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| 00:26:57 | FromDiscord | <transclusivity> In reply to @shalokshalom "Effortless security": without the compromise :p |
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| 03:36:24 | FromDiscord | <kapendev> I am all for embracing skill issue. |
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| 08:38:29 | FromDiscord | <indelusionalizationary> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/UPnDEoac |
| 08:39:05 | FromDiscord | <indelusionalizationary> In reply to @eebahn "nim's entry point is": three? |
| 08:40:35 | FromDiscord | <indelusionalizationary> (edit) "In reply to @eebahn "nim's entry point is": three?" => "sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/NpMCTCkq" |
| 08:44:10 | Amun-Ra | I use nim python anc C almost exclusively (and zig on rare ocasions); I tried to be a friend with rust but our relationship failed |
| 08:46:03 | Amun-Ra | true, the rust community is awful but that's something I've never cared about |
| 09:03:03 | FromDiscord | <kapendev> I am dealing with Rust right now because of wit-bindgen and I hate it lol. |
| 09:27:39 | FromDiscord | <dyingupnorth> I just discovered Nim a week ago and I have been learning it everyday extensively since then. This is the most fun I have ever had programming, I started as a brand new programmer a year ago and I have only done Python, Nim is such a elegant beautiful language |
| 09:31:53 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @dyingupnorth "I just discovered Nim": i remember those being some of my first emotions towards nim as well when i first got started with it :) |
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| 10:11:42 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> c, nim, zig↵(@indelusionalizationary) |
| 11:07:46 | Amun-Ra | what I (ab)use the most are probably distinct types |
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| 11:37:28 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @eebahn "nim's entry point is": zig looks extremely overhyped |
| 11:37:51 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> Just like rust, people would do the same "just rewrite in zig" |
| 11:38:07 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> And everyone hates that type of programmer |
| 11:38:59 | Amun-Ra | zig doesn't have rust's zealotry |
| 11:39:07 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> Luckily no one is saying 'just rewrite in x' here.↵Haven't seen the 'rewrite in zig' folk tbh. |
| 11:39:44 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> anyway, guys you have to check out my nim rewrite of `sudo`!!!11111 |
| 11:39:44 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @mr_rowboto "Luckily no one is": You will see after 6 years lol |
| 11:39:52 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @mr_rowboto "anyway, guys you have": YESSS |
| 11:39:54 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> SHOWWW |
| 11:40:01 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> \ segfaults |
| 11:40:09 | Amun-Ra | call it p-sudo-nim |
| 11:40:11 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @mr_rowboto "\* segfaults *": :p |
| 11:40:23 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @Amun-Ra "call it p-sudo-nim": doas-sudo-nim? |
| 11:40:27 | Amun-Ra | ;) |
| 11:41:55 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> In reply to @nevillegg "You will see after": tbh I've been orbiting zig for a while... not even near as toxic as rust.↵I think it's because Andrew is very measured and his strategy is not to REEPLAAACCCCC but just to provide an excellent tool to build native code.↵The fact that Uber is usign Zig to cross compile zig is just an excellent example of what rust was supposed to be doing. |
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| 11:42:12 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> (edit) "near" => "close to be" |
| 11:42:30 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> (edit) "usign" => "using" |
| 11:42:52 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @mr_rowboto "tbh I've been orbiting": Btw |
| 11:42:58 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> Zig having a code of conduct. |
| 11:43:07 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> Is a big red flag for me. |
| 11:43:39 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> Well, it's def a flag for me... how bad is it? |
| 11:44:09 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> Are developers required to wear pink cyan and white socks? |
| 11:44:44 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @mr_rowboto "Are developers required to": Not sure lol |
| 11:44:48 | Amun-Ra | https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct/ |
| 11:44:58 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> reading |
| 11:45:12 | Amun-Ra | I'm all for no llm/ai policy |
| 11:45:25 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @Amun-Ra "I'm all for no": huh |
| 11:45:39 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @Amun-Ra "I'm all for no": Do you agree that llms help us when searchign stuff |
| 11:45:59 | Amun-Ra | nevillegg: yes but I'm not talking about this |
| 11:46:13 | Amun-Ra | I'm against writing ai slop prs |
| 11:46:23 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @Amun-Ra "<@1178997991697305641>: yes but I'm": you are talking about like, ai slop stuff, ai written code |
| 11:46:26 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> right? |
| 11:46:35 | Amun-Ra | right |
| 11:46:42 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> hm |
| 11:46:45 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> Ok, read, it's not that bad. |
| 11:46:47 | Amun-Ra | so called vibe coded PRs |
| 11:47:03 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @Amun-Ra "so called vibe coded": definitely agreed it sucks |
| 11:47:09 | Amun-Ra | mr_rowboto: true, as much as I don't like CoCs, that one's not bad |
| 11:47:24 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> Vibe coding shouldnt be on floss projects |
| 11:47:31 | Amun-Ra | true |
| 11:47:41 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> my only point would be the "inclusive language" part because it has already a bad rep and is usually weaponized. |
| 11:47:58 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> but in any case that's up to the community (and Andrew) for interpretation |
| 11:47:59 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> so it's fine |
| 11:48:26 | Amun-Ra | mr_rowboto: yes, that one can be weaponized and can quickly turn into politics |
| 11:48:27 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @mr_rowboto "my only point would": Definitely agreed |
| 11:48:54 | Amun-Ra | and thought police |
| 11:48:57 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> It's not overblown at all. In the end any law can be weaponized. |
| 11:49:08 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> Even the "fair" ones. |
| 11:49:13 | Amun-Ra | mr_rowboto: not the law of gravity |
| 11:49:16 | * | Amun-Ra runs |
| 11:49:18 | Amun-Ra | ;) |
| 11:49:20 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> In reply to @Amun-Ra "<@176460389662457856>: not the law": ... |
| 11:49:28 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> _specially_ the law of gravity |
| 11:49:41 | Amun-Ra | then again you may be right |
| 11:49:46 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1481620214494924952/metal-gears-are-my-favorite-mecha-v0-3m8n9jrqec6f1.webp?ex=69b3f9da&is=69b2a85a&hm=dc399e4c68a5ad8a8a1d9ad69cff0a1e01f6d1db0d62848d4a69c6ca049d3683& |
| 11:49:49 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @mr_rowboto "Even the "fair" ones.": anything can be weaponized these days |
| 11:51:41 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=lOnkPWPS |
| 11:52:24 | Amun-Ra | I finished implementing wasm-wasi target and I gotta say it works perfectly |
| 11:53:01 | Amun-Ra | it only required implementing a few js glue functions |
| 11:54:15 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @Amun-Ra "so called vibe coded": Hey what about taking help from AI? Like asking stuff like is there is X library in nimble and stuff? Not code. |
| 11:54:20 | Amun-Ra | works much better than emcc one |
| 11:54:56 | Amun-Ra | nevillegg: that's perfectly fine |
| 11:55:15 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> In reply to @Amun-Ra "<@1178997991697305641>: that's perfectly fine": hm |
| 11:55:55 | FromDiscord | <nevillegg> a |
| 11:56:32 | Amun-Ra | I'm only against vibe coding something without any grasp how things one's vibing works; that also applies to finding "bugs" with AI without checking and any understanding the output |
| 11:57:58 | Amun-Ra | I used AI for that wasi js glue - AI generated skeleton functions I filled the code into; I use it like google alternative (google is unusable nowadays) |
| 11:58:50 | Amun-Ra | just don't ask AI for things hard to find online… it'll lie to you ;) |
| 12:44:47 | Amun-Ra | if anyone wants to test it / 'steal' the wasi glue logic: https://retro.rocks/poirot/wasm/ |
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| 13:55:55 | FromDiscord | <mratsim> @[Next-System] systemblue re https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003530/845770858470965258/1477345099183821083↵↵This is absolutely forbidden in crypto, data-dependent branches MUST NOT be handling secrets: https://github.com/systemblue333/Nim-Cryptography/blob/15a148256d62002a9f932233d35aa028ab5d320b/src/Cryptography/block/aes.nim#L1017-L1018 |
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| 13:59:39 | FromDiscord | <shalokshalom> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/LCEnCemN |
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