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09:57:02Sahnvourhi
09:57:36Sahnvournew nim user here, I have a noobish question to ask
09:59:03infinity0hi guys https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=nim&arch=kfreebsd-amd64&ver=0.11.2%2Bdfsg1-2&stamp=1438295991 i can't reproduce this on my own debian kfreebsd-amd64 vm
09:59:09infinity0the first error is: gcc: error: «BUILDDIR»/nim-0.11.2+dfsg1/compiler/nimcache/nimsrc_cgen.o: No such file or directory
09:59:15infinity0does anyone have a clue why that could possibly happen
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09:59:29infinity0(my own vm builds fine)
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10:09:43bogeninfinity0: not sure. FreeBSD currently won't build for me without --parallelBuild:1 http://buildbot.nim-lang.org/waterfall (current FreeBSD builds are failing agaiin)
10:09:59infinity0lol parallel 1 wtf
10:10:20bogeninfinity0: I'm using default FreeBSD though, not Debian/KFreeBSD
10:10:37infinity0hm yeah and my vm should be pretty much the same as the debian buildd's, at latest "unstable", i really need access to one of the actual build machines
10:10:41bogenwell, that limits nim to 1 thread while building
10:10:51bogenhow many cores in your VM?
10:10:52infinity0ah ok. i thought it was like -j1
10:10:56infinity08 cores for me
10:11:04infinity0my own vm is limited to 1 core though
10:11:07infinity0aha, maybe that's why
10:11:18infinity0i'll try to give it more cores and see if i can reproduce the failure, thanks!
10:11:19bogenyeah, --parallelBuild:1 is -j1
10:12:06infinity0oh, i thought that would be the default
10:12:28bogenno, the default is 0, not 1. 0 is autodetect
10:15:28bogenI have to use --parallelBuild:1 on everything with nim after I get it built on FreeBSD. This was fixed for a while, but it broke again. https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/1934 that is closed, but it is failing again, and the current waterfall status shows that
10:17:06infinity0hm ok
10:17:13infinity0well i'm using gcc because that's easier for debian
10:17:13bogenthere might be another issue, clang is assumed I think for freebsd, the debian/kfreebsd build is using gcc
10:17:18infinity0it worked before on 1 core
10:17:44bogenI've not tried building nim with gcc on freebsd, I could try that
10:17:49infinity0ok my vm reporduces the build failure with >1 core
10:18:11infinity0thanks, i will work around this. i guess we should probably file another bug?
10:19:09bogenyeah
10:19:38bogenso, with gcc and clang it fails with parallel builds
10:19:46bogenin the current state
10:20:59infinity0yeah
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10:21:49bogenso, the buildbot shows the failure, and the debian buildd shows the failure, you could file reference both
10:23:10infinity0yeah. will file the bug after i get the build to work :)
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10:46:26Sahnvourwhat's the canonical way to write and name complex initializers for compound types in nim ; ie not using field initialization ?
10:51:09flyxSahnvour: the stlib usually has proc newMyType(params): ref MyType
10:53:38Sahnvourthanks
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11:37:47infinity0managed to build nim for gnu hurd using the linux sources and defining PATH_MAX = 8192, MAP_POPULATE = 0 but then the resulting binary segfaults
11:37:57infinity0ah well, i'll pause this madness here :p
11:45:37filwitlol infinity0. That sounds cool actually
11:45:56filwitanyways. g2g bye
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12:22:37Araqinfinity0: gnu hurd encrypts pointers for "security" and thus breaks our GC
12:22:48Araq(just an educated guess ...)
12:25:34Araqbogen: no idea why parallebuild still fails on FreeLSD, there have been bugfixes for this, are you on devel?
12:30:18SahnvourFreeLSD, seems nice :p
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14:22:16bogenAraq: I'm on devel, because the non devel lacks some bug fixes I need
14:23:19federico3randomizes or encrypts?
14:27:09bogenAraq: parallelbuild works find on the standard nim package for FreeBSD
14:29:25bogenworks fine...
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14:33:18bogenfederico3: https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/PointerEncryption (a glibc "security" feature)
14:35:40federico3why the scare quotes?
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14:42:55bogenthat question for me or Araq? :) because encypting pointer breaks other form of GC as well. randomizing pointers is one thing. but even stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XOR_linked_list breaks some GC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XOR_linked_list#Drawbacks
14:46:48bogensecurity to what end? No I'm not anti security. heap randomization while it take an initial hit to set it up, and one can't hardcode a fixed heap start, is minor compared to pointer mangling and de mangling. I guess the GC could do a pointer demangle on each address sized value it suspectes to be a pointer, but that would get a expensive fast.
14:52:25federico3is Nim meant to be safe enough not to need pointer encryption (or even heap randomization)?
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14:53:36Araqfederico3: I'm anti "security". last time I checked on unix based systems routinely 40K loc configure scripts can easily upload everything of your $home to some random server. the unix definition of "security" can kiss my ass.
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14:54:31Araqit's an academic pseudo-definition where everything that might be useful for end users has been left out because it's perhaps harder to deal with.
14:55:27federico3wait, what?
14:55:51Araqoooh so it protects exactly the stuff that it's on the live CD anyway. ridiculous.
14:56:31Araqfederico3: but to answer your question, yes Nim doesn't need heap randomization.
14:57:56Araqthese are all hacks for the fact that C cannot do bounds checking
15:07:19bogenAraq: as far as security, yes there is an extreme imbalance... one should do all builds in sandboxed build system (for "security" and dependency issues) but for practical every day use justing needing to build a few things outside of package management, it becomes more hassle than it is worth. So in regards to security/anti-security, because of the extreme imbalanaces, the points you make are valid, so I'm not going to argue them. And yeah, C not d
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15:20:30federico3*cough* reproducible builds
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15:24:13Araqfederico3: that's just a euphemism for "we couldn't figure out how to filter timestamps in our comparison function"
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15:26:39jonathonHi! With httpclient, using getContent, trying to set a proxy with 'getContent(url="blah", proxy = newProxy("http://127.0.0.1:8118") )'. The URL returns data fine without a proxy, but with proxy returns 404. The proxy itself works fine in e.g. Firefox. Am I missing something obvious?
15:28:50Araqjonathon: it's a security feature when a download doesn't work. (just kidding)
15:28:54jonathonlol
15:34:23jonathonhttp://pastie.org/private/mnry9apweav6cytfytrjzg
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15:40:48jonathonany idea where to start debugging this? or could anyone replicate it so i know whether it's just me?
15:40:56federico3yes, good luck figuring out how to compare different binaries
15:45:57Araqfederico3: it's not hard dude
15:47:03renesacbut they need to make a hack for each binary they want to distribute, and keep it update for random changes the upstream may have
15:47:45renesacreproduceable builds are much simpler for them
15:48:33Araqsurely patching every tool that produces a timestamp and keep doing this for every new tool that comes along is much "simpler"
15:49:01federico3Araq: go talk to them
15:49:03renesacthey hope the upstream take care of it
15:49:22renesacand yes, it seems more reliable
15:50:01Araqand all they need to do is to demonize time stamps. that's not simple. that's pathetic.
15:50:09federico3(btw, it's not just about timestamps, there's more stuff that can leak in during the build)
15:51:06Araqnot too mention that "reproducible" doesn't imply what you think it implies
15:52:10Araqit can easily do introduce a backdoor based on some external data like the computer's clock time, the currently logged in user etc etc etc
15:54:09renesacbut that backdoor must be in the source code
15:56:22Araqjonathon: doesn't work for me either
15:57:37Araqin fact, when you read "trusting trust" the whole point of his talk is that reproducible builds do not prevent these things.
16:01:43jonathonAraq: thanks for checking that. i think there may be a bug in the proxy handling code. getContent with proxy is setting the host header to the proxy host, which is different to what e.g. curl is doing: http://pastie.org/private/ws03oatotj9s028aqreg
16:03:37jonathonI'll report an issue and see what comes of it. :)
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16:26:51onionhammer@varriount were you ever to get nimsuggest to work for you? i just got it working again locally for me..
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16:29:33jonathonNew issue: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/3166
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18:20:16infinity0reproducible builds is to make FOSS actually FOSS, i.e. "more confidence" that binary == source. yes backdoors are still possible but harder, since they would have to backdoor everyone
18:20:44infinity0"trusting trust" does not mean reproducible build are ineffective, "diverse double compilation" explains that
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18:22:17infinity0with reporducible builds, we know that (secure tools) => { binary == source }, without reproducible builds we can't make any such statement
18:23:14infinity0(secure tools being themselves also reproducible, with hashes stored in the buildinfo of the binary results)
18:23:22infinity0s/secure/maybe-secure
18:24:49infinity0anyway, for the freebsd parallel builds thing i have been testing 0.11.2
18:25:26infinity0but as i got from the first bug, the fix was "use clang" which doesn't seem great
18:25:40infinity0and clang fails on whatever bogen was testing with
18:28:24infinity0(to return to the repro-builds thing, maybe the point is that the tools are also themselves reproducible, and their hashes are remembered for each binary result, is what people are missing)
18:28:56infinity0s/point is that/point that
18:30:55Araqfor me this is all completely detached from reality. for me it's obvious that nobody did a proper cost vs benefit analysis for these things and i bet not a single realworld backdoor has been prevented by these stunts.
18:31:32Araqyou might as well buy CPUs that are immune to radiation
18:32:22Araqand pretend you develop software for NASA
18:33:14infinity0well, we'll see the state of things in a few decades. cost-benefit analysis is inherently hard for this sort of thing.
18:33:32infinity0however, this strategy is fundamentally different from the encrypt-pointers thing, in that "in the ideal world we can imagine" it is *necessary* work
18:33:52infinity0there is no path to reach our ideal goal (of eliminating "trusting trust") where we don't have reporducible builds
18:46:10Araqyou'll also never get there with string-ly typed designs
18:48:08Varriountonionhammer: ?
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19:19:08Sahnvourhow would one define a variant type that, for some values of its discriminator, introduces no new field ? What i've found is using an 'else: none: void' clause for this, but i wonder if there is something fancier
19:19:53dom96'discard'
19:20:23Sahnvourright, thanks dom96
19:21:46dom96np
19:27:54bogeninfinity0: another issues with the debian/kfreebsd nim build failing might be libc/glibc related
19:28:33bogeninfinity0: their maybe freebsd conditionals that include work arounds for freebsd's libc, whereas debian/freebsd uses glibc
19:29:20bogenhttps://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ#Q._Why_was_the_choice_made_to_use_glibc.3F
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19:48:33jonathondom96: quickest pull request merge evar :)
19:49:07dom96too quick
19:49:17dom96Read my comments
19:49:26jonathonooup
19:49:45jonathongive me a mo
19:50:17dom96np
19:54:39jonathonRight, maybe this time. :)
19:55:49dom96yep
19:56:33jonathonnice
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20:35:30jonathonWhich is better for string interpolation: "Words " & variable & " more words" , or "Words $1 more words" % [variable] ?
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20:39:10Araqjonathon: first is currently faster, but eventually they will be of the same speed. use what you like better
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20:39:18jonathonRight, thanks
20:39:30jonathonIt's also one less import :)
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21:04:00YaiyanAnyone got any suggestions for things to code to learn nim?
21:05:44dv-timsort
21:05:55AraqYaiyan: check out our gsoc project
21:06:07Araq(which wasn't accepted but the ideas are great)
21:08:10Araqr-ku: ping
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21:15:49YaiyanAraq, sure, cheers
21:15:57YaiyanYou weren't accepted? :(
21:16:14YaiyanI only discovered Nim today, but it seems bigger than a lot of other projects that often are
21:18:19dom96Yaiyan: websocket library
21:18:29dom96everybody wants one, but we don't have one
21:18:39YaiyanThat would involve learning nim, and learning sockets ;)
21:18:46YaiyanOf which I currently know neither
21:20:55dom96hmmm
21:21:19dom96Yaiyan: what sort of projects have you written in other languages?
21:22:05YaiyanNot a lot of finished stuff, but anything that's not insanely technical I can take a shot at, heh
21:22:14YaiyanJust want something small-ish to help learn it more than anything
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21:25:41jonathonYaiyan: make a "simple" cli weather update app
21:25:55Yaiyanjonathon, hmm, good idea
21:25:57jonathonget data from a web page, parse it, output
21:26:07jonathonhits a lot of aspects
21:26:12YaiyanI'll try that, cheers :)
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23:08:45onionhammer@varriount http://i.imgur.com/OtWzJji.png
23:09:11onionhammeri need help testing as always; if anyone wants to help you need NimLime, ST2 or 3, and nimsuggest
23:12:01VarriountO_o
23:12:12VarriountI'm guessing that's a feature new to ST3?
23:15:04onionhammeryeap
23:15:38onionhammerit renders html
23:15:43onionhammerso it's pretty flexible
23:17:30onionhammerVarriount it would be great if we could have it on hover
23:17:33onionhammermouseover ;)
23:21:42Varriountonionhammer: Does ST3 have mouse move events?
23:24:38Varriountonionhammer: How about using an eventlistener with on_selection_modified, and showing the popup when someone double-clicks a variable/identifier?
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23:53:12SirCmpwnhow can I define a proc that mutates an object passed in through the parameters?
23:54:13Araqproc p(x: var string) = x = "you might want to read something about Nim somewhere"
23:54:39SirCmpwnI defined a type and tried to use var in the parameters
23:54:49SirCmpwnbut it gives me "illegal capture"
23:55:05SirCmpwnI figured I was missing something special about objects in particular
23:55:09Araqdon't capture it then ;-)
23:55:15SirCmpwnI don't know what capturing it means ;_;
23:55:34Araqyou cannot capture a 'var T' in a closure as that wouldn't be memory safe
23:55:56SirCmpwnoh, this proc is decorated with {.async.}, does that have side effects?
23:56:15Araqindeed, it transforms the body of your proc into a closure
23:56:20SirCmpwnI see
23:57:06AraqI wonder if C# has the same limitation or if they lift it onto the heap instead
23:57:18SirCmpwnworks as expected in C#
23:57:25SirCmpwnC# is pretty generous
23:57:44SirCmpwnwhich can lead to shooting yourself in the foot, admittedly
23:57:44Araqyou can use ref in a C# async method?
23:57:57SirCmpwnall objects are passed by reference
23:58:02SirCmpwnref is only relevant on value types
23:58:14SirCmpwnall objects are heap allocated in C#
23:58:30Araqdon't lecture me
23:58:44SirCmpwnyou asked the question, dickhead
23:59:04AraqI asked about 'ref' which is nim's 'var'
23:59:15Araqdidn't ask for how class works in C#
23:59:17SirCmpwnstill being a dickhead
23:59:35Araqit's the one thing I cannot stand... ;-)
23:59:36SirCmpwnref in C# doesn't make sense when talking about objects
23:59:41Araqit does
23:59:46SirCmpwnso your question was nonsense and required more elaboration
23:59:53Araqnope.