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| 01:51:01 | FromDiscord | <11clock> antivirus programs blocking Windows programs is worrying. |
| 01:51:18 | FromDiscord | <11clock> (edit) "antivirus programs blocking Windows ... programs" added "Nim" |
| 01:51:33 | FromDiscord | <11clock> (edit) "antivirus" => "Antivirus" |
| 02:51:31 | FromDiscord | <_timurski> i ran nim code on windows just fine a while ago |
| 02:51:48 | FromDiscord | <_timurski> literally never used windows before and figured out the install process in like 5 minutes and bam had it running |
| 02:52:12 | FromDiscord | <_timurski> though it wasn't opening any files or anything, just a computational program |
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| 07:43:04 | FromDiscord | <kapendev> If people use anything that is not windows defender, then it's their problem. |
| 07:46:30 | FromDiscord | <tempestro> > if people use anything that is windows, then it's their problem↵^ftfy |
| 07:47:11 | FromDiscord | <kapendev> It's cleaner |
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| 11:15:55 | FromDiscord | <rakgew> compiling nim code targeting win, with zigcc worked very well for me so far, in order to get rid of the snakeoil-false-alerts.↵but of course depending on the "security-solution" being used ymmv↵(@11clock) |
| 12:43:16 | FromDiscord | <11clock> In reply to @tempestro "> if people use": Vast majority of the PC gaming userbase uses Windows, so it's not something I can be dismissive about. |
| 13:14:53 | FromDiscord | <11clock> I ran into an issue. Currently nim is missing the ability to export read-only variables. You can technically use let, sure, but then the module that owns the variable can't update it. |
| 13:15:14 | FromDiscord | <11clock> (edit) "read-only variables." => "variables as read-only." |
| 13:17:06 | FromDiscord | <11clock> One solution I have seen is to export a getter, but that would cause a name collision if the getter and variable shared the same name. |
| 13:48:20 | FromDiscord | <11clock> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1528398083812233307/IMG_3687.png?ex=6a5e2723&is=6a5cd5a3&hm=d536a12fda12c29464042226e9d8c372a9bbefca92d05883fea600fd875a6c4c& |
| 13:51:45 | FromDiscord | <nasuray> In reply to @11clock "One solution I have": Ya that's not allowed |
| 13:58:46 | FromDiscord | <tapeda> What's the use case? I can only imagine it in a 1000 person java team or a library convenience &even then making the 'readonly' explicit with getAge() seems nicer |
| 14:02:49 | FromDiscord | <11clock> In reply to @tapeda "What's the use case?": For my game engine I have a tickCount variable that I want to be easily accessible via a module, but difficult to accidentally write over. |
| 14:10:08 | FromDiscord | <gesee37> In reply to @11clock "For my game engine": you can wrap the tick in a object and then une regular accessor |
| 14:10:22 | FromDiscord | <gesee37> (edit) "une" => "use" |
| 14:15:59 | FromDiscord | <kapendev> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=HkwtXmkl |
| 14:20:30 | FromDiscord | <kapendev> How do you make a thread local variable? |
| 14:22:12 | FromDiscord | <11clock> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=NVbklLgX |
| 14:22:40 | FromDiscord | <kapendev> Oh true lol. Well, um add `priv_` or something |
| 14:24:29 | FromDiscord | <kapendev> In reply to @kapendev "How do you make": it's a pragma, ok ok |
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| 16:19:07 | FromDiscord | <b0rsuk> Do you have a shortcut like "pythonic", or do you just say "idiomatic nim code"? |
| 16:26:42 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> i'd just say "idiomatic nim" |
| 16:27:03 | FromDiscord | <zumi.dxy> or "nim-like" if you want |
| 16:27:20 | FromDiscord | <Laylie> yes, "idiomatic", but i would understand "nimic" |
| 16:29:28 | FromDiscord | <_timurski> nim-esque |
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| 17:20:05 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> Has anyone made an operator that can be used like a pipe for indexing, similar to how the dot operator is a pipe for functions? |
| 17:21:12 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> Was thinking something like `index.-attributes = 3` as an equivalent to `attributes[index] = 3` |
| 17:22:52 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> gets fussy with how indexing works though; `index.-attributes[1]` will evaluate to `attributes[1][index]` instead of `attributes[index][1]` |
| 17:23:39 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> (edit) "gets fussy with how indexing works though; `index.-attributes[1]` will evaluate to `attributes[1][index]` instead of `attributes[index][1]` ... " added "when just using a regular operator or template" |
| 17:34:32 | FromDiscord | <_timurski> what's the purpose of this? like in what cases does it make the code more readable |
| 17:35:35 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> In reply to @_timurski "what's the purpose of": ECS-style stuff; allows you to express an index as having fields |
| 17:37:30 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> I'm using it for some mesh manipulation stuff; it's more legible to do `vertIndex.-normals` than `normals[vertIndex]` |
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| 17:56:59 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> In reply to @toitle3554 "ECS-style stuff; allows you": Why the "-"? |
| 17:57:30 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> In reply to @0ffh "Why the "-"?": operators starting with `.` have higher priority |
| 17:58:18 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> could be `./`, `.-`, etc, just needs to be dot-like |
| 17:59:43 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> a viable alternative would be to just define a template like `normal(i: vertIndex): untyped`every time I want to access an index's 'fields' |
| 18:02:22 | FromDiscord | <_timurski> In reply to @toitle3554 "could be `./`, `.-`,": why not just have it be an actual dot operator `.`? |
| 18:02:27 | FromDiscord | <_timurski> i fele like i'm missing something |
| 18:02:34 | FromDiscord | <_timurski> (edit) "fele" => "feel" |
| 18:02:52 | FromDiscord | <_timurski> oh wait `vertIndex` is a variable |
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| 18:23:28 | FromDiscord | <11clock> Why does this not work? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1528467326847025362/image.png?ex=6a5e67a0&is=6a5d1620&hm=acc098b19b4fad25ee7c6e426eb60f57ff765060816750ab5fa7aafee9373c8e& |
| 18:29:41 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> In reply to @11clock "Why does this not": can only do `age=` for an object with an `age` field |
| 18:30:11 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> (edit) "do" => "implement" | "implement`age=` ... for" added "proc" |
| 18:30:28 | FromDiscord | <11clock> That's unfortunate. I was hoping to not enforce objects when I don't necessarily need them. |
| 18:30:57 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> actually it doesn't need to be an object with an age field, can be any variable of any type |
| 18:31:56 | FromDiscord | <11clock> Can you give an example? Having trouble understanding. So far the only types I know of are object, ref object, and enum. |
| 18:35:23 | FromDiscord | <DetermiedNim1> var T gives you a mutable reference kind of thing |
| 18:37:40 | FromDiscord | <DetermiedNim1> oh waiy |
| 18:37:48 | FromDiscord | <DetermiedNim1> why do you need procs for this? |
| 18:38:11 | FromDiscord | <DetermiedNim1> can't you just export ageBk |
| 18:39:38 | FromDiscord | <DetermiedNim1> you can do this as well https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1528471392276971600/Screenshot_20260719_133927_Termux.jpg?ex=6a5e6b69&is=6a5d19e9&hm=cbe6c7be745515809cb9453a241b72da0879ffd82ae591a600a2c0a451895d16& |
| 18:39:47 | FromDiscord | <DetermiedNim1> ignore the b |
| 18:43:51 | FromDiscord | <11clock> In reply to @determiedmech1 "can't you just export": I have a use case where I want to export the value as read-only, and onlt the module that defines it can modify it. |
| 18:44:00 | FromDiscord | <11clock> (edit) "onlt" => "only" |
| 18:44:24 | FromDiscord | <DetermiedNim1> ah ok |
| 18:44:42 | FromDiscord | <DetermiedNim1> id just export a getAge proc |
| 18:44:46 | FromDiscord | <11clock> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=aPhmDvWf |
| 18:44:49 | FromDiscord | <11clock> So I found a way |
| 18:44:53 | FromDiscord | <DetermiedNim1> oh nice |
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| 18:53:22 | FromDiscord | <11clock> I find it weird that the template works while the proc doesn't but whatever, got what I wanted. |
| 18:54:42 | FromDiscord | <11clock> Also that a template lets you access a private field like that. I thought it was raw injection. |
| 18:55:01 | FromDiscord | <11clock> (edit) "that." => "that from another module." |
| 19:14:10 | FromDiscord | <11clock> oh nvm, that wasn't working as expected. The getter template was being expanded first |
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