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03:58:05FromDiscord<Bung> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c3L
03:58:55FromDiscord<Bung> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c3L" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c3N"
04:06:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Unlikely cause `var T` requires being valid
04:06:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Without views it is invalid
04:08:55FromDiscord<Bung> you mean view types ? manual example doesn't contain that
04:09:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes view types
04:09:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `var T` as a view is a view type, and per the spec `var T` should be not nilable
04:10:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It should be definitely assigned as such it requires infinite memory afaik
04:14:59FromDiscord<aph> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c3P
04:17:19FromDiscord<Bung> In reply to @Elegantbeef "`var T` as a": thanks!
04:20:42FromDiscord<Bung> you need check the http response header
04:30:35FromDiscord<aph> In reply to @Bung "you need check the": oh. thanks
05:02:24NimEventerNew thread by emre: Is it possible to specify dylib path through environment variables?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9502
05:06:54FromDiscord<untoreh> does forking an async runtime make selectors clash?
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06:44:49FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c4d
06:45:00FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c4d" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c4e"
06:45:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Exactly
06:46:41FromDiscord<Phil> I just didn't know that the `/` came from std/os, I kept believing that came from nimja/parser
07:08:55FromDiscord<Phil> Is there a simple way to transform a `Regex` object into its simple string representation?↵Like turning the object representing the regex `^lala{0,3}` into that string
07:09:13FromDiscord<Phil> because `$Regex` just spams you with the entire object and its data
07:10:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You want the uncompiled regex string?
07:10:40FromDiscord<Phil> Yeah, for logging purposes
07:11:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There isnt anyway to do that in the stdlib libraries afaik
07:11:31FromDiscord<Phil> Curses
07:14:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c4r
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07:15:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you really dont want more runtime cost you could change that to `MyRegex[str: static string] = distinct Regex`
07:15:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Assuming you use string literals for all your regex needs
07:16:52FromDiscord<Phil> It's a cost the server pays on starting up, which is acceptable
07:16:56FromDiscord<Phil> (webdev)
07:17:35FromDiscord<Phil> But I can't just plonk that into Prologue, that's a more involved matter
07:17:49FromDiscord<Phil> So for now I'll just log in my own application and see if I refactor that out later
07:17:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This kids is why we need generic interfaces! 😛
07:18:01FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "So for now I'll just log in my own application ... and" added "before the transformation into a regular expression"
07:20:56FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c4y
07:21:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nice
07:22:28FromDiscord<Phil> I'll likely refactor that later because the whitespaces are all hard-coded
07:22:39FromDiscord<Phil> But eh, for now get the POC down
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09:08:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c4U
09:09:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Dont think you really need hooks for renames imo
09:10:43FromDiscord<amadan> current thoughts are jsony style, but they are usually just if statements so would be nicer to implement them like that instead
09:11:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea using pragmas is cleaner
09:12:18FromDiscord<amadan> Guess that would just be a matter of at compile time looking up the type def and finding all the pragmas? ↵Probs more difficult then hooks but yeah would be 1000x cleaner so extra difficulty would be worth it
09:13:43FromDiscord<amadan> (edit) "then" => "than"
09:13:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c4W
09:14:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Actually might be `[0]` on the `getCustomPragmaVal`
09:16:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The best part about using the pragma with the `jsonName` is that it's 100% transferable if other serialisers agree on using that information
09:16:25FromDiscord<amadan> oh thats neat↵ok yeah seems better stylewise and codewise
09:16:43FromDiscord<amadan> Is that the pragma that status's serialiser uses?
09:16:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No clue
09:17:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> it's just `template jsonName(s: string) {.pragma.}`
09:18:43FromDiscord<amadan> They seem to use `serializedFieldName` it seems (guessing more verbose name is cause they use it in the other parsers)
09:19:05FromDiscord<amadan> That sentence reads weird lol
09:19:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You could always use the same 😄
09:19:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's a bit wordy though
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09:23:45FromDiscord<enthus1ast> maybe i should export os↵(@Phil)
09:23:54FromDiscord<enthus1ast> to avoid this issue in the future
09:24:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It sounds like a phil issue imo
09:24:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But ymmv
09:26:19FromDiscord<enthus1ast> this indicates that os is not imported↵(@Phil)
09:27:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Does you code require os to be imported to work?
09:27:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> your\
09:27:12FromDiscord<enthus1ast> for the `/`
09:27:13FromDiscord<enthus1ast> when you use getScriptDir() / "foo.nimja"
09:27:13FromDiscord<enthus1ast> yes
09:27:24FromDiscord<Phil> If you scroll down a bit you'll see I posted that it was os 😛
09:27:33FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "If you scroll down a bit you'll see I ... posted" added "also"
09:27:43FromDiscord<enthus1ast> just got my first coffee ...
09:27:56FromDiscord<Phil> Man you sleep long 😄
09:29:03FromDiscord<aruZeta> long time no see enthus1asts
09:29:07FromDiscord<aruZeta> (edit) "enthus1asts" => "enthus1ast"
09:29:37FromDiscord<enthus1ast> yeah some (paid) work stress lately unfortunately
09:30:34FromDiscord<enthus1ast> but i saw you've commited a renderer, nice!
09:30:38FromDiscord<aruZeta> yh
09:30:52FromDiscord<aruZeta> took yours and just made some refactoring here and there
09:31:53FromDiscord<enthus1ast> ill put the qr generator in my little nopaste project
09:32:21FromDiscord<enthus1ast> (i think i'm the only user, but yeah, one user soon already) \:)
09:32:31FromDiscord<aruZeta> haha
10:40:47FromDiscord<qb> How to disable "should be" hints? Tried {.hint[Name]:off.}
10:41:38FromDiscord<qb> Like ` Hint: 'vec3ClosestPy_wrapper' should be: 'vec3ClosestPyWrapper'`
10:44:08FromDiscord<qb> Well it worked in the `cfg` file
10:53:19FromDiscord<Bung> turn specific hint X on|off. hint:X means hint:X:on, as with similar flags. all is the set of all hints (only all:off is supported).
10:53:23FromDiscord<Bung> https://nim-lang.org/docs/nimc.html
11:19:23FromDiscord<auxym> crystal made the SO survey but not nim? https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-language-want
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11:57:31NimEventerNew thread by Cnerd: Nimbus-eth2 beacon node setup, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9503
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12:54:41FromDiscord<Raynei486> how can you check if a whole string is alphabetical↵I feel like I'm missing something here
13:00:34FromDiscord<enthus1ast> that it is sorted?
13:07:25FromDiscord<dlesnoff> proc isAlphabetical(s: string): bool =↵ for c in s:↵ if not c.isAlphaAscii():
13:08:14FromDiscord<dlesnoff> (edit) "proc isAlphabetical(s: string): bool =↵ for c in s:↵ if not c.isAlphaAscii():" => "sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c5E"
13:12:16FromDiscord<Raynei486> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c5G
13:12:32FromDiscord<Raynei486> was thinking maybe there was a language feature + stdlib proc that would make it possible
13:16:39FromDiscord<dlesnoff> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c5J
13:17:27FromDiscord<dlesnoff> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c5J" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c5K"
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13:20:25FromDiscord<auxym> In reply to @Raynei486 "was thinking maybe there": you can do it in a single line with `allIt` from sequtils: `s.allIt(it.isAlphaAscii)`
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13:23:25FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c5L
13:27:55FromDiscord<dlesnoff> Using Whitespace const is better indeed
13:31:21FromDiscord<Esther> I really like nim’s sets
13:31:42FromDiscord<dlesnoff> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c5O
13:56:28FromDiscord<auxym> yeah, or as @enthus1ast suggested,↵`a.allIt(it in Whitespace + Letters)`
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14:00:23FromDiscord<enthus1ast> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c5W
14:00:26FromDiscord<enthus1ast> have benched them
14:07:10FromDiscord<Phil> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4c60
14:07:22FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "http://ix.io/4c60" => "http://ix.io/4c61"
14:08:10FromDiscord<Phil> The main reason I actually care about the naming for these 2 so much is because they are what enable the extension to deal with user-defined datatypes
14:08:31FromDiscord<Phil> So ideally I'd want something the user can immediately associate with the concepts I named
14:13:20FromDiscord<Bung> you can check django
14:19:36FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Using Python after using Nim for a while feels odd lmao
14:19:45FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> I feel lost using Python because of how nice Nim is
14:20:45FromDiscord<Phil> The speed with which I make type-errors in python because I have no compiler sanity checking me is insane
14:29:37FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> It just feels really odd to be using Python now with how dynamic it is
14:29:42FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Also because I'm used to not having classes
14:30:08FromDiscord<Phil> Well that's just procedural vs oop then XP
14:32:32FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Yeah lmao
15:10:19FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @Event Horizon "I feel lost using": reading python code is horrible
15:10:55FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> It feels horrible writing it now lmao
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16:14:03FromDiscord<auxym> it's much better (to read) with type hints
16:14:57FromDiscord<auxym> also in the case of small scripts, I much rather write (and read) python than bash, (or worse windows cmd. though powershell is good)
16:16:22FromDiscord<auxym> but yeah: trying to wrap your head around some huge code base (or even just LOCs in the 5 digits), without any type hints, is quite "fun".
16:33:10FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c6K
16:33:23FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c6K" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c6L"
16:36:42FromDiscord<Phil> I also don't see any iterators that seem appropriate. I think what I'm looking for is an iterator that "unrolls" the loop, correct?↵All iterators I can find only iterate over fields of types/objects etc., not over static seqs
16:37:24FromDiscord<flywind> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c6M
16:38:43FromDiscord<flywind> In reply to @Isofruit "I have a compile-time": As the error message said, you need to indent between static and for keywords
16:38:52FromDiscord<flywind> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c6N
16:38:52FromDiscord<flywind> It works
16:39:02FromDiscord<flywind> (edit) "works" => "compiles"
16:39:41FromDiscord<flywind> (edit) "to indent" => "indentation"
16:40:15FromDiscord<Phil> It compiles but returns false, aka loops over at runtime, hmmm
16:40:25FromDiscord<Phil> I'll look at your first suggestion and try to wrap my head around that one
16:42:42FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c6P
16:44:16FromDiscord<Phil> I'm asking as that's not quite what I want.↵I just want that, when iterating over a const, that the value I get out is still the static string, I need it as I also have macros to generate `model.fieldName` out of it
16:47:45FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c6R
16:48:11FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c6R" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c6T"
16:48:43FromDiscord<flywind> Yeah, you probably need static unroll
16:48:49FromDiscord<Phil> But how do I do that?
16:49:32FromDiscord<flywind> timotheecour had a rejected PR for that irrc.
16:49:43FromDiscord<flywind> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/18038
16:50:25FromDiscord<flywind> copy them and call it a day 😜
16:51:11FromDiscord<Phil> Dang, I need this to be able to generate the code that fetches all foreign-key-options at compiletime and executing the code at runtime v.v... let's see if I can wrap my head around that
16:53:16FromDiscord<Phil> Ugh, there's 1 package to do this and its archivede
16:53:18FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "archivede" => "archived"
16:56:26FromDiscord<flywind> It seems flawed, but at least works for this case
16:56:49FromDiscord<flywind> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c6V
16:57:35FromDiscord<Phil> If this works, do you mind if I throw it on SO?
16:57:59FromDiscord<Phil> Hot damn it does
16:59:29FromDiscord<Phil> Oh wait... shit, it only works if you directly throw it in
16:59:43FromDiscord<flywind> In reply to @Isofruit "If this works, do": I don't mind. But it doesn't work for seqs or variables, probably needs some modifications.
16:59:51FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c6X
16:59:56FromDiscord<Phil> Yeh just noticed
17:06:10FromDiscord<flywind> The problem seems to be that ForLoopStmt is not semchecked.
17:06:18FromDiscord<flywind> (edit) removed "to be"
17:07:28FromDiscord<Phil> In that macro, what is x?
17:08:17FromDiscord<flywind> x is `ForLoopStmt`
17:08:21FromDiscord<flywind> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#macros-for-loop-macro
17:09:38FromDiscord<Phil> And a forloopstmt is an array since it can be inversely indexed? (because x[^1] etc.)
17:11:02FromDiscord<flywind> It is a NimNode. You can use `treeRepr` to check what's it.
17:11:25FromDiscord<flywind> `echo x.treeRepr` in that macro
17:11:28FromDiscord<Phil> The elements it extracts are nonsense
17:11:52FromDiscord<Phil> ` let elems = x[^2]` will return you the symbol that you put in
17:11:59FromDiscord<Phil> Is that what you mean by semchecked?
17:12:11FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "in" => "in, instead of the symbol's contents"
17:12:34FromDiscord<Phil> (Just not familiar with the lingo so I can only guess what semchecked precisely means)
17:12:41FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "(Just" => "(Sorry, just"
17:13:06FromDiscord<flywind> If it is semantic checked, nkIdent should have been transformed into nkSym
17:13:37FromDiscord<Phil> Can I force a transformation of `a` (that's nkIdent right?) into its contents (that is nkSym, correct?)
17:13:40FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "Can I force a transformation of `a` (that's nkIdent right?) into its contents (that is nkSym, correct?) ... " added "?"
17:13:48FromDiscord<flywind> You cannot get the implementation of an ident using `getImpl`.
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17:13:55FromDiscord<flywind> In reply to @Isofruit "Can I force a": I don't think so.
17:14:37FromDiscord<flywind> For a macro, `macro foo(x: typed)` will enforce semcheck.
17:14:55FromDiscord<flywind> So I think ForStmt is not going to work.
17:15:51FromDiscord<flywind> In reply to @flywind "For a macro, `macro": Like https://github.com/schneiderfelipe/unrolled/blob/b4297abbbbcc842d28664719cbf544fd85376409/src/unrolled.nim#L117
17:15:56FromDiscord<flywind> It probbaly works
17:16:01FromDiscord<flywind> (edit) "probbaly" => "probably"
17:16:47FromDiscord<Phil> It sadly doesn't, already checked
17:18:49FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c73
17:21:12FromDiscord<Phil> Hmmm what I want is copy paste a code-block n times, I wonder if I could do that with a template
17:23:04FromDiscord<flywind> You can post it on the Nim forum where some macros experts hang out, macros are usually too obscure to understand.
17:33:54FromDiscord<Phil> I'll post the question, though for now I found a workaround
17:34:17FromDiscord<Phil> to solve my specific problem, not for unrolling in general
17:54:38FromDiscord<Phil> Man if only I could store typedesc's in variables
17:54:44FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "Man if only I could store typedesc's in variables ... " added "or at least constants"
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18:46:54FromDiscord<dlesnoff> You want to use a macro to unroll a for loop ?↵I haven't checked the macro yet, but yes it is not a priori possible to split an untyped argument and get the body of a for loop. What you want to do instead is pass two untyped arguments, the sequence or slice on which you iterate and the body of the for loop. This would make easier the unrolling I guess.↵But I'll see in detail with your forum post
18:48:51FromDiscord<dlesnoff> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c7r
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19:26:20FromDiscord<Phil> Nevermind, I lied, that approach couldn't possibly work, still stuck with the need to have an unrolling forloop over compile-time seqs, god damnit
19:26:52NimEventerNew thread by Isofruit: How to unroll a loop over a compile-time seq?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9504
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19:47:48FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Progress update: I can now set variables in the JVM, i cannot access them yet lmao
19:48:23FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Event Horizon "Progress update: I can": One thing after another
19:48:37FromDiscord<Phil> Do you interact directly with the JVM btw?
19:48:41FromDiscord<Phil> Or do you compile to Java?
19:49:53FromDiscord<Phil> Like is it nim --> Byte-code for the JVM↵Or nim --> Java --> Byte code for the JVM?
19:50:08FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> I'm doing Nim --> Jasmin --> Bytecode
19:50:49FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Jasmin is an (old) bytecode assembler, i'm using this to help me work out major flaws before i go with Nim --> Bytecode directly
19:51:38FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Also i'll have to do uint math on my own because of how the JVM works
19:51:43FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Which isn't very fun lmao
19:53:35FromDiscord<Phil> My condolences, I shall suffer with you, though on my own code problems ^^'
19:53:51FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Hope you'll figure your issues out haha
19:54:23FromDiscord<Phil> Push comes to shove I can at least still have a crippled version of an admin area
19:54:47FromDiscord<Phil> Sadly no select field for fk fields like django does, but at least you'd be able to enter the fk field by hand
19:55:26FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Fair
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23:25:45FromDiscord<Takemichi Hanagaki> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4c8t
23:26:04FromDiscord<Takemichi Hanagaki> (edit) "http://ix.io/4c8t" => "http://ix.io/4c8u"
23:26:23FromDiscord<Takemichi Hanagaki> I'm not asking to explain me hoe it works, but when I shoud use and why it was choosen.
23:26:31FromDiscord<Takemichi Hanagaki> (edit) "hoe" => "how"
23:26:38FromDiscord<huantian> generally it's to help with the distinction that lowercase first character is a variable or proc, while uppercase first character is for types
23:27:09FromDiscord<huantian> and since it's common to have a variable with the same name as a type, they need to be distinct
23:27:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You should use it when the libraries you rely on dont use the same conventions as you
23:28:15FromDiscord<Takemichi Hanagaki> In reply to @huantian "generally it's to help": Thank you! 😄 ↵So, I'll use Upper with types!
23:28:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This includes machine translated library bindings or people that just prefer different conventions
23:28:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I swear people that write `SCREAMINGCASE` constants dont get enough affection
23:28:57FromDiscord<Takemichi Hanagaki> In reply to @Elegantbeef "This includes machine translated": Yes, this explanation was covered in documentation. 😄
23:29:36FromDiscord<Takemichi Hanagaki> In reply to @Elegantbeef "This includes machine translated": This is true. SCREAMINGCASE, Loooool!
23:30:03FromDiscord<Takemichi Hanagaki> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I swear people that": This is true. SCREAMINGCASE, Loooool!
23:30:13FromDiscord<Takemichi Hanagaki> Thanks, Beef! 😉
23:30:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim originally was fully insensitive like pascal, but that created the tedious `TMyType` which pascal does
23:32:42FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4c8x
23:34:36FromDiscord<auxym> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I swear people that": so, all C programmers? 🤡
23:34:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Indeed
23:36:00FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> from now on, all my vars will be in SCREAMING_CASD
23:36:04FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> (edit) "SCREAMING_CASD" => "SCREAMING_CASe"
23:36:09FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> (edit) "SCREAMING_CASe" => "SCREAMING_CASE"
23:36:17FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> i love phone keyboards
23:36:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well we have style insensitivity so as long as i dont have to contribute to your shit pile i'm fine
23:36:28FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> lol
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