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| 01:16:06 | FromDiscord | <Emmanuel M. Smith 🔸> I haven't seen that kind of unhinged behaviour in a while. Last time I experienced it the guy went on new medication and it completely changed his personality |
| 01:16:17 | FromDiscord | <Emmanuel M. Smith 🔸> Maybe it's the same here 🤷♂️ |
| 02:00:41 | FromDiscord | <koaledu> They'll be fine (I hope). |
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| 06:35:41 | FromDiscord | <amun0666> In reply to @determiedmech1 "is it possible to": He wasn't using IRC. Matrix probably. |
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| 08:54:35 | FromDiscord | <tapeda> "I'm going to spam stoner rap till people use my libraries" seemed like such a high trust, high integrity move tho |
| 08:58:21 | FromDiscord | <tapeda> In reply to @aintea "I love how some": Honestly forgot stars even existed till now, maybe I should go star what I use |
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| 09:25:04 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> In reply to @aintea "I love how some": Also a function of time, Henka's very new. |
| 09:25:30 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> I wonder how many people even know it exists. |
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| 10:20:54 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> In reply to @__jont__ "Don't do drugs kids": He suffers from misattribution fallacy and general's syndrome.↵Somehow him having tokens to burn on swarms of concurrent coding agents makes him think all that is his work (he literally referred to it as such), while he's taking the fundamental design decisions from Araq and leaves the rest to his agents. |
| 10:24:54 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.14807 |
| 10:26:30 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167487024000618 |
| 10:43:55 | FromDiscord | <DetermiedNim1> ah so this is some kind of ai psychosis or smth 😭 |
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| 12:45:06 | FromDiscord | <Emmanuel M. Smith 🔸> And here I previously thought that term was overly hyperbolic 😂↵(@DetermiedNim1) |
| 13:23:31 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> In reply to @0ffh "https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.14807": I'm under the impression that this is not unique to LLMs |
| 13:23:55 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> or generative tools more broadly |
| 13:25:05 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> (insert obligatory dunning-krueger mention) |
| 13:32:16 | FromDiscord | <tapeda> What raised my eyebrow for classic dunning-kruger was posting some hefty ide tooling w/json and python on the forum, a day later `nim track` coming out and thr forum post disappeared and a new one came up by the same guy still hefty but now the llm prose in the readme kept mentioning `based on nim track`.... Like a puppy, very eager, very senseless |
| 13:39:26 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/dctQtFon |
| 13:39:42 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> people like seeing things done, it turns out |
| 13:40:49 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> I'm soldiering on a project using an LLM and everyone cheered me on anyway (at this time, at least) because they see things getting done |
| 13:41:09 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> (edit) "I'm soldiering on a project using an LLM and everyone cheered me on anyway (at this time, at least) because they see things getting done ... " added "more than "it's not really you who's doing it"" |
| 13:42:00 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> but I am willing to admit things that I've done "not by my hand" |
| 13:42:11 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> (edit) "done" => ""done"" |
| 13:42:37 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> In reply to @zumi.dxy "there is a sense": When I let an LLM do something on serious code (as opposed to little command line utilities and such that really don't need much design work) I literally spend more time conversing with the thing, hammering out what exactly I want done and how, than it needs to modify the code. |
| 13:43:01 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> That's often the case for me as well |
| 13:43:30 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> The opposite is: Write a couple of lines of prompt and let and agent with 8 subagents hammer away at it for eight hours. |
| 13:44:06 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> it's like↵I have the brainpower to think of the architecture and know how it's gonna be done↵but then I have to spare the brainpower to make it real |
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| 13:44:44 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> I could substitute that latter part to an LLM and run into what actually doesn't work |
| 13:44:51 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> (edit) "I could substitute that latter part to an LLM and run ... into" added "faster" |
| 13:45:05 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> that whole point about faster iterations |
| 13:46:14 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> Or maybe when thinking up the design I can have one /grill-me and make me specify exactly what I want |
| 13:46:42 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> Oh, and sometimes I just thought I made myself clear, and it comes up with some fantastically elaborate bullshit schemes that add 200 lines of totally unnecessary code. 😭 |
| 13:46:56 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> yeahhhhhh it can be |
| 13:46:57 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> quite verbose |
| 13:47:02 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> Especially in comments |
| 13:47:14 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> It has to like throw the entire context into the code comments |
| 13:47:36 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> and not particularly in the way I would phrase them as well |
| 13:47:49 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> it often writes these extremely long paragraphs |
| 13:48:03 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> They say it's so the LLM can constantly orient itself? but idk |
| 13:48:44 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> In reply to @zumi.dxy "It has to like": Yes, they are now in effect optimized to do just that, because it's the only way that long running agents can keep track of what is going on. |
| 13:49:58 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> A cynic would think it's also optimized to do that because it drains token usage faster making you have to buy more often or something |
| 13:51:14 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> I'm not even sure if the summaries and trackers they make are actually on-the-mark |
| 13:51:54 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> Anyways, those kind of experiences make me damn certain I don't want any serious software to be vibe coded in that "fire and forget" sense, because internally it's going to be a horribly convoluted, baroque mess. |
| 13:52:16 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> as if they aren't already pre-LLM age 😏 |
| 13:52:28 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> In reply to @zumi.dxy "as if they aren't": Sad but true |
| 13:52:41 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> But mostly big-corpo code |
| 13:52:46 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> I always have thought AI slop is due to its training inputs already being slop |
| 13:53:06 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> it's exactly like stack overflow |
| 13:53:07 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> In reply to @zumi.dxy "I always have thought": That might actually be at least partially true. |
| 13:53:50 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> I'm sure there's plenty of corpo-slop code in it's training data.↵Another reason to avoid corpo-slop languages like Java. |
| 13:55:53 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> i mean there's plenty of github slop |
| 13:57:33 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> Or JS code that is 60% cut-and-paste snippets from StackOverflow. |
| 13:58:54 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> I think some curious researcher found dozens and hundreds of repositories with the same incorrect code. |
| 13:59:10 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> I shiver |
| 13:59:39 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> it's like a playground rumor |
| 13:59:51 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> that spiraled into a folk tale |
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