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| 01:30:20 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> In reply to @treeform "I am not a": based on what I see as arguments against unit tests in your post, the issue sounds like badly architected tests that are written after the fact for code that was never written to be tested↵in short, friction everywhere, that would be solved by learning to write testable code↵if tests cannot be deleted and/or midified easily, thats a big symptom of a much bigger problem that is not coming from tes |
| 01:33:46 | FromDiscord | <umi_l> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=fzZXdSCx |
| 01:33:59 | FromDiscord | <umi_l> however it doesn't seem possible to pass an array of typedesc to a macro |
| 01:34:27 | FromDiscord | <umi_l> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=NVMktyTy" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=JjjCsogt" |
| 01:35:12 | FromDiscord | <umi_l> the idea would be to loop through each type and generate its constructor to allow scripts to be instantiated at runtime via their name |
| 01:36:28 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> `varargs[typed]` |
| 01:37:06 | FromDiscord | <treeform> In reply to @heysokam "based on what I": I am speaking from expense here. Adjacent project end up being really badly tested. While my project using my philosophy are way better tested. |
| 01:37:20 | FromDiscord | <treeform> I think this is mainly that every one sucks at writing tests, no one wants to do it. |
| 01:37:38 | FromDiscord | <treeform> I found a way to make test writing take way less effort. So I do it more. |
| 01:37:45 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> ic |
| 01:37:48 | FromDiscord | <treeform> So I get more tests. |
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| 01:39:10 | FromDiscord | <treeform> Architecting a project is hard. Making it so its also easily testable introduces another constraint on it. This makes project harder. |
| 01:39:44 | FromDiscord | <treeform> With my print testing hopefully the constraint on making the code testable is less. So you can make it more readable or faster etc... other constraints. |
| 01:40:41 | FromDiscord | <treeform> Print testing is not very invasive technique so hopefully the other code does not have to suffer from being tastible. |
| 01:42:42 | FromDiscord | <treeform> From my stint at Google and their overbearing testing practices left code basically fossilized. It was hard to change anything, because the amount of test rewriting you had to do made a lot of code kind of append only. Very strange place. |
| 01:43:09 | FromDiscord | <treeform> And the strange thing app was still really buggy for the end user. Have you used Google products? |
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| 02:31:54 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> In reply to @summarity "I did. I'm sure": looks like it could easily be made to be generic over all table-like types |
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| 07:36:24 | FromDiscord | <arnetheduck> In reply to @treeform "I have a draft": nice idea! there's certainly something here |
| 08:18:30 | Amun-Ra | since proc owner(sym: NimNode): NimNode is now deprecated what's the alternative? |
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| 08:25:18 | FromDiscord | <ret_bld_engr_35092> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/ZcNExlbU |
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| 08:38:06 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @ret_bld_engr_35092 "on MacOS, Nim libraries": does this issue not disappear when you install gmp via eg gmp? |
| 08:39:06 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> alternatively, can you link to the details page you mention? |
| 08:40:28 | FromDiscord | <ret_bld_engr_35092> I don't use brew; it conflicts with MacPorts. |
| 08:41:00 | FromDiscord | <ret_bld_engr_35092> https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category_talk:Nim |
| 08:41:36 | FromDiscord | <ret_bld_engr_35092> I'm able to use gmp with other languages (gmp also comes from MacPorts). |
| 08:41:56 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @ret_bld_engr_35092 "I don't use brew;": does it? I had MacPorts and brew installed on my M1 mac at the same time and didn't notice any problems |
| 08:42:04 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> they seemed to be using different paths |
| 08:43:03 | FromDiscord | <ret_bld_engr_35092> MacPorts strongly discurages using both concurrently on the same machine. I've run into weird build issues that went away when I uninstalled brew. |
| 08:43:25 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @ret_bld_engr_35092 "MacPorts strongly discurages using": fair enough |
| 08:43:43 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> where is libgmp on the system when installed via macports? |
| 08:45:23 | FromDiscord | <ret_bld_engr_35092> Loks like /opt/local/lib |
| 08:45:39 | FromDiscord | <ret_bld_engr_35092> Looks like |
| 08:46:14 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @ret_bld_engr_35092 "https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category_talk:Nim": essentially, nim does dlopen("libgmp.dylib") (without specifying the full path at all) at runtime if it's in the correct place, it should find and load it with no issues |
| 08:47:26 | FromDiscord | <ret_bld_engr_35092> Perhaps I should forward parts of the email thread I had on the MacPort list regarding this. In essence, they say that Linux-style linking is not correct on MacOS. |
| 08:47:36 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> currently, it's looking at './libgmp.dylib', '/System/Volumes/Preboot/Cryptexes/OSlibgmp.dylib' and '/usr/lib/libgmp.dylib' |
| 08:47:53 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @ret_bld_engr_35092 "Perhaps I should forward": yes please |
| 08:49:35 | FromDiscord | <ret_bld_engr_35092> Here is part of one email: |
| 08:49:37 | FromDiscord | <ret_bld_engr_35092> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/GcTYaovh |
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| 09:06:22 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @ret_bld_engr_35092 "I agree, on my": this is tracked here: https://github.com/nim-lang/rfcs/issues/58 |
| 09:07:03 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> sorry, not _this_, but the linux variant of this |
| 09:07:13 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> which, overall, encompasses the same problem |
| 09:08:42 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> one of the comments also mentions that you can use `--dynlibOverrideAll` and link the required libraries |
| 09:09:06 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> which, while i haven't tried it on macos myself, i think should work just fine |
| 09:11:54 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> MacPorts might be able to ship this as a default configuration with nim, but I'm not 100% confident about this, someone smarter will have to chime in |
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| 10:24:16 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/SzqEkKaJ |
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| 14:31:44 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=xmdFQJxX |
| 14:31:53 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> how do i solve this |
| 14:41:46 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @matt_07672 "how do i solve": silly suggestion but try reordering the statement |
| 14:42:05 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=VpDENZXQ |
| 14:42:22 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> same error |
| 14:42:29 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> its using vmath |
| 14:42:38 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> well it shouldn't have the _same_ error |
| 14:42:49 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> [1] and [2] should be swapped at the very least |
| 14:43:10 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=NXKIMtCN |
| 14:43:23 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> have you imported `shady`? |
| 14:43:32 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> yes |
| 14:43:40 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> its not my lib |
| 14:44:02 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> https://github.com/treeform/boxy/blob/94db8b259530cbc1243566e24fe52592b8394535/src/boxy/blends.nim#L180 |
| 14:44:35 | FromDiscord | <fabric.input_output> I think the uniform should be a param of the proc |
| 14:44:43 | FromDiscord | <fabric.input_output> or maybe not hm |
| 14:44:55 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @matt_07672 "https://github.com/treeform/boxy/blob/94db8b259530c": this file compiles for me |
| 14:45:26 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> hm |
| 14:45:37 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=VSdoqzjs |
| 14:47:07 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> the minimal example doesnt work for me |
| 14:47:13 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> how are you compiling |
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| 14:47:32 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> @nnsee |
| 14:47:57 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> literally just `nim r test.nim` |
| 14:49:43 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> im reinstalling boxy |
| 14:50:28 | FromDiscord | <matt_07672> are you uning the latest version |
| 14:50:46 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> i installed it from `master` |
| 14:50:52 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> ie, cloned it and did `nimble install` in the directory |
| 14:51:31 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> maybe there's some changes that haven't been "pushed to nimble" so to speak |
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| 15:17:11 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> this piece of code https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=BRayoaup used to work, but now it doesn't (2.2.0\: `Error: recursive dependency: 'encrypt'`). It comes from this thread https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/1305#38353I'm interested in how it works. Non strictly what it does, but how it does something at compile time and reverts it at runtime in a single macro. How is it possible? |
| 15:20:18 | FromDiscord | <odexine> oh its this again |
| 15:22:37 | FromDiscord | <odexine> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=MPyLTeJj |
| 15:30:47 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> ok, but if so, why is it recursive? after a pass on a constant string it becomes`let foo = decodeString("the encoded string", "encoded key vX")`there's no recursive call on encrypt |
| 15:35:03 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> it actually says "recursive dependency" not "recursive call", so it must be something else |
| 15:42:08 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> well the issue seems that the term rewriting macros are no more https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=IeLiGbUy |
| 16:06:31 | FromDiscord | <pmunch> In reply to @arkanoid "well the issue seems": What?! I had just found a very useful application for them! |
| 16:10:44 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> I'm curious, can you share the idea? |
| 16:13:41 | FromDiscord | <fabric.input_output> on latest I get this tho https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1336369093934321715/image.png?ex=67a38e34&is=67a23cb4&hm=43759dfb833402415809892e2aeda9af718bb9a471a9f1718c6da118c2ff1777& |
| 16:14:10 | FromDiscord | <fabric.input_output> I doubt I would be getting that if they were removed |
| 16:15:52 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> not removed, but apparently what used to work now doesn't |
| 16:17:34 | FromDiscord | <fabric.input_output> used to? I can't find a version where this works |
| 16:19:02 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> well in 2020 apparently used to\: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/1305#38353 |
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| 16:30:17 | FromDiscord | <eebahn> wkat |
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| 16:31:55 | FromDiscord | <eebahn> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/doc/grammar.txt↵what grammar language is the file `doc/grammar.txt` using?↵is it peg, ebnf, or something else entirely?↵it seems to be using weird constructs, and unsure of what syntax it is exactly |
| 16:33:08 | FromDiscord | <eebahn> _(weird meaning that I haven't seen them before myself, and that I'm having trouble pin-pointing them to one grammar lang in particular)_ |
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| 16:57:08 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> how can I call a function from a nnkNode inside a macro? |
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| 17:24:14 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> I mean the node is of kind nnkCall and is const-time runnable, so I want to run it, grab the value and use it inside the macro |
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| 17:56:13 | FromDiscord | <pmunch> In reply to @arkanoid "I'm curious, can you": Replacing all `echo` statements in code with a custom log command. Could be used to replace any other function as well though. |
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| 19:29:42 | FromDiscord | <nasuray> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=yhxBJBOf |
| 19:46:47 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Runs on the playground fine it seems |
| 19:52:47 | FromDiscord | <pmunch> Ah nice, my project is saved! |
| 19:53:21 | FromDiscord | <pmunch> It's of course more than just that, but it's a part of it |
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