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| 00:19:56 | ftsf | dom96, ahh =( dang, sorry. |
| 00:20:04 | ftsf | yeah really need to make a bunch of docs and more examples |
| 00:20:14 | ftsf | curious to know what stuff is confusing |
| 00:20:16 | dom96 | aww, don't be sorry :) |
| 00:21:12 | dom96 | It's really just a lot of discovery, the tilemaps, how they work, how they relate to the spritesheet |
| 00:21:19 | ftsf | aha |
| 00:21:25 | ftsf | yeah, tilemaps are pretty confusing |
| 00:21:46 | dom96 | what confused me was that my spritesheet had colours that were not part of the pallette, so the map I was trying to draw simply didn't get drawn |
| 00:22:06 | ftsf | ahh, yeah, i need to fix that, discovered that bug myself yesterday |
| 00:22:27 | ftsf | was very confused why my sprites were missing bits |
| 00:23:31 | dom96 | But yeah, I think that's sorta a limitation of the pico-8 :) |
| 00:23:53 | dom96 | limits are good to keep designs from going crazy, but when you're not familiar with them they feel frustrating |
| 00:23:59 | ftsf | indeed |
| 00:24:30 | ftsf | i kept the 16 colour restriction, but i need to load the spritesheets as indexed mode, or map them to the nearest color |
| 00:24:38 | FromGitter | <ephja> I like trains |
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| 03:03:17 | skrylar | i might use nico again if i could get symbol files working |
| 03:03:25 | skrylar | symbol files keep doing weird things |
| 03:03:42 | skrylar | also i got cobweb working by cheating and replacing the toposort with backlinks. it doesn't have the safety check, but it works fine |
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| 04:17:09 | skrylar | well the downside is that jsonnode can't hold regular objects (or so it seems?) so while this does work, some tinkering will have to be done to hold variable types |
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| 05:48:38 | skrylar | so what's everyone's favorite variant type |
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| 05:48:50 | skrylar | jsonnode doesn't store random objects so using that is ... inconvenient |
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| 06:08:17 | skrylar | i'll interpret the silence as "make your own" |
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| 08:08:42 | ftsf | skrylar, symbol files? |
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| 08:35:40 | ftsf | hmm \n not allowed in character literal... |
| 08:37:04 | ftsf | ahh i see why |
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| 08:49:32 | FromGitter | <Varriount> skrylar: What do you mean, caboose variant type? |
| 08:49:38 | FromGitter | <Varriount> *favorite |
| 08:53:20 | FromGitter | <ephja> skrylar: can't it serialize objects as long as all fields are accessible? |
| 08:53:41 | FromGitter | <ephja> https://github.com/andreaferretti/patty |
| 08:55:54 | skrylar | varriount: the dynamic version of cobweb is built at runtime so i have to know the types going in |
| 08:56:26 | skrylar | so it can do things like track "this value depends on egg and bread price, runs this closure to update" and then other things can say "I use the bread-egg adjusted variable" |
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| 08:59:31 | skrylar | it works fine for some things but you can't ex. pass a document in there and rely on dataflow to keep menus enabled/disabled |
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| 10:12:30 | FromGitter | <Varriount> You can't use the typeinfo module? |
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| 13:46:32 | PMunch | When doing a for in loop is there a way to skip the next sample? |
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| 13:50:03 | couven92 | PMunch, continue? |
| 13:50:23 | PMunch | Well continue is for the current iteration, I want to skip the next |
| 13:51:17 | couven92 | declare a skipNext variable |
| 13:52:06 | FromGitter | <alehander42> use a while |
| 13:52:08 | PMunch | Yeah, I was just wondering if there was a built in way to do it |
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| 14:27:25 | FromGitter | <bluenote10> good afternoon everyone! @Araq @dom96 sorry for the delay with my pull requests. I'm just switching jobs / preparing to move, i.e., my slow responses don't mean I lost interest ;) |
| 14:27:48 | FromGitter | <bluenote10> I have a question though regarding the collection-to-string PR: |
| 14:28:19 | Araq | same here, the lack of commits only means something big is coming |
| 14:29:09 | FromGitter | <bluenote10> I'm trying to add a helper function for the string escaping, but I noticed that I can't even do something like `proc addEscaped(s: var string): string = s.add("blabla")` in system.nim. This results in: Error: system module needs 'appendString' |
| 14:29:31 | FromGitter | <bluenote10> @Araq That's good to hear :) |
| 14:30:11 | FromGitter | <bluenote10> Is there a work-around to making such a helper function work in system.nim? Making it artificially generic works, but is obviously too much of a hack |
| 14:30:24 | Araq | move it aroudn |
| 14:30:49 | Araq | obviously the compiler needs to know how to translate string.add before it can compile your addEscaped |
| 14:30:53 | FromGitter | <bluenote10> hm, it is below the definition of `add` already, so it should be in the correct place. |
| 14:31:18 | Araq | it needs to be after the include sysstr which contains appendString |
| 14:31:38 | FromGitter | <bluenote10> I though the issue might be that `proc add*(x: var string, y: string)` is defined as a magic |
| 14:32:14 | FromGitter | <bluenote10> ah, I see, will try that |
| 14:35:06 | Araq | well the 'magic' tells the compiler's codegen it needs to be mapped to the 'compilerProc' appendString |
| 14:35:42 | Araq | a 'compilerProc' is a proc the codegen depends on. |
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| 14:36:53 | Araq | it can often be tricky to determine an order that works but there is little I can do about that, esp. since few people should touch system.nim |
| 14:38:44 | fvs | Howdy! Trying to import ncurses but getting the following error> /usr/lib/libncursesw.so: file too short / could not load: libncursesw.so < any suggestions? |
| 14:39:12 | Araq | get an .so that is not corrupted? |
| 14:43:53 | FromGitter | <bluenote10> yep, doing after the include works, and shouldn't be a big order issue. The `addQuoted` stuff is high level, so it's okay to go last. I'll only have to figure out how much of the escaping stuff in strutils I should to pull into system.nim or if we violate DRY in this case |
| 14:45:33 | fvs | thanks!, head /usr/lib/libncursesw.so gives: INPUT(libncursesw.so.6 -ltinfo) |
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| 14:51:33 | Araq | bluenote10: I think there isn't much DRY here, the demands of strutils and system coincidence but could diverge |
| 14:51:49 | Araq | some code duplication seems ok. |
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| 15:59:07 | subsetpark | What libs have people used to do graph programming? |
| 16:03:27 | Araq | intsets |
| 16:05:32 | subsetpark | interesting |
| 16:05:41 | Araq | map nodes to IDs and insert xId*yId into the set when x has an edge to y |
| 16:07:08 | subsetpark | makes sense. |
| 16:07:57 | subsetpark | IDs would all be primes wouldn't they? |
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| 16:56:11 | subsetpark | How am I supposed to interpret 'Invalid type... in this context...' messages? |
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| 17:05:02 | FromGitter | <bluenote10> FYI I have updated the PR. Since duplicating this `escape` code fragment would have meant that we also need to duplicate its docstring I introduced a single source of truth for that at least. Let me know what you think |
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| 17:48:52 | GitDisc | <treeform> Any thoughts on why this error happend once I updated nim though git? https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/6866 |
| 17:51:00 | GitDisc | <treeform> atleast its not a compiler crash, nim does not seem to like 16 bit numbers |
| 17:51:07 | GitDisc | <treeform> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/6181 |
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| 18:05:23 | FromGitter | <tim-st> Is there a lzma decompressor lib for nim available? |
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| 18:15:36 | FromGitter | <ephja> was messing around with easy_buffer_encode and stream_buffer_decode before but I never shared it |
| 18:16:49 | FromGitter | <tim-st> did it work? |
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| 18:18:07 | FromGitter | <tim-st> Can I just translate this Python file which uses ctypes? https://gist.github.com/pudquick/9f9023f8e9b1a9af53d0/b085c67b918b14475f9036ae52ed1013615412f6 |
| 18:19:33 | FromGitter | <ephja> probably |
| 18:20:49 | FromGitter | <tim-st> Ok, will try it. Does the gc runs on the dll too? |
| 18:22:19 | FromGitter | <ephja> I should make a repo |
| 18:22:26 | FromGitter | <ephja> @tim-st the liblzma dll? |
| 18:22:32 | FromGitter | <tim-st> yes |
| 18:22:56 | FromGitter | <tim-st> would be nice, if you got it working, otherwise I will try to translate the python file |
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| 18:29:39 | FromGitter | <ephja> not directly because it operates on plain pointers that are not managed by Nim's GC |
| 18:30:51 | FromGitter | <tim-st> So the nim gc will never make overhead on linked libraries? |
| 18:34:29 | FromGitter | <ephja> nope |
| 18:34:39 | FromGitter | <tim-st> Thanks! |
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| 19:13:48 | FromGitter | <Varriount> Tim: What do you mean by overhead? |
| 19:16:02 | FromGitter | <Varriount> @tim-st I would recommend using c2nim to create a wrapper for liblzma, or check that a wrapper hasn't already been created |
| 19:18:55 | FromGitter | <tim-st> @Varriount I meant for example garbage collection on c code. And maybe if the compiler always includes the complete dll or only relevant parts of it. Ok, will have a look at c2nim. |
| 19:19:52 | FromGitter | <ephja> I have created bindings |
| 19:20:32 | FromGitter | <ephja> I think I can share it on github tomorrow |
| 19:21:00 | FromGitter | <Varriount> By "complete dll" do you mean the entire dll file, or the entire wrapper? |
| 19:21:14 | FromGitter | <tim-st> @ephja Very nice, thank you. |
| 19:22:58 | FromGitter | <tim-st> @Varriount If I link a dll will always the complete filesize will be inside the created binary, or can the compile pull out relevant parts? |
| 19:23:15 | FromGitter | <tim-st> *compiler |
| 19:23:20 | FromGitter | <ephja> dll's are loaded at runtime |
| 19:23:39 | FromGitter | <tim-st> Can't they be inlcuded? |
| 19:23:52 | FromGitter | <Varriount> Only through black magic |
| 19:24:16 | FromGitter | <tim-st> What does it mean? |
| 19:24:40 | FromGitter | <Varriount> Technically you can include a DLL in an executable as a large array of bytes |
| 19:25:06 | FromGitter | <Varriount> You could then go through the same process the operating system does to load that DLL at runtime. |
| 19:25:17 | FromGitter | <ephja> I assume he's talking about the traditional static linking approach, which never uses DLL's unless I'm mistaken |
| 19:25:35 | FromGitter | <tim-st> I was pretty sure, I read on the nim page, that it possible. So in other words, when I depend on a dll I will always put it next to my exe/binary file?! |
| 19:26:09 | FromGitter | <ephja> anyway, static linking is a little more complicated. here's an example https://github.com/ephja/nim-glfw/blob/master/src/glfw/wrapper.nim |
| 19:27:48 | FromGitter | <Varriount> @tim-st Yes. The "no dependencies" statement on the front page is really |
| 19:28:06 | FromGitter | <tim-st> @Varriount Yes, I meant that. |
| 19:28:26 | FromGitter | <Varriount> "No dependencies unless you add them by using a separate C dll" |
| 19:28:58 | FromGitter | <tim-st> And what about pcre? Isn't it a dll too? |
| 19:30:29 | FromGitter | <Varriount> Yes |
| 19:32:12 | FromGitter | <Varriount> @tim-st What that "no dependencies" statement means is that Nim binaries don't need a dll like "nim-runtime.dll" |
| 19:32:31 | FromGitter | <ephja> was the BDFL working on a regex implementation? |
| 19:32:56 | FromGitter | <Varriount> Araq had something, I don't know if he competed it. |
| 19:33:48 | FromGitter | <tim-st> @Varriount Ok, thanks. |
| 19:55:51 | Araq | well it's a lexer generator |
| 19:56:08 | Araq | it worked, unfortunately I have no need for a lexer generator |
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| 20:59:16 | FromGitter | <Varriount> Araq: Any ideas on how to answer https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/3391 ? |
| 21:00:40 | Araq | what's the question? |
| 21:02:16 | Araq | hasKey and len are missing for the obvious reason that there is no way to use them without introducing races |
| 21:13:58 | PMunch | Hmm, so addr of result doesn't work. Is there a way to make it work? |
| 21:16:30 | Araq | it does work. |
| 21:16:52 | PMunch | It does? I'm getting expression has no address.. |
| 21:17:35 | PMunch | Oh wait, I might be doing something else wrong |
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| 21:27:21 | PMunch | Hmm, that's strange |
| 21:27:22 | Araq | varriount: I replied. |
| 21:28:08 | PMunch | When I copy the output from the macro into my code it works fine. But the output itself doesn't work.. |
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| 22:01:32 | GitDisc | <treeform> Hey guys, I am continuing to make font renderer in pure nim, wanted to share. Which of the 3 looks best? |
| 22:01:34 | GitDisc | <treeform> |
| 22:01:34 | GitDisc | <treeform> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/371759389889003532/387000435506020363/unknown.png |
| 22:02:05 | GitDisc | <treeform> you would need to open the image 1:1 non scaled to compair |
| 22:06:55 | PMunch | I'd say the first one |
| 22:14:49 | subsetpark | definitely the first one |
| 22:15:46 | elrood | first one for me too. spacing doesn't look quite right on it though |
| 22:19:40 | jjido | Third one here |
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| 22:25:35 | Araq | first one. |
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| 22:39:12 | FromGitter | <zetashift> first one looks better for me |
| 22:41:06 | GitDisc | <treeform> nice first one is mine. I am still not sure why the spacing are off. Working on that. |
| 22:41:50 | GitDisc | <treeform> 2nd one is Apple's font rendering. And 3d one is just svg shapes rastorized. |
| 22:43:19 | GitDisc | <treeform> thank you for the vote of confidence in my font skills. |
| 22:49:50 | ftsf | https://impbox.itch.io/cute-cats-daily \o/ compiled my LD game to JS |
| 22:56:37 | PMunch | Hmm, this "expression has no address" is really weird |
| 22:57:34 | PMunch | Is it something about :tmp variables? That's the only thing I change when I copy the output of the macro manually |
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| 23:00:03 | FromGitter | <zetashift> @ftsf sweet! plays neatly, but audio gets a bit sluggish after like 2 mins playing |
| 23:00:22 | ftsf | hmmm, dang! |
| 23:00:26 | ftsf | wonder why |
| 23:00:30 | ftsf | which browser? |
| 23:00:44 | ftsf | i am doing lots of custom audio stuff |
| 23:01:00 | ftsf | but it shouldn't get slower |
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| 23:03:57 | FromGitter | <zetashift> firefox 57.0 64bit |
| 23:04:14 | ftsf | hmm same as me |
| 23:06:43 | ftsf | ahh yeah it's starting to happen for me too after a few mins |
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| 23:09:56 | GitDisc | <treeform> pretty cool game. It has a small story. Mechanics. Cats. |
| 23:18:21 | PMunch | Hmm, is there something about using result in a "quote do" block that doesn't work? |
| 23:20:04 | Araq | PMunch, yup, known bug. pita to fix :P |
| 23:20:11 | PMunch | Ah.. |
| 23:20:21 | PMunch | That's why my program wasn't working.. |
| 23:20:37 | PMunch | Crap.. That's going to take a lot of replacing to fix.. |
| 23:20:49 | PMunch | Is it specifically the result value? |
| 23:20:59 | PMunch | Like can I work around it in some smart way? |
| 23:21:22 | PMunch | Right now I have to go through and change them all to those ugly newTree blocks.. |
| 23:23:46 | PMunch | Ah, apparently created a variable like "var r = newIdentNode("result")" and then using r instead of result (but with backticks) makes it work |
| 23:30:40 | PMunch | Nice, now my binary file parsing macro is working :) |
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| 23:57:50 | FromGitter | <ephja> Araq: call it a feature? |
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