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| 08:23:55 | Araq | Varriount: the compiler allows it but our docs say this: |
| 08:23:59 | Araq | ## Builtin 'addr' operator for taking the address of a memory location. |
| 08:24:00 | Araq | ## Cannot be overloaded. |
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| 09:25:35 | Araq | hrm does any code check for 'when defined(nimrod)' ? |
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| 10:40:15 | OnO | what's the purpose of this check? |
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| 11:33:06 | Araq | OnO: alternative implementations must not define it |
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| 13:54:04 | Araq | r-ku: your test case doesn't work |
| 13:54:24 | Araq | tgenericprocmatcher.nim(13, 16) Error: ambiguous call; both system.new(T: typedesc) and mgenericprocmatcher.new(_: typedesc[T]) match for: (typedesc[FBar]) |
| 13:57:11 | r-ku | Araq: judging from error i would say fix doesnt work because mgenericprocmatcher.new() is more specific than system.new() |
| 13:58:26 | Araq | I cannot see how proc new*(_: typedesc): int = 4 can be picked over system.new |
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| 14:00:07 | r-ku | ehm, error does not mention this proc at all |
| 14:00:40 | Araq | yeah but typedesc[T] vs typedesc is also nothing we need to support IMHO |
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| 14:00:55 | Araq | the test works when I disable the dubious cases 3 and 4 |
| 14:01:35 | Araq | so that's good enough |
| 14:01:55 | r-ku | i just pulled from devel, rebuilt compiler using bootstrap.sh and triest that test - works for me |
| 14:02:22 | r-ku | Nim/tests/generics % nim c -r tgenericprocmatcher.nim; echo $? |
| 14:02:24 | r-ku | prints 0 |
| 14:02:29 | r-ku | im not doing something retarded right? |
| 14:02:33 | Araq | also I'm renaming "tgenericprocmatcher" to something that's useful |
| 14:02:54 | r-ku | awesome, because i had no clue how to name it |
| 14:03:13 | Araq | toverloading_basedon_typedesc |
| 14:03:45 | Araq | well your devel is not my devel |
| 14:04:03 | Araq | but I haven't changed anything related to typedesc, so it's a bit weird |
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| 14:06:05 | r-ku | my devel tracks your devel on github, last commit "Merge pull request #3042 from k2nr/fix-readme-typo" |
| 14:06:13 | r-ku | so im confused.. |
| 14:06:31 | Araq | my devel isn't pushed yet |
| 14:08:45 | r-ku | that makes it your fault then >:) |
| 14:09:22 | Araq | but I cannot be bothered with this nonsense now. I disabled the dubious tests |
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| 14:10:21 | r-ku | were there any changes around that area? it surely couldnt break on its own |
| 14:10:48 | Araq | oh hrm |
| 14:10:51 | Araq | strange |
| 14:11:06 | Araq | my version of sigmatch doesn't have the typedesc patch at all ? o.O |
| 14:12:17 | r-ku | so being precise.. "your devel != your devel" |
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| 14:36:54 | FedeOmoto | does generics play well with inheritance? |
| 14:37:00 | FedeOmoto | the following code fails to compile: |
| 14:37:15 | FedeOmoto | type |
| 14:37:15 | FedeOmoto | Data[T] = object of RootObj |
| 14:37:15 | FedeOmoto | value: T |
| 14:37:15 | FedeOmoto | TypeObj = object of RootObj |
| 14:37:15 | FedeOmoto | Type = ref TypeObj |
| 14:37:16 | FedeOmoto | SubTypeObj[T] = object of TypeObj |
| 14:37:18 | FedeOmoto | data: Data[T] |
| 14:37:20 | FedeOmoto | SubType[T] = ref SubTypeObj[T] |
| 14:37:22 | FedeOmoto | SubSubTypeObj[T] = object of SubTypeObj[T] |
| 14:37:24 | FedeOmoto | SubSubType[T] = ref SubSubTypeObj[T] |
| 14:37:26 | FedeOmoto | SubSubSubTypeObj[T] = object of SubSubTypeObj[T] |
| 14:37:28 | FedeOmoto | SubSubSubType[T] = ref SubSubSubTypeObj[T] |
| 14:37:32 | FedeOmoto | method value[T](t: SubType[T]): T = |
| 14:37:34 | FedeOmoto | t.data.value |
| 14:37:36 | FedeOmoto | proc newSubSubSubType[T](data: T): SubSubSubType[T] = |
| 14:37:38 | FedeOmoto | new(result) |
| 14:37:40 | FedeOmoto | result.data.value = data |
| 14:37:42 | FedeOmoto | echo newSubSubSubType(1234).value |
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| 14:43:27 | r-ku | this is where you provide error message |
| 14:44:34 | FedeOmoto | hehe |
| 14:44:36 | FedeOmoto | sorry: |
| 14:44:37 | FedeOmoto | c.nim(21, 28) Error: type mismatch: got (SubSubSubType[system.int]) |
| 14:44:38 | FedeOmoto | but expected one of: |
| 14:44:38 | FedeOmoto | c.value(t: SubType[value.T]) |
| 14:45:01 | FedeOmoto | I don't understand the "value.T" in the last line |
| 14:46:05 | FedeOmoto | on the other hand, if I change the method signature to: |
| 14:46:06 | FedeOmoto | method value(t: SubType[int]): int |
| 14:46:11 | FedeOmoto | it works OK |
| 14:46:37 | Araq | FedeOmoto: no, they do not. |
| 14:47:03 | FedeOmoto | Araq: ouch... |
| 14:47:09 | Araq | and even we fix the bugs and implement the missing type relations they won't work well. |
| 14:48:26 | FedeOmoto | so, based on your answer I can't expect them to work on the short term, right? |
| 14:49:07 | Araq | ozra was working on the generic subtyping relation and gave up. ;-) |
| 14:49:31 | FedeOmoto | I was doing a massive refactoring on my code while I found this, now I've to "fall back" to my ugly but working implementation :( |
| 14:49:58 | Araq | well |
| 14:50:32 | Araq | if your refactoring leads to SubSubSubType ... |
| 14:50:52 | Araq | maybe your refactoring isn't that good. |
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| 14:51:59 | FedeOmoto | that was just an example to illustrate the problem |
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| 14:52:56 | Araq | https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/88 |
| 14:54:24 | Araq | that said, I don't remember why it's hard to do |
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| 14:55:10 | FedeOmoto | thx Araq |
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| 15:00:07 | FedeOmoto | Araq: maybe you should set up a challenge for this one like you did for the dlopen/TLS issue :P |
| 15:00:57 | Araq | hrm yeah, that worked surprisingly well |
| 15:02:31 | FedeOmoto | haha |
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| 15:10:49 | fowl | Does nim have websockets? |
| 15:11:19 | Araq | fowl: onionhammer has a websockets module iirc |
| 15:13:46 | fowl | Thanks found it |
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| 15:14:51 | fowl | This still uses asyncio :( |
| 15:17:39 | Araq | "still"? |
| 15:20:15 | fowl | Yes |
| 15:20:39 | fowl | If i want to use it with jester i have to juggle async libs |
| 15:20:41 | federico3 | it it deprecated already? |
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| 15:22:55 | Araq | I'm sure dom96 will happily port it over to jester |
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| 15:24:05 | federico3 | strcmp1: ping? |
| 15:24:26 | federico3 | dom96: when are you going to get a pint in Dublin with strcmp1 and me? |
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| 16:12:54 | OnO | how do I bootstrap Nim that has some new Magic introduced? I get UnknownMagic on 2nd pass (after compiling C source) |
| 16:16:27 | r-ku | OnO: new magic cant appear in stdlib then building new compiler version |
| 16:16:51 | r-ku | dirty bandaid could be commenting it out when building new version |
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| 16:31:22 | OnO | okay, but what's the standard workflow, do we need to generate new csources any time new magic is introduced? |
| 16:38:46 | r-ku | OnO: that i dont know, just telling you what i figured out on my own |
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| 16:50:06 | strcmp1 | federico3, pong |
| 16:57:51 | Demos | OnO: I usually step back in the git history till I have a version I can build |
| 16:57:53 | Demos | and report the bug |
| 16:58:07 | Demos | sometimes bootstrap does break unfortunately |
| 17:01:24 | OnO | oh well... I'd need to report bug to myself, since it is me who introduces new Magic, but I wanted ask what's the workflow :P |
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| 17:07:01 | federico3 | hey strcmp1 |
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| 17:31:21 | Araq | OnO: the workflow is to put it into a 'when not defined(booting)' |
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| 18:35:11 | Learath2 | Is there anyway I can divide an int64 in nim ? |
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| 18:38:26 | Demos | try the div operator |
| 18:38:35 | Demos | like 4 div 3 |
| 18:45:14 | Learath2 | works fine with ints not int64s |
| 18:47:56 | Araq | 3'i64 div 4'i64 works for me |
| 18:51:05 | Learath2 | https://gist.github.com/0e5f830d0f2a6f6f9727 this is what I was trying gets me test.nim(3, 15) Error: type mismatch: got (int64, int64) |
| 18:51:45 | Learath2 | oh nvm me the editor just wouldnt save .... |
| 18:51:48 | Learath2 | div indeed works |
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| 19:25:09 | Varriount|Mobile | Araq: Should 'addr' be overloadable (eg, used as the identifier for a procedure)? |
| 19:25:29 | Araq | Varriount|Mobile: as I said, the docs say it's not overloadable |
| 19:26:18 | Varriount|Mobile | Oh. Hm. |
| 19:26:23 | reactormonk | dom96, soooo you want checked exceptions? |
| 19:27:03 | Varriount|Mobile | reactormonk: Don't you dare. |
| 19:27:23 | Varriount|Mobile | We've all seen the mess Java made of checked exceptions. |
| 19:27:24 | reactormonk | Varriount|Mobile, well, he wanted exceptions in doc and make sure that they're in there :-) |
| 19:27:47 | reactormonk | Maybe I'm painting the issue overly dramatic |
| 19:28:04 | Demos | we have something like checked exceptions |
| 19:28:08 | Demos | they are just opt-in |
| 19:28:24 | Demos | lets not add some kind of special exception type though |
| 19:30:19 | dom96 | reactormonk: we already have checked exceptions |
| 19:30:26 | dom96 | just sane ones |
| 19:30:30 | dom96 | not shitty java ones |
| 19:31:18 | dom96 | If you explicitly say "{.raises: BlahError.}" I would like the docgen to tell you "Please document this error, including the scenario in which it gets raised." |
| 19:31:35 | dom96 | or at least have a warning |
| 19:33:07 | Araq | if you explicitly say this the compiler including doc2 does check it for you |
| 19:33:25 | Araq | no idea why you want the same but only in the doc comments |
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| 19:39:13 | dom96 | because I want explanations of when the exception gets raised |
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| 19:47:39 | Araq | and how can the doc generator help with that? |
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| 20:08:42 | Varriount|Mobile | Araq: For Windows, the equivalant 'readlink' procedure (GetFinalPathNameByHandle) returns a path with the \\?\ notation. Should that be removed? |
| 20:09:51 | Araq | no |
| 20:10:06 | Araq | implement it with as few lines as possible |
| 20:10:56 | reactormonk | Is that still a valid path? |
| 20:11:08 | Varriount|Mobile | reactormonk: On windows, yes. |
| 20:11:12 | reactormonk | ok |
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| 20:12:17 | Varriount|Mobile | reactormonk: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365247(v=vs.85).aspx |
| 20:12:24 | Varriount|Mobile | Search for '\\?\' |
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| 20:31:19 | Varriount|Mobile | Araq: Also, the GetFinalPathNameByHandle procedure doesn't error when the given file is not a symlink/hardlink/junction point |
| 20:33:26 | dom96 | Araq: by checking if those errors are documented |
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| 20:41:50 | Araq | Varriount: yeah I thought about it. IMo expandSymlink should simply return the path unchanged if it's not a symlink. |
| 20:42:34 | Araq | so I can apply this call without thinking, and in the rare cases where I need to check, I can easily do 'if res == original' |
| 20:42:35 | reactormonk | Araq, sounds reasonable. do we have an isSymlink or similar? |
| 20:42:45 | Araq | yeah, I think we do |
| 20:43:02 | Araq | dom96: aha, ok I see |
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| 20:58:59 | dom96 | federico3: Have you guys already had a pint? |
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| 21:00:48 | Elliot42 | If I have case n: of 1..8: print "yes" else: discard, will the compiler optimize away the 1..8 and replace it with >=1 and <= 8? |
| 21:00:59 | Elliot42 | Otherwise the program would iterate through the sequence for no reason |
| 21:01:25 | Elliot42 | Like let's say I'm in a tight loop, and I have 1..1000, that will take a long time to check versus >=1 and <= 1000 |
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| 21:02:04 | def- | Elliot42: use nim -d:release c and check the C file, then you know what happened |
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| 21:02:24 | Araq | Elliot42: yes, the compiler is smart enough to pick the most efficient solution |
| 21:02:39 | reactormonk | also, this kind of optimization will probably happen in the C compiler |
| 21:02:40 | Elliot42 | Cool. Though you're right, in the future I'll just check the C |
| 21:02:49 | Araq | and the C code doesn't do, you need to check the generated assembler |
| 21:02:57 | def- | oh, right |
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| 21:03:31 | Elliot42 | reactormonk: I don't know if gcc would know to optimize it, because the naive compilation is iterating through a sequence, and the compiler wouldn't necessarily be able to tell its a contiguous sequence |
| 21:03:54 | reactormonk | Elliot42, I'd hope seq is consistent enough to allow for this optimization |
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| 21:04:24 | Araq | well the question was about 'case', not 'seq' |
| 21:05:09 | reactormonk | Oh oops. |
| 21:05:18 | Elliot42 | Nim really interests me, because it feels like python but is fast enough for my needs (python isn't, and pypy/numpy don't fix it). I plan to switch most of my work to it once it hits 1.0. Do you have any idea when that might happen? I heard it was planned for this summer. |
| 21:05:25 | reactormonk | Too many shortcuts taken. |
| 21:05:52 | reactormonk | Elliot42, we're beating each other to backwards compability usually :-) |
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| 21:06:11 | Elliot42 | reactormonk: What do you mean? |
| 21:06:32 | reactormonk | There shouldn't be too much change until 1.0 I'd say... |
| 21:06:54 | reactormonk | Araq, got a list somewhere what you want until 1.0? |
| 21:07:16 | Elliot42 | I know, I was just thinking its best to wait until the compiler is stable so I don't have to worry as much about errors |
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| 21:09:04 | Araq | reactormonk: todo.txt plus bugfixes, bugfixes, bugfixes |
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| 21:09:45 | Araq | 43 open high priority bugs |
| 21:10:14 | reactormonk | Araq, http://www.raidkillsbugs.com/-/media/raid/products/raid-multi-insect-killer-7.png |
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| 22:03:37 | dtscode | dom96: ping |
| 22:03:48 | dom96 | yes? |
| 22:04:08 | dom96 | stop pinging me and just ask |
| 22:04:15 | dtscode | fair enough. sorry |
| 22:04:43 | dtscode | I have some ideas for the irc module that I would like to run by you to see if they would get accepted before I implement them |
| 22:05:25 | dtscode | First: an option to turn on zwsp for this: http://ayu.smar.fi:7070/0/zwsp |
| 22:06:42 | dtscode | second: functions that let you send fake irc responses to the bot, like fake_privmsg(client, "channel to originate from", "some_msg") for testing purposes |
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| 22:09:08 | dom96 | dtscode: possibly yes to the second |
| 22:09:18 | dtscode | what about the first? |
| 22:09:21 | dom96 | first should be a separate package I think |
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| 22:09:31 | dtscode | fair enough |
| 22:12:25 | dtscode | hrmm... I was thinking about also implementing an ignore list, but I guess thats pretty easily handled client side |
| 22:12:34 | dtscode | s/client/user/ |
| 22:13:28 | dom96 | you should build a bot framework on top of the irc lib |
| 22:13:57 | dtscode | what would this framework do? |
| 22:14:18 | dtscode | + that the irc lib doesn't already |
| 22:14:42 | dom96 | the nice things you propose |
| 22:14:47 | dom96 | look at other bot frameworks for inspiration |
| 22:14:53 | dtscode | fair enough |
| 22:14:58 | dtscode | thanks dom96 |
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| 22:22:02 | dtscode | oh I'm sorry dom96. one more thing (probably should have written these down). why aren't the client fields like nick exported? |
| 22:22:23 | perturbation | is it possible to use a regular expression (from the re module) as a compile-time constant? |
| 22:22:40 | dom96 | dtscode: likely an oversight, should probably be a getter though |
| 22:23:03 | perturbation | I'm getting the following error (lib/impure/re.nim(84, 28) Error: VM is not allowed to 'cast') when declaring `const AdvertiserRegex = re"\s*j\s*=\s*([0-9])+"` |
| 22:23:06 | dtscode | thats what I was thinking dom96 |
| 22:23:11 | perturbation | if I use a let or var, everything works as normal |
| 22:23:22 | Araq | perturbation: no, but with a bit of luck lexim works at compile-time |
| 22:23:45 | Demos | does re use PCRE? |
| 22:23:50 | Araq | yes |
| 22:23:56 | dtscode | extended PCRE by default |
| 22:24:08 | dtscode | I didn't know that and I was getting so tripped up |
| 22:24:26 | perturbation | thanks Araq - I'll check out lexim |
| 22:24:38 | Araq | dtscode: re is deprecated anyway |
| 22:24:57 | Demos | what's the replacement? |
| 22:25:03 | Araq | nre |
| 22:25:10 | dtscode | oh well |
| 22:26:27 | FedeOmoto | Araq: thx for fixing #3038! :D |
| 22:28:30 | Araq | that doesnt fix #88 though |
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| 22:53:59 | Araq | so ... 1400 closed bugs now. :-) |
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| 22:55:09 | Araq | 530 open bugs, but 122 feature requests |
| 22:55:36 | Araq | that's 408 open bugs |
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| 22:58:44 | dom96 | not bad |
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| 23:38:07 | reactormonk | What would be strongSpaces? |
| 23:38:46 | federico3 | dom96: not yet :) |
| 23:39:22 | def- | reactormonk: http://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#syntax-strong-spaces |
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