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02:37:23FromGitter<gogolxdong> mapLiterals seems doesn't apply to template like i18n
02:39:39FromGitter<Varriount> @gogolxdong Can you give a code example?
02:45:14FromGitter<gogolxdong> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5b271cbaf41ea926bc8b3ba9]
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02:52:25FromGitter<gogolxdong> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5b271e69f3e3007371ba6a46]
02:53:50FromGitter<gogolxdong> #["id", "name", "type", "status", "provider", "cpu", "memory", "zone", "createTime"]
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04:27:54FromGitter<Varriount> @gogolxdong mapLiterals only works on literals, not variables.
04:40:33FromGitter<Varriount> @gogolxdong You would need to do ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5b2737c18cef6c0add80ab91]
04:40:43FromGitter<Varriount> Bah
04:42:22FromGitter<Varriount> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5b27382e63cb0b1a2d201677]
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04:56:47FromGitter<Varriount> @nitely Awesome regex library!
05:06:13FromGitter<arnetheduck> @dom96 explicit in this case would mean that versions without operators should not be supported at all - we've already established that versions without operators are ambiguous - it's hard to know what they mean, specially when minor/patch are taken into consideration or missing on one side, so you have to assign "some" meaning to them.. ie what's the first principle that guides version comparison function
05:06:13FromGitter... implementation? semver?
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05:22:14FromGitter<codenoid> i have coding mood
05:22:25FromGitter<codenoid> btw, can i hide my app from `ps aux `
06:00:31FromGitter<Varriount> @codenoid Not without using kernel stuff
06:00:49FromGitter<Varriount> Or replacing `ps`
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06:20:24FromGitter<mratsim> You probably need to find some rootkit tutorials =)
06:21:06FromGitter<mratsim> an alternative is to piggyback on another executable (like bash, systemd, python)
06:21:21FromGitter<mratsim> or splice/patch a process
06:23:40FromGitter<mratsim> Also try to look into kernel level debuggers, I remember playing with SoftIce something like 15 years ago, it hid itself from the Windows Task Manager
06:26:21FromDiscord<bahm> Is it possible to pass a code block to an operator template?
06:26:41FromGitter<codenoid> i'll try something
06:27:39FromGitter<Varriount> bahm: Yes, however you would probably need to use back ticks
06:28:32FromGitter<Varriount> bahm: What are you aiming to achieve?
06:28:52FromGitter<Varriount> @mratsim How are things going?
06:29:04FromGitter<mratsim> hey, awesome =)
06:30:17FromGitter<mratsim> what about you?
06:32:29FromGitter<Varriount> Working on my independent project for school
06:32:47FromGitter<Varriount> A Nim bash-like thing
06:33:20FromGitter<mratsim> nice =)
06:33:27FromGitter<mratsim> Will you call it Nish? :P
06:34:10FromGitter<mratsim> I saw the fish shell, and it seemed interesting: https://gist.github.com/JoshCheek/02fc5cab78ffa0c7cc95
06:34:46FromGitter<Varriount> It's really only for educational purposes. The planned syntax is currently a mixture of bash and command prompt
06:35:55FromGitter<Varriount> For example, `set x = y`
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06:38:00FromGitter<mratsim> what are you studying by the way? They allow you to use Nim?
06:38:16FromGitter<mratsim> (going out, coming back in ~45min)
06:39:21FromGitter<Varriount> @mratsim It's computer science, I'm taking the "Independent Study" course.
06:40:46FromGitter<Varriount> Also, I sent you an invite link, in case you want to see the code
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06:58:25FromDiscord<bahm> I'm trying to implement list comprehension using templates, but I don't see how that's possible with generics, since a symbol lookup will fail:
06:58:25FromDiscord<bahm>
06:58:25FromDiscord<bahm> template `<-`(a, b, body: untyped): untyped =
06:58:25FromDiscord<bahm> var result: seq[int] = @[]
06:58:25FromDiscord<bahm> for a in b:
06:58:26FromDiscord<bahm> result.add(body)
06:58:26FromDiscord<bahm> result
06:58:27FromDiscord<bahm>
06:58:29FromDiscord<bahm> echo x <- @[2, 3, 4]: x*x #@[4, 9, 16]
07:02:50FromDiscord<bahm> To be specific, the above works but is limited to a integers. The following is my attempt with generics:
07:02:50FromDiscord<bahm>
07:02:50FromDiscord<bahm> template `<-`[T](a: untyped, b: typed, body: T): seq[T] =
07:02:50FromDiscord<bahm> var result: seq[T] = @[]
07:02:51FromDiscord<bahm> for a in b:
07:02:51FromDiscord<bahm> result.add(body)
07:02:51FromDiscord<bahm> result
07:02:52FromDiscord<bahm>
07:02:54FromDiscord<bahm> echo x <- @[2, 3, 4]: x*x #Error: undeclared identifier: 'x'
07:02:59FromDiscord<bahm> To be specific, the above works but is limited to integers. The following is my attempt with generics:
07:02:59FromDiscord<bahm>
07:03:01FromDiscord<bahm> template `<-`[T](a: untyped, b: typed, body: T): seq[T] =
07:03:03FromDiscord<bahm> var result: seq[T] = @[]
07:03:04FromDiscord<bahm> for a in b:
07:03:06FromDiscord<bahm> result.add(body)
07:03:07FromDiscord<bahm> result
07:03:07FromDiscord<bahm>
07:03:09FromDiscord<bahm> echo x <- @[2, 3, 4]: x*x #Error: undeclared identifier: 'x'
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07:07:21FromGitter<Varriount> bahm: Have you looked at https://nim-lang.org/docs/future.html ?
07:08:25FromDiscord<bahm> I'm aware there's an implementation of list comprehension, but I don't like the syntax 😃
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07:11:35FromGitter<Varriount> Well, an operator can usually only take 2 inputs, the left side and the right side.
07:12:33FromGitter<Varriount> I wouldn't attempt to use generics. This sound like something macros would need to be used for.
07:13:11FromGitter<Varriount> You could possibly use the quoting procedure in the macros module to help though.
07:14:21FromGitter<7sDream> Why simple function like `system.+` is not `procvar`?
07:18:00FromGitter<alehander42> I am using fish too
07:18:11FromGitter<alehander42> like it a lot
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07:34:21FromGitter<mratsim> @7sDream, + is a builtin function, builtin function like inline functions are not proctor, there is no function pointer to pass.
07:34:46FromGitter<mratsim> use a template for injection or wrap them in a proc
07:35:14FromGitter<7sDream> thx u for explaining!
07:36:43FromGitter<mratsim> procvar not proctor ...
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07:53:48PerkolOn windows install page, there are dlls archive where I am supposed to place them?
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07:59:45PMunchFor PCRE and OpenSSL?
08:05:56PerkolYes
08:07:00PMunchNot sure how Windows loads DLLs, but I would guess either some common DLL folder, in some kind of PATH variable, or just right next to the Nim compiler itself
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08:12:23FromGitter<mratsim> It loads DLL from hell ;)
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08:15:33FromGitter<mratsim> @Varriount, I had a look at commandant, interesting and super clean.
08:16:06FromGitter<mratsim> By the way, I’m not an expert on lexing, but what do you think of the lexbase module, what does it lack? https://nim-lang.org/docs/lexbase.html
08:19:19FromGitter<mratsim> This made me chuckle:
08:19:31FromGitter<mratsim> (https://files.gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim/7vLg/2018-06-18_10-18-59.png)
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08:25:19Perkolhttps://bpaste.net/show/666283fda0f7 I try to find location of my exe's dir on windows, yet it doesnt prints it on screen for some reason
08:27:05PerkolMaybe it interprets \ as line breaks?
08:27:50Perkolas escape char i mean
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09:07:22FromGitter<7sDream> ```code paste, see link``` ⏎ ⏎ New to Nim's Concept feature. What's wrong with my code? [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5b27764afc041c70d9aa46a7]
09:08:17FromGitter<7sDream> it cause a type mismatch when compile ⏎ if anyone want to run it: https://glot.io/snippets/f23gfctae9
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09:14:14nc-x@mratsim: Apparently me and Araq are the only ones bitten by it ;D
09:15:12dom96lol
09:17:23nc-xPerkol: if `len` is 14 then something should have been printed. try `echo output.repr` and see what it prints.
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09:28:45FromGitter<bevo009> Hey guys, I know the mod/%% operator is designed for remainder division with integers ⏎ Floats using mod do compile when you import math...what is enabling that?
09:28:55FromGitter<bevo009> #mod Vs %% - operand test ⏎ ⏎ import math ⏎ ⏎ echo 7 mod 2 # => 1 ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5b277b56c016730d8667096d]
09:30:06FromGitter<bevo009> also, how do you guys paste code in here and get that ide look?
09:30:37dom96https://github.github.com/gfm/#fenced-code-blocks
09:30:41FromGitter<bevo009> Sorry, that looks all messed up now
09:31:05dom96You can put the language name after the first three `
09:31:34FromGitter<bevo009> o h like the forum
09:31:39FromGitter<dom96> yep
09:33:08FromGitter<bevo009> ok fixed, thanks
09:35:01FromGitter<mratsim> @bevo009 https://nim-lang.org/docs/math.html#mod,T,T
09:35:05FromGitter<Vindaar> @bevo009 regarding your question: if you search for mod on the index of the documentation here: https://nim-lang.org/docs/theindex.html#%60mod%60 you'll see that `math` defines a mod for float
09:38:46FromGitter<bevo009> cheers, https://nim-lang.org/docs/math.html#mod,T,T
09:39:56FromGitter<bevo009> ouput looks a little inconsistent, or at least unintuitive
09:40:26FromGitter<bevo009> Why does echo 7 mod 2.0 fail?
09:42:16FromGitter<Vindaar> See my link. You'll see that there is no `mod` proc, which defines a mod for two different types. And in Nim implicit type casting does not happen between most types (e.g. an `int` cast to a `float` without you saying so)
09:44:25FromGitter<bevo009> Sorry, I meant, why does 7.0 mod 2 compile, and 7 mod 2.0 does not?
09:45:01FromGitter<GULPF> `7.0 mod 2` works because integer literals are magical and can be converted to floats automatically
09:46:00FromGitter<GULPF> but it's buggy and unreliable when combined with generic procs like mod, which is why `7 mod 2.0` fails
09:51:43FromGitter<bevo009> So the compiler uses the mod present in the system module to calculate remainder ⏎ But if you import math, is the mod present in the math module now working on all mod operations? ⏎ Or does the compiler determine if a float is present, and switch on the fly?
09:51:57FromGitter<mratsim> when a proc accepts 2 parameters that are supposed to be of the same type, Nim tries to convert the second one to the type of the first using a converter (or automatically if the second is an int literal). There is no converter from float to int.
09:52:24FromGitter<mratsim> you can import lenient_ops though if you want this behaviour
09:52:41FromGitter<mratsim> @bevo009 yes that’s called proc overloading
09:53:21FromGitter<mratsim> if you import math, it’s present on all operations in the current file/module
09:55:24FromGitter<bevo009> So that yes was to the math module mod taking over all mod operations once imported in
09:56:49FromGitter<bevo009> And I assume mod's alias, the %% operator, doesn't work on any floats because it's actually a IntMax32 variant
09:57:38FromGitter<bevo009> valuable info for me to log, cheers guys
10:01:53FromGitter<mratsim> it does not take over
10:02:59FromGitter<mratsim> the compiler choose which one to call depending on the types of the parameters. Note that int literals (123 for example not x) are are convertible silently to any other numeric type.
10:04:00FromGitter<mratsim> if you do 10 mod 2, it will still use the integer mod, and gives you an integer result
10:05:10FromGitter<mratsim> If you import my big int library: https://github.com/status-im/nim-stint, you will have mod for uint128, uint256, … uint2048 but it will be specialized to them, the compiler will choose which one to call depending on the types.
10:12:31def-bevo009: %% is not an alias for `mod`, it interprets the numbers as unsigned ints and comes from a time before Nim had unsigned int support
10:14:29def-strangely enough you're not the first one to assume that even though the documentation is quite clear
10:15:33def-I guess the %-suffixed procs should be deprecated in favour of using unsigned ints
10:18:13FromGitter<bevo009> the documentation might be clear but I haven't read it all yet
10:18:47FromGitter<bevo009> I thought it was Araq who said it t was an alias
10:19:02FromGitter<bevo009> but I can't remember exactly where now
10:20:17FromGitter<bevo009> thanks for the clarification
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11:45:26FromGitter<narimiran> hey @mratsim, maybe you could help me. i'm on a new linux computer, i have installed Neo and now i get either "could not import: cblas_sscal" or "could not load: libopenblas.so(||.3|.2|.1|.0)". do you maybe know what's wrong?
11:55:05FromGitter<mratsim> apt-get install openblas?
11:56:21FromGitter<mratsim> you can check my Travis here: https://github.com/mratsim/Arraymancer/blob/afc0c213316b4d98002fbb118551a4de9b67e217/.travis.yml#L45-L50
11:56:33FromGitter<mratsim> on Ubuntu: apt-get install libopenblas-dev
11:57:36FromGitter<mratsim> also depending on the name you might need to pass --define:blas=blas or --define:blas=openblas or --define:blas=libopenblas
12:00:24FromGitter<narimiran> i tried installing openblas and change my .cfg to have a line `define:"blas=openblas"`, but it didn't help
12:00:44FromGitter<narimiran> it seems it works with `define:"blas=cblas"` :/
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12:06:00FromGitter<narimiran> i think it might be because i use manjaro, which has openblas 0.3.0 - on a computer where i have an older version it seems it works without a problem
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12:14:47FromGitter<mratsim> cblas is the default name I think, so it’s possible that the distro packager used that name instead of the more common blas/openblas/libopenblas
12:17:19elroodcblas is just the c interface to blas, it still requires blas or openblas to be installed. at least on arch / manjaro they're separate packages
12:18:05FromGitter<narimiran> indeed. by default i had blas and lapack. then i installed cblas, and defined "blas=cblas" - this works.
12:18:42FromGitter<narimiran> when i try to install openblas (blas is uninstalled automatically) and use it with "blas=openblas", i get an error
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13:36:02endragorIs it possible to make proc f[T: int]() also work on `distinct int`?
13:39:44subsetparkYou mean aside from making it `int | MyDistinctInt`?
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13:48:15shashlickPmunch: check out nimpcre if you want to avoid the pcre dll
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14:07:56nc-x@data-man: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/7902#issuecomment-398058449 What happened?
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14:09:49PMunchshashlick, I wasn't the one asking about DLLs. I was trying to answer :P
14:10:03PMunchBut I've looked at nimpcre before, for compile-time running
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14:27:10FromGitter<Varriount> There's also nim-regex
14:31:55PMunchOh, maybe that was the one I looked at. Just remember it was a pure Nim regex implementation
14:32:05FromGitter<mratsim> @endragor @subsetpark proc f(x: YourDistintInt) {.borrow.}, note that borrow is broken with generics iirc
14:32:47FromGitter<mratsim> ah no, it’s broken with static, my bad - https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/7552
14:33:20FromGitter<mratsim> actually it’s broken with both, fix: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/6232
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14:40:23subsetparkmratsim - I know about borrow, but my interpretation was that he was trying to go in the other direction (which isn't possible with my suggestion either): "proc P should apply to all subtypes, even distinct ones", as opposed to "in the case of proc P, subtype T' should not behave like distinct"
14:41:34FromGitter<sivakon> How many threads can we create using threadpool?
14:42:13FromGitter<sivakon> Is there a good actor library for Nim?
14:42:19FromGitter<mratsim> I suppose a macro called {.superborrow.} should try to get all the valid types?
14:42:53FromGitter<mratsim> @sivakon, how many as you want. For actors there is Nimoy, monster ont he forum started one as well but I’m not sure he open-sourced it
14:43:30FromGitter<sivakon> 4 million threads?
14:45:36PerkolHow do I make already existing string a raw one?
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14:47:05FromGitter<sivakon> @mratsim nimoy is no last committed 1year ago
14:47:08FromGitter<mratsim> @sivakon threadpools are heavy threads, what you’re looking for are coroutines/fiber/green threads
14:47:26FromGitter<mratsim> but there is no library that abstract that in Nim
14:47:50FromGitter<sivakon> @mratsim does Nim have coroutine short ?
14:48:17FromGitter<sivakon> Go style coroutines are implemented in C. Can I wrap that?
14:48:32FromGitter<mratsim> https://nim-lang.org/docs/coro.html
14:48:54FromGitter<mratsim> And fedback on writing an actor library: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/3291
14:49:45FromGitter<mratsim> you can wrap any C code yes.
14:50:46FromGitter<tim-st> Good news: nim will get the quickest Unicode Collation Algorithm:
14:50:49FromGitter<sivakon> https://github.com/sustrik/libdill
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14:53:46FromGitter<sivakon> @mratsim Scala has akka which is awesome. Rust has actix now as well.
14:55:27Perkolhttps://bpaste.net/show/9c841ea2489b Still figuring out what this is about.
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15:00:09PerkolIt writes this string perfectly normally to file, though
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15:05:37elroodsivakon, last we checked goroutines required some assembler though
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15:41:26FromGitter<Varriount> @mratsim I've been using the Nim compiler as inspiration for parts of the design.
15:43:39FromGitter<mratsim> I don’t see any object variant though ;)
15:47:12PMunchHmm, the Gitter bot seems to be a bit unstable today
15:51:55FromGitter<Varriount> @mratsim The compiler's AST nodes use variants
15:52:15FromGitter<mratsim> but not your code
15:52:26FromGitter<mratsim> well there is one but with no optional field
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16:08:34FromGitter<ephja> nc-x: see the newer comments
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16:11:27FromGitter<ephja> 😕
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16:14:19FromGitter<sivakon> Why is asynchttp so slow? https://github.com/costajob/app-servers
16:15:26Yardanicobecause it's not supposed to be "blazingly fast"?
16:15:32Yardanicotry with mofuw or httpbeast :)
16:15:49Yardanicomofuw will surely be in top3
16:18:09Yardanicoand I consider this benchmark unfair
16:18:16Yardanicoit tests both one-threaded and multi-threaded servers
16:18:51Yardanicoah, sorry - https://github.com/costajob/app-servers/commit/2afce56331a9c7f74da748aef398a79264eced00
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16:26:53FromGitter<ephja> note the lack of parallelism at this point in time
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16:39:29Electruxis there a push notifications library for Nim?
16:40:04Electruxhi everyone btw :)
16:40:39PMunchElectrux, push notification to what?
16:41:50Electruxto OS? like Mac's push notifications or Linux's
16:42:02ElectruxLinux has dbus, dunst and things like that
16:42:12Electruxand Mac has some API for notifications as well
16:42:44FromGitter<kaushalmodi> PMunch: Maybe Electrux is looking for something like this in Nim: https://github.com/variadico/noti
16:42:59PMunchOh you're wondering if there is a cross-platform way to create a desktop notification
16:43:46PMunchPush notification typically means that the notification comes from somewhere outside your system
16:44:08FromGitter<kaushalmodi> PMunch: That noti app does that
16:44:12Electruxalmost Kaushalmodi... i just wanna send a notification programmatically
16:44:48Electruxas in, in the most simplistic form, i call a function, a notification pops up on my system
16:45:20PMunchWell there is this for Mac: https://github.com/dom96/notifications
16:45:31PMunchAnd this for Linux: https://github.com/FedericoCeratto/nim-libnotify
16:46:09PMunchI could swear that there was a cross platform thing for this though..
16:46:15FromGitter<kaushalmodi> `nimble search noti` :)
16:46:29dom96Should be trivial to use both libraries :)