| 00:00:47 | def- | Araq: don't think so since it still failed for Demos today |
| 00:00:59 | Araq | def-: well it works for me |
| 00:01:14 | Demos | Araq, it worked for me when I bootstraped from a newish compiler |
| 00:01:18 | Demos | failed when going from csources |
| 00:01:28 | Araq | oh ok |
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| 00:02:11 | Araq | well we can always regenerate csources |
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| 00:04:00 | Araq | good night |
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| 00:38:07 | flaviu | http://nim-lang.org/manual.html#avoiding-sql-injection-attacks is a bad example. |
| 00:41:11 | flaviu | Actually, it's a very good example. |
| 00:41:34 | flaviu | I should finish reading before saying things, sorry. |
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| 01:45:04 | flaviu | Is there some way to manually set the parent field for exceptions? |
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| 02:00:22 | kashyap__ | thanks def- not sure if asm would help here ... I'll try |
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| 04:27:16 | dtscode | dom96, you should write a tutorial on async code |
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| 09:43:18 | reactormonk | Araq, so no writing to stderr even though that's what excpt.nim does? |
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| 10:12:20 | Araq | reactormonk: hrm |
| 10:12:27 | Araq | don't we have a template 'stdmsg' for that? |
| 10:13:59 | Araq | kashyap_: you can do the same via the .codegenDecl pragma, please check it out |
| 10:14:28 | Araq | (the same here means "get some 'asm' annotation for a variable) |
| 10:14:46 | kashyap_ | Araq thanks |
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| 10:15:42 | kashyap_ | Araq I dont see it in the manual ... where can I read about it? |
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| 10:16:23 | Araq | boy our docs must suck |
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| 10:16:45 | Araq | http://nim-lang.org/theindex.html |
| 10:16:49 | Araq | search for "codegenDecl" |
| 10:17:00 | Araq | http://nim-lang.org/nimc.html#codegendecl-pragma |
| 10:18:33 | kashyap_ | thanks for the links |
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| 11:59:51 | kashyap_ | Where can I read up about the concurrency model in Nim? (this is ofcourse not for the kernel but for regular programs) |
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| 12:14:39 | Araq | http://nim-lang.org/manual.html#threads |
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| 13:01:57 | dumdum | where should I put a .nim file which I want importable in all nim projects? |
| 13:03:14 | BlaXpirit | dumdum, quickly turn it into a nimble package and install it |
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| 13:11:13 | dumdum | BlaXpirit: how? |
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| 13:11:19 | BlaXpirit | quickly |
| 13:11:20 | BlaXpirit | lol |
| 13:11:24 | dumdum | :D |
| 13:11:36 | BlaXpirit | umm this inspired me to write a blog article |
| 13:11:44 | BlaXpirit | which inspired me to remake my blog |
| 13:11:47 | BlaXpirit | instead of helping u lol |
| 13:11:51 | dumdum | :D :D |
| 13:11:55 | drewsrem | Is there autocompletion in Aporia? |
| 13:11:55 | BlaXpirit | but yeah.. give me a few minutes |
| 13:12:52 | dumdum | drewsrem: Yes, but it is not working for me at the moment |
| 13:13:13 | drewsrem | dumdum, I see |
| 13:13:24 | dumdum | with nim ver 0.10.2 |
| 13:14:01 | dumdum | till thats works, I am using sublime text 3 with nimlime |
| 13:15:49 | BlaXpirit | dumdum, https://gist.github.com/BlaXpirit/1dbf8d36cefb00d1b56d |
| 13:20:35 | dumdum | yayy :D works! |
| 13:32:09 | Araq | dumdum: alternatively you can also simply use --path |
| 13:34:36 | dumdum | thanks :) |
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| 14:01:05 | AtomicBool | ping def- |
| 14:03:48 | def- | AtomicBool: pong |
| 14:03:56 | def- | (but i'll be afk in a few minutes) |
| 14:04:06 | AtomicBool | def-, can I get that link again from the becnhmarks game? |
| 14:04:11 | AtomicBool | of Nim |
| 14:04:22 | def- | https://github.com/def-/nim-benchmarksgame |
| 14:04:31 | AtomicBool | thanks |
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| 14:07:15 | AtomicBool | are you going to keep working on it Def- |
| 14:07:53 | def- | maybe, maybe not. people can send pull requests and we can collect nim implementations like that |
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| 14:13:35 | AtomicBool | ok, make sure to spread the word so people know |
| 14:13:43 | AtomicBool | im out, cya |
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| 14:16:38 | Varriount|Mobile | Araq: One of your commits appears to have broken bootstrapping - https://github.com/Araq/Nim/commit/a0d3bd16e73c98840c65ab890064e1aa750b7060 |
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| 14:40:24 | Araq | Varriount|Mobile: broken for whom? for me it obviously works |
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| 14:51:21 | Araq | Var|Mobile: well can you elaborate? |
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| 17:01:42 | superfunc | hey everyone |
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| 17:16:09 | Var|Mobile | Araq: It's a C++ codegen error - see http://buildbot.nim-lang.org/builders/linux-arm5-builder/builds/112 and http://buildbot.nim-lang.org/builders/linux-arm5-builder/builds/112/steps/Bootstrap%20Debug%20Version%20of%20Nim%20Compiler%20%28With%20C%2B%2B%20Backend%29/logs/stdio |
| 17:21:16 | * | Var|Mobile makes a note to self that the C++ bootstrap shouldn't halt building. |
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| 18:14:56 | Araq | Var|Mobile: does that test the mixed mode? |
| 18:15:09 | Araq | or is full C++ bootstrapping broken? |
| 18:15:21 | Araq | because I plan to throw mixed mode away, tbh |
| 18:15:31 | Araq | too hard to maintain for too little benefit |
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| 18:15:52 | Araq | instead C++ support should be good enough that everything works with it |
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| 18:50:36 | def- | reactormonk: can I make a test that expects a certain kind of error to happen on compilation? |
| 18:51:38 | Araq | yes |
| 18:51:59 | Araq | errormsg: "some substr of the expected error" |
| 18:52:06 | def- | nice, thanks |
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| 18:54:24 | def- | there are no c++ tests so far? |
| 18:56:03 | Araq | well we test bootstrapping works in C++ mode, apparently |
| 18:57:57 | def- | can the tester be told to compile with cpp? |
| 19:02:40 | Araq | for individual tests you can use: cmd= "nim cpp $#" |
| 19:02:46 | Araq | iirc |
| 19:03:05 | Araq | somebody should document it |
| 19:03:34 | Araq | disable every 'rodgen' test while you're at it |
| 19:03:45 | Araq | we know these will be broken for another decade |
| 19:03:55 | def- | the ones in rodfiles? |
| 19:04:29 | Araq | yeah |
| 19:04:32 | def- | and how do you disable tests? removing the t at the start of the filename? |
| 19:04:45 | Araq | rodfiles is a special category |
| 19:05:22 | Araq | special categories are handled via categories.nim |
| 19:05:26 | def- | i see |
| 19:05:31 | Araq | you need to disable them there |
| 19:08:03 | def- | oh, cpp doesn't compile right now anyway |
| 19:10:46 | matkuki | Araq: Is it possible to create a module with a macro, then insert nodes into it? |
| 19:12:36 | matkuki | Or def-? |
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| 19:16:48 | ekarlso | Araq: did you get the codegen stuff fixed |
| 19:17:13 | def- | matkuki: i don't know how |
| 19:18:55 | matkuki | def-: Or some other way to create a namespace inside a module? |
| 19:21:04 | def- | matkuki: i thought about it last time you asked, but i only have really really hacky solutions, that would even impact performance |
| 19:21:20 | def- | i think you're not supposed to do that, why do you need it? |
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| 19:26:04 | matkuki | def-: I know you're right, but I really like the idea of separating a module into blocks. |
| 19:26:06 | matkuki | I have a namespace macro that does nothing, only adds an indentation to a segment of code, which already helps me with readability. |
| 19:27:07 | def- | if you need that, maybe split your code into more files? |
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| 19:28:44 | matkuki | def-: Probably will. But sometimes I need code in one module, it sometimes makes more sense to me. Thanks anyway. |
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| 19:30:36 | Mat4 | hello |
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| 19:32:10 | matkuki | hi |
| 19:33:41 | Mat4 | hi matkuki |
| 19:33:54 | Mat4 | are you new here ? |
| 19:34:10 | matkuki | Pretty much, yeah. You? |
| 19:37:11 | Mat4 | not so new (but learning daily new about Nim and its implementation) |
| 19:39:12 | matkuki | Same here. Still trying to get a decent grip at macros. |
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| 19:42:24 | Mat4 | for what ? |
| 19:45:43 | matkuki | Emulating classes from other languages(flaviu's OOP macro works great), simple namespaces, ... |
| 19:46:17 | ekarlso | dom96: gotten to look at my nimble stuffs ? |
| 19:51:10 | Mat4 | ok, I see |
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| 19:52:49 | matkuki | Anyone know how the "Coding Guidelines" are coming along? I forgot who said was writing them. Varriount? |
| 19:53:41 | Araq | matkuki: what do you mean? they have been written and we try to adhere to them |
| 19:54:53 | Mat4 | where can I find them ? |
| 19:55:04 | Araq | http://localhost:5000/setUserStatus?nick=Elina2&type=activate |
| 19:55:08 | Araq | er |
| 19:55:10 | Mat4 | thanks |
| 19:55:14 | Araq | wrong link lol |
| 19:55:20 | Araq | https://github.com/Araq/Nim/wiki/Style-Guide-for-Nim-Code |
| 19:55:41 | Mat4 | Elina2 ?? |
| 19:56:47 | Araq | yeah well ... what can I say? I know too many women |
| 19:57:43 | Mat4 | *g* |
| 19:58:52 | matkuki | Araq: Thanks! I forgot to refresh the github wiki and was still inactive when last time I checked. |
| 19:59:05 | Araq | Mat4: dom96 started working on a toy native code backend for x64. interested in the code? |
| 19:59:24 | Mat4 | sure |
| 19:59:25 | def- | matkuki: no, i just changed it after araq wrote the new link here :P |
| 20:00:07 | matkuki | def-: My god that was quick! |
| 20:00:32 | matkuki | Good work. |
| 20:00:38 | Araq | "Type identifiers should be in camelCase. All other identifiers should be in camelCase " |
| 20:00:57 | Araq | <-- something is wrong with this sentence |
| 20:01:40 | Araq | oh well I'll edit it |
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| 20:01:54 | matkuki | def-: I need this guide, because Araq loves my "python_variable :string" lines :) |
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| 20:07:35 | Mat4 | Araq: have he a repro online ? |
| 20:10:14 | Araq | Mat4: sorry, I dunno if he already pushed the branch |
| 20:10:29 | reactormonk | Araq, there's some stuff you can do with git and whitespace, but only on git apply -.- naturally, we could make a pre-commit hook that complains about whitespace. |
| 20:10:56 | Araq | I don't want complains |
| 20:11:02 | Araq | I don't want to see it |
| 20:11:13 | Araq | I don't care about ws and you should not either |
| 20:11:19 | Araq | nobody should. it's pathetic. |
| 20:12:13 | dom96 | Is my advice not enough? |
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| 20:12:32 | Araq | I don't want to add crap to my urls either to not see it |
| 20:12:49 | dom96 | why? |
| 20:13:33 | Araq | because sane defaults are a joy |
| 20:13:55 | dom96 | then complain to github |
| 20:14:09 | dom96 | don't outright reject PRs just because there are whitespace changes |
| 20:14:47 | Araq | I don't do that |
| 20:14:56 | Araq | I reject PRs that are only "fixing" whitespace |
| 20:15:06 | dom96 | good |
| 20:15:13 | dom96 | Then there is nothing to argue about. |
| 20:24:06 | def- | Trailing whitespace can also be annoying. try looking at https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Araq/Nim/devel/lib/windows/shfolder.nim with ~80 chars width |
| 20:24:23 | reactormonk | Araq, with the c part in https://github.com/Araq/Nim/pull/1891 ? |
| 20:24:37 | BlaXpirit_ | def-, D: |
| 20:25:15 | BlaXpirit_ | ha, my text editor doesn't show it weird |
| 20:25:22 | Araq | def-: it is only annoying because the browser doesn't remove it. but it should. |
| 20:25:43 | reactormonk | Araq, let's just remove the whitespace once and for all, as per def-'s PR. You can't always work against the tooling. |
| 20:26:01 | def- | Araq: I agree, but many tools and editors don't unfortunately |
| 20:26:48 | BlaXpirit_ | personally I don't care, but I see removing whitespace as an advantage for the project |
| 20:27:44 | Araq | reactormonk: that breaks every non-applied PR then |
| 20:27:59 | BlaXpirit_ | scratch my last message |
| 20:28:04 | Araq | and ends up in git's history etc etc |
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| 20:30:07 | reactormonk | Araq, yes. But it's like cleaning up the history. You gotta do it at some time. |
| 20:30:19 | Araq | reactormonk: the C part is bad but the bat/sh scripts are worse |
| 20:31:13 | dom96 | getting rid of whitespace should be done organically |
| 20:31:28 | dom96 | i.e. only remove it in the files you are touching |
| 20:31:45 | BlaXpirit_ | I agree to that |
| 20:31:46 | dgym | hello, can a macro's expansion be an expression? I'm having a hard time using a pragma macro in a proc expression (anonymous lambda): http://pastebin.com/Vhw3zsYb |
| 20:31:51 | BlaXpirit_ | but people aren't gonna remember |
| 20:31:58 | def- | dom96: that's so much manual work |
| 20:31:58 | dgym | I am probably deeply confused |
| 20:32:13 | BlaXpirit_ | def-, no manual work if editor does it |
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| 20:35:38 | def- | dgym: i don't see anything wrong with what you're trying. maybe not supposed to work or a bug? |
| 20:36:17 | flaviu | Araq: What if I program in Whitespace? Your suggestion would break all my programs. |
| 20:37:13 | Araq | flaviu: that's a nice side effect then |
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| 20:39:06 | dgym | thanks def-, the error about discarding suggests to me that the expansion is a statement rather than an expression, but coming from Lisp macros I'm still not sure about the differences between a statement and an expression |
| 20:45:18 | Mat4 | you will make you life easier not compare Nim macros with the macro extension feature in Lisp |
| 20:46:35 | Araq | dgym: please report it |
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| 21:01:56 | superfunc | does my PR for csources look sensible? It just defaults the CC and LINKER to clang under freebsd |
| 21:04:10 | Araq | superfunc: I see no such PR |
| 21:04:39 | superfunc | https://github.com/nim-lang/csources/pull/9 |
| 21:05:06 | superfunc | just something I noticed on a fresh install of freebsd I had |
| 21:06:28 | def- | superfunc: i think you should update niminst's tools/buildsh.tmpl instead |
| 21:06:58 | def- | (which already has this change) |
| 21:07:07 | def- | someone should rebuild csources I guess |
| 21:07:33 | superfunc | oh, my bad |
| 21:07:36 | superfunc | I'll close it out |
| 21:16:14 | Araq | ping Var|Mobile |
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| 21:29:54 | Araq | hi codmajik welcome |
| 21:33:41 | Araq | wooohooo! |
| 21:33:56 | Araq | and the price for the best PR this year goes to ... |
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| 21:36:07 | def- | Araq: me, for the trailing whitespace PR?! |
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| 21:38:28 | Araq | https://github.com/Araq/Nim/pull/2067 |
| 21:38:39 | Araq | many thanks def- ! |
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| 21:39:29 | def- | You're welcome. The official test framework turned out to be better than the one i'm running here: https://github.com/def-/nim-unsorted/blob/master/test_all.nim |
| 21:42:42 | Araq | well ... that's bad |
| 21:45:27 | Araq | bbl |
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| 22:17:25 | reactormonk | Araq, btw, fixed stuff |
| 22:17:51 | reactormonk | def-, cool, more running tests |
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| 22:18:33 | reactormonk | def-, that's probably the better solution - imo there shouldn't be false positives if you try to test if your change messed anything up |
| 22:18:49 | reactormonk | i.e. you should be able to rely on the test suite telling you when there is a regression |
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| 23:43:28 | flaviu | Is there some way to handle a certain signal manually? |
| 23:46:07 | flaviu | Or, to avoid a XY question, I'd like to prevent a segfault from stopping the program. |
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| 23:51:47 | sillesta | sounds dangerous :) |
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| 23:58:45 | Jehan_ | flaviu: You can install signal handlers, but they're subject to the usual constraints on signal handlers. |
| 23:59:17 | Jehan_ | Also, I'm not sure if there's a generally sane way to recover from segfaults. |
| 23:59:34 | ldlework | welcome back Jehan_ |