| 00:00:35 | dom96 | And happy new year everyone, again. |
| 00:03:32 | reactormonk | dom96, \o/ |
| 00:04:23 | dom96 | reactormonk: :D |
| 00:04:30 | * | dom96 wonders what timezone everyone is in |
| 00:05:08 | AlexLibman | My `date +%s` says 1356998677. |
| 00:05:53 | AlexLibman | I'm still in the NHFT (New Hampshire Freedom Time) time zone, even though I've fled back to New Jersey. Free Staters are scary... |
| 00:15:57 | dom96 | Ahh, so you've still got some time left :P |
| 00:16:11 | dom96 | I'm GMT |
| 00:16:23 | reactormonk | same here, GMT+6 or similar (CET) |
| 00:17:56 | dom96 | Well I posted this on the forum: http://forum.nimrod-code.org/t/115 |
| 00:18:01 | dom96 | Because why not :) |
| 00:18:24 | AlexLibman | :) |
| 00:19:26 | AlexLibman | I wonder if, when I reach level-17 UNIX enlightenment, I will be able to tell time just from the epoch int. |
| 00:21:18 | dom96 | Is there a school which trains you in UNIX enlightenment, because I will definitely attend. Telling time from the epoch int seems like a very good skill especially when the apocalypse happens, well, as long as computers still work. |
| 00:22:13 | AlexLibman | Maybe if we add some colons to it... 13:56:99:86:77 |
| 00:23:36 | AlexLibman | The right-most 100 seconds is the new mental equivalent to about a minute. When someone says "I'll be back in 5", 500 seconds is already more likely to be closer to the duration of their absence than 300 seconds. :P |
| 00:26:33 | AlexLibman | The next division (second from the right) would be the new mental equivalent to hours, though greater by a factor of 2.77778... About 3 of those make a typical workday, which is now easier to divide into 3 equal parts for breaks. |
| 00:27:06 | dom96 | ok, you deserve level 17. :P |
| 00:27:14 | AlexLibman | I am only an egg. |
| 00:27:31 | * | AlexLibman cracks, |
| 00:27:39 | AlexLibman | I am only an omlet. |
| 00:28:07 | dom96 | I'm a human. |
| 00:28:16 | * | dom96 eats you |
| 00:28:39 | AlexLibman | ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land ) |
| 01:08:44 | Araq | dom96: what is #efnet? |
| 01:08:59 | dom96 | Araq: happy new year! |
| 01:09:06 | dom96 | It's a channel for this IRC network. |
| 01:09:16 | Araq | I already said that :P |
| 01:09:25 | Araq | but fine: happy new year! |
| 01:09:54 | Araq | it's a channel for this network? |
| 01:10:04 | Araq | what does that really mean? |
| 01:10:06 | dom96 | well, by 'this' I mean Efnet :P |
| 01:10:13 | dom96 | It's a channel for the efnet network |
| 01:10:23 | Araq | well |
| 01:10:35 | Araq | can I complain there about net splits? |
| 01:10:45 | dom96 | There was a security issue with ratbox (an ircd), and they were talking about it |
| 01:11:07 | dom96 | And I was interested |
| 01:11:08 | dom96 | so I joined |
| 01:11:56 | dom96 | and they were talking about languages suitable for implementing an ircd |
| 01:12:03 | dom96 | Araq: Not about freenode netsplits |
| 01:12:13 | dom96 | The channel is about the EFNet IRC network |
| 01:12:15 | AlexLibman | Efnet?! I thought this was freenode! Have I been drinking? |
| 01:12:23 | dom96 | to complain about freenode join #freenode ;) |
| 01:12:50 | Araq | weird, q66 is not in #freenode ... |
| 01:13:16 | dom96 | but yeah, #efnet ignored me |
| 01:15:02 | Araq | nice of them ... |
| 01:15:06 | dom96 | Araq: I rolled out the new nimbuild. |
| 01:15:17 | Araq | dom96: I noticed, congratulations :-) |
| 01:15:25 | dom96 | :) |
| 01:15:27 | Araq | what about the old nimbuild? |
| 01:15:35 | dom96 | it's backed up |
| 01:15:38 | dom96 | but it's not running |
| 01:16:04 | Araq | and nimbot is the new bot as well? |
| 01:16:15 | dom96 | yep |
| 01:16:28 | dom96 | !repos |
| 01:16:28 | NimBot | Announced repos: Araq/Nimrod |
| 01:16:41 | Araq | worked around the marshal bug then? |
| 01:17:01 | dom96 | nope |
| 01:17:13 | Araq | and that means? |
| 01:17:25 | dom96 | It's fine as long as there is no old config file |
| 01:17:37 | Araq | alright XD |
| 01:18:33 | Araq | so ... I know you all want to run SDL at compile time |
| 01:18:50 | Araq | and that it's the most important feature left |
| 01:18:59 | Araq | so I'm working on that :P |
| 01:19:00 | dom96 | of course |
| 01:19:15 | * | AshleyWaffle12 joined #nimrod |
| 01:19:56 | dom96 | hello AshleyWaffle12 |
| 01:20:03 | AshleyWaffle12 | Hi |
| 01:20:18 | AshleyWaffle12 | So what's NimRod? |
| 01:20:19 | Araq | welcome AshleyWaffle12 |
| 01:20:57 | AlexLibman | AshleyWaffle12: the programming language I've been hoping for. Almost as aesthetically pleasing as Python, almost as fast as C! |
| 01:21:46 | AlexLibman | Too bad it's still GPL... :( |
| 01:21:57 | AshleyWaffle12 | lol |
| 01:22:00 | Araq | and 'almost' finished ;-) |
| 01:23:10 | AlexLibman | Can we say it's almost copyfree? ::nudge:: ::nudge:: |
| 01:23:31 | AlexLibman | C'mon, new year, new license. What ya say? 8-) |
| 01:23:48 | Araq | sure, let me repeat: the 'eval' feature pretty much requires a license change anyway |
| 01:24:21 | AlexLibman | I missed what you said about eval... |
| 01:24:23 | AshleyWaffle12 | Araq: Libman's in a lively mood today, might want to enjoy it while it lasts ;) |
| 01:24:38 | AshleyWaffle12 | Araq: Yes, do repeat :) |
| 01:25:15 | Araq | well we already have a Nimrod interpreter in the compiler for all the advanced compile-time features |
| 01:25:30 | Araq | and I'm improving it and putting it into the stdlib |
| 01:25:54 | Araq | so you can do: eval """echo "welcome" """ |
| 01:26:25 | Araq | basically this turns large parts of the compiler into a library |
| 01:26:42 | Araq | which means we would have a GPL'ed library which is not good ;-) |
| 01:27:56 | AshleyWaffle12 | Yay :D |
| 01:28:04 | AshleyWaffle12 | Araq: You made libman very happy ;) |
| 01:28:34 | dom96 | AshleyWaffle12: So you're a copyfree advocate too? |
| 01:29:16 | AshleyWaffle12 | dom96: Not yet, I'm waiting for Libman to finish brainwashing me in ##copyfree |
| 01:29:27 | AshleyWaffle12 | I haven't figured out the point of CopyFree vs GPL yet... |
| 01:30:07 | AshleyWaffle12 | I trust him to do the brainwashing, since we're both (and a few others I see hanging out in here) hardcore libertarians (or close to it anyway, I know Libman might object to the term) |
| 01:30:57 | Araq | unfortunately you don't seem to care about my freedom to sue somebody :P |
| 01:31:01 | dom96 | I see. Well i'm glad this channel is increasing in size :) |
| 01:31:08 | AshleyWaffle12 | Hehe |
| 01:31:18 | AshleyWaffle12 | Araq: That's what arbitration is for. |
| 01:31:33 | AshleyWaffle12 | Araq: I'm not suited to give an introduction to anarcho-capitalism, ask an expert! :D |
| 01:31:40 | * | AlexLibman is a rationalist first, individualist second, libertarian third, lover fifth... |
| 01:31:49 | AshleyWaffle12 | AlexLibman: And fourth? |
| 01:31:52 | Araq | arbitration? I can't follow |
| 01:32:17 | AlexLibman | "Gradualist" also fits in there somewhere. |
| 01:33:02 | AshleyWaffle12 | Araq: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism |
| 01:33:12 | AshleyWaffle12 | AlexLibman: What is a gradualist? |
| 01:33:14 | AshleyWaffle12 | Like incrementalism? |
| 01:34:26 | AlexLibman | Pure free market capitalism would take many decades / centuries to implement. |
| 01:34:53 | AlexLibman | Doing "shock therapy" is unfair. I've lived through the collapse of USSR, it ain't pretty. People and thus markets need time to adjust. |
| 01:35:41 | AlexLibman | So gradualist libertarians want to phase out the government slowly, like quitting an addictive drug, in a way that does the least harm. |
| 01:35:54 | Araq | "Anarcho-capitalism"? isn't that called "Rapture"? |
| 01:36:13 | AlexLibman | No. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard |
| 01:37:34 | AlexLibman | I don't like the term. There's nothing "anarchic" about it. Pure free market capitalism leads to a free competition among hierarchies based on things like Contract Rights and Parents' Rights. |
| 01:37:40 | AshleyWaffle12 | AlexLibman: Hmm, I agree with that, but I'd like to apply a patch to it |
| 01:38:03 | AshleyWaffle12 | You see, I think that sort of thing has an exponential curve (of some shape, anyway) |
| 01:38:17 | AshleyWaffle12 | It may very well take centuries, but there will still be an acceleration factor |
| 01:38:30 | AshleyWaffle12 | So as we approach freedom, the rate of approach will increase |
| 01:38:42 | AlexLibman | It will happen in some places quickly, in others slowly. |
| 01:38:46 | AshleyWaffle12 | The more free people are, the more free they are to increase their freedom - sounds exponential to me |
| 01:38:48 | AshleyWaffle12 | AlexLibman: Agreed |
| 01:39:04 | AshleyWaffle12 | AlexLibman: Agorism seems to be the most efficient way, with the least "withdrawl risk" |
| 01:39:07 | AlexLibman | Intergovernmental competition will ensure the freest places will get the most brains and capital, until the more socialist places run out of competent people to tax and must reform. |
| 01:39:10 | AshleyWaffle12 | Or some variation of it, perhaps |
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| 01:40:01 | AshleyWaffle12 | Yes, and if even a small tiny agora forms somewhere near a high population center, it could cause a "freedom singularity" where it quickly grows due to improved employment opportunities and the like |
| 01:40:14 | AshleyWaffle12 | Under the right conditions, of course |
| 01:40:25 | AlexLibman | Things happening too quickly can be a bad thing too. |
| 01:40:55 | Araq | you are all aware of this, right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J47ENHSomc8 |
| 01:40:56 | AlexLibman | If USA goes 100% free market overnight, people depending on government would cause much instability. |
| 01:41:27 | AlexLibman | Araq: yeah, what of it? |
| 01:41:41 | AshleyWaffle12 | Araq: Yes, but that's a different philosophy; that's Objectivism |
| 01:41:45 | AshleyWaffle12 | Araq: Objectivists claim to hate "libertarians" and "anarchists" |
| 01:42:07 | Araq | well you seem to advocate something very similar |
| 01:42:08 | AlexLibman | A silly fictional jab that doesn't get within a lightyear of the ideas it thinks it's attacking. |
| 01:42:31 | AlexLibman | I didn't mean to invade your channel with this political discussion. |
| 01:42:50 | AlexLibman | Which, BTW, isn't directly related to the issue of copyleft vs copyfree. |
| 01:42:58 | Araq | don't worry, I was about to stop it ;-) |
| 01:43:06 | AshleyWaffle12 | AlexLibman: Yes, but remember that the /primary/ factor is the ability and willingness of the people to adjust, not time itself |
| 01:43:06 | AshleyWaffle12 | The earth completes a full orbit of the sun in 365 days for a _reason_ not just because of itself |
| 01:43:06 | AshleyWaffle12 | And, people can be a very volatile factor |
| 01:43:15 | Araq | interesting as it may be, it doesn't belong to #nimrod |
| 01:43:24 | AlexLibman | Yup, AshleyWaffle12, let's can it. |
| 01:43:34 | AshleyWaffle12 | Araq: Sure, fair enough - just PM me if you want some cool channels to visit. |
| 01:43:38 | AshleyWaffle12 | Back to nimrod |
| 01:43:51 | AshleyWaffle12 | So, I notice you can convert C to Nimrod, correct? |
| 01:43:55 | AlexLibman | AshleyWaffle12: you like python right? C'mon, all kids like python. ;) |
| 01:44:37 | AshleyWaffle12 | Hehe, multi-dimensional arrays were a no-show, so my enjoyment of it was also a no-show |
| 01:45:28 | AlexLibman | AshleyWaffle12 might be drunk. Hard to tell... |
| 01:46:05 | AshleyWaffle12 | No, whenever I act drunk it's because I'm tired |
| 01:46:11 | AshleyWaffle12 | But I'm not *that* tired right now |
| 01:46:31 | dom96 | AshleyWaffle12: yes, kind. c2nim does a very nice job with that. |
| 01:46:36 | dom96 | You might have to tweak the c code a bit. |
| 01:47:04 | Araq | in fact, you *do* have to tweak the C code |
| 01:47:25 | Araq | never found a single real world header that didn't require tweaking |
| 01:47:33 | Araq | but it's still very useful |
| 01:48:04 | AshleyWaffle12 | dom96: I'd imagine some "interesting" things would happen if I tried to convert the Linux kernel, LLVM/clang, FreeBSD's kernel, etc... |
| 01:48:04 | AshleyWaffle12 | I mean, is it feasible to convert big projects like that? |
| 01:48:32 | AlexLibman | Yes. You'll just need to hire a lot of people in India to do it. |
| 01:48:50 | AlexLibman | Maybe c2nim can integrate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Mechanical_Turk |
| 01:48:55 | AlexLibman | :P |
| 01:49:14 | Araq | hrm I wouldn't convert a kernel with it yet |
| 01:50:04 | AlexLibman | Like I said in one of my slashdot rants, UNIX is UNIX, and its philosophy is a perfect fit for C. |
| 01:50:40 | AlexLibman | What we need is to think beyond UNIX and OS'es that will be written in new next-gen programming languages from scratch. |
| 01:51:02 | AshleyWaffle12 | Sounds good to me... :P |
| 01:51:02 | AshleyWaffle12 | Will they still require assembly? |
| 01:51:07 | AlexLibman | s/ and /, and of / |
| 01:51:25 | AlexLibman | Nothing really "requires assembly" anymore. |
| 01:51:33 | AshleyWaffle12 | So, does Nimrod work with LLVM? |
| 01:51:47 | AlexLibman | Even back in the 90s we could embed ASM into Turbo Pascal... |
| 01:51:58 | AshleyWaffle12 | Well, what about OS kernels? |
| 01:52:01 | AlexLibman | No, better - it generates C code, so you can use any compiler. |
| 01:52:53 | Araq | AshleyWaffle12: we have some toy kernels written in nimrod somewhere |
| 01:53:15 | AshleyWaffle12 | Haha |
| 01:53:18 | AlexLibman | Yes, but the "toys" they operate do nothing but vibrate. ::rimshot:: |
| 01:53:23 | AshleyWaffle12 | If you have a link, that'd be nice :) |
| 01:53:34 | AshleyWaffle12 | lol |
| 01:53:44 | Araq | dom96? uploaded your kernel somewhere? |
| 01:54:29 | dom96 | nah |
| 01:54:49 | AlexLibman | Don't bother on AshleyWaffle12's account. You can just distract him with shiny foil. |
| 01:55:50 | Araq | well apriori may upload his if he gets permission |
| 01:55:51 | AshleyWaffle12 | sigh |
| 01:55:57 | AshleyWaffle12 | I'm going to ignore AlexLibman now... |
| 01:56:15 | AshleyWaffle12 | He's a little *too* lively |
| 01:56:22 | AshleyWaffle12 | and fyi, I'm not a he -_- |
| 01:56:38 | * | AlexLibman is a skeptic. |
| 01:57:39 | AlexLibman | I don't believe in space aliens, bombs inside buildings on 9/11, or any women anywhere learning to use IRC. |
| 01:59:27 | AlexLibman | Well, maybe by the time you're pregnant with my second child, I'd believe it. |
| 01:59:57 | AlexLibman | (The first one can always be a fluke.) |
| 02:20:56 | Araq | good night everyone |
| 02:42:13 | AshleyWaffle12 | gnight Araq |
| 02:42:53 | q66 | night |
| 02:42:58 | dom96 | i'm away to sleep too |
| 02:43:00 | dom96 | good night everyone |
| 02:45:14 | AshleyWaffle12 | good night dom96 |
| 02:45:22 | AshleyWaffle12 | q66: You too? |
| 02:45:35 | q66 | nope :P |
| 02:45:41 | AshleyWaffle12 | yay :D |
| 02:45:41 | q66 | night dom96 |
| 02:45:41 | AshleyWaffle12 | cool |
| 02:45:51 | q66 | it's almost 4 AM, but fuck sleep :P |
| 02:45:57 | AshleyWaffle12 | q66: Agreed |
| 02:46:07 | AshleyWaffle12 | I've stayed up til 4:20AM before, I know the feeling ;) |
| 02:46:17 | AshleyWaffle12 | I just wish I was able to maintain sanity at that hour |
| 02:51:56 | q66 | for the last few days it was like 4:45 for me |
| 02:52:08 | q66 | and I maintain my sanity pretty well |
| 02:52:12 | AshleyWaffle12 | cool |
| 02:52:15 | AshleyWaffle12 | How do you do it? :) |
| 02:52:19 | AshleyWaffle12 | When do you get up? |
| 02:52:21 | q66 | probably because I wake up 1PM the next day :P |
| 02:52:44 | AshleyWaffle12 | Nice, I end up waking up at 2 myself :P |
| 02:52:47 | AshleyWaffle12 | you win |
| 02:53:26 | q66 | on Wednesday stuff will change and I'll be waking up at 7AM again |
| 02:53:37 | q66 | well, Thursday |
| 02:54:48 | q66 | hah, I see you're around ##copyfree as well |
| 02:55:04 | q66 | there are efforts to make this thing non-GPL :P |
| 02:56:46 | AshleyWaffle12 | heh :) |
| 03:00:48 | AlexLibman | 2 hours rill 2013 here |
| 03:02:07 | AlexLibman | non-GPL isn't the same as copyfree |
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| 07:35:24 | reactormonk | dom96, on what do you complete? just . or every context? |
| 11:56:21 | dom96 | reactormonk: currently just . |
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| 12:22:43 | NimBot | nimrod-code/nimbuild 984372f Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Fixed syntax error in irclog. |
| 12:22:43 | NimBot | nimrod-code/nimbuild fad9314 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Another irclog fix. |
| 12:22:43 | NimBot | nimrod-code/nimbuild 3478420 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Fixed not logging QUIT/NICK messages. |
| 13:40:36 | AlexLibman | From what I understand, use of nimrod's eval statement causes the resulting executable to include a bunch of nimrod's own interpreter code, where the GPL license would prevent it from being used in non-GPL-compatible projects...? |
| 13:41:36 | Araq | AlexLibman: that's what I said, yes |
| 13:42:13 | Araq | and is btw a much better reason for a license change then "omg, I hate the GPL" ;-) |
| 13:42:28 | Araq | (no offense) |
| 14:39:32 | * | AlexLibman prostrates himself before the master. |
| 14:40:20 | AlexLibman | I am humbled. :) |
| 14:41:14 | Araq | wow :-) |
| 15:34:55 | q66 | Araq, "I hate GPL" is not a reason, it's a consequence |
| 15:35:33 | Araq | sure but the real reasons haven't been given here |
| 15:35:36 | Araq | yet |
| 15:35:50 | Araq | but then they don't belong to #nimrod anyway |
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| 15:39:23 | q66 | Araq, the primary reason I would never use anything GPL in my project is that it induces a viral licensing mess |
| 15:39:30 | q66 | I want to make things easy for the users |
| 15:39:42 | q66 | that's not the case with compilers, because they don't affect projects written in them |
| 15:39:47 | q66 | but it's very much the case for libraries |
| 15:40:12 | q66 | also I'm not too fond of FSF's practices, and RMS is a zealot |
| 15:42:37 | Araq | alright but the reasons should start with "In particular the Nimrod compiler should not be GPL, because ..." ;-) |
| 15:43:18 | q66 | Araq, i don't have anything against the nimrod compiler being GPL as long as it doesn't limit me |
| 15:43:19 | Araq | but then you already said, you don't see a big problem with it being GPL, so ... |
| 15:43:28 | Araq | yeah ok |
| 15:43:28 | q66 | so no input from that side from me |
| 15:43:50 | q66 | i just wouldn't use it for my own projects and I don't like when libs are licensed under that |
| 15:46:55 | q66 | Araq, tbh, i'm very license-neutral, that's why I pick licenses that don't get in the way |
| 15:47:00 | q66 | I'm not interested in legal matters |
| 15:47:04 | q66 | I'm interested in code |
| 16:31:58 | apotheon | Araq: Seems that q66 would change his mind with the introduction of eval, though. |
| 16:36:11 | q66 | yes, definitely |
| 16:36:35 | Araq | well I agree so there is nothing to discuss ;-) |
| 16:43:07 | apotheon | excellent |
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| 17:09:19 | exhu | happy new year, everyone! |
| 17:09:35 | Araq | hi exhu, thanks |
| 17:09:54 | exhu | i've just read irc logs, spotted a talk about GPL license and eval. |
| 17:11:07 | Araq | yeah? |
| 17:11:13 | exhu | I understand it that as eval feature forces standard library and user code to be covered by GPL as well as the compiler code. |
| 17:11:45 | exhu | Am I right? |
| 17:13:45 | Araq | well the compiler is GPL so 'eval' would make your code GPL too |
| 17:13:55 | Araq | if you use it in your code, that is |
| 17:14:07 | Araq | as far as I know of course, I'm no lawyer |
| 17:14:12 | AlexLibman | hi exhu |
| 17:18:38 | exhu | This note should be put somewhere in the visible docs part, especially at eval function doc. Although i have not used it yet -) |
| 17:19:59 | apotheon | exhu: back atcha (re: new year) |
| 17:21:05 | Trixar_za | License talks seem to come up quite often |
| 17:21:24 | Trixar_za | Second one this year for me and it's only the first day :/ |
| 17:21:25 | exhu | there were some political talks as well -) |
| 17:21:37 | Trixar_za | Of course and e-drama :P |
| 17:21:40 | Trixar_za | But that's common |
| 17:21:58 | Trixar_za | Oh and one 'christian' saying how New Years is pagan |
| 17:21:59 | Trixar_za | :/ |
| 17:22:03 | apotheon | err |
| 17:22:08 | apotheon | silly |
| 17:22:37 | Trixar_za | I said worse than that. But yeah, hell is other people :P |
| 17:22:50 | apotheon | Trixar_za: Did you tell this "christian" that Jesus was actually born in the spring, and December 25 was stolen from Dies Natalis Solis Invicti? |
| 17:23:14 | Trixar_za | No, because he believed christmas was pagan too |
| 17:23:20 | Trixar_za | lol |
| 17:23:53 | Trixar_za | Funny enough, he does celebrate easter... |
| 17:23:53 | apotheon | Trixar_za: Have you heard about the French food critic who riffed off of Sartre to say that hell is other people at breakfast? |
| 17:23:58 | Trixar_za | Which is ironic if you think about it |
| 17:24:07 | apotheon | yeah |
| 17:24:15 | apotheon | That one's even more directly stolen from pagans. |
| 17:24:33 | apotheon | It still comes with rabbit and egg symbolism. |
| 17:25:17 | exhu | Word "pagan" is always associated with pagan metal (music) in my mind =) |
| 17:25:42 | apotheon | I pretty much just think "polytheistic religion and mythology". |
| 17:26:17 | apotheon | . . . though there's also so-called "neopaganism", which isn't necessarily any-theistic at all in any meaningful sense. |
| 17:26:48 | apotheon | exhu: Do you like things like folk metal and battle metal, too? |
| 17:27:06 | Araq | exhu: I'm not talking about system.eval |
| 17:27:10 | apotheon | I *love* the Rasputin cover by Turisas. |
| 17:27:12 | Araq | which should be renamed |
| 17:27:57 | Araq | I'm talking about a new 'eval' feature that I'm currently working on |
| 17:29:29 | exhu | Araq, I have no idea about the new "eval" feature then. I thought it was about system.eval. |
| 17:30:26 | Araq | it's a library that allows you to embed a Nimrod interpreter into your application |
| 17:30:36 | Araq | quite like Lua for instance |
| 17:32:49 | exhu | Araq, so nimrod for compiled code and scripting. Sounds interesting. |
| 17:33:41 | exhu | apotheon, just watching youtube rasputin by turisas, nice -) |
| 17:33:57 | apotheon | Araq: Is the eval of which you speak an implementation of the compsci sense of "eval"? |
| 17:34:04 | apotheon | exhu: Isn't that awesome? |
| 17:35:04 | Araq | apotheon: not really, a compsci 'eval' allows for scope capturing |
| 17:35:05 | exhu | apotheon, yeah, trully powerful -) |
| 17:35:36 | Araq | which is a few more versions away ;-) |
| 17:36:24 | apotheon | Araq: So . . . a partial implementation of such an eval, with possible plans to finish the implementation later. Right? |
| 17:36:49 | apotheon | Araq: That's in line with what I assumed you meant, but after discussion of system.eval I started wondering if I had made an unwarranted assumption. |
| 17:38:21 | Araq | apotheon: right |
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| 19:12:34 | Araq | hi gradha |
| 19:53:16 | gradha | hi Araq |
| 19:55:12 | Araq | ah now I remember, if you feel like it you could try to get Nimrod work for NaCl |
| 19:55:41 | Araq | I don't trust the other guy to return and actually do it ;-) |
| 19:56:04 | gradha | before that I have Android support on the list |
| 19:56:14 | gradha | but eventually I might reach NaCl |
| 19:57:40 | apotheon | Nimrod on NaCl sounds fun. |
| 19:57:43 | gradha | found more references for the wikipedia article resurrection http://dl.dropbox.com/u/145894/nimrod_coordinates.jpg |
| 19:59:19 | gradha | but now that you mention it, trusting me is not a good idea |
| 20:04:52 | Araq | aww ... why? |
| 20:06:40 | gradha | I tend to change opinions radically on a whim |
| 20:08:18 | gradha | but indeed cross platform development seems to be one of my fetishes, so... some browser implementation might happen if I tire of mobile |
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| 20:45:23 | reactormonk | ... just got the abbrev NaCL. slow me. |
| 20:45:50 | gradha | you can always ask |
| 20:46:50 | Araq | ping fowl |
| 20:57:43 | apotheon | reactormonk: It's table salt! |
| 21:27:25 | reactormonk | gradha, didn't bother :-) |
| 21:30:50 | reactormonk | dom96, I assume you thread the suggestion question? |
| 21:31:38 | reactormonk | Araq, you sure the hints from the compiler are in the stderr? |
| 21:34:03 | Araq | I'm quite sure they are in stdout |
| 21:34:51 | Araq | you may be able to make them stderr with the --stdout option |
| 21:35:02 | Araq | (don't ask why) |
| 21:45:10 | dom96 | reactormonk: yes. |
| 21:45:23 | dom96 | It used to not be threaded a little while back :P |
| 21:52:03 | Araq | hrm apparently sqlite is now a HTML 5 standard? |
| 21:53:51 | apotheon | Araq: WTF? Srsly? |
| 21:55:04 | Araq | nah, http://dev.w3.org/html5/webdatabase/ |
| 21:55:28 | Araq | "This document was on the W3C Recommendation track but specification work has stopped. The specification reached an impasse: all interested implementors have used the same SQL backend (Sqlite), but we need multiple independent implementations to proceed along a standardisation path." |
| 21:56:05 | apotheon | I see that. |
| 21:56:17 | apotheon | I guess it was going to be an HTML5 standard, but they dropped it. |
| 21:57:40 | Araq | yeah, they are working on an "indexed database api" instead |
| 21:58:30 | Araq | much better ... why standardize on something everybody agrees on? |
| 21:59:10 | Araq | but then they did just that for Javascript ... |
| 22:00:42 | Araq | I guess browser developers should simply stop inventing things and stop implementing things |
| 22:04:04 | apotheon | hrm |
| 22:04:08 | apotheon | stupid standards |
| 22:05:51 | dom96 | I prefer to have standards than to have Microsoft arbitrarily implement whatever the hell they want in IE. |
| 22:06:17 | Araq | it's 2013, nobody cares about IE :P |
| 22:06:55 | Araq | but alright it's marketshare is still big |
| 22:07:03 | Araq | *its |
| 22:07:45 | shevy | http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp |
| 22:07:52 | shevy | hmm 15% on tech sites |
| 22:09:45 | Araq | shevy: these statistics can't be right, they don't list Lynx ;-) |
| 22:13:08 | Araq | also ... chrome's marketshare is now bigger than firefox's? o.O |
| 22:13:49 | dom96 | I don't think w3schools is the most accurate :P |
| 22:13:50 | apotheon | Araq: Chrome has had a bigger marketshare than Firefox for a while. |
| 22:13:58 | apotheon | w3schools is not the only source for that |
| 22:14:15 | apotheon | Chrom(e|ium) has been the most popular browser for months. |
| 22:14:26 | Araq | well I do not keep up to date with this stuff |
| 22:14:30 | apotheon | I'm sure Android is part of the reason for that. |
| 22:14:43 | Araq | yeah I figured |
| 22:14:44 | dom96 | This is quite old, but: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/firefox-dips-below-20-percent-chrome-falls-internet-explorer-gains/ |
| 22:15:03 | dom96 | Firefox is still above Chrome |
| 22:15:45 | Araq | October 2012 is not that old, is it? |
| 22:18:29 | dom96 | Yeah, I guess it's fairly new. |
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| 23:07:45 | Araq | happy new year, apriori| |
| 23:08:07 | apriori| | hey Araq, happy new year.. and also to guys.. |
| 23:08:30 | apriori| | getting more crowded here, huh? |
| 23:09:32 | Araq | yeah a bit ;-) |
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