module makes it clear as is, so it could be just create(), and from the callers perspective epoll.create() |
| 09:03:00 | superfunc_ | The only issue with that is, if there is no name clash, you can use it without the module qualification |
| 09:21:13 | Trustable | Who can update http://nimrod-lang.org/news.xml ? |
| 09:32:12 | superfunc_ | Either Araq or Filwit, I'd guess |
| 09:49:43 | dom96_ | superfunc_: jester new-async is already bigbreak compliant |
| 09:50:05 | dom96_ | I guess we'll move to #nim once 0.10.0 is released. |
| 09:51:13 | superfunc_ | right on |
| 09:52:19 | superfunc_ | anyone else having trouble cloning from github atm? |
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| 10:32:31 | xyproto | Hi, when compiling the latest version of Nim, I get strtabs.nim(147) raiseFormat Exception and "Error: unhandled exception: format string: key not found: mingw [EInvalidValue]" |
| 10:32:45 | xyproto | Is this a common issue? I'm trying to package it for Arch Linux. |
| 10:34:14 | xyproto | using the v0.9.6 tag from the git repo |
| 10:39:04 | superfunc | Hmm, why is it referring to mingw when building under linux |
| 10:39:45 | xyproto | superfunc: that's what baffled me as well |
| 10:39:50 | superfunc | Which version of csources did you check out? |
| 10:40:11 | xyproto | I'll paste the full PKGBUILD, 2 sec |
| 10:41:15 | xyproto | superfunc: http://ix.io/eQp |
| 10:42:04 | xyproto | the error happens somewhere after ./tools/niminst/niminst --var:version=0.9.5 scripts compiler/nimrod.ini |
| 10:42:14 | xyproto | not sure where version=0.9.5 comes from either |
| 10:43:42 | superfunc | 0.9.5 was a development version, all the odd numbers are |
| 10:44:00 | xyproto | ok. But the v0.9.6 tag is checked out |
| 10:44:33 | superfunc | Have you tried going in Nimrod and checking out csources manually? |
| 10:45:02 | superfunc | Then run build.sh in csources |
| 10:45:26 | xyproto | superfunc: pretty sure that's not the problem, but will try |
| 10:46:36 | superfunc | dom96_: ping |
| 10:47:57 | dom96_ | superfunc: sup? |
| 10:48:37 | superfunc | You might know why this dudes build is failing^^ |
| 10:48:49 | superfunc | http://ix.io/eQp |
| 10:49:21 | xyproto | "./koch boot -d:release" works fine |
| 10:50:13 | superfunc | Cool |
| 10:52:21 | dom96_ | is nimrtl the problem? |
| 10:54:06 | xyproto | not sure |
| 10:54:11 | xyproto | it's ./koch install that failes here |
| 10:54:16 | xyproto | *fails |
| 10:54:58 | xyproto | everything before that works fine |
| 10:55:22 | xyproto | I can post the full output, if that helps |
| 10:57:53 | superfunc | As a temporary workaround, you could just add Nimrod/bin to PATH |
| 10:58:12 | xyproto | superfunc: that's already being done |
| 10:58:34 | xyproto | export PATH="$srcdir/$pkgname/bin:$PATH" |
| 10:59:45 | xyproto | here is the full stdout and stderr when building. stdout: http://ix.io/eQq stederr: http://ix.io/eQr |
| 11:00:16 | xyproto | (forgot to set the locale to english before building, so there is some norwegian output thrown in there, but the output from the nimrod-related tools is the same) |
| 11:03:14 | xyproto | I see that "dist/mingw" is mentioned in the compiler/nimrod.ini file. Could it be that the [Windows] section is somehow used, even tough it's not supposed to, or that there is something wrong with the parsing of sections or comments? |
| 11:03:54 | xyproto | dom96_: ^ |
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| 11:29:03 | dom96_ | xyproto: You can always just copy the files manually instead of using koch install. |
| 11:29:17 | dom96_ | I know it's tedious but I'm not sure what the problem is. |
| 11:29:35 | dom96_ | It likely requires a patch which is a problem to do after a release. |
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| 11:45:05 | Trustable | dom96, please update the topic of this channel |
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| 11:47:40 | Araq_ | xyproto: a fix for that is already in devel, but the release is tagged and I don't want to change the tag. However, only the build instructions need to be updated really. Will do it tonight. |
| 11:48:08 | Araq_ | and no, it doesn't use mingw on linux ;-) |
| 11:48:35 | Araq_ | the real problem is that I wasn't aware we tell people to use "koch install" |
| 11:49:16 | Araq_ | there are too many places where we documented how Nim should be built/installed :-/ |
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| 12:18:28 | xyproto | Araq_: I see. Thanks for looking into it, will try the latest commit from the devel branch instead. Thanks. |
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| 12:28:13 | xyproto | Araq_: the latest commit from the devel branch worked fine |
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| 12:28:32 | xyproto | dom96_: thanks for the support |
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| 12:28:44 | Araq_ | xyproto: so what's your opinion? re-tag the release? |
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| 12:29:11 | xyproto | Araq_: yes, also the niminst --var:version=0.9.5 line is a bit confusing for a 0.9.6 release |
| 12:29:41 | xyproto | Araq_: but the problem is solved here on my end, it's not a problem to depend on the commit until the next release tag |
| 12:29:42 | Araq_ | that's caused by outdated csources ... :-/ |
| 12:30:04 | xyproto | that's weird, I'm checking out csources from git |
| 12:30:08 | xyproto | oh well |
| 12:30:19 | xyproto | It's all good. And good call on the new "nim" name :) |
| 12:31:11 | xyproto | Araq_: should /usr/bin/nimrod be called /usr/bin/nim instead, from a packaging point of view? |
| 12:31:38 | Araq_ | xyproto: not for 0.9.6. 0.10.0 will be 'nim' |
| 12:31:50 | xyproto | Araq_: I see. |
| 12:33:08 | xyproto | Araq_: btw, I wrote a "sdl2 hello world / getting started" sample application for several languages, and Nimrod was one of the most comfortable both to read and write. https://github.com/xyproto/hello_sdl2 if you should be interested |
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| 12:59:33 | xyproto | Nimrod 0.9.6 is now available as an official package on Arch Linux, using commit b0179f9af5 from the devel branch |
| 12:59:55 | xyproto | (it will take a minute or two before it appears in [community]) |
| 13:01:18 | Araq_ | xyproto: does 'nimrod -v' produce 0.9.6 for this pakage? |
| 13:01:59 | xyproto | Araq_: yes, Nimrod Compiler Version 0.9.6 (2014-10-20) |
| 13:02:10 | Araq_ | ok good |
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| 13:17:29 | gokr1 | xyproto: This mingw thing someone mentioned yesterday and I think Araq made a commit... |
| 13:20:45 | gokr1 | Hehe, or quoting Araq from then: "er where do we tell you to run fucking "koch install"?" |
| 13:21:12 | gokr1 | The install.txt file doesn't recommend that anymore - readme.md is a bit old I think. |
| 13:22:23 | gokr1 | Perhaps it was this: https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/commit/4cca562c4a5386656c85008ba17865b67b479fc5 |
| 13:23:10 | gokr1 | later |
| 13:25:58 | nullmove | hi gokr1, your last article was great |
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| 13:39:17 | gokr_ | nullmove: which one? :) |
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| 13:41:04 | gokr_ | i posted a new today |
| 13:41:18 | gokr_ | a fluffy one |
| 13:41:25 | nullmove | yes the new one: http://goran.krampe.se/2014/10/20/i-missed-nim/ |
| 13:41:43 | nullmove | your references were great, had a good time reading around :) |
| 13:42:09 | gokr_ | thanks! |
| 13:43:02 | gokr_ | Nim needs to get above radar |
| 13:44:57 | nullmove | speaking of it, I noticed that the news about 0.9.6 release haven't been posted in HN |
| 13:46:32 | nullmove | ah, someone finally did it 12 minutes ago |
| 13:50:46 | gokr_ | Next I would like to explore debugging and ide support, editors |
| 13:50:59 | gokr_ | I suspect that is the weak spot. |
| 13:52:15 | Araq_ | gokr_: I think it's better to remove some of your articles and instead "officially" release one of them each week |
| 13:52:35 | Araq_ | so we can spam reddit and hn :-) |
| 13:52:45 | Araq_ | but I don't know really |
| 13:52:59 | gokr_ | Hehe, well, true - but I will write more. |
| 13:53:25 | gokr_ | and not fond of removing |
| 13:53:40 | Araq_ | the D reddit spamming is too obvious, we shouldn't copy that model |
| 13:53:55 | xyproto | gokr_: the mingw issue was resolved after advice from Araq_ to use a later commit. Thanks, though. |
| 13:54:23 | gokr_ | But feel free to link them in somewhere |
| 13:55:45 | gokr_ | and also, since Rust and Go are the main competition a more detailed comparison may be good to have on the site |
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| 13:57:07 | bjz | Araq_: do you mean D spamming on /r/programming? or on their own subreddit |
| 13:57:13 | xyproto | gokr_: and perhaps Julia |
| 13:57:40 | Araq_ | bjz: on /r/programming of course |
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| 13:57:46 | Trustable | Araq_: http://nimrod-lang.org/news.xml needs to be updated |
| 13:58:03 | Araq_ | Trustable: yeah, will do later |
| 13:58:14 | bjz | Araq_: ah ok - yeah I was turned off the D subreddit because of their automated forum bot thing |
| 13:58:14 | Trustable | ok |
| 13:58:46 | Araq_ | bjz: well I'm obviously very biased against D |
| 13:59:19 | bjz | Araq_: I don't really find the D posting too bad, but it would be better if it was more than just andrei doing it |
| 13:59:40 | * | bjz says this as a heavy Rust user |
| 14:00:13 | bjz | Araq_: I would definitely like to see more nimrod stuff being posted on proggit |
| 14:00:18 | bjz | and HN |
| 14:00:48 | bjz | it is a balancing act though |
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| 14:02:01 | gokr_ | How complete is the VM btw? Can it be used for debugging? |
| 14:02:18 | bjz | Araq_: re. HN posts, be sure not to ask for upvotes directly through the URL - they kill the thread if they see too many folks coming from the same source |
| 14:02:41 | bjz | Araq_: ie. it's killed automatically |
| 14:02:45 | Araq_ | gokr_: no, it can't |
| 14:05:24 | gokr_ | Or some virtual cpu? Eliot uses Bochs to debug his JIT. But is there some info on how to debug? |
| 14:08:21 | Araq_ | gokr_: well I told you. try the visual studio plugin please |
| 14:08:54 | Araq_ | debugging via .injectStmt is worth an article of its own |
| 14:09:11 | gokr_ | I will, just curious on Linux since that is our server platform |
| 14:09:57 | gokr_ | ok I will google it |
| 14:10:21 | Araq_ | bjz: thanks for the advice. |
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| 15:43:15 | Etheco | Possibly a silly question, but can Nimrod be run like a Daemon? |
| 15:48:46 | Trustable | Etheco: Do you mean the Nimrod compiler? |
| 15:49:33 | Etheco | i think i just need to learn more, i assume i can have a loop thats True, that just pauses every 15secs |
| 15:50:42 | Etheco | just need to figure out how to fork it into the background correctly. |
| 16:03:12 | bjz | Araq: is nimrod-lang.org meant to redirect to nim-lang.org? |
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| 16:19:49 | gokr1 | Etheco: On Linux? |
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| 16:21:32 | gokr1 | Etheco: For a simple example of a daemon, check examples/httpserver2.nim. As you can see it has a main that basically does a "while true:" and uses "sleep(10)" to not busy loop. |
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| 16:22:06 | gokr1 | Then in Unix at least - there is nothing special with a "daemon" prog - just run it in the background |
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| 16:26:00 | Etheco | ah sweet gokr1 thanks :) |
| 16:26:21 | Etheco | yeh its linux, i am writing a maint daemon for servers and found nim and looks awesome |
| 16:27:06 | gokr1 | Yeah, I just discovered Nim too actually. |
| 16:27:55 | Etheco | and from what i read, i can compile so its fully independent also |
| 16:28:10 | Etheco | so i don't need to install this and that to get it working, is that correct |
| 16:28:40 | gokr1 | Yeah, Nim compiles to a single executable per default. |
| 16:28:47 | Etheco | awesome :) |
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| 16:29:15 | gokr1 | So just write a single file, add your imports at the top and "nimrod c myprogram.nim" and you get an executable called "myprogram". |
| 16:29:33 | gokr1 | And use Babel to install libraries you wish to use - that are not in the stdlib. |
| 16:29:53 | Etheco | spot on, thanks :) |
| 16:30:17 | gokr1 | And to get speed - add the "-d:release" option when compiling. |
| 16:30:22 | gokr1 | That gives like 20x boost :) |
| 16:30:25 | gokr1 | Or whatever. |
| 16:30:29 | Etheco | ah that the optimisation |
| 16:30:45 | gokr1 | You can start by going into examples and "nimrod c somexeample.nim" |
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| 16:31:41 | gokr1 | yeah, it adds some optimization flags for the C compiler I think - and also doesn't stuff lots of debug thingies into the C source. |
| 16:32:02 | Etheco | if i compile it on a 32bit machine |
| 16:32:08 | Etheco | will this effect it being on a 64bit |
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| 16:32:37 | Etheco | just compiled (32bit machine) and moved the compiled file to another server and tried to run it after +x, but i am getting a ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 16:33:05 | gokr1 | Ehum. |
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| 16:34:02 | gokr1 | Oh, it seems that means you are missing 32 bit files on that machine. |
| 16:34:09 | gokr1 | What Linux distro? |
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| 16:34:25 | Etheco | centos 64btit |
| 16:34:40 | gokr1 | Ah, ok. Then I guess this link may help: |
| 16:34:50 | gokr1 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14030306/lib-ld-linux-so-2-bad-elf-interpreter-no-such-file-or-directory |
| 16:34:54 | gokr1 | I just googled it. |
| 16:35:20 | Etheco | ill try compile it on a 64bit server |
| 16:35:25 | Etheco | and see if it still asks for that |
| 16:35:44 | gokr1 | Yeah, if you do it on a 64 bit machine you should be fine. |
| 16:35:52 | Etheco | awesome :) thats fine then |
| 16:35:55 | Etheco | thank you |
| 16:35:58 | gokr1 | or on the 64 bit machine, do "yum install glibc.i686" and then it may work fine. |
| 16:36:52 | Etheco | gonna try build it to avoid installing extras |
| 16:36:58 | gokr1 | sure |
| 16:37:05 | Etheco | they will all be 64bit servers it goes on, just my local is 32bit sadly |
| 16:37:18 | Etheco | Thank you very much for your time gokr1 *Thumbsup* |
| 16:38:08 | gokr1 | No, problem, that's what IRC is for :) |
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| 18:14:46 | Varriount | bloop |
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| 18:23:47 | superfunc_ | today was fun, all of my students in intro to java thought Nim was awesome. First question was: "If this is faster, and it doesn't look so awful, why are we using java?" lulz |
| 18:26:21 | gokr1 | Nice! |
| 18:28:06 | superfunc_ | it was a good thing no one came in to observe my teaching during the detour lol |
| 18:28:33 | Etheco | they raise should a good point :D |
| 18:28:40 | Etheco | such* |
| 18:29:13 | Etheco | also gokr1 compiling on 64bit resolved my issues :) |
| 18:35:27 | gokr1 | Etheco: Goodie |
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| 18:56:17 | Varriount | superfunc_: Can I be your student? My CS teacher is enamored with Java. |
| 18:56:52 | Varriount | superfunc: I tried to show some students Nimrod, and I think I broke their brains. They just stared at me with incomprehension. |
| 18:57:08 | Varriount | *some of my classmates in my CS class |
| 18:58:28 | superfunc | That's surprising, nim is so much cleaner. What did you show them haha? |
| 18:59:44 | Varriount | superfunc: The front page. |
| 19:00:58 | superfunc | Wow. |
| 19:02:31 | Varriount | Then again, this is an intro to CS class. |
| 19:03:10 | superfunc | Fair enough. They are taking a lot of new info on |
| 19:04:32 | Varriount | superfunc: I'm just taking in how... dysfunctional parts of Java are. |
| 19:04:52 | Varriount | Like, how you can't instantiate a generic type. |
| 19:06:02 | Varriount | Or maybe it was an array of a generic type. |
| 19:06:04 | gokr1 | Java is a sick hack. |
| 19:06:58 | gokr1 | When it came it was a joke, then they added, added, added... into a monster. Some of the libs are quite allright though - I recall some concurrency libs that were fairly nicely constructed. |
| 19:07:31 | gokr1 | Sad that IBM didn't take the fight with Sun at the time. (waiting to see if anyone understand what I mean) |
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| 19:15:23 | superfunc | Probably before my time gokr1 |
| 19:15:36 | gokr1 | Hehe |
| 19:16:03 | gokr1 | So at the time IBM was pushing Smalltalk fairly hard, and Sun invented Java - first aimed at consumer electronics. |
| 19:16:29 | gokr1 | Smalltalk had mainly two commercial vendors - IBM and Parcplace. IBM of course much more muscle. |
| 19:16:41 | gokr1 | Both Smalltalks very good. |
| 19:17:13 | gokr1 | Then the web came, and Sun realized noone wanted Java in consumer electronics - so they threw it at the web instead. Applets. |
| 19:17:49 | gokr1 | Anyway, so not much happened - but there was an interesting turning point at the OOPSLA conference. |
| 19:18:26 | gokr1 | Not exactly sure which year that was... (googling) ... I was there. |
| 19:18:31 | Triplefox | Funny how java ended up in consumer electronics anyway via android |
| 19:18:48 | Triplefox | And the older phones |
| 19:19:46 | Varriount | I recall a quote from a google dev on why Java was chosen... something along the lines of 'all the other options suck' |
| 19:20:15 | gokr1 | So, anyway - the turning point. Animorphic systems were at OOPSLA. Their booth was empty - but they had a single graph on a piece of paper on the wall. |
| 19:20:48 | gokr1 | The paper showed Java vs their Java. And Smalltalk vs their Smalltalk. |
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| 19:21:03 | gokr1 | Basically their VMs were 5x faster. |
| 19:21:25 | gokr1 | So this was the commercialization of the adaptive JIT tech that Strongtalk pioneered. |
| 19:21:31 | gokr1 | Which originally came from Self. |
| 19:21:51 | Varriount | And was eventually used for the JVM? |
| 19:22:09 | gokr1 | And I recall asking them what was their game plan - and they said (they were like only 8 people or so) "We are here to get bought!" |
| 19:22:20 | gokr1 | So IBM or Sun. |
| 19:23:04 | gokr1 | And it was Sun who did it. At this time IBM had started their "customer is always right" reformation - they weren't taking up any wars anymore. |
| 19:23:28 | gokr1 | So Sun bought Animorphic/Longview tech - and that became HotSpot. |
| 19:23:53 | gokr1 | Which propelled Java into much more interesting performance. |
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| 19:24:24 | gokr1 | Many things come from the Smalltalk roots. Including Eclipse. |
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| 19:25:09 | gokr1 | IBM Smalltalk was called VisualAge (basically). Then they wrote a Java IDE in Smalltalk - and called that VisualAge for Java. |
| 19:25:31 | gokr1 | Basically it was the Smalltalk IDE - just refitted to browse and debug Java code. |
| 19:25:43 | gokr1 | It was the best Java IDE I have used. |
| 19:26:02 | gokr1 | Then - since these guys were Smalltalkers - they felt that a proper Java IDE should be written in Java too. |
| 19:26:12 | Triplefox | Ha |
| 19:26:13 | gokr1 | So thus Eclipse was born. |
| 19:26:46 | gokr1 | And turned into some kind of Visual Studio clone instead. |
| 19:26:53 | gokr1 | A pity. |
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| 19:27:54 | gokr1 | And Swing? I didn't like it much - but it too came from Smalltalk roots. IIRC it was the same people who wrote the similar framework for VisualWorks Smalltalk - called Chameleon I think. |
| 19:28:56 | Matthias247 | hmm, I have a 4k monitor since last week. Now even Java looks better ;) |
| 19:28:57 | gokr1 | Already in 1994 I worked in VisualWorks on Sun stations, and I could switch L&F of VisualWorks to OS/2 or Windows. I liked OS/2 actually. It of course ran bit identically on all machines, I could just copy the app over to the Mac or Windows and run it there. |
| 19:29:37 | gokr1 | Its funny, Smalltalk did all this, and much more. The big problem? It was costly as hell. |
| 19:31:19 | gokr1 | sorry for the memory lane spewage :) |
| 19:36:18 | superfunc | Wow gokr1 thanks so much for the enlightenment |
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| 19:36:50 | gokr1 | Not sure if you are ironic or not ;) |
| 19:39:56 | Matthias247 | currently a lot of companies seem to introduce Java with OSGI in the IoT field |
| 19:40:16 | superfunc | I'm serious |
| 19:40:17 | Matthias247 | had a view job interviews where this showed up recently |
| 19:40:28 | Matthias247 | but I think it's not a very good fit |
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| 19:42:01 | gokr1 | Time machine: http://merlintec.com/old-self-interest/msg01011.html |
| 19:42:08 | gokr1 | So it was in 1997 they bought it. |
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| 19:55:26 | superfunc | Would it be possible to have public and private sections of a module ala c++ so we don't need to explicitly mark each with *? Just curious |
| 19:56:26 | superfunc | I was thinking with a macro |
| 19:56:29 | gokr1 | Feels like one of those questions that Araq will answer with ... templates! :) |
| 19:56:33 | gokr1 | Or macro. |
| 19:56:38 | Araq | macro. |
| 19:57:22 | superfunc | Neat |
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| 20:11:01 | gokr1 | Btw, if anyone read my last Nim article ("I missed Nim") and have corrections for me - or things like "Oh, you failed to mention X". Go ahead. |
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| 20:11:53 | ajitsingh | hi |
| 20:11:57 | ajitsingh | is anyone active |
| 20:12:01 | ajitsingh | need some help with code |
| 20:12:08 | ajitsingh | is this the right place to discuss this? |
| 20:12:23 | gokr1 | Depends on which language the code is in :) |
| 20:12:33 | ajitsingh | nimrod :p |
| 20:12:36 | ajitsingh | of course |
| 20:12:47 | gokr1 | Hehe, just kidding. Go ahead |
| 20:13:03 | ajitsingh | so i was trying out the asynchttpserver module |
| 20:13:13 | ajitsingh | i am planning on writing a game in my spare time in nimrod |
| 20:13:22 | ajitsingh | but i am getting a confusing error message |
| 20:13:26 | ajitsingh | the code is this: |
| 20:13:35 | ajitsingh | "" |
| 20:13:38 | ajitsingh | import strutils, sockets, asynchttpserver |
| 20:13:38 | ajitsingh | from asyncdispatch import PFuture |
| 20:13:38 | ajitsingh | proc handler(request: TRequest): PFuture[void] {.closure.} = |
| 20:13:38 | ajitsingh | echo "hello" |
| 20:13:38 | ajitsingh | var server = newAsyncHttpServer() |
| 20:13:38 | ajitsingh | discard server.serve(TPort(80), handler, "") |
| 20:13:38 | ajitsingh | import strutils, sockets, asynchttpserver |
| 20:13:39 | ajitsingh | from asyncdispatch import PFuture |
| 20:13:39 | ajitsingh | proc handler(request: TRequest): PFuture[void] {.closure.} = |
| 20:13:40 | ajitsingh | echo "hello" |
| 20:13:40 | ajitsingh | var server = newAsyncHttpServer() |
| 20:13:41 | ajitsingh | discard server.serve(TPort(80), handler, "") |
| 20:13:43 | ajitsingh | sorry about that |
| 20:13:47 | ajitsingh | ================================================================== |
| 20:13:51 | ajitsingh | the code is this |
| 20:13:53 | ajitsingh | import strutils, sockets, asynchttpserver |
| 20:13:53 | ajitsingh | from asyncdispatch import PFuture |
| 20:13:53 | ajitsingh | proc handler(request: TRequest): PFuture[void] {.closure.} = |
| 20:13:53 | ajitsingh | echo "hello" |
| 20:13:53 | ajitsingh | var server = newAsyncHttpServer() |
| 20:13:53 | ajitsingh | discard server.serve(TPort(80), handler, "") |
| 20:14:11 | ajitsingh | im getting this error that i cant seem to figure out |
| 20:14:26 | ajitsingh | main.nim(8, 14) Error: type mismatch: got (PAsyncHttpServer, TPort, proc (TRequest): PFuture[void]{.closure.}, string) |
| 20:14:26 | ajitsingh | but expected one of: |
| 20:14:26 | ajitsingh | asynchttpserver.serve(server: PAsyncHttpServer, port: TPort, callback: proc (TRequest): PFuture[void]{.closure.}, address: string): PFuture[void] |
| 20:15:39 | ajitsingh | to me the actual and expected look the same from the error message |
| 20:15:45 | ajitsingh | cant seem to figure out whats happening |
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| 20:16:11 | Trustable | ajitsingh, please post your code on a website like pastebin or github gist instead of posting it here. |
| 20:16:32 | ajitsingh | oh ok yeah sure |
| 20:16:47 | ajitsingh | did not know that |
| 20:17:13 | Trustable | no problem |
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| 20:17:42 | Trustable | I think you need to add a second parameter of type string to your procedure handler() |
| 20:19:06 | ajitsingh | sorry didnt work |
| 20:19:19 | ajitsingh | im looking at the manual too and it does not expect another string argument |
| 20:20:09 | Araq | ajitsingh: the aysnc await stuff has not been backported to 0.9.6, unfortunately |
| 20:20:29 | Araq | 0.10.0 has it, but that's not officially released ... |
| 20:20:49 | ajitsingh | oh ok well that makes sense |
| 20:20:58 | ajitsingh | does the asynchttpserver use that stuff? |
| 20:21:08 | ajitsingh | because im definitely not using it in my code |
| 20:21:19 | Araq | yes |
| 20:21:57 | ajitsingh | cool ill wait for 0.10 |
| 20:22:04 | ajitsingh | thanks for the help guys |
| 20:22:09 | ajitsingh | oh and great language btw |
| 20:22:16 | ajitsingh | love some of the ideas |
| 20:22:27 | superfunc__ | you can build 0.10.0 if you'd like |
| 20:22:38 | ajitsingh | from github? |
| 20:22:41 | superfunc__ | yeah |
| 20:22:50 | ajitsingh | will it build on windows? |
| 20:22:51 | superfunc__ | git checkout nimrod_repo |
| 20:23:01 | ajitsingh | i currently dont have a running linux distro |
| 20:23:01 | superfunc__ | git checkout bigbreak* |
| 20:23:14 | superfunc__ | Araq may know |
| 20:23:32 | Araq | ajitsingh: yes. we have really good windows support. |
| 20:23:34 | superfunc__ | I don't see why not |
| 20:23:58 | superfunc__ | just checkout the bigbreak branch of Nimrod and the bigbreak branch of csources when you clone that |
| 20:24:06 | superfunc__ | then build with the normal steps from the repo |
| 20:24:44 | ajitsingh | ok ill try that and see how that goes |
| 20:25:34 | ajitsingh | thanks for all the stuff :) cya |
| 20:26:28 | superfunc__ | ajitsingh: right on, have fun! |
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| 20:29:49 | * | gokr1 debugging fizzbuzz in KDevelop... |
| 20:31:00 | gokr1 | Its cool! |
| 20:31:20 | gokr1 | He he. It steps into all the mod and everything. Nice! |
| 20:38:03 | superfunc__ | Araq: have you considered making a typeclass implementation explicit in the type declaration? |
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| 20:41:27 | Araq | superfunc__: I considered to make typeclasses stable ... |
| 20:42:00 | Araq | once they are actually useful we can improve upon their design |
| 20:42:28 | Araq | in particular, symbol lookup rules in generics really should be affected by typeclasses |
| 20:42:42 | Araq | what's your proposal? |
| 20:45:59 | superfunc__ | for the syntax? |
| 20:46:28 | superfunc__ | http://lpaste.net/112949 |
| 20:46:55 | Araq | oh that's what you mean |
| 20:47:53 | superfunc__ | sorry if I wasn't clear |
| 20:47:56 | Araq | well I don't know. usually Nim likes to not do things like that so you can implement a typeclass without touching the definition of "ConcreteThing" |
| 20:48:53 | superfunc__ | shouldn't users only be able to implement typeclasses with their own types, or their own typeclasses? this allows the language to define sane things for its builtin types |
| 20:49:52 | Araq | it's the same that Go does with its "interface" construct |
| 20:50:48 | Araq | don't declare to fullfill an interface, simply fullfill it |
| 20:51:00 | Araq | and the compiler can type check anyway |
| 20:51:03 | gokr1 | Yes, that's one of the beauties of this. |
| 20:51:16 | gokr1 | "implicit" |
| 20:51:59 | superfunc__ | I get the elegance argument, but I think there is something to be said for makling your intent explicit sometimes |
| 20:52:19 | gokr1 | Well, its about being able to be polymorphic with code you don't control. |
| 20:52:30 | gokr1 | Like libraries you use etc. |
| 20:53:18 | superfunc__ | I think that's my point, I don't think I should be able to implement a typeclass for a type I didn't create |
| 20:53:23 | gokr1 | Of course, in a world where libraries are distributed in source form - and you don't mind monkey patching them. All good. ;) |
| 20:54:29 | Araq | superfunc__: you definitely should be able to do that |
| 20:54:31 | gokr1 | Why trying to control people like that? Its IMHO misguided. |
| 20:54:31 | superfunc__ | If I really need to make a builtin type, like seq[] do something, I could just wrap it in a simple single field type and define its implementation of the TC interface |
| 20:55:12 | gokr1 | Its like the whole sealed, final, private blabla in the Java world - drove me nuts. |
| 20:55:24 | Araq | gokr1: +1 |
| 20:55:38 | gokr1 | If I *know* what I am doing, I want to be able to do it. Fine, warn me, but don't stop me :) |
| 20:55:53 | superfunc__ | That's a fair point |
| 20:56:04 | ajitsingh | hi guys |
| 20:56:16 | ajitsingh | i tried building the bigbreak branch |
| 20:56:17 | superfunc__ | I think I need to mull on it more, I had a good point this morning, (I think ;)) |
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| 20:57:09 | Araq | superfunc__: paranoia is a poor language designer. |
| 20:57:11 | ajitsingh | on windows its failing with this error http://pastebin.com/E7pzLE8x -- please take a look when you are free :) |
| 20:57:13 | gokr1 | I have been toying at similar implicit interfaces in Smalltalk (although one can claim its what Smalltalk has anyway) - when I saw Go had it - I went "ooh, nice". And when I read about typeclasses in Nim - "oooooooohhhh, NICE!" :) |
| 20:57:48 | superfunc__ | Araq: fair. I suppose the case of someone accidentally implementing a typeclass is really unlikely |
| 20:57:58 | superfunc__ | near impossible, really |
| 20:58:06 | gokr1 | Hehe. Well, a 1000 monkeys... |
| 20:58:24 | superfunc__ | because they'd also have to call a function constrained on that TC they accidentally implemented |
| 20:58:25 | gokr1 | No, but really - the implicitness is a superb aspect of it. |
| 20:59:06 | Araq | superfunc__: no, it's the other way round. In fact types WILL "accidentally" implement a TC |
| 20:59:33 | superfunc__ | for basic ones like Eq, Ord yeah, |
| 20:59:38 | gokr1 | Araq: So debugging with KDevelop seems to work perfectly fine - of course, variables have funky names - but that's expected, right? |
| 21:00:04 | Araq | gokr1: local vars are often not mangled. sometimes it's unavoidable though. |
| 21:00:27 | gokr1 | Can stuff like that be mapped? |
| 21:00:54 | Araq | if you rewrite the Dwarf debugging information |
| 21:01:07 | Araq | can be done but it's quite some work |
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| 21:02:17 | superfunc__ | Araq: so the idea is more that, with implicitness, things will naturally fall into these categories(typeclasses), leading to more useful, generic functions? |
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| 21:02:46 | Araq | ajitsingh: that error makes little sense. do you use an old nimrod compiler? |
| 21:02:56 | superfunc__ | i.e. proc[T: Ord](t1, t2: T) = ... will work on just about anything that is implicitly orderable |
| 21:03:11 | Araq | superfunc__: yes. |
| 21:03:16 | ajitsingh | im using the one that i just built from the csources |
| 21:03:17 | gokr1 | And this... ENDB guy... its not compatible with anything, right? |
| 21:03:23 | ajitsingh | its version is 0.9.5 |
| 21:03:43 | Araq | ajitsingh: it should be nim.exe, not nimrod.exe |
| 21:03:58 | superfunc__ | That makes sense. Thanks. I guess I need to just get out of the mental mindset of being overly explicit with everything(blame my C++ years) |
| 21:04:37 | gokr1 | superfunc__: You have me here, Smalltalk freak. The opposite :) |
| 21:04:52 | ajitsingh | is there a specific branch of csources that i should checkout |
| 21:05:01 | ajitsingh | i just built the master |
| 21:05:09 | fowl | araq did you see #1581 |
| 21:05:09 | Araq | ajitsingh: yes. the bigbreak branch. |
| 21:05:16 | superfunc__ | gokr1: One of my professors in undergrad worked at sun during that time period you were discussing, I just realized |
| 21:05:27 | Araq | fowl: the .compileTime var issue? yes, it's weird. |
| 21:05:44 | gokr1 | "time period" sounds like... dinos roaming. |
| 21:05:55 | gokr1 | But yeah, I am a dino I guess. |
| 21:06:10 | fowl | Araq, i dont think you have a proper test for that behavior, i only saw one testing compiletime vars inside a module |
| 21:06:22 | fowl | Araq, anyways my entity system relies heavily on that behavior |
| 21:07:06 | superfunc__ | entitty* |
| 21:07:08 | superfunc__ | ftfy |
| 21:07:11 | gokr1 | fowl: Ever looked at Urho3D? |
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| 21:07:48 | fowl | gokr1, no, never heard of it |
| 21:08:04 | gokr1 | Check it out. IMHO the best open source gaming engine. |
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| 21:08:44 | gokr1 | We have just started trying to use it in our product. |
| 21:09:16 | gokr1 | After extensive reviewing open source engines. |
| 21:09:29 | Araq | fowl: it's easy to fix, you can do it |
| 21:09:45 | Araq | vmgen.checkCanEval |
| 21:11:15 | Araq | if {sfCompileTime, sfGlobal} <= s.flags: return |
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| 21:23:40 | Mat3 | hi all |
| 21:23:53 | Araq | hi Mat3 |
| 21:24:07 | Mat3 | hi Araq |
| 21:26:38 | superfunc__ | yo |
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| 21:29:19 | gokr1 | So... "--debuginfo" adds ... stuff for gdb? And "--lineDir:on" adds the line mappings or? |
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| 21:33:42 | Araq | yes |
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| 21:39:28 | ajitsingh | hi araq |
| 21:39:35 | ajitsingh | so i built the 0.10 version |
| 21:39:48 | ajitsingh | it still fails, but its giving a slightly different error |
| 21:39:56 | ajitsingh | ive pasted it here http://pastebin.com/c9VnR1W6 |
| 21:41:02 | gokr1 | locks! ;) |
| 21:41:16 | * | gokr1 points to Araq vaguely ... |
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| 21:41:59 | ajitsingh | can i add something -- the documentation says nothing about locks |
| 21:42:23 | Araq | ajitsingh: don't use .closure for top level procs |
| 21:42:52 | ajitsingh | done |
| 21:43:07 | ajitsingh | didnt affect the error though :/ |
| 21:48:50 | Mat3 | why is 'AsyncHttpServer' written as 'asynchttpserver' in the error message ? Does Nim 0.10 convert label to lower case ? |
| 21:49:01 | Mat3 | labels |
| 21:49:33 | fowl | Mat3, thats the module name, it is lowercase |
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| 21:53:44 | gokr1 | Ha, just found an article I was going to mention to you Araq - but luckily I skimmed the comments and you had already commented "You just described how Nimrod works. Please check it out." :) |
| 21:55:36 | Mat3 | fowl: hmm, ok |
| 21:55:45 | Araq | ajitsingh: I can reproduce. I'm puzzled too. |
| 21:56:21 | ajitsingh | :D now we are getting somewhere |
| 21:56:40 | ajitsingh | although im sure you weren't intending for it to come out like that :D |
| 21:57:13 | fowl | ajitsingh, try setting it up like the example |
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| 21:57:34 | ajitsingh | what example? |
| 21:57:52 | ajitsingh | @fowl |
| 21:57:53 | fowl | https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/blob/bigbreak/lib/pure/asynchttpserver.nim#L12 |
| 22:01:21 | ajitsingh | araq: do i need to explicitly enable await async stuff? |
| 22:01:26 | Mat3 | ciao |
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| 22:01:38 | ajitsingh | the example does not compile either |
| 22:01:49 | ajitsingh | fails with invalid pragma {.async.} |
| 22:02:06 | ajitsingh | and on removing that fails with undeclared identifier await |
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| 22:06:18 | Araq | ajitsingh: well thanks for reporting. looks like we still have quite some work ahead of us. |
| 22:08:04 | ajitsingh | no problem :) and thanks for all the help |
| 22:12:46 | Varriount | superfunc_: So, I just finished a CS midterm |
| 22:14:00 | Varriount | My old enemy, 'ambiguity', has paired up with my new enemy, 'big O notation', to create lots of... trouble. |
| 22:15:18 | Joe_knock | Araq: How ya? |
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| 22:17:00 | Araq | Joe_knock: sleeping |
| 22:17:08 | Joe_knock | aah. |
| 22:19:59 | superfunc | Varriount: how so? |
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| 22:40:44 | gokr1 | Argh. |
| 22:41:19 | gokr1 | Ok, so I was playing around with objdump and readelf - and also checking the C generated. So KDevelop shows "res_88032" in the variables pane. |
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| 22:41:44 | gokr1 | That's the loop var "i" in fizzbuzz. I can't for my life find it in any symbol table. |
| 22:42:24 | gokr1 | I was just playing with the idea of creating a separate symbol file, to get the proper names. |
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| 23:28:02 | Varriount | superfunc: Well, it's hard to determine the big O notation of something when you can't see it's implementation. |
| 23:28:54 | Varriount | What is the worst case complexity of getting the length of a linked list? It could be O(1), if the length is tracked, or O(N), if it's not. |
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