| 00:11:25 | FromDiscord | <devlop_gaming> In reply to @griffith1deadly "(until you realize that": Wait wha.. |
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| 04:37:06 | FromDiscord | <Phil> I mean, I can attest to nimble slowness, just the dependency download step takes around 3-4 minutes for a build container that otherwise takes overall around 5 minutes (atm) |
| 04:38:19 | FromDiscord | <Phil> (edit) "download" => "download/install" |
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| 11:30:46 | FromDiscord | <aintea> In reply to @griffith1deadly "(until you realize that": The LSP is horrible to work with |
| 11:30:53 | FromDiscord | <aintea> The compiler is slow but honestly good enough |
| 11:43:50 | FromDiscord | <griffith1deadly> In reply to @aintea "The compiler is slow": yea |
| 11:43:55 | FromDiscord | <griffith1deadly> but lsp is a hell |
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| 13:31:33 | FromDiscord | <mr_rowboto> ~~who needs an LSP when all your code comes from an LLM?~~ |
| 13:54:42 | FromDiscord | <jseb> in this part of the manual: https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#types-object-variants |
| 13:56:04 | FromDiscord | <jseb> (edit) "in this part of the manual: https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#types-object-variants ... " added ", what it the intVal, floatVal … in the object type selection ? Are they type ? Other thing ? IntVal (for example) is not defined in Nim (tried with `inim`)" |
| 13:56:52 | FromDiscord | <Phil> In reply to @jseb "in this part of": They are fields, just for me to make a decent analogy, do you know other programming languages that I could maybe reference? |
| 13:57:14 | FromDiscord | <jseb> i know C and Lua |
| 13:57:15 | FromDiscord | <Phil> (edit) "reference?" => "reference for an explanation?" |
| 13:58:33 | FromDiscord | <Phil> Okay I don't know those 😄↵So I'll try from scratch, object variants are discriminated type unions (I think that terminology fits).↵So the fields defined in those inline'd "of" blocks are conditional fields that only exist if the kind field has a specific value when it gets initialized |
| 13:59:58 | FromDiscord | <jseb> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=NCZdxRGY |
| 14:00:06 | FromDiscord | <Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=YrqYUgcV |
| 14:00:32 | FromDiscord | <jseb> aaaahhh it defines a field |
| 14:00:41 | FromDiscord | <jseb> (edit) "aaaahhh it defines a field ... " added "for the object" |
| 14:00:48 | FromDiscord | <Phil> Yeh, the fact the manual inline's the description there really makes it a confusing read |
| 14:00:54 | FromDiscord | <Phil> I think of it as a conditional fields |
| 14:00:56 | FromDiscord | <jseb> with your fromatting, i'm understanding :) |
| 14:01:38 | FromDiscord | <jseb> (edit) ":)" => ":)↵thank you (sometimes i despair with Nim /o\ )" |
| 14:03:49 | FromDiscord | <Phil> Note that you very much should check before accessing those fields because accessing those is a Defect which should be treated as equivalent to panics, aka instant program crashes |
| 14:04:00 | FromDiscord | <Phil> (edit) "Note that you very much should check before accessing those fields because accessing those ... is" added "when they don't exist" |
| 14:05:51 | FromDiscord | <Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=CGeCaDKa |
| 14:20:23 | FromDiscord | <jseb> i thought `else` was mandatory in the nim case/of |
| 14:34:30 | FromDiscord | <Phil> In reply to @jseb "i thought `else` was": Not if your switch statement is exhaustive.↵In fact, not using else is beneficial in those cases because if you later add to the enum all switch statements where that else-case isn't being handled will not cause compiler-errors.↵From a maintenance perspective that's pretty good because it shows you all the places immediately that you need to take into account |
| 14:49:29 | FromDiscord | <jseb> ah i see, it's possible because enum usage in Nim is encouraged (with #define or just int values, that would be another story) |
| 15:11:46 | FromDiscord | <Phil> In reply to @jseb "ah i see, it's": Having half a dozen languages under my bolt, using enums to represent a finite list of values is encouraged pretty much everywhere 😄 |
| 15:11:51 | FromDiscord | <Phil> (edit) "bolt," => "belt," |
| 15:13:10 | FromDiscord | <Phil> At least the second the languages become even semi new |
| 15:13:25 | FromDiscord | <Phil> (edit) "At least the second the languages become even semi new ... " added "(meaning like... java, maybe C++ already has enums as well?)" |
| 15:32:30 | FromDiscord | <explosiveend> In reply to @aintea "The LSP is horrible": yeah it’s annoying, idk why tho |
| 15:33:50 | FromDiscord | <explosiveend> is it like a “it’s not important rn” kind of thing |
| 15:34:01 | FromDiscord | <explosiveend> or nobody wants to deal with it |
| 15:34:57 | FromDiscord | <aintea> A mix of both |
| 15:35:28 | FromDiscord | <aintea> It actually is important, it scored quite high in the last Nim poll but it looks like a chore to deal with |
| 15:36:12 | FromDiscord | <explosiveend> ooo nim poll? didnt know about that |
| 15:36:15 | FromDiscord | <explosiveend> where are those done |
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| 16:35:00 | FromDiscord | <Phil> In reply to @explosiveend "where are those done": Typically they're posted in the forum.↵If you want to take a look at them, look at the blog and just browser-search for the word "survey"↵https://nim-lang.org/blog.html |
| 16:35:39 | FromDiscord | <Phil> The poll typically starts somewhere near the end of the year and results are published somewhere near the start of the year after |
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| 17:41:47 | FromDiscord | <aintea> Also a lot of work is currently directed towards rewriting the compiler so it doesn't need to transpile to C before compiling to machine code, it'll compile directly to machine code |
| 17:42:03 | FromDiscord | <aintea> No idea when it will release but I'm pretty sure it will be in Nim 3 |
| 17:42:27 | FromDiscord | <aintea> All while being retro compatible from what I understand |
| 17:42:49 | FromDiscord | <Phil> Which, given my backend is like 10k loc, is going to be interesting for me |
| 17:43:07 | FromDiscord | <Phil> But ey, problem for 2027 or sth |
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| 18:53:55 | FromDiscord | <Mason Wheeler> Looking at [the documentation for the memory-mapped files APIs,](https://nim-lang.org/docs/memfiles.html#mapMem%2CMemFile%2CFileMode%2Cint%2Cint) it says that when calling `mapMem`, the `offset` parameter must be a multiple of the OS's page size.↵↵Is there any cross-platform Nim way of finding out, at runtime, what that page size is? |
| 19:07:24 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I don't think so, just say it's 4096 and hope that it never bites you 😄 |
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| 20:30:42 | FromDiscord | <aintea> Lmao |
| 20:31:07 | FromDiscord | <aintea> I mean what obscure OS would have page size set to other than 4096 |
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| 22:20:26 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> In reply to @stormhunter__ "Looking at [the documentation": you could write some C code to achieve that, that returns an int, and wrap your glue code into nim and call that from your code |
| 22:20:56 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> or wrap the C functions that you would use in that C code, and do the same in Nim |
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