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02:03:52Demosany tips for debugging memory corruption issues that probably stem from a wrapper error?
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07:20:43gokrGood morning!
07:21:21keyleGood evening
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07:22:16nchambersthis is ugt time damn it
07:22:35Xe^^^
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07:23:23gokrugt?
07:23:31Xeuniversal greeting time
07:23:45nchambershttp://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
07:24:55gokrHa! Like it.
07:24:57baabelfishyglukhov: http://nim-lang.org/docs/backends.html#nim-code-calling-the-backend-javascript-invocation-example
07:27:50yglukhovbaabelfish: yeah, but i don't think it does what i need. i want something like importcpp does for cpp codegen. but as i could see from nim scrs, it's done in cpp backend. so js can't do it.
07:28:11keylelet's agree on *good day*
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07:29:23keyleI like UGT
07:29:33keylenice idea
07:29:37keyletoo long to type :/
07:39:29keylenoobie question, how good would nim be to compile to a special c++ target, in this case Unreal Engine 4
07:39:49keylewhich uses C++ macros all over the place
07:40:46keylee.g. https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/unreal-property-system-reflection
07:43:31gokrI dunno, but Urhonimo (the Urho3D wrapper Araq maintains here at 3DICC) is all C++.
07:43:47gokrAnd it works very well. But I think Urho3D is not using much odd macros.
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07:44:15gokrfederico3: Mailinglist is in a terrible state now. I am thinking of pulling the plug.
07:44:38gokrFirstly, Araq hasn't confirmed the address - not sure why, I forgot to ask him.
07:44:57gokrSecondly, now gmail is starting to complain and thinks the ml is spam, I don't know why.
07:45:25keylethanks
07:45:44gokrI just don't have time for all this crap, so... unless someone else steps up and wants to take over - I am considering to drop the ml. Earlier it was very low traffic, but zero maintainer load. Now ... not so.
07:46:52keyleyou started it :)
07:47:03keyleI think the forum is still the go to place
07:47:16gokrI did, but I didn't try to force feed it with cross posts from the forum. federico3 did that.
07:47:30gokrAnd that has unfortunately turned out to mayhem.
07:47:37keyledid it
07:47:41keyle:/
07:48:08gokrAs I wrote above - gmail thinks its spam now. I suspect because we added Resent-from: in order to manage the fact that forum members are ml members.
07:48:51gokrSo in essence - I am throwing in the towel on it. I still would like a good ml, but Nimsters have voted with their feet and its all good to me.
07:49:04gokrI have the forum as an RSS feed into Thunderbird, so its good enough.
07:50:51reactormonkgokr, we have a forum and an IRC channel, should do
07:51:29gokrJust so you know - I created the ml long time ago. Its not something I created yesterday.
07:51:53gokrBut I would say time has shown it wasn't to be.
07:52:38reactormonkJust let it die in peace :-)
07:53:48gokrYep
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07:59:24nchambersI refuse
07:59:27nchambersI will keep it alive
07:59:59gokrnchambers: If you are up to it - then you can take it over from me.
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08:00:08nchambersI wouldn't mind
08:00:22gokrOk, cool. I need your email add
08:00:38gokrWhich I might already have in the subscriber list I guess
08:00:50nchambersyeah
08:00:53nchambersbut I got a new one
08:01:02nchamberswhich is just a forwarder so it might not matter
08:03:20gokrI will take a look and figure out how to add you as admin or something
08:03:28nchambersty <3
08:05:03Araqkeyle: Nim support for Unreal 4 ... is coming ... I think. :-)
08:06:21keyleAraq, dude that'd be awesome. The amount of people begging for C# coming from Unity you know
08:07:02keylethere is a hack project that put V8 in UE4 but it's unmaintained and out of date now
08:07:30keylehttps://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?254-RELEASED-Flathead-UE4-Javascript
08:08:41keyleanyways UE4 makes C++ livable by augmenting it and using a subset of it
08:08:55keyleand a bunch of Macros, high level types and pretty solid framework
08:09:52Araqyeah, I have studied its codebase a bit when I was in Raleigh ;-)
08:11:15federico3WTF?
08:11:47gokrAraq: Did you ever get a confirmation email for subscribing [email protected]?
08:12:15gokrAraq: My inbox has about 210 unread from the ml, so I need to fix this now.
08:12:18Araqno, but I get emails from the forum
08:12:25gokrHmmm.
08:12:36gokrWould an email to [email protected] go to yout?
08:12:41Araqwhich is not that great, cause emails suck. they have no syntax highlighting.
08:13:00federico3gokr: then please add me as an administrator and I'll talk to dom96 (who runs the forum) when he's online
08:13:15gokrfederico3: Sure
08:13:39gokrThe Resent-from: is added allright. But the [email protected] is still not a member, so it doesn't help.
08:14:26gokrAraq: Just sent to [email protected] - if you get something, please reply.
08:16:19gokrfederico3: I think Amavisd on freelists notes that the email has no "Date:" header and flags as spam. Perhaps gmail is picking that up.
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08:17:13Araqdidn't get anything
08:17:19gokrAre you meant to?
08:17:42gokrOh, unknown user.
08:17:56gokrSo you don't have "*" forwarding on nim-lang.org, so no wonder.
08:18:28gokrThen I can't get [email protected] added as member, and then I can't get "Resent-from:" to work.
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08:19:03gokrDue to Canadian laws freelists doesn't allow me to just subscribe an address. They require a confirmation email.
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08:24:23gokrfederico3: Can you privmsg me your email address?
08:24:34gokrSo I can turn you into an admin
08:25:05gokrnchambers: And same for you
08:25:39jckcan I use nimble to locally install the dev version of Nim?
08:25:56federico3yes jck
08:26:06federico3nimble install <name>@#head
08:26:18gokrfederico3: Of nim itself too?
08:26:25gokrFunky if so.
08:26:30jckI tried "nimble install 'compiler@#head'" but it fails since it requires nim >= 0.11.3
08:27:13gokrfederico3: So you and nchambers, wanna be admins both?
08:27:13federico3hm, than you have to do the git dance :-/
08:27:37nchamberswats the git dance?
08:27:38federico3me: yes please
08:28:21federico3nchambers: the two git clone
08:28:30gokrjck: I have multiple nims in different directories. Just use "devel" instead of "master" in the recipe for bootstrapping.
08:28:44gokrI wrote an article about how that bootstrap works btw.
08:29:23nchambersfederico3: I have no interest in helping with linking the forum to the ml. I am not a good sysadmin and have been out of the nim game for a while.
08:30:10federico3ok, so gokr can you add me as admin please? Then I'll ask dom96 if he wants to join as admin as well
08:33:24gokrhehe, hmmm... funky.
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08:33:49gokrSo the ml has unsubscribed a LOT of people due to reaching 2 fatal errors
08:34:03nchambersD:
08:35:29gokrSo ok, that was funky. Default settings at freelist was max 2 fatals in 30 days, or it auto unsubbed.
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08:35:53gokrI now changed it to 10 fatals per 30 days (are ok) and also NEVER unsub.
08:36:05gokrBut damage has already been done.
08:37:00gokrAnd its mainly all gmail accounts that have failed due to them thinking it was spam.
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08:37:12gokrSo basically all gmail accounts have been unsubscribed.
08:37:49gokrPerhaps 50 people.
08:38:11keyle:>
08:38:37keyleas long as it happened before 1.0 right :)
08:39:00federico3I'm receiving the list on gmail and it's not flagging the emails as spam. It's also threading them correctly.
08:42:53gokrfederico3: It was doing that. But the reason you weren't on the subscribers list just now, was because you had been unsubbed.
08:43:03gokrYou rejoined now.
08:43:07gokrAnd now you are an admin btw.
08:43:18gokrAnd you also get notifications of bounces and you get reports.
08:43:48federico3did the mailing list remove my address automatically?
08:43:56gokrSo currently, me, you, Araq and Clay are admins
08:44:01gokryes, as I described above.
08:44:26gokrIt unsubbed perhaps 30 people, not sure. I got a report about it.
08:44:47gokrAlmost all of those happened because they had 2 fatals, and all were gmail addresses.
08:45:03gokrI have changed those settings btw, it won't unsub people automatically anymore.
08:45:22gokrI will have to post to the forum about all this.
08:45:44gokrfederico3: Please verify that you got in and can access the admin menu.
08:46:44gokrfederico3: https://www.freelists.org/login.html
08:49:16federico3still not showing up
08:51:35federico3ok
08:53:53gokrfederico3: Got in?
08:54:17federico3yep
08:54:25gokrcool.
08:56:02gokrStill not sure why gmail felt it was spam, I do have all bounces sitting in my inbox though so I can analyze a bit closer.
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08:56:58gokrHow does the forum send?
08:57:20gokrAnyway, gotta work here
08:59:45federico3did you toggle deny-822-bounce?
09:00:06gokryes
09:00:52gokrThat was for the Resent-from: thing, but... [email protected] needs to be a member (as I have said a few times now) and that address has no inbox.
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09:06:56gokrfederico3: One thing that may be causing the spam thing - is that the smtp nim module isn't adding a Date: header when sending.
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09:07:44gokrfederico3: Fairly sure. I can forward one of the bounces, unless you already have some in your inbox :)
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09:10:22federico3please forward them
09:10:40federico3once dom96 is around he'll be able to deploy the latest updates
09:15:22gokrfederico3: Sent an email with a suggested list of actions etc
09:19:15federico3thanks
09:19:54gokrI can post on forum, but... for the next 5 hours I have shitload of stuff to do
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11:09:42ArrrrAraq: where can i read your blog post about write tracking?
11:10:41nchambershttp://nim-lang.org/blog/writetracking.html I'm guessing this?
11:11:24ArrrrYes, thanks nchambers
11:11:36nchambersnp
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11:52:01keylehow far is 1.0?
11:56:08Arrrrhave a look at the critical bugs count
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12:07:42reactormonkkeyle, wanna help? https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/1798https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/1798
12:07:45reactormonkehh https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/1798
12:08:52keyleI wish I could mate, that's above me
12:09:25keyleactually my biggest problem is always finding *where* in nim
12:09:47keyleI'm such a software snob I'm just used to press F12 in my big IDE until I get to the source ;)
12:10:17Arrrri miss eclipse, sometimes
12:10:21keyleproper IDE support, eg. IntelliJ plugin is a massive show stopper for any language
12:10:28keylelack thereof
12:11:46reactormonkkeyle, then mess around with nim serve
12:12:01reactormonknim-mode works kinda decently I've heard ^^
12:12:19keyledoco ?
12:18:14reactormonknim-mode uses nim serve behind the scenes, so any editor that supports nim server should give you ide-style stuff
12:24:51keyleemacs only?
12:29:13reactormonkwell, nim-mode is emacs. nim serve is editor agnostic.
12:29:16reactormonkwhich editor do you use?
12:29:31keyleIntelliJ preferrably
12:29:57reactormonkPretty sure there isn't a nim plugin for intellij because they tend to implement their own stuff
12:30:42keyleno they have a ton of plugins that are user made
12:30:52reactormonkkeyle, http://plugins.jetbrains.com/update/index?pr=&updateId=20349
12:30:55keylethey tend to do the ones they have a strategic advantage doing
12:31:18keyleuh I will be damned
12:31:23keyle2 months old
12:32:01reactormonkshould work, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't do rpc with nim serve
12:32:40reactormonkit should be pretty easy to extend nim serve to use json as well as sexp if you wanna instruct intellij to talk to it
12:33:12reactormonkI only implemented sexp because that's what emacs-epc uses, but it should be general enough so you can use json too
12:33:23reactormonkBut how you do that stuff in intellij - no fucking clue.
12:35:05keyleis this correct ? var contents: seq[string] = @[]
12:35:15keyleit underlines @[] as an error
12:35:34reactormonklooks good to me
12:36:44keylethat plugin is so basic in only seem to do highlightin
12:36:58reactormonkyup
12:38:01keylethis it maybe https://github.com/jhspetersson/idea-nim
12:38:36keyleintellij plugins are in damn java
12:38:57reactormonkGotta say I prefer elisp over java ;-)
12:39:13reactormonksublime uses python IIRC
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12:39:49reactormonkhttps://github.com/Varriount/NimLime
12:39:52AraqArrrr: I implemented a far simpler algorithm instead, but it's still based on that old blog post of mine
12:40:22reactormonkAraq, so after write tracking, get rid of varness?
12:40:47keyleI love lisp but I've never had the opportunity to have a good go at it
12:40:52keyleas in, solving real world problems
12:41:13keylereactormonk, you'd like blueprints, it's lispish 2015 :)
12:41:14reactormonkkeyle, same here, I just throw functions at the problem, ask #emacs and hope it works
12:42:09keylewell that nim plugins got my hopes up but it's not really baked
12:42:18keyleat least it highlights reasonably well
12:42:54keylehttp://i.imgur.com/aQd6KXK.png
12:42:55keyleFYI
12:43:06keylesome old code of mine, don't pay too much attention to that :)
12:43:07Araqreactormonk: I don't think so, how would that work? 'var int' is a pointer under the hood
12:44:15reactormonkAraq, and let int is?
12:44:48reactormonkah ok, heap access. otherwise you'd have to transfer it through the stack.
12:47:01reactormonkvarness is in a similar direction as write tracking, so I figured it would be possible to get rid of it.
12:47:21reactormonkApparently it's more complicated. Sad.
12:52:27Araqalso i didn't even check if that fixpoint computation kills us in practice or not
12:53:06AraqI think I can optimize it into "in the noise" shape, but that's not for sure
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13:11:19joelmoHi all. Im trying to compile nimble but i get this message could not load: libcrypto.so(.10|.1.0.1. I tried with --passL:/path/to/openssl/lib , also tried same with --passC, but I still get the same error
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13:11:44joelmoi also see this is passed with --listCmd
13:12:27joelmoTried setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH too
13:14:44reactormonkjoelmo, --passL takes a literal linker command, so you gotta give via -I or whatever the command for the linker for link paths is
13:15:39joelmoreactormonk: sorry i meant to write, I tried -L/path/lib
13:15:53joelmoI have gcc installed
13:15:54joelmoand ld
13:16:31reactormonkjoelmo, hm. libcrypto is in the fs?
13:17:41joelmoyes but not in a standard path because I use nixos
13:17:48joelmojoelmo /nix/store/2jhsvzb11ybswkq07a835ab8xjwf7m1y-openssl-1.0.1p/lib $ ls
13:17:48joelmoengines libcrypto.so libcrypto.so.1.0.0 libssl.so libssl.so.1.0.0 pkgconfig
13:18:17reactormonknone of these libs patch libcrypto.so(.10|.1.0.1)
13:18:56reactormonks/patch/match/
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13:19:21joelmosorry, this was the message: could not load: libcrypto.so(.10|.1.0.1|.1.0.0|.0.9.9|.0.9.8)
13:19:51reactormonkOk, that's about all I know :-/
13:20:42joelmo:( do you know how nim calls gcc and ld? because they are wrapped here in a tiny bash script. I think it's to deal with everything not using the fsh
13:21:57reactormonkpassL and passC should be reliable
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13:41:39Araqjoelmo: (nim)grep for libcrypto.so in Nim and adapt it and if it works, make a PR
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14:03:56joelmo Araq I don't know what to edit there, nimble uses openssl wrapper. I can run the linking command manually and it gives me more info but I don't know how to interpret this: https://gist.github.com/265a4f5252bf042cd974
14:05:18joelmohere I use 0.11.2 (2015-05-04)
14:07:32Araqwell another option is to create a symlink so that you have a libcrypto.so that matches the hardcoded pattern
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22:57:24Araqdoes anybody know of a good software to record videos?
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