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00:00:10FromGitter<data-man> ./doc/html/lib.html
00:01:53FromGitter<RedBeard0531> Yeah, I got that. But the search box doesn't work because it expects some js file in another directory, but the directory structure in the repo doesn't match the url structure of nim-lang.org so it doesn't work right.
00:03:10dom96hrm, yeah, the sorting by type doesn't work either
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00:03:14dom96Should be fixed
00:03:47FromGitter<data-man> Link to src="../dochack.js"
00:09:44FromGitter<data-man> @dom96: Can you merge? https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/7011 ⏎ While Araq is not here. :-)
00:09:45FromGitter<RedBeard0531> I filed https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/7013 about this.
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00:41:23dom96data-man: lol
00:41:37dom96tests need to pass first :)
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00:47:36FromGitter<data-man> Hmm, I just noticed that the tester's output is not colored on AppVeyor.
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01:05:05FromGitter<data-man> Tests passed.
01:06:16FromGitter<data-man> And https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/6996
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01:32:42subsetparkSort of an interesting concept https://wiki.dlang.org/Voldemort_types
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01:34:12subsetparkhttps://play.nim-lang.org/?gist=0eb2b3d689e3fd4940652aabbb579b36
01:41:26FromGitter<RedBeard0531> They are common(ish) in C++, although we usually use the less colorful "unutterable types"
01:42:39subsetparkProbably less useful in Nim because unlike in this example http://www.drdobbs.com/cpp/voldemort-types-in-d/232901591?pgno=2 you can't encapsulate whole procedures in a type declaration
01:42:51FromGitter<RedBeard0531> All lambdas in C++ are unutterable types
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01:46:43FromGitter<RedBeard0531> I think it is also less useful in nim because you can avoid exporting a Foo type but still export initFoo() and fooMethod(foo: Foo), which essentially makes Foo a less awkward unutterable type
01:47:50subsetparkCan you not do that in D? My impression was that you could, but voldemort types are even more encapsulated because you can't even use them in the same module
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01:51:01FromGitter<RedBeard0531> subsetpark: If you really want that, you can get it in nim too: https://play.nim-lang.org/?gist=90c0ff701765df6cfcd1f1416d24cec6
01:51:50subsetparkYeah I've got that in my example - but in the D article, they also define "methods" (eg implementing all of an interface)
01:51:59subsetparkI suppose you could just do that in the module and use `auto`
01:55:08FromGitter<RedBeard0531> You can still do that, but it defeats the purpose: https://play.nim-lang.org?gist=d23a04746475658f7a7bc28e640ba3c9
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01:59:21FromGitter<RedBeard0531> Anyone around who understands nim Concepts? Is it supposed to be the case that adding `false` as a statement in a concept definition prevents any types from matching it? That is what I'd expect, but it isn't what I'm seeing...
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03:17:23FromGitter<gogolxdong> Is there any nim-webassembly project?
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03:58:33FromGitter<RedBeard0531> Liuxiaodong this may be a crazy path forward given that nim can compile to clang https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16049242
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04:30:20FromGitter<gogolxdong> What can you see from this vision?
04:31:43FromGitter<gogolxdong> compile nim to wasm directly?
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10:47:41FromGitter<mratsim> You can compile to C and then pass that as input to LLVM like what def- did for the NES emulator NimEs @gogolxdong. I will explore that in the future for Arraymancer.
10:56:17FromGitter<mratsim> zengine can also compile to WASM via emscripten. The best way forward would be nlvm (Nim LLVM front-end ) I guess.
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13:56:52FromGitter<data-man> https://github.com/github/explore/pull/128 is merged! ⏎ Happy New Year! :-)
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14:07:27yglukhovdata-man: yay! now where can we see the effect of this?
14:07:38dom96Awesome, thanks data-man :D
14:08:02dom96here: https://github.com/topics/nim
14:08:06dom96But I guess it might take a while to update
14:08:27FromGitter<data-man> Probably, some time must pass for renewal. :-)
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14:12:17FromGitter<data-man> I assume that Nim should appear here https://github.com/topics between "Natural language processing" and "Node.js" :-)
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14:17:45FromGitter<data-man> Correction: Happy Nim Year!
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14:32:16PMunchmratsim, drawille-nim now has proper colour support :)
14:33:29FromGitter<mratsim> Awesome!
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14:45:11FromGitter<RedBeard0531> Has anyone here tried using runnableExamples yet? They don't seem to get tested for me. `nim doc hhset` finishes successfully even when they have code that I know won't compile
14:45:30FromGitter<RedBeard0531> Do I need to opt-in with some flag?
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14:47:01Yardanicoit seems for me that they're tested if you're compiling this file
14:47:05Yardanicobut I may be wrong
14:47:34FromGitter<Araq> 'nim doc' performs the tests
14:48:01FromGitter<Araq> and I ensured it works for the stdlib fwiw
14:48:36FromGitter<RedBeard0531> hrm
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15:00:33FromGitter<RedBeard0531> @Araq could you try it with this file: https://gist.github.com/RedBeard0531/efd1071fe2474ba83149921d0427a8fb#file-hhset-nim-L135-L149. It clearly shouldn't pass, but `nim doc hhset.nim` succeeds :/
15:01:58Yardanicomaybe because it's a template?
15:02:02Yardanicojust a guess
15:03:12FromGitter<RedBeard0531> Its used in a macro here, so I assume it works in templates: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/lib/pure/strformat.nim#L229
15:03:41FromGitter<RedBeard0531> I checked the html output and it does have the nice highlighted codeblock, so nimdoc does see it
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15:29:52FromGitter<Araq> in your isMainModule call getValueOrInit
15:29:59FromGitter<Araq> and it should be run.
15:30:24FromGitter<Araq> your template is not expanded otherwise and so doesn't run. not sure if I can fix that
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16:04:06FromGitter<RedBeard0531> @Araq no luck. I added these lines but it still doesn't fail: ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5a4bad76ba39a53f1ac9b337]
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16:06:02FromGitter<RedBeard0531> btw, is there a less awkward way to pass an assignment statement to an untyped argument? That was the best I could find. It seems to parse wrongly if I do `assert "bop" == hhs.gVOI("bop"): value = "bop"`
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16:13:37subsetparkNobody has done any work on AMQP, have they?
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16:14:41FromGitter<RedBeard0531> I tried pulling it out of the template to the top level and that gets it to run, but it puts bad code into hhset_examples.nim. It doesn't seem to correctly handle the block argument: ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5a4baff15355812e5742b63f]
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16:19:18dom96ooh, a job offer with a "Nim" keyword on HN's "Who wants to be hired?": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16052701
16:19:33dom96Seems demand for Nim programmers is rising :)
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16:21:44FromGitter<RedBeard0531> That post
16:21:47FromGitter<RedBeard0531> U
16:21:49FromGitter<Varriount> dom96: Isn't that a comment from someone who wants to be hired.
16:22:10dom96oh, you're right hah
16:22:17*dom96 is an idiot
16:22:33dom96Varriount: Coming to FOSDEM?
16:23:00FromGitter<Varriount> dom96: Too far away. :/
16:23:08dom96awww
16:23:21FromGitter<Varriount> A plane ticket would be in the $1,500 range
16:23:47FromGitter<RedBeard0531> Whoever decided to make gitters mobile ui post when you tap the screen is my new enemy (assuming those weird posts show up to everyone not just me)
16:23:59FromGitter<Varriount> @RedBeard0531 Yep.
16:24:09YardanicoRedBeard0531: yeah, it sucks
16:24:12dom96varriount: that is pretty expensive, pity :(
16:24:19Yardanicoand there's no good alternative
16:24:21Yardanicofor gitter app
16:24:22dom96Yeah, gitter's mobile app is pretty horrible
16:24:23Yardanicoso I use irc
16:24:33Yardanicoyou can seee Yardanico[Phone]
16:24:40FromGitter<Varriount> IRC requires one to be signed on all the time though.
16:24:43FromGitter<RedBeard0531> Grrr. Turning the phone off SHOULD NEVER POST
16:24:51YardanicoI use RevolutionIRC client on Android
16:24:57YardanicoVarriount: it's running in background
16:25:03*FromGitter * RedBeard0531 is done ranting
16:25:03subsetparkIt's fairly straightforward to get a bouncer going.
16:25:04dom96Gitter was acquired by GitLab, you'd think that would speed up development
16:25:18dom96Do bouncer's support mobile's?
16:25:34dom96Last time I tried I got spammed by the backlog every time I lost the network connection
16:25:38subsetparkBouncers basically act as the server you connect to - so yes, they don't care
16:25:48subsetparkon iOS, mutter works seamlessly with znc
16:25:55FromGitter<Varriount> You still have to be constantly connected. :/
16:25:58Yardanicosubsetpark, revolutionirc works seamlessly too
16:26:07euantorI just pay irccloud.com to handle everything for me :)
16:26:24Yardanicodom96, good clients do
16:26:26subsetparkYes, irccloud is great. I only went to the bouncer to save a bit of $$$, but I was totally happy with irccloud
16:27:10euantorirccloud's web client is pretty nice too, and is all that I use across several devices
16:27:35FromGitter<RedBeard0531> I like that gitter synchronizes what I've read across all my devices. I also like github flavored markdown, although I guess that could be painful for people on irc...
16:29:40YardanicoRedBeard0531: there's a good gitter mobile app
16:29:43Yardanicobut it has bugs too
16:29:52Yardanicohttps://github.com/apiko-dev/GitterMobile
16:29:59Yardanicoand it's not actively developed sadly
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16:50:45subsetparkdom96: https://github.com/nim-lang/c2nim/issues/115 is still producing the rodutils-related build failure for me. Do you know if it's supposed to work now?
16:51:19dom96are you on devel?
16:51:31subsetparkayup
16:51:47dom96tried reinstalling compiler@#head?
16:51:54subsetparkyep, did that...
16:52:10dom96then I'm out of ideas :(
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16:53:01subsetparkwhuf.
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17:05:00avsejis it possible to make integers wrap in nim?
17:05:22avsejlike high(int) + 42 not raising OverflowError
17:06:30FromGitter<RedBeard0531> @avsej use +% or convert to uint
17:06:59FromGitter<RedBeard0531> uint and uintXX are defined to wrap on overflow (like in c)
17:07:42FromGitter<RedBeard0531> OP% gets you wrapping behavior with signed ints for a single OP
17:12:54avsejthanks
17:14:20subsetparkdom96: it's looking like right now it's not even any code in c2nim that's stopping the build; the version of rodutils.nim you get with nimble install compiler@#head doesn't seem compatible with the version of nim you get with choosenim devel
17:14:24subsetparkwhich is strange to say the least
17:15:05FromGitter<RedBeard0531> is `nimble install compiler@#head` equivalent to `choosenim devel`?
17:16:12raussMatrix is an interesting irc/gitter alternative I've seen used lately. With a terrible name for seaching...
17:17:55dom96avsej: You can also disable overflow checks, although I'm not sure whether that's a good idea
17:18:01subsetparkI guess I'm more interested in the nimble install compiler@#head part
17:18:19subsetparkI would have assumed that would give me something that's up to date with https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/compiler/
17:18:20dom96subsetpark: maybe your Nim compiler is an old 'devel'?
17:18:51subsetparkNo, updated that too... But if I `nimble install compiler@#head`, should I not have the same as what's on GH under devel?
17:19:00dom96you should
17:19:08dom96do you not get that?
17:19:19subsetparkBecause my ~/.nimble/pkgs/compiler-0.17.3/compiler/rodutils.nim is a different file from what's on the repo
17:19:26dom96You can compare the files in ~/.nimble/pkgs/compiler-#head to your own files.
17:19:34dom96well, that's a different version
17:19:51dom96it should be in compiler-#head
17:20:21subsetparkHm... yeah, it doesn't do that :(
17:20:36dom96Then it seems like you have an old nimble?
17:20:42subsetparkhaha
17:20:43subsetparkok
17:21:06dom96I think choosenim should just link the 'compiler' source it has into Nimble.
17:21:07subsetparkThat's what I got with choosenim... Should I `nimble install nimble@#head` ?
17:21:22dom96no, check what version of Nimble you have
17:21:24dom96and tell me
17:21:53subsetparknimble v0.8.8 compiled at 2018-01-02 11:55:14
17:21:54subsetparkgit hash: 18da3c8b4ca836753ef29fa89947d05a56188842
17:22:35subsetparkthat's /home/zax/.nimble/bin/nimble, by the way
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17:23:00FromGitter<RedBeard0531> @dom96 @avsej disabling overflow checks and overflowing will just lead to UB in C, which causes impossible to debug problems with -opt:on or -d:release. So... don't do that :)
17:23:01dom96hmmm
17:23:24FromGitter<RedBeard0531> If that is the behavior you want in nim, you need to pass -fwrapv to gcc/clang
17:23:40dom96subsetpark: can you gist the output of `nimble install compiler@#head --debug` please?
17:24:23subsetpark--debug ? That doesn't produce any more verbose output
17:25:01subsetparkah, debug works better in front
17:25:20dom96it shouldn't matter where it's placed
17:25:26dom96weird :)
17:25:39subsetparkhttps://gist.github.com/subsetpark/286cc6aa80dc7dfeae822e1302f3a57d
17:26:32subsetparkhmmm let me try one more
17:26:53subsetparkha!
17:27:02subsetparkmy shell was swallowing #head
17:27:04subsetparkoh boy...
17:27:26subsetparkyes, now there is a compiler-#head and now c2nim installs perfectly :D :D
17:27:31dom96omg lol
17:28:13dom96Okay, that's a nimble bug, it should fail on `nimble install compiler@`
17:28:36subsetparkman oh man... what a morning. time for lunch.
17:29:51dom96https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/issues/445
17:30:50dom96and https://github.com/dom96/choosenim/issues/46
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18:24:45vegax87is there a p2p library for Nim?
18:25:31federico3I wish
18:25:38federico3vegax87: what kind of p2p?
18:26:34vegax87DHT
18:27:00federico3heh, I have one around
18:27:26federico3compatibile with Kademlia or not?
18:28:10vegax87yes
18:28:37federico3I'm curious what do you need it for?
18:29:47vegax87just for simple things, like creating a basic blockchain
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18:34:12federico3do you need kad compatibility to create a blockchain?
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19:17:14avsejis it acceptable to dynamically change limit for rationals? it turns out that toRational(float) returns Rational[int] which cannot be safely ported to 32bit platform, so I reduced precision: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/7021/files
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20:15:07FromGitter<konqoro> Seems fine to me
20:17:52FromGitter<konqoro> I also thought to remove the proc parameter but I dont know if thats acceptable
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20:31:21Yardanicobtw guys, can we change copyright year to 2018?
20:35:00Yardanicohttps://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/6581/files and also in jsgen.nim probably?
20:40:09dom96I think we should just remove the "to" date
20:40:16dom96It's enough to state when the copyright begins
20:41:09dom96but then again, I'm no lawyer
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20:58:11FromGitter<tim-st> does every object variant only takes the memory of its fields or does every object variant has the union of all fields of all variants and there is only an access restriction?
20:58:35Yardanicoprobably every object variant has a union of all fields
20:59:04FromGitter<tim-st> not good. than I can easily use a tuple instead which does the same and is constant
20:59:27FromGitter<tim-st> (When I built union tuples)
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21:12:14FromGitter<nitely> @tim-st Also, there is no compile-time access checking. So, I think they are not really useful: https://play.nim-lang.org/?gist=b3a6e580372813de47a9973124c03725
21:18:22FromGitter<nitely> well, at least not *that* useful
21:18:43FromGitter<tim-st> @nitely Yes, I was wondering about it when I read in the docs that a field error appears. I think in theory the compiler could check it at compile time and because of this could optimize to not take the union of all fields (if that's the case) but still there is one downside: I can not seperate the objects variants by a real type
21:22:42FromGitter<tim-st> but of course I don't have it too when using tuples. I will probably just use tuples and check all types explicitly by enum. At least I can mix my hashmap than...
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22:17:11subsetparkHow should I write an array of cchars to a socket?
22:18:09subsetparkOr - it doesn't need to be an array of cchars. I just want to write a sequence of bytes.
22:19:50Yardanicosubsetpark, convert them to string?
22:21:32subsetparkSo if I do `0.cchar & 9.cchar & 1.cchar & 0.cchar` - is the resulting string stil just those four bytes in sequence?
22:21:40subsetparkApologies for the dumb questions. I usually don't work with raw bytes :)
22:21:55Yardanicosubsetpark, IDK really, but you can check :)
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22:32:19FromGitter<RedBeard0531> https://nim-lang.org/docs/net.html#send,Socket,pointer,int is going to be more efficient that getting it into a string
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22:37:21FromGitter<tim-st> there is no builtin sum for array[Number]? :(
22:37:50FromGitter<tim-st> this is my code now: `return s[0] + s[1] + s[2] + s[3] + s[4] + s[5]` ^^
22:39:20FromGitter<RedBeard0531> https://nim-lang.org/docs/math.html#sum,openArray[T]
22:39:46FromGitter<tim-st> thanks!
22:40:50FromGitter<RedBeard0531> btw, in case you weren't aware, the search box on the upper left corner of the nim doc pages is really nice and shows results as you type.
22:41:31FromGitter<tim-st> ah that's nice, thanks. I used google before
22:43:09FromGitter<RedBeard0531> I find the search box works better for the stdlib (most of the time)
22:44:02FromGitter<tim-st> yes, it works really good. didnt know it before
22:44:29FromGitter<RedBeard0531> Someone should really build the nim equivalent of https://www.haskell.org/hoogle/. It could also index all (popular?) nimble packages, and would support flexible queries by type.
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22:56:50dom96You might be able to implement that into https://nimble.directory
23:04:35FromGitter<RedBeard0531> Oh nifty! I didn't know about that
23:04:59FromGitter<RedBeard0531> It doesn't seem to build the indexes though: https://nimble.directory/docs/nimx
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23:08:05dom96Might want to ping federico3 about that :)
23:08:17dom96or make a PR :)
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23:21:33FromGitter<dustinlacewell> Is there a javascript boilerplate for using Pixi.js? Or an article about using Nim for JS?
23:27:15FromGitter<RedBeard0531> Start with the code block at the top of https://nim-lang.org/docs/jsffi.html
23:28:31FromGitter<RedBeard0531> Mentally pronounce "importc" as "simple native import" and "importcpp" as "complex native import" :)
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23:41:29ldleworkIs there a boilerplate for using Pixi.js? Alternatively, is there a good guide on using Nim for javascript and interoperating with random js?
23:45:19FromGitter<RedBeard0531> did pixi.js and nim both just hit some feed together? I've never head of it before, but someone else just asked about it.
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