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00:12:57	FromDiscord	<robohack> What is the best way to get input from stdin character by character (don’t wait for new lines)? I also don’t want the typed characters to be automatically echoed so that I can do some things like tab completion. Is getch() the only way?
00:21:51	sealmove	robohack
00:21:58	sealmove	you probably have to enter raw mode
00:22:22	sealmove	https://viewsourcecode.org/snaptoken/kilo/02.enteringRawMode.html
00:23:41	sealmove	getting input each time \n appears, and characters echoed, is terminal's doing. So you have to configure that.
00:25:08	sealmove	I've done this in Nim specifically before, so you can have this for reference: https://github.com/sealmove/hex/blob/master/editor.nim#L24
00:26:57	sealmove	I used some templates for easier configuration: https://github.com/sealmove/hex/blob/master/header.nim#L99
00:29:28	FromDiscord	<robohack> Awesome, thanks for that. I will check it out.
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00:31:08	FromDiscord	<robohack> That is what I was looking for!
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02:19:27	sealmove	robohack you're welcome ;)
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05:36:15	FromDiscord	<crates> does anyone know how to accept a variable number of types in a generic function? say creating a function like 'view' where 'view[type1, type2, type3]()' and 'view[type1, type2]()' would work
05:37:41	FromDiscord	<juan_carlos> varargs
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05:49:43	FromGitter	<alehander42> you might want to pass them directly
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05:49:51	FromGitter	<alehander42> like `view(type1, type2, type3)`
05:50:13	FromGitter	<alehander42> and use varargs as juan_carlos suggested
05:50:39	FromGitter	<alehander42> the type of a type is `type` :P
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05:51:58	FromDiscord	<crates> cheers I'll give it a shot
06:02:46	FromGitter	<nickdex> Hello everyone, I recently picked up nim and am using it for contributing to Cosmos (https://github.com/OpenGenus/cosmos) repo. For building a proc to calculate average, I was wondering if I could use generics to ensure only sequence of numeric values could be passed to my proc. Can anyone point me where/what should I start reading? For my I accepting all types and manually checking if its either float or int.
06:03:26	Araq	something like proc p[T: SomeNumber](values: openArray[T])
06:03:50	Araq	alehander42: the type of a type is actually 'typedesc'
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06:08:20	FromGitter	<alehander42> yes, you can use `or`
06:08:52	FromGitter	<alehander42> there are many builtin combos already
06:09:00	FromGitter	<alehander42> but they all use `or`
06:09:24	FromGitter	<alehander42> look at https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/lib/system.nim#L91
06:09:41	FromGitter	<alehander42> one of those
06:09:45	FromGitter	<alehander42> maybe SomeNumber?
06:14:00	FromGitter	<alehander42> hm, sorry, if you want to pass "sequence" tho, this might not work
06:14:31	FromGitter	<alehander42> as you can't really create a sequence of A|B
06:17:38	FromGitter	<alehander42> just use float honestly: it seems most other impl just use this or int
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07:13:55	Zevv	'moin #nim. I recently had some need of benchmarking stuff at compile time, but there is no API avaible for telling time in the VM. A similar thing just came up in the forum, so maybe it would make sense to implement some bare necessities to support this.
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07:17:06	Zevv	clock() is a poor interface, but it's likely to be the most portable method available. Would it make sense to add this to the VM?
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07:25:28	PMunch	Zevv, hmm how does the compiler grab the timestamp of it's compilation time? Is that just a staticExec to something?
07:25:50	Zevv	not sure, but good point
07:27:22	FromGitter	<alehander42> the compiler runs runtime code
07:27:37	FromGitter	<alehander42> or is that a different timestamp?
07:28:06	PMunch	I'm talking about the timestamp in "nim --version" that shows the date it was compiled on
07:28:34	Zevv	Doesn't the compiler also check current time vs file mtime, and things like that?
07:28:40	FromGitter	<alehander42> ah sorry
07:28:45	Zevv	Ah nevermind, that's nonsense
07:29:21	Zevv	I think we just need posix/ansi C clock() and maybe clock_gettime(), but that will need all kind of other implementations for other platforms
07:29:32	Zevv	clock() is a low hanging fruit and is probably ok for basic profiling
07:32:12	FromGitter	<alehander42> so indeed this was a good question
07:33:52	Zevv	yes, but what is the *answer*? :)
07:35:02	FromGitter	<alehander42> the compiler seems to calculate "CompileDate" from getDateStr
07:35:09	FromGitter	<alehander42> and put this in the final source
07:36:53	FromGitter	<alehander42> getTime*
07:37:29	Zevv	yeah but the compiler doesn't do that at compile time right
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07:37:48	PMunch	It can't, getDateStr uses "clock_gettime" on Linux
07:38:02	Zevv	sure, it's available there, but not in the VM
07:38:07	Zevv	which is the point.
07:38:19	FromGitter	<alehander42> but guys
07:38:21	FromGitter	<alehander42> the compiler
07:38:23	FromGitter	<alehander42> runs at runtime
07:38:31	FromGitter	<alehander42> like
07:38:39	FromGitter	<alehander42> the compiler code is not CompileTime code
07:39:18	Zevv	that's what I ment :)
07:39:27	FromGitter	<alehander42> we're talking about the nim compiler itself
07:39:32	Zevv	right :)
07:39:33	PMunch	Aha, CompileDate is a compiler magic..
07:39:37	FromGitter	<alehander42> yes
07:39:52	Zevv	so my proposal is to add cpuTime() magic
07:40:24	PMunch	alehander42, yes but the compiler itself has the time it was compiled in it. So it must at some point get that time when it's compiling itself
07:40:24	FromGitter	<alehander42> yeah i see what you mean, that one would be able to const COMPILE_TIME = cpuTime() etc
07:40:42	FromGitter	<alehander42> but that's while its running
07:41:42	FromGitter	<alehander42> the compiler on its runtime gets getTime(), while its semchecking CompileDate and replaces it in the final AST with a string node
07:41:49	Zevv	exactly.
07:42:00	FromGitter	<alehander42> but yeah, a time vm primitive would be better probably
07:42:03	Zevv	so lets talk about 'vm' or 'native' instead of 'compile time'
07:42:14	FromGitter	<alehander42> yeah, its very confusing :P
07:42:22	FromGitter	<alehander42> btw PMunch, so what
07:42:32	FromGitter	<alehander42> we share a room with the minimalistic langs?
07:43:02	FromGitter	<alehander42> i guess that means a talk or two for our langs?
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07:51:17	PMunch	Yeah we went from our proposed half-day room to sharing a full day with the Minimalistic Languages room
07:51:53	PMunch	Last year they had 17 talks
07:52:20	PMunch	Most in the 20-30 minute range
07:52:51	PMunch	https://archive.fosdem.org/2019/schedule/track/minimalistic_languages/ <- Last year
07:53:00	FromGitter	<alehander42> so we can squeeze ~2 i guess
07:53:02	FromGitter	<alehander42> maybe
07:53:17	FromGitter	<alehander42> but yeah, its actually a
07:53:38	FromGitter	<alehander42> new submission form, so maybe there are other langs
07:54:13	PMunch	I mean it really depends on how many talks that gets proposed
07:54:22	FromGitter	<alehander42> we can propose 50
07:54:25	FromGitter	<alehander42> just look at our RFC-s
07:54:49	PMunch	Haha, be my guest :)
07:55:08	PMunch	I mean you don't realy have to actually write the talk until after its accepted
07:57:06	PMunch	Okay, so they wanted a 1 day room, we asked for 0.5 day. Condensing that down to 1 day means 0.75 for "them" and 0.25 for "us" (I really don't like to distinguish, we're supposed to work together after all) means 17 talks/day * 0.25 days = 4.25 talks
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08:02:38	FromGitter	<raydf> Is there any plan for widget based UI macros framework, like Flutter but with Nim instead of Dart?
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08:05:50	PMunch	raydf, what do you mean by "widget based UI macros framework"?
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08:50:23	FromGitter	<nickdex> @alehander42 Thanks for that I didn't knew we can use `or`, kinda like TypeScript. I'll experiment with SomeNumber, sound like a good fit. My first impl was with float, then I started thinking about making it generic, might just create PR with float in end if it doesn't work out
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08:56:29	FromGitter	<alehander42> yeah, the issue is that you can't really create a "generic" sequence in non-generic code
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09:14:41	skrylar[m]	@awr1 i thought rust was interesting, though the compile times were so bad i swear whatever the borrow checker saved me i lost in waiting for compiles :p
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09:17:41	FromDiscord	<Rika> rust has pretty quick compile times now afaik
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09:20:27	FromDiscord	<Rika> do `ref object`s need `=destroy`s?
09:22:37	PMunch	Are you using --newruntime?
09:22:58	PMunch	With the default garbage collecter you don't need =destroy
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09:25:48	livcd	Rika: really ? where I can read about it ?
09:27:56	FromDiscord	<mratsim> ref objects have no destroy anyway
09:28:23	FromDiscord	<mratsim> if you want specific behaviour on ref object end of life you can use finalizers
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09:42:01	FromDiscord	<Rika> okay
09:42:52	FromDiscord	<Rika> uh
09:43:00	FromDiscord	<Rika> how exactly do i make a finalizer >_<
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09:43:45	FromGitter	<alehander42> do you need it ?
09:44:06	FromGitter	<alehander42> i mean, do you want to do something specific when its collected
09:45:18	FromDiscord	<Rika> yes
09:45:22	FromDiscord	<Rika> close a dbconn
09:47:14	FromGitter	<alehander42> iirc you need to write it like https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/1652
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09:49:19	FromGitter	<alehander42> but i'd use something like context manager template or similar, not sure if finalizers are better fit
09:49:23	FromGitter	<alehander42> depends on the case
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09:54:14	FromDiscord	<Rika> it's gonna be an object that's gonna be passed around a lot i guess
09:57:35	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> I think that part where youtube detects if you say like and subscribe might hold some weight, but it's impossible to say with a single sample size(#8 surpased #7, which none other video has)
09:58:30	FromDiscord	<Rika> there are a lot of factors
09:58:57	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Yeah imma wait for a bigger sample to confirm it
09:59:28	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> YouTube does do a lot of shady stuff that they don't tell you, you only hear about it from other YouTubers that are already big and actually get news from staff.
10:00:29	FromDiscord	<djazz> If Manning didnt ship the book (Nim in Action) with FedEx I would have it now.
10:01:44	narimiran	there you go again, obsessing about meaningless numbers :D
10:02:02	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Shush.... mute.
10:02:42	FromGitter	<alehander42> i figured out nim thought most of my single example files are in package
10:02:50	FromGitter	<alehander42> because i have <myusername>.nimble
10:02:53	FromGitter	<alehander42> in my home dir
10:02:58	FromGitter	<alehander42> what am i doing
10:04:44	FromDiscord	<Rika> you coulda just typed your username in gitter rather than <myusername>
10:06:33	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Is SDL2_gfx a thing made by Vladar4 ?
10:06:33	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Is this the official way of obtaining it trough a dropbox ?: https://github.com/Vladar4/sdl2_nim/blob/master/LINKS.md
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10:13:57	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Where are nimble packages installed to (on windows 10) ? or where can i find this information ?
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10:14:42	narimiran	`nimble path`
10:14:50	narimiran	https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/#nimble-path
10:15:34	narimiran	why am i reading readme for you?
10:15:50	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Sorry, i must have went over it
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10:23:24	FromGitter	<alehander42> rika, well not really : if i just say `al` its not obvious this is my user name
10:23:46	FromGitter	<alehander42> but you're right that actually it doesnt matter if its my user name, <anyident>.nimble seems to lead to the same
10:38:40	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> That's a lot of DLLs required for making games with it oO
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10:39:18	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Not much different than how most AAA games directories look like actually xD, a clusterfuck of dlls.
10:39:41	narimiran	wait, are you considering making a game for some of the next videos?
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10:39:59	narimiran	from "how to write if statement" to games might be quite a leap :D
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10:40:14	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> I am thinking of trying to mixing it
10:41:04	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> install git, sdl2, show them a simple sdl2 program, explain as best i can, only the actual code not the army of procedures on the top, then teach loops etc from there... maybe...
10:41:15	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> gotta figure out first how difficult this will be
10:47:29	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Probably not for today's video yet, gotta plan what things i gotta teach before SDL2
10:51:45	planetis[m]	I have a question about custom pragmas. So when the code (type section, proc, etc) is type checked, the pragmas are stripped right? Meaning I can't get them from a typed macro?
10:55:38	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Yeah not today. They gotta learn a bit more first, gotta make it more entertaining though.
10:56:54	narimiran	agreed about 'more entertaining'. maybe you can now make some small program, based on the stuff you showed already
10:57:24	narimiran	and then after 5-6 more videos, once again some interesting example using those skills, etc.
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11:10:46	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> I was planning a simple calculator
11:14:10	FromGitter	<alehander42> sounds ok!
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11:39:15	FromDiscord	<Rika> me being dumb again; any docs for how functional programming works on nim?
11:40:42	PMunch	Depends on what you mean by functional programming
11:40:53	PMunch	A lot of the concepts are just there in Nim
11:41:35	PMunch	You can also use `func` instead of `proc` to create a procedure that is guaranteed to be side-effect free
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11:42:34	PMunch	Or something like https://github.com/zero-functional/zero-functional to do zero-cost chaining for a more typical functional workflow
11:44:17	FromDiscord	<Rika> i just cant seem to figure out how to store a function with a varargs in a variable/object
11:44:26	FromDiscord	<Rika> am getting `Error: expected: ')', but got: '['`
11:44:36	Zevv	pastebin your code
11:45:03	FromDiscord	<Rika> 1 sec
11:46:06	FromDiscord	<Rika> https://gist.github.com/de-odex/38425fbbbfdb59428e7015abfbb06444 i have NO idea if im doing anything right
11:47:44	Zevv	your arguments need names
11:48:21	FromDiscord	<Rika> what they do?
11:48:22	FromDiscord	<Rika> damn
11:48:23	FromDiscord	<Rika> okay
11:49:02	PMunch	Yup, with names it works just as you would expect: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1Pcm
11:49:17	Zevv	http://ix.io/1PcI
11:49:41	Zevv	ha funny I got a race condition from ix.io, "key already exists"
11:49:49	Zevv	must have been your paste PMunch
11:49:52	FromGitter	<alehander42> x, y vs a, b
11:49:59	FromGitter	<alehander42> the battle of example parameters
11:50:07	Zevv	hehe
11:50:07	FromDiscord	<Rika> i use n m
11:50:08	PMunch	Zevv, huh, might be
11:50:11	FromGitter	<alehander42> i also use a,b
11:50:12	FromGitter	<alehander42> usually
11:50:36	PMunch	a, b makes more sense I guess. Then you can go on for longer..
11:50:54	Zevv	I was just about to leave the Nim community because the bad music taste the other day, but now I found my a,b soulmate I should probably stay
11:51:17	Zevv	I once picked up the as, bs for lists, dont remeber from what language, but I like that also
11:51:24	Zevv	for a in as:
11:51:24	shashlick	@Araq gorge fails on osx after a few calls - http://ix.io/1NNL
11:51:43	PMunch	Zevv, bad music taste?
11:51:57	FromGitter	<alehander42> haskell probably
11:52:08	Zevv	According to araq I was the only one critiquing the music of his viral video :)
11:52:45	FromGitter	<alehander42> you just dont get it zevv
11:53:00	Zevv	alehander42: well, at least I picked up *something* from haskell then
11:53:43	Zevv	@Rika: you good now?
11:54:18	FromGitter	<alehander42> Zevv you can now write "this codebase is inspired by haskell"
11:54:30	FromGitter	<alehander42> the same way bands write "inspired by u2"
11:54:50	PMunch	Zevv, viral video? How much have I missed :P
11:55:08	Zevv	PMunch: depends on your music taste I guess
11:55:16	Zevv	check the forum
11:55:49	Zevv	I must admit Haskell did a good thing opening some parts of my brain I didnt know I had
11:56:11	Zevv	I later wachted three quarters of the Sussman lisp lectures, that was more of a brain opener though
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11:56:42	FromGitter	<alehander42> i want to checkout ML/ocaml sometime this year
11:57:12	Zevv	I'm having a hard time choosing this hears AoC language
11:57:22	Zevv	Nim was 2019's
11:58:38	Zevv	should I do rust? I could use some C++ practice but I don't like that. Ocaml is on the list. choices, choices
11:59:24	Zevv	I'm officially an embedded and systems programmer, and I still have not properly started my rust career. Will that turn out to be a mistake one day?
11:59:50	Zevv	BUt then again, I got away with ignoring C++ up to now as well, so I'm good :)
12:01:09	narimiran	Zevv: this year is 2019
12:01:19	narimiran	so nim it is? :D
12:01:40	Zevv	o right 2019 still, dang
12:01:48	Zevv	2018 sounds sooo 2017
12:01:53	livcd	Zevv: try with Min
12:02:12	Zevv	ha
12:02:28	Zevv	I guess I have to make npeg turing complete then
12:04:09	narimiran	Zevv: fwiw, i plan to do this year AoC in Nim + Ocaml
12:04:31	narimiran	you should pick it too, so we can compare solutions :)
12:04:38	FromGitter	<zetashift> Jumped ship from F# to OCaml huh narimiran!?
12:04:42	narimiran	(i'm an ocaml beginner)
12:04:56	narimiran	zetashift: yeah, ocaml is easier for me on linux
12:05:37	FromGitter	<zetashift> even with .NET Core 3?
12:06:18	FromGitter	<zetashift> (I tried ReasonML but the tooling on windows isn't quite there yet). I really liked the language though
12:06:25	FromGitter	<zetashift> Kinda miss operator overloading though
12:07:00	FromGitter	<alehander42> i might also use ocaml
12:07:02	FromGitter	<alehander42> when is AoC
12:07:19	narimiran	i managed to set up nvim quite nicely for ocaml, so even with .net core 3, i'll stick with ocaml for now
12:07:25	narimiran	Dec 1st – Dec 25th
12:08:10	FromGitter	<zetashift> The languages don't differ that much anyway so enjoy :D
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12:09:03	FromGitter	<alehander42> ty
12:09:35	FromDiscord	<Rika> what does it mean for a proc to be GC-safe
12:09:47	narimiran	yeah, i miss some things from F# (e.g. either there is no `yield` or i just didn't find it), but otherwise they are quite similar. i like ocaml so far
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12:15:11	Zevv	Rika: pracitally, it should not use global data
12:17:07	FromDiscord	<Rika> okay, solved the warning i got. the proc in the object has to be gcsafe too
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12:18:51	FromDiscord	<has1> hi, i think i asked this already
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12:19:24	FromDiscord	<has1> but what would be the equivalent of a go "map" in nim?
12:19:38	FromGitter	<alehander42> Table
12:19:42	Zevv	What is a "map" in go? :)
12:19:51	narimiran	has1: https://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/tables.html
12:20:11	Zevv	has1: var t: Table[A, B], where A and B are your Favourite Types
12:20:17	Zevv	and do 'import tables'
12:22:02	FromDiscord	<has1> ah great, that seems to be what I want, thanks!
12:25:00	FromDiscord	<Rika> is there a reason theyre called tables instead of maps or dicts or whatever other name? im just curious, hopefully i aint starting a war
12:25:32	FromDiscord	<has1> that is an interesting question, and i was looking for an answer to this too
12:25:36	FromDiscord	<has1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_table
12:25:56	narimiran	because wikipedia says so? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_table :P
12:26:07	narimiran	ah, you were faster
12:26:16	FromDiscord	<juan_carlos> map sounds like map of map() of mapping a func to args.
12:26:24	FromDiscord	<Rika> good points
12:26:42	narimiran	...and dict sounds like a dick
12:26:58	FromDiscord	<Rika> how vulgar
12:27:04	FromDiscord	<Rika> i kid, i kid
12:27:37	Zevv	'dicts' are often ment for string -> T mapping
12:27:41	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> some things are hard to let go after getting them hammered into your head
12:27:47	Zevv	tables are more generic: every T you can hash, you can use as a key in a Table
12:28:01	FromDiscord	<Rika> are you referring to me neie?
12:28:43	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> well it takes me a few seconds to remember what tables are in other languages. and to all of you
12:28:53	FromDiscord	<Rika> i dont really have it hammered into my head, because i programmed a tiny bit in lua before, which broke my habit of calling tables dicts before nim
12:29:01	FromDiscord	<Rika> so thankfully no need to go through that again
12:29:08	clyybber	Araq: Since you marked https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/12282 as easy, care to give me a pointer?
12:29:28	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i only used dictionaries in Godot, never used them before, so it shouldn't be too hard to scrap that naming
12:29:46	FromDiscord	<juan_carlos> culon Nim type on Spanish kinda means fat-ass BTW.
12:31:00	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> well it is fat in content
12:31:37	FromDiscord	<mratsim> is go map a hashtable? in that case "import tables" and use Table, OrderedTable TableRef @has1
12:32:02	narimiran	IE has entered the building :D
12:32:19	FromDiscord	<mratsim> oops, discord refresh is slow :/
12:32:55	FromDiscord	<has1> @mratsim thanks though 🙂
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12:33:11	FromDiscord	<has1> I just wanted to try this out
12:33:33	FromDiscord	<has1> ah, i was about to post a 6 line code snippet in here
12:34:22	FromDiscord	<has1> Just before i remembered that everyone is going to freak out from IRC 😄
12:34:31	FromDiscord	<has1> I really like this though
12:34:31	FromDiscord	<has1> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1PZf
12:34:59	Zevv	has1: we trained you well I see
12:35:48	Zevv	has1: surprise: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1PZs
12:36:00	FromDiscord	<Rika> oh yeah
12:36:03	FromDiscord	<Rika> that's odd too
12:36:10	Zevv	:)
12:36:19	FromDiscord	<Rika> why can there be multiple keys? are strings not hAsH wHeN value?
12:36:21	FromDiscord	<Rika> oops
12:36:23	narimiran	moral of the story: don't use `add`
12:36:25	Zevv	Nim tables are a bit, ehm, 'special'
12:36:35	Zevv	use t.data["test"] =
12:36:36	narimiran	use `myTable[key] = value`
12:36:41	FromDiscord	<Rika> *`==` in hash when `==` in value
12:36:45	FromDiscord	<has1> wait what
12:36:45	FromDiscord	<has1> LOL
12:37:13	lqdev[m]	the docs mention this behavior, though
12:37:30	FromDiscord	<Rika> is accessing a missing key safe or doesnt throw an exception?
12:37:34	FromDiscord	<has1> thats actually stupid, no offense
12:37:42	Zevv	has1: if you ever feel the need to get confused, ask us, we're always here for you
12:37:42	FromDiscord	<has1> isn't that the entire point about a hash table?
12:37:43	lqdev[m]	it throws
12:37:53	narimiran	has1 there is a reason why it is the way it is
12:38:04	narimiran	i wanted to remove it, but Araq likes this feature
12:38:08	FromDiscord	<Rika> what's the reason?
12:38:13	lqdev[m]	a KeyError, to be exact @Rika
12:38:22	FromDiscord	<has1> yeah, what is the reason??
12:38:31	narimiran	Rika: you can easily try that yourself ;)
12:38:36	FromDiscord	<Rika> lazy
12:38:40	FromDiscord	<Rika> 😛
12:38:47	FromDiscord	<Rika> it's solved now anyway
12:38:58	FromDiscord	<Rika> now that i think of it it's a dumb question
12:39:18	FromDiscord	<Rika> anyway why is add the way it is?
12:39:36	narimiran	so you can have multiple values for the same key. obviously :P
12:40:01	narimiran	lazy to explain, lol :P
12:40:02	FromDiscord	<Rika> but you cant access the other one w/o some kinda fuckery can you?
12:40:02	FromDiscord	<has1> i was going to applaud nim, because in Go adding something to a nil map panics
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12:40:06	FromDiscord	<Rika> oof nice
12:40:08	FromDiscord	<has1> you have to initialize the map first
12:40:30	narimiran	has1 yours truly has implemented that, btw ;)
12:40:45	FromDiscord	<has1> but the fact that the table can have duplicate keys ruins the applause LOL
12:40:59	FromDiscord	<Rika> OOT: go's interface{} scares me
12:41:00	FromDiscord	<Rika> anyway
12:41:03	PMunch	Yeah that is really strange..
12:41:18	narimiran	it is documented (https://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/tables.html#add%2CTableRef[A%2CB]%2CA%2CB) but nobody reads documentation nowadays
12:41:20	PMunch	Is there a way to get the "surprise" value back?
12:41:30	FromDiscord	<has1> @Rika you dont have to use it though 🙂
12:41:37	PMunch	I mean it's fine that it's documented, but why does it even exist?
12:42:02	narimiran	Rika: accessing "some kinda fuckery": https://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/tables.html#allValues.i%2CTable[A%2CB]%2CA
12:42:07	FromDiscord	<has1> seriously.. this is such unexpected behavior
12:42:09	PMunch	Oh, if you del the key you get the second value..
12:42:27	narimiran	PMunch: because Araq has some feelings for it and doesn't want to see it gone
12:42:34	FromGitter	<zetashift> @narimiran it sortof has a `yield` thing: https://ocaml.janestreet.com/ocaml-core/111.28.00/doc/core_kernel/#Sequence
12:42:34	FromDiscord	<Rika> hey! i read documentation! i was just lazy this one time!
12:42:35	PMunch	https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1Q0G
12:42:40	narimiran	but if you realized the existence of it just now, i'd say we're ok
12:43:13	PMunch	I might have a bug somewhere because of it though..
12:43:31	narimiran	PMunch: did you use `add`? if not, you're fine. if you did: why did you? :D
12:43:33	FromDiscord	<has1> who is Araq
12:43:38	FromDiscord	<Rika> nim creater
12:43:40	FromDiscord	<Rika> creator.
12:43:45	narimiran	capo di tutti capi
12:43:51	FromDiscord	<Rika> "the nimmeister" mentioned somewhere above
12:43:56	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> The man in the sky
12:44:16	PMunch	I might've done in a macro. It's generally easier to generate a call than a BracketExpr
12:44:19	FromDiscord	<has1> but why would he want a table (map) to have duplicate keys?
12:44:22	FromDiscord	<juan_carlos> For a really scary effect put the keys to empty string.
12:44:23	FromDiscord	<has1> that is what an array is for
12:44:31	PMunch	Wait, that behaviour is probably just because it's looking through the bucket sequentially. What happens if the table resizes :S
12:44:51	FromDiscord	<has1> no wait, actually arrays have duplicate values, not duplicate keys
12:45:00	PMunch	juan_carlos, wait why is that worse?
12:45:16	clyybber	Well a hashtable has linked list for collisions, this just appends to them right?
12:45:39	narimiran	zetashift: thanks, but currently i prefer to use "default ocaml", without jane street additions and modifications. i'm writing just some toy examples, so i prefer to keep it clean and lean, without all the additional syntax one should use with jane street stuff
12:45:42	FromDiscord	<juan_carlos> I didnt say worse :P
12:46:14	FromDiscord	<has1> but why does it have to be the set method though?
12:46:27	FromDiscord	<has1> couldn't it at least be some method like setDuplicate
12:46:29	FromDiscord	<has1> or something
12:47:14	FromDiscord	<has1> this api is just going to bite so many noobies from other languages
12:47:29	FromDiscord	<Rika> didnt bite me, i read the docs!
12:47:32	FromDiscord	<Rika> i swear!
12:47:37	narimiran	Zevv: look at what you have done!!!
12:47:55	FromDiscord	<has1> no one reads the docs of every function call they make..
12:48:10	FromDiscord	<Rika> uh
12:48:20	FromDiscord	<Rika> hi i seem to be an exception
12:48:33	narimiran	and "nobody" writes `myTable.add(key, value)`
12:49:09	narimiran	do you write `[]=(mySeq, index, value)`?
12:49:30	FromDiscord	<has1> @narimiran why wouldn't you?
12:49:41	narimiran	because i'm a sane person
12:50:00	PMunch	Yup, it's not really deterministic: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1Q0U
12:50:13	PMunch	Or I guess it's deterministic, but it appears arbitrary
12:50:22	FromDiscord	<has1> most java devs would call the method too btw
12:50:39	FromDiscord	<has1> @narimiran so much to a constructive argument..
12:50:48	FromDiscord	<has1> @narimiran so much for a constructive argument..
12:51:05	Zevv	narimiran: the fun I have! :)
12:51:34	Cadey	narimiran: to quote Q from star trek talking to Twilight Sparkle, "Making sense? Oh, dear Twilight, what fun is there in making sense?"
12:51:38	PMunch	has1, I think he meant calling it like that instead of calling it like `mySeq[index]=value`
12:51:45	FromDiscord	<has1> nim seems to be such a nice language, and then it does silly stuff like this.
12:51:58	Cadey	i actually like the syntax flexibility
12:52:01	Cadey	but i'm weird
12:52:10	PMunch	I like it as well :)
12:52:11	Zevv	narimiran: used to be a programmer, but these days I mainly get payed to walk in, talk to people and sow confusion. They call that "consultancy", and I'm perfectly fine with that. All I need to do is find the polka-dotted elephant, point at it and send my bills end of the month
12:52:16	narimiran	i'll repeat: i really don't like that we have `add`, i tried persuade Araq into removing it, but that didn't happen before v1.0, and it won't happen now, sorry
12:52:26	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i prefer more flexibility more freedom over THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT AND FUCK YOURSELF otherwise.
12:52:35	FromDiscord	<juan_carlos> Weirdo is the new Normie.
12:53:04	Zevv	narimiran: Maybe we should add a warning the the `add` proc, something like "This can introduce duplicate keys into the table!" in fat letters?
12:53:12	PMunch	narimiran, I don't mind `add`, but it should just throw an exception if the key already exists..
12:53:16	narimiran	and now for the reason why it is here.... are you ready?
12:53:23	narimiran	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimap
12:53:24	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> that, that should be fixed
12:53:29	Cadey	PMunch: the real question is if `add` is PUT-like or POST-like
12:53:31	FromDiscord	<has1> @Kiloneie what do you mean? Do you mean you like duplicate keys in the map (table)? or are you saying you like that you can use m[key] = value or m.set(key, value) ?
12:53:37	narimiran	"map or associative array abstract data type in which more than one value may be associated with and returned for a given key"
12:54:00	Cadey	if add is PUT-like, then it would make sense to throw an exception
12:54:11	Cadey	if add is POST-like, then it makes sense for it to replace existing data
12:54:13	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i like different ways of doing anything, but if something makes a duplicate whilst other calls don't, it needs fixing
12:54:22	FromDiscord	<has1> @PMunch an exception is pretty bad too. It should just overwrite it
12:54:23	narimiran	PMunch: it is there so you can have the multimap behaviour
12:54:43	FromDiscord	<Rika> dont you think that should be separated into another object?
12:54:49	PMunch	Cadey, well it's called `add` which shouldn't update something that already exists
12:54:53	Zevv	(So, did we all decide on the color of the bikeshed, or should we assign a committee to agree on a voting procedure?)
12:54:55	Cadey	well
12:54:58	Cadey	does it actually?
12:55:09	narimiran	it doesn't matter what somebody thinks, jesus christ. it is part of nim v1.0.
12:55:24	Cadey	https://nim-lang.org/docs/tables.html#add%2CTable%5BA%2CB%5D%2CA%2CB
12:55:26	FromDiscord	<Rika> okay, im not trying to force anything
12:55:30	PMunch	Zevv, I think we should first decide where to place it
12:55:40	FromDiscord	<Rika> as long as it's documented i think it's fine
12:55:42	Cadey	this claims to put duplicate keys in the table?
12:55:49	Cadey	what does the hexdump of ram say?
12:55:51	FromDiscord	<has1> what do you guys think about adding a
12:55:51	FromDiscord	<has1> ".set" method there? That way it should be clearer for a user, so they look up the difference (and you can guess the difference)
12:55:51	narimiran	Cadey: yes, that's what we're discussing
12:55:55	PMunch	narimiran, I'm just trying to understand why :P
12:56:12	*	narimiran flips table
12:56:16	Zevv	hahaha
12:56:17	FromDiscord	<Rika> i mean it IS called add
12:56:38	narimiran	(and yes, pun was intended)
12:56:47	FromGitter	<zetashift> @narimiran yea I get that, but I was curious myself cause I used recursion for a lot of things instead of `yield`, but still I found myself quickly going through this: https://github.com/c-cube/ocaml-containers instead of using the stdlib.
12:56:55	FromDiscord	<Rika> i have no idea how to fix this... https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1Q2O
12:57:04	*	PMunch flips map
12:57:29	*	PMunch discovers riddle to find X on map that marks treasure
12:57:30	Cadey	Rika: s/{}/@[]/g
12:57:41	Cadey	oh wait
12:57:44	*	PMunch grabs a shovel and run for the hills
12:57:45	Cadey	that's a seq not a set
12:57:46	FromDiscord	<Rika> that looks like regex
12:57:47	FromDiscord	<juan_carlos> PUT-like?, Wait Table has a REST API? :P
12:57:51	PMunch	Uhm sorry, where were we?
12:58:04	Cadey	juan_carlos: it PUTs all of the table problems to REST
12:59:41	PMunch	Rika: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1Q4r
13:00:12	FromDiscord	<Rika> is there a reason nim cannot compile it as is?
13:00:30	PMunch	Essentially the array just needs to know that the set is indeed a set[Style] (once the first element is known it will automatically know the others)
13:00:55	narimiran	right-hand side of `=` is not inferred from left-hand side
13:00:55	PMunch	Well, the reason is that the right hand side is evaluated before it's assigned to the left hand side
13:01:02	PMunch	Yeah
13:01:12	FromDiscord	<Rika> thanks
13:01:29	PMunch	I've asked about this before, not sure if I even got a clear answer as to why it can't do it
13:01:30	FromDiscord	<SrMordred> reading the conversations now about tables and add.
13:01:30	FromDiscord	<SrMordred> being able to duplicate values on the table means for me that this is not the best implementation of table that i could be using.
13:01:37	PMunch	Might just be difficult..
13:01:46	FromDiscord	<Rika> oh no we're back to the table discussion
13:01:49	narimiran	i thought we moved on from that pile of shit
13:01:51	FromDiscord	<SrMordred> sorry xD
13:01:55	FromDiscord	<Rika> let's not
13:02:17	clyybber	It makes sense. It is called add, so its gonna add.
13:02:30	*	Zevv grins
13:02:32	clyybber	If it were called set I'd agree. But it isn't
13:02:34	PMunch	`import tables except add` problem solved
13:02:46	narimiran	SrMordred i would be glad if we had "the best implementation" of hashtables in some nimble package. i'm not being ironic
13:03:05	FromDiscord	<SrMordred> it´s just that this also caught me on surprise
13:03:34	narimiran	somebody could take that as their hacktoberfest task.... https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/5263
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13:04:42	FromDiscord	<SrMordred> @narimiran i´m far from a hash table specialist, but i can try something for fun 😛
13:04:50	narimiran	btw, there's this: https://github.com/LemonBoy/compactdict but "Same API as stdlib's Table" means there's `add` too
13:06:22	narimiran	zetashift thanks for the link for ocaml-containers
13:07:29	PMunch	narimiran, why is that repo archived?
13:07:47	clyybber	It's unmaintained and you should probably use my fork: https://github.com/Clyybber/compactdict
13:08:01	clyybber	Since my fork will replace LemonBoy's repo in important_packages
13:08:11	narimiran	PMunch: because lemonboy got upset, stopped working with nim, and is now using zig
13:08:22	Zevv	oh is he?
13:08:24	PMunch	Oh, that's unfortunate..
13:08:43	PMunch	https://github.com/LemonBoy/compactdict/blob/master/src/compactdict.nim#L161-L162 <- By the way, it seems like it doesn't have the stdlib `add`
13:08:45	Zevv	was it a personal thing?
13:08:58	narimiran	clyybber: oh, nice! ping me when it is ready, and also modify nimble's packages.json to poing to your version
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13:09:41	narimiran	Zevv: yeah, he couldn't stand Table.add, and he left! :P
13:09:51	FromDiscord	<SrMordred> lol
13:09:51	narimiran	PMunch: ah, true
13:09:57	clyybber	narimiran: I'm doing that in the csize -> uint PR. I'm still waiting for nimgame to merge my PR and then I'll push my changes to minize CI usage
13:10:03	Zevv	Yeah, some leave beacuse of the tables, some leave because of the terrible music taste
13:10:35	clyybber	Wow, it just occured to me that leaves are called leaves because they leave the tree
13:10:37	clyybber	duh
13:10:51	FromDiscord	<turbosoggy> How disable gc
13:11:06	Zevv	turbosoggy --gc:none
13:11:07	clyybber	--gc:none
13:11:19	clyybber	Or if you don't want leaks: --newruntime
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13:11:35	FromDiscord	<turbosoggy> Will this prevent me from doing gc allocs
13:11:36	planetis[m]	does anyone know if hasCustomPragma is broken with typed macros?
13:12:05	Zevv	With --newruntime you can at least use *some* of the stdlib
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13:15:36	FromDiscord	<exelotl> --gc:none is good for embedded, but you can't use strings, seqs, tables etc.
13:16:28	planetis[m]	am i doing something wrong: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1Qi7
13:16:46	clyybber	Zevv: With --gc:none you can use all of the stdlib :P
13:17:06	clyybber	FromDiscord: Can you not?
13:17:13	clyybber	I thought you could and it would just leak
13:17:21	clyybber	Nevermind then :)
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13:19:04	PMunch	Well yes, you can still use it
13:19:07	PMunch	But it will leak
13:19:15	PMunch	Because there is no-one around to pick up garbage..
13:19:47	FromDiscord	<exelotl> I've seen warnings about allocation occurring a couple of times, so it seems like Nim at least knows when they happen
13:19:52	Zevv	hm true, so you're better off then with --newruntime, because then you still can't use async or json :)
13:21:12	FromDiscord	<exelotl> In my case I only want static allocation so gc:none is perfect for me, but yeah I guess newruntime is usually the better choice for most people
13:22:35	PMunch	planetis[m], yeah that won't work
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13:33:27	PMunch	planetis[m], you can just "borrow" the logic of hasCustomPragma: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1Qix
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13:37:21	PMunch	planetis[m], or more easily with: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1Qkr
13:37:48	PMunch	Essentially what you were checking was if the NimNode that held the `Ab` sym had a custom pragma, which it doesn't.
13:38:52	PMunch	This will create the call `hasCustomPragma(Ab, pin)` and then tell Nim to get the AST that would be returned by that call, which is a nnkSym that is either "true" or "false"
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13:46:25	FromGitter	<rdlsf-omg> @PMunch An example of flutter: ⏎ https://flutter.dev/docs/development/ui/widgets-intro ⏎ ⏎ ```https://flutter.dev``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5d94aa317fe6a605d16ba798]
13:47:22	planetis[m]	thank you PMunch!
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13:48:46	planetis[m]	I think hasCustomPragma should have been a proc operating with NimNodes not a macro
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13:51:35	narimiran	zetashift: i gave `containers` a quick try, and it seems like a great addition to my workflow, just what i needed! thank you!
13:53:33	PMunch	planetis[m], yeah the way it works now is a bit weird... It should at least offer both
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13:55:01	PMunch	rdlsf-omg, hmm that looks interesting. Not entirely sure what sets it apart from a regular GUI toolkit with widgets though in your opinion
13:55:23	shashlick	@narimiran - any suggestions on https://irclogs.nim-lang.org/01-10-2019.html#23:29:46
13:56:19	narimiran	shashlick: no idea, i'm on linux. sorry
13:56:31	PMunch	I mean you can use nimx on mobile, it uses SDL as it's back-end https://github.com/yglukhov/nimx
13:57:02	PMunch	It doesn't have it's own DSL ATM, but you should be able to create one fairly easily if it's consistent in how it works
13:57:33	shashlick	anyone on osx able to debug why return value is -1 for gorgeEx after a few tries
13:57:53	shashlick	broken since 0.19.6 at the very least
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13:58:50	PMunch	Ah, apparently it has a layout DSL: https://github.com/yglukhov/nimx/blob/master/doc/layout-dsl.md
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14:01:15	FromGitter	<zetashift> @narimiran thank the dudes who maintains the project, but glad you enjoy it!
14:05:53	livcd	I need a guide how to use simd for md5 hashing in Nim :X
14:06:00	livcd	Anyone here worked on something like that ?
14:09:19	narimiran	livcd: my wild guess would be @mratsim
14:12:03	shashlick	https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/12337
14:12:28	shashlick	how do you debug an OSError / IOError condition to see what raises it
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14:14:03	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> it sux when you dont know math, how do they expect me to do raindrops exercise
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14:19:23	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> google math
14:20:36	FromDiscord	<Rika> odd... using terminal, if you set bg as bgDefault setting fg doesnt seem to work
14:21:26	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> theres a few things that didnt work for me either in terminal module
14:22:05	FromDiscord	<Rika> it's outdated-ish? it's a hard to test module i guess
14:22:14	FromDiscord	<juan_carlos> module has a reset too
14:22:23	FromDiscord	<juan_carlos> It seems to work to reset
14:30:10	shashlick	my issue is due to too many open files - seems like VM is not closing files or something
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14:38:59	Zevv	shashlick: link?
14:39:08	Zevv	oh up there ^
14:41:30	Zevv	indeed, gorge opens a pipe but does not close
14:49:07	Zevv	p.close() missing in gorgeimpl.nim?
14:49:16	disruptek	i tol' you george is a curious monkey.
14:53:26	Zevv	the name alone is abhorrent
14:53:59	disruptek	don't be rude.
14:54:05	disruptek	i have two kids named `alone`.
14:56:28	Zevv	shashlick: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/12339
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14:58:53	FromGitter	<rdlsf-omg> @PMunch thx, nice for nimx
14:59:15	FromGitter	<rdlsf-omg> i'll see if i can expand and replicate some of the flutter features
15:02:09	Araq	Zevv: I lost your Z3 gist
15:02:18	Araq	can you send it again please?
15:02:41	Araq	want to play with it a bit
15:08:24	Zevv	gist? its a nimble
15:08:52	Zevv	https://github.com/zevv/nimz3
15:09:31	FromGitter	<alehander42> we have a monkey and a cat with a hat now
15:09:47	Zevv	who's the monkey?
15:10:16	FromGitter	<alehander42> that's just not respectful
15:10:18	FromGitter	<alehander42> to george
15:10:31	Zevv	george leaks
15:10:41	disruptek	you've been known to leak, yourself.
15:10:45	disruptek	don't deny it.
15:10:54	FromGitter	<alehander42> we all leak from time to time
15:11:02	Zevv	if you cant even clean up after yourself, there is no place for you in the stdlib
15:11:23	disruptek	he is but one of many such youngsters in the stdlib.
15:11:26	FromGitter	<alehander42> ok, doctor memory
15:11:42	Zevv	but to be honest, why do we not have proper language constructs to do this for us?
15:11:56	FromGitter	<alehander42> i just want to write
15:11:58	FromGitter	<alehander42> {.dontLeak.}
15:12:05	FromGitter	<alehander42> on the top of my file and be done with it man
15:12:11	disruptek	like what? context managers?
15:12:29	FromGitter	<alehander42> we have proper language destructs tho
15:12:29	Zevv	I want execProcess to just close when its going away. Easy RAII with a friendly syntax
15:12:47	Zevv	finally?
15:12:53	disruptek	yes.
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15:13:12	disruptek	when it works. 😉
15:13:13	FromGitter	<alehander42> actually, isnt exactly that what destructors are supposed to do
15:13:21	Zevv	it is. but GC time is too late
15:13:23	FromGitter	<alehander42> i was making puns
15:13:30	Zevv	I know :)
15:13:31	FromGitter	<alehander42> didnt intend to make a valid argument
15:13:34	FromGitter	<alehander42> sorry
15:14:21	Zevv	Or is it that I just dont know how to do this?
15:14:35	FromGitter	<alehander42> so you want destructors tied to the scope?
15:14:42	Zevv	to lifetime
15:14:52	disruptek	c'mon; you can't use destructors because that isn't the semantic we're after.
15:15:01	Zevv	right
15:15:15	disruptek	finally or defer.
15:15:19	FromGitter	<alehander42> but lifetime is often tied to scope
15:15:29	FromGitter	<alehander42> i think finally and defer are not good
15:15:30	disruptek	i decide what's tied to what; i'm the programmer.
15:15:35	FromGitter	<alehander42> because you have to think of them
15:15:41	disruptek	yes.
15:15:46	disruptek	it's a mad mad mad mad mad world.
15:15:52	FromGitter	<alehander42> thinking man, you dont want to do that
15:15:53	FromGitter	<alehander42> too much
15:15:54	Zevv	yeah but what if the opened thingy goes living somewhere else for some time
15:16:04	disruptek	that's why i need to be in charge.
15:16:18	Zevv	its of course related to all the new stuff, newruntime, destructors, finalizers
15:16:32	FromGitter	<alehander42> well, you cant just move everywhere
15:16:34	disruptek	i really don't think so.
15:16:40	FromGitter	<alehander42> we need stricter emmigration laws
15:16:46	Zevv	but i got this guy at my desk going "weeelll, i have my shared_ptr, what do you have"
15:16:55	Zevv	and I go "uuuhhh"
15:17:20	FromGitter	<alehander42> that's not a bad name for a pointer as well
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15:23:07	FromGitter	<awr1> hello
15:25:33	FromGitter	<awr1> @livcd i don't know of any SIMD approach to MD5 (but i would be hardly surprised if it exists)
15:25:50	FromGitter	<awr1> i do know that newer x86 CPUs has instructions for computing SHA
15:25:53	FromGitter	<awr1> SHA-1
15:26:00	FromGitter	<awr1> 1) SHA-256
15:26:06	FromGitter	<awr1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_SHA_extensions
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15:45:50	FromDiscord	<mratsim> It's not newer CPU, it's Atom Goldmont and future Cannon-lake only
15:46:03	FromDiscord	<mratsim> I have the latest intel CPU and no SHA :/
15:46:56	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> isn't Atom discontinued because ARM cpus wreck it because of power usage ?
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15:54:00	Araq	Zevv: we got destructors and moves, just like C++ does, a shared_ptr is about 50 lines of code
15:54:12	Araq	except that the stdlib doesn't offer it yet
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15:56:22	FromDiscord	<has1> hi, how do I do this with nim?
15:56:23	FromDiscord	<has1> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1R4x
15:57:22	FromDiscord	<has1> i want the method "add" to only allow a key of type K and a value of type V which were previously used in the table declaration
16:03:44	FromDiscord	<Rika> how do i make an "only keyword argument" proc (like python's (arg, *, keyword_only)
16:06:47	lqdev[m]	@has1 your proc is missing the [K, V] generic parameters
16:08:04	lqdev[m]	https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1R63
16:08:11	lqdev[m]	though, I'm not sure why this errors
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16:15:09	FromDiscord	<Rika> @has1 https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1R9F
16:16:00	FromDiscord	<Rika> had to kinda simplify it (removed speak because me dumb, it being there hurt my brain juice)
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16:24:15	sealmove	Hey guys, in streams module there is FileStream and StringStream. If I need to make a stream out of a seq (which is saved in a variable), I have to implement it? Or is there a common way to do this?
16:24:58	disruptek	what's in the seq?
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16:25:23	sealmove	just data
16:25:33	sealmove	ah I mean, it's a seq[byte], sorry
16:26:01	disruptek	join it into a string. i thought you had something arbitrary, in which case you want, like, channels or something.
16:27:31	sealmove	so seq[byte] -> string -> StringStream?
16:27:39	disruptek	sure.
16:27:45	sealmove	great, thzx
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16:38:07	FromDiscord	<has1> @Rika so i need this init function there?
16:38:52	FromDiscord	<mratsim> @sealmove there is a ByteStream normally
16:39:04	sealmove	where?
16:39:12	FromDiscord	<Rika> no afaik, you can just copy paste the thing there (that would mean writing `Person[string, string](data: newTable[string, string]())` though which is looooooong af)
16:40:31	FromDiscord	<Rika> hey, im prolly just as noob as you, but i think that's right. maybe verify with someone else if you dont trust me xd
16:40:41	FromDiscord	<mratsim> oh, seems like it wasn't merged: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/7481
16:41:27	FromDiscord	<has1> @Rika so i can access the data variable inside the object and use its api correctly
16:41:32	FromDiscord	<mratsim> you can use cast[string](yourSeqByte) or use faststreams: https://github.com/status-im/nim-faststreams
16:41:36	FromDiscord	<has1> but i cant wrap it in a method??
16:41:45	FromDiscord	<Rika> what?
16:42:11	FromDiscord	<Rika> sorry, i dont understand what you mean
16:42:23	FromDiscord	<Rika> the add method works if you look again
16:43:39	sealmove	mratsim: is cast[string](yourSeqByte) better than join(yourSeqByte)?
16:44:08	Zevv	Is it possible for a string to still be nillable? I have a callback function that I'd like to return a string, but I need to see the difference between no result/return or en empty result/return
16:44:24	FromDiscord	<Rika> is there a library for vector math in nim?
16:44:40	FromDiscord	<Rika> roughly analogous to python's numpy?
16:45:19	Zevv	yes there is indeed
16:45:47	Zevv	Arraymancer: https://github.com/mratsim/Arraymancer
16:45:54	FromDiscord	<has1> @Rika no it doesnt work
16:45:55	FromDiscord	<has1> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1Rlo
16:46:06	FromDiscord	<has1> you are using a TableRef instead of a Table too
16:46:16	FromDiscord	<Rika> must it use a Table?
16:46:24	FromDiscord	<Rika> you're not echoing the data again after the add
16:46:37	sealmove	Zevv: Option[string]?
16:47:04	Zevv	hm but then the callback needs to return some(""), right?
16:47:08	FromDiscord	<has1> @Rika i am echoing the object
16:47:16	FromDiscord	<has1> and tableref seems to be a bad idea
16:47:18	FromDiscord	<Rika> before the add function
16:47:18	FromDiscord	<has1> "SIGSEGV: Illegal storage access. (Attempt to read from nil?)"
16:47:25	FromDiscord	<Rika> what did you do?
16:47:26	sealmove	Zevv: yes
16:47:32	Zevv	bah :(
16:47:43	FromDiscord	<has1> The code is above
16:47:47	FromDiscord	<Rika> you didnt "initialize" the table
16:47:57	Zevv	I'll provide a closure proc instead that the callback can call...
16:48:05	FromDiscord	<has1> @Rika Yes, that is the point
16:48:32	FromDiscord	<has1> is there no way to make the add method work?
16:48:36	FromDiscord	<Rika> let me see if i can use table
16:48:43	FromDiscord	<Rika> using table, set has to be variable
16:49:55	FromDiscord	<has1> i mean look at this
16:49:56	FromDiscord	<has1> t.data["test"] = "new"
16:50:09	FromDiscord	<has1> i can directly access the data (which is a table)
16:50:18	FromDiscord	<has1> all i want to do now is wrap this in a method
16:51:42	FromDiscord	<Rika> dumbass i am
16:51:45	FromDiscord	<Rika> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1Rm6
16:51:48	FromDiscord	<has1> This is more of a generics question in general for me, not a table question
16:51:56	FromDiscord	<Rika> oops
16:51:59	FromDiscord	<Rika> wrong link
16:52:00	FromDiscord	<Rika> lmao
16:52:23	FromDiscord	<Rika> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1Rm9 @has1 this seems to work
16:53:30	FromDiscord	<has1> yes i just tried that after seeing the var thing, this is exactly what i was looking for it seems, thanks!
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16:54:45	Zevv	so to make sure: there is no way to make a string still nillable?
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16:55:07	Zevv	with some pragma magic or whatever
16:56:19	disruptek	i would love it if the PRs to the nimble package repo included the description and tags in the generated comments so we can keep track of new software in email or github notifications.
16:56:41	disruptek	Zevv: use a `ref string`.
16:56:50	disruptek	or a cstring.
16:57:44	disruptek	having the url to the package homepage would be pretty handy, too.
16:57:53	Zevv	ah cstring, good trick, thanks!
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17:10:16	disruptek	alehander42 are you still the resident expert on osproc?
17:11:22	sealmove	though you should probably try to work with Nim strings. there is a reason they can't be nillable
17:11:40	Cadey	sealmove: do a ref string
17:11:53	Cadey	or Option[string]
17:12:01	Cadey	Option[string] is probably better
17:14:05	FromGitter	<kdheepak> Hi all, if I have a `let value = "1 2 3 4 5 6`, and want to return `@[1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]`, what would be the nim idiomatic way to do this? `value.split()` returns `""` elements in the sequence.
17:15:41	FromGitter	<kdheepak> In Python the split does what I expect. ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5d94db3deb1eff63d664c1f0]
17:16:17	FromDiscord	<Generic> the thing is that Nim is statically typed
17:16:42	FromDiscord	<Generic> in python there's not really a difference (I don't know it that well) between a text string
17:16:46	FromDiscord	<Generic> containing a number
17:16:50	FromDiscord	<Generic> and number itself
17:17:17	FromDiscord	<Generic> or atleast the conversion is often done implicitly
17:17:20	FromGitter	<kdheepak> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5d94dba0086a72719ea1d4e6]
17:19:56	shashlick	@Zevv thanks for that PR!
17:20:11	shashlick	Now to figure out how to support all the older releases of Nim
17:20:12	FromDiscord	<Generic> https://gist.github.com/RSDuck/f2d4d6c0fee371314cbd3de2e957e77c
17:20:23	FromDiscord	<Generic> @kdheepak
17:20:43	FromDiscord	<Generic> that's how it's done in Nim, though of course it depends on what you're trying to archive
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17:21:11	FromDiscord	<Generic> in this example we're parsing ints, but we would have to use parseFloat for floats
17:21:25	FromGitter	<kdheepak> Ah
17:21:39	FromDiscord	<Generic> it also fails if one of the objects is not something parseInt can parse
17:21:46	FromGitter	<kdheepak> What is value contains abitrary strings
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17:22:04	FromDiscord	<Generic> parseInt throws a ValueError
17:22:14	FromGitter	<kdheepak> ```value = " as=sfa ssee ess 1 2.0-1 s"```
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17:22:51	FromGitter	<kdheepak> Also, what is `it` in your gist.
17:22:56	FromDiscord	<Generic> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1RGp
17:23:43	FromDiscord	<Generic> mapIt is a template, defined in sequtils
17:24:18	FromDiscord	<Generic> it basically generates this code
17:24:36	FromDiscord	<Generic> for it in mitems(yourseq):
17:24:54	FromDiscord	<Generic> then it inserts the code passed to mapIt
17:25:18	FromDiscord	<Generic> and makes sure that it from the for loop is accesible for the inserted code
17:27:13	FromDiscord	<Generic> https://nim-lang.org/docs/sequtils.html#mapIt.t%2Ctyped%2Cuntyped
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17:30:05	FromDiscord	<Generic> this is for example how you can only take those items which are parseable numbers https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1RGC
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17:36:08	yumaikas	Is there a reason I shouldn't use the standard library tables? Or just API concerns?
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17:45:17	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> raindrops finished, factorials are easy if you know what they are, anyway i switched to practice mode cuz mentors lazy so now i lost track what should i do next, and for some retarded reason cant switch back, anyone have screenshot of exercism track
17:45:22	FromGitter	<xmonader> is there a reliable connection pool library?
17:45:51	shashlick	@dom96 - PRs when you get a chance?
17:46:08	FromGitter	<xmonader> I'd like to extend some libraries with a connection pool and it's not really the easiest thing to get `correctly`
17:51:19	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> main exercises on exercism are not maintained anymore, even after a week my program wasn't checked. Do the side ones and check them again the unitest file provided.
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17:56:56	shashlick	does `ulimit -n 1024` work on osx?
17:57:12	Cadey	let's find out
17:57:25	Cadey	yes
17:57:31	Cadey	default is 4864
17:57:41	shashlick	really?
17:57:44	shashlick	newer osx?
17:57:49	Cadey	10.14
17:58:15	shashlick	wonder what it is on travis
17:58:34	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> i just wanted to fallow diagram, i switched to practice mode so all unclocked, how to cast int to string i tryed $ didnet work or i retarded
17:58:35	shashlick	travis is 10.13
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18:00:02	lqdev[m]	@kodkuce what error?
18:02:34	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> for n in 0..$input.len(): << meybe cuz am trying to do it like this
18:03:38	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> am tyring to do for each char in number
18:03:56	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> 256 - for 2, for 5, for 6
18:04:40	lqdev[m]	`for c in $input`
18:04:47	lqdev[m]	it's that simple
18:05:27	lqdev[m]	also, operators other than `@` apply to the whole expression, so `$input.len` is `$(input.len)` not `($input).len`
18:05:28	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> for n in 0..input.intToStr.len(): << hmm i solve it like this
18:05:53	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> for c in $input should give me chars and i wnat ints
18:06:05	lqdev[m]	aah, I get what you mean
18:06:34	lqdev[m]	you can create a variable `digit` inside the loop's body with the value `parseInt(c)`
18:07:09	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> that can work too but this way i have no parses
18:07:22	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> multiple times at least 🙂
18:10:18	lqdev[m]	I don't think what you're trying to achieve is possible, but I remember there was a simple formula for extracting a digit from a number
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18:10:24	lqdev[m]	give me a sec
18:13:03	daddoo	if you know it's a digit, subtract 48 from the character's ASCII value if you're working in ASCII
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18:13:20	lqdev[m]	try this: `trunc(x mod 10 ^ n / 10 ^ (n - 1))` where `x` is your input number, where `n` is the decimal place. 1 is ones, 2 is tens, 3 is hundreds, etc.
18:13:55	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> lol worst thing is i just figure out i dont need this, i was solwing quest wrong
18:14:45	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> or not hmm need to think, birds have small brains i guess xD
18:17:32	FromDiscord	<Lunar> I just dual booted Linux Mint onto my Windows laptop. I got impatient for it to restart (everything was done), and unplugged the USB. In 20 minutes, the BIOS completely drained my 80% battery trying to recover the lost stuff
18:17:45	FromDiscord	<Lunar> Note to self, have patience
18:17:46	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> wtf
18:17:55	FromDiscord	<Lunar> Yea
18:18:16	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> solution = delete Windows it sux
18:18:18	FromDiscord	<Lunar> It was spewing stuff into console, 10 messages a second
18:18:29	FromDiscord	<Lunar> Lmao why do you think I dual booted Linux
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18:18:48	FromDiscord	<Lunar> In reality, I'd like to have all three OS's on my laptop
18:18:56	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> why?
18:18:56	FromDiscord	<Lunar> So I can run whatever I need
18:19:32	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> hmm, only thing i miss on linux is legit Solidworks, there is 1 online Onshape or that SimensNX(expensive as f)
18:20:00	FromDiscord	<Lunar> I have no clue what any of that is. I program, not usually deal with hardware 😂
18:20:27	FromDiscord	<Lunar> I have no clue what any of that is. I program, not usually deal with BIOS 😂
18:21:58	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> Solidworks= Parametrict modeling, like for creating a tehnical 3d model
18:22:20	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> you program in c# thats why need Windows or what?
18:23:46	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> What is the main difference between iteration of a containter/iterable withing a for loop, between iteration of every element by specifiy the container and using container.low .. container.high ?
18:23:46	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> I know there are difference, and i have seem them, but i honestly forgot...
18:23:47	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> i spined a w10 in virtualbox for a job some stupit SQL app for windows , but i resigned after 2 days was uber boring work
18:25:38	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> hmm , i think for element in someseq it behaves like foreach in c# or some other lang, if you do for i in 0..seq.len() then you get index number too if you need it
18:26:05	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> oh yeah, index is unavailable in the first one
18:27:48	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> whats operator for sqare num , example i want 3 on 3 = 3x3x3 = 27
18:28:18	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> maybe ^
18:28:24	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> or power idk
18:28:54	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> that is usually how it's done in other languages, haven't done it in Nim yet.
18:29:57	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#lexical-analysis-operators , here they listed but i duno to read between the lines 🙂
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18:31:39	FromGitter	<alehander42> disruptek
18:31:42	FromGitter	<alehander42> am i an expert
18:31:47	FromGitter	<alehander42> i just ctrl+p osproc.nim
18:31:49	FromGitter	<alehander42> all the time
18:31:51	FromGitter	<alehander42> in my editor
18:31:52	FromGitter	<alehander42> :P
18:32:51	disruptek	what's ctrl+p?
18:33:00	FromGitter	<alehander42> jump to file
18:33:03	FromGitter	<alehander42> with fuzzy search
18:33:20	disruptek	well, i know you were trying to capture stdout and stderr, iirc.
18:33:27	FromGitter	<alehander42> oh yeah
18:33:29	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> try math module
18:33:31	FromGitter	<zetashift> @Kiloneie try https://nim-lang.org/docs/math.html#pow%2Cfloat32%2Cfloat32
18:33:37	FromGitter	<alehander42> iirc it needed a PR to add a difference
18:33:43	FromGitter	<alehander42> but i think @timotheecour
18:33:47	FromGitter	<alehander42> had a similar plan?
18:33:49	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> lol i beat you to it
18:33:58	FromGitter	<zetashift> rip
18:34:20	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> don't have time right now, was too lazy today, terrible weather and all. Ahh still haven't started recording, this video is gonna be long as fuck D:
18:34:22	disruptek	i dunno. i think i have to just use selectors on the handles so i don't block.
18:34:38	disruptek	don't wanna wait around for a fix or have to contest it in a pr.
18:34:48	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> in math there is sqrt but no square or square on
18:35:54	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> pow()
18:36:51	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> ty
18:39:17	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> hmm do i really have to convert ints to floats to use pow, shoudent pow eat ints too?
18:40:00	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> it should...
18:40:02	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> idk
18:41:09	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> am just complaining to masters or whoewer wrote math 🙂
18:41:51	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> lol i am blind it even says to compute betwin integers use ^proc
18:43:14	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> hmm
18:45:08	rayman22201	ping @timotheecour. My friend, can you address some of my questions on github when you get the chance? thank you :-) https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/12330
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19:03:39	kevinsjoberg	I just bought Nim in Action since I want to explore the language a bit. Any recommended editor? I'm open for anything.
19:04:08	Araq	vscode
19:06:04	kevinsjoberg	Araq: Thanks, I'll try that out.
19:16:35	narimiran	kevinsjoberg: neovim + nim.nvim plugin
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19:31:42	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Visual Studio Code
19:31:48	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> + nim extension
19:32:08	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> you can watch my #1 intro video for how to set it all up if you need help
19:32:30	rayman22201	@lqdev[m] I can't seem to get your game to run :-(
19:32:53	lqdev[m]	rayman22201: what's your issue?
19:33:01	rayman22201	https://github.com/liquid600pgm/memrecall/issues/5
19:33:20	lqdev[m]	oh, this.
19:33:21	rayman22201	also: https://github.com/liquid600pgm/memrecall/issues/4
19:33:34	lqdev[m]	what graphics drivers are you on?
19:34:00	shashlick	anyone done a nim project using wxwidgets
19:34:06	shashlick	without using the entire wxnim
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19:35:05	rayman22201	lqdev[m] Quadro Desktop/Quadro Notebook Driver Release 435
19:36:09	lqdev[m]	then this is very weird
19:36:18	lqdev[m]	maybe nvidia is doing their thing again
19:36:40	lqdev[m]	I'll update rapid to not require direct state access
19:37:45	lqdev[m]	rayman22201: I'll let you know when I'm done with that, hopefully it will work!
19:38:22	rayman22201	cool :-)
19:38:38	rayman22201	yay Nvidia close source driver nonsense :-P
19:40:19	lqdev[m]	this didn't happen to me while I was using nvidia drivers, can you tell me which OpenGL version does `glxinfo | grep OpenGL` (or some windows equivalent) report?
19:40:20	disruptek	!eval let 😉 = "wink"; echo 😉
19:40:23	NimBot	wink
19:43:12	rayman22201	lqdev[m] https://gist.github.com/rayman22201/e76535c6c8ca2950aa7aa0c81870f7aa
19:43:42	rayman22201	oh, I just realized it's using the embedded intel drivers
19:43:44	rayman22201	interesting
19:44:45	lqdev[m]	rayman22201: you can change which graphics driver an app uses in windows's settings
19:45:13	rayman22201	yeah, looking to see if I can do that now
19:45:54	lqdev[m]	I'll have to fix it anyways since your graphics cards only support the older EXT variant, I need the ARB one since it has a different API
19:47:33	rayman22201	well this is absurd. My laptop has an external monitor plugged in. Windows is telling me that it's using the Nvidia drivers for the external monitor, but the intel drivers for the attached monitor.
19:48:19	Cadey	when's nimcon?
19:48:38	rayman22201	I suppose you should fix it anyway, because many lower end laptops only have the embedded Intel Graphics card these days.
19:49:51	lqdev[m]	I'm currently in the process of fixing it, give me like, 20 minutes or more
19:50:04	lqdev[m]	I need to port the entire codebase to use my internal GLContext thing
19:50:15	lqdev[m]	tbh there's not that much that used this extension though
19:50:26	lqdev[m]	only RCanvas used it for framebuffers
19:52:54	rayman22201	sorry for my weird graphics configuration :-/
19:57:15	lqdev[m]	it's not your fault
19:57:42	lqdev[m]	the driver developers failed, all we can do is adjust to their mistakes :/
19:58:20	rayman22201	indeed
19:58:48	rayman22201	I'm still confused why Windows is falling back to the intel drivers for one monitor and not the other... but that's an entire other can of worms
19:59:12	disruptek	two different video cards.
20:01:59	FromGitter	<awr1> @rayman22201 some of the AMD laptops have vega solutions
20:02:46	shashlick	oh man finally - https://travis-ci.org/genotrance/nimarchive
20:03:38	rayman22201	well duh, of course there are two video cards. I just don't understand why Windows is not letting the Nvidia card control both monitors. (My guess is something crashed and Windows silently went into a fallback mode.)
20:04:38	rayman22201	I probably need to restart, but I have too many things open that I don't want to close atm :-P
20:05:16	lqdev[m]	rayman22201: try `nimble install rapid` and recompile the game
20:05:20	lqdev[m]	it should work now
20:07:03	rayman22201	@shashlick does that mean we will have tar file support soon? yay :-)
20:07:22	rayman22201	lqdev[m] trying now
20:10:19	shashlick	you already have tar file with untar
20:10:23	shashlick	and gz
20:10:40	shashlick	but now you will have pretty much anything supported by libarchive
20:11:00	shashlick	i might need to add more support but for now there's zlib, bzlib and lzma linked in
20:11:11	rayman22201	yay
20:11:25	rayman22201	lqdev[m] it works now 👍 🎉
20:11:36	rayman22201	and there goes my productivity for the day
20:12:40	shashlick	okay - any more concerns with getHeader as it stands today? else i'll be merging v020 into nimterop master
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20:13:20	lqdev[m]	rayman22201: the game's not that long, even if you collect all the atoms :)
20:13:22	lqdev[m]	anyways, good luck!
20:14:08	rayman22201	lol. I'm really bad at games. Thanks though :-)
20:14:49	shashlick	@lqdev - i added a way to set -d:xyz in code itself - needed it for nimarchive anyway
20:15:02	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Here we go again!
20:15:03	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> LINK: https://youtu.be/YFSuu0degn0
20:15:36	shashlick	@lqdev - https://github.com/genotrance/nimarchive/blob/nimterop/nimarchive/archive.nim#L24
20:16:06	lqdev[m]	oh, this is really nice
20:16:19	lqdev[m]	I'm gonna try getHeader out when I'll be porting rapid to SDL
20:16:56	shashlick	okay looking forward to your feedback
20:17:00	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> I tried your suggestion nmirian, which i think worked for part 1 of the video, but then i fucked up and spent way too much time reading, which resulted in a worse video and more time recording and editing... good suggestion though, not exactly what you had in mind, but it's gonna help me a lot with the next video. I should read as little as possible, only explanations and such that i can't do it freely, i get stuck when reading a LOT, make
20:19:55	shashlick	@PMunch - is there any reason why the wxnim wrapper doesn't support dlls? static link only?
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21:40:54	FromGitter	<zetashift> @lqdev why not just stick with GLFW?
21:41:48	lqdev[m]	@zetashift it's not about the video, it's about the audio
21:41:52	lqdev[m]	apparently I can't use libsoundio
21:42:22	lqdev[m]	so because I'm gonna use sdl_audio I thought why not use sdl_video anyways
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21:50:21	FromGitter	<zetashift> ah
21:54:19	FromGitter	<davidbruce> In sdl2 how do you pass a ptr of a Rect to the copy proc ⏎ https://github.com/nim-lang/sdl2/blob/b5e38a2a2c0a12d63f4d432a8d67d74097580acb/src/sdl2.nim#L1001 ⏎ ⏎ I guess the better question is how do I make a ptr to a tuple? [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5d951c8bfcb47b627f06d6b8]
21:55:11	FromGitter	<zetashift> addr(aRect)?
21:55:15	lqdev[m]	@davidbruce use `addr`
21:55:41	FromGitter	<davidbruce> thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank you
21:55:54	lqdev[m]	or aRect.addr, whichever you prefer
21:56:13	FromGitter	<zetashift> ^ yes!
21:56:25	FromGitter	<davidbruce> Is this covered anywhere in the docs?
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21:57:21	FromGitter	<zetashift> I'm not sure but I had a similiar problem like you following lazyfoo's tutorial and I think I got my answer from: https://github.com/Vladar4/sdl2_nim/tree/master/examples
21:57:35	FromGitter	<zetashift> or do you mean passing pointer arguments to proc's?
21:58:05	FromGitter	<davidbruce> Sorry, passing pointer arguments in procs
21:58:17	FromGitter	<davidbruce> The other link looks really useful too though, thanks!
21:59:34	FromGitter	<zetashift> we have this: https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#addr%2CT
22:00:12	FromGitter	<zetashift> and this: https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#statements-and-expressions-the-addr-operator but in the 2 tutorials it isn't covered IIRC
22:01:31	FromGitter	<davidbruce> Thanks for the links again, you've been a big help!
22:11:58	FromDiscord	<exelotl> is there a way to pass environment variables to staticExec?
22:14:25	FromGitter	<zetashift> shouldn't those automatically be found when it executes the other process?
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22:36:04	FromDiscord	<exelotl> yeah, I wanted to override one at compile time
22:36:55	FromDiscord	<exelotl> (trying to set up a nimterop script that invokes pkg-config, but with the PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable being set to some directory that's local to the project)
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22:43:51	shashlick	Just use getEnv
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22:50:25	shashlick	putEnv rather
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23:12:21	FromDiscord	<exelotl> oh cool static: putEnv does work
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23:15:36	FromDiscord	<juan_carlos> Stuff that works on NimScript usually works static, and is listed on the NimScript docs.
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23:30:06	FromDiscord	<treeform> @Kiloneie good job. It's hard sticking with some thing once it's not a novelty any more.
23:32:48	disruptek	someone confirm this one for me:
23:33:12	disruptek	put -d:danger in your nim.cfg and build something normally. it will report a `Dangerous Release Build`. but, it's actually not one.
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