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| 00:24:31 | Sergio965 | Is there a way to set a default value on an object's propety? |
| 00:25:26 | def- | Sergio965: make an initMyObject/newMyObject proc with default values |
| 00:25:39 | def- | default values for the proc parameters |
| 00:26:23 | Sergio965 | Are you saying to use just a regular function or is there some way to specify the initializer? |
| 00:26:47 | def- | regular function |
| 00:27:06 | Sergio965 | Sigh, that's unfortunate. |
| 00:27:10 | Sergio965 | Makes things look not as nice. |
| 00:27:31 | def- | quite the opposite, it's nice and the way to go in Nim |
| 00:27:53 | def- | and consistent with Nim's standard library of course |
| 00:28:07 | Sergio965 | Well, calling a function looks like: newPoint(x = 10, y = 20) as opposed to Point(x: 10, y: 20) |
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| 00:29:14 | def- | sure, but that's just syntax. what if one day you decide that your Point object needs a new field that's set dependent on some other fields. With the newPoint proc you can easily add that, by calling the Point constructor you can't and have to change all invocations |
| 00:30:27 | Sergio965 | Sure sure, I understand the benefit. But it would be nice if I could just specify a proc named Point(x: float, y: float) that woudl be called when Point(x: 10, y: 10) is written. |
| 00:30:38 | Sergio965 | An initializer |
| 00:31:10 | def- | well, if you don't want consistency with the rest of Nim you can call your proc Point and call it with Point(x=10, y=10) |
| 00:31:33 | Sergio965 | Yeah, that's fair. |
| 00:31:58 | def- | there were quite a few discussions about constructors and naming if you're interested: http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/703 |
| 00:34:57 | Sergio965 | Indeed, a lengthy discussion. |
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| 06:04:38 | fUD | Where are the best instructions for building from git. |
| 06:04:50 | fUD | Seems the instructions are missing a bit on how to actually install |
| 06:05:56 | fUD | Should I use kosh to install for example into my home dir? |
| 06:07:06 | fUD | koch that is. |
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| 06:28:09 | fUD | ok, I got a bit further installed it to ~/.nim and added ~/.nim/nim/bin to my path |
| 06:28:26 | fUD | I'm trying to install Nimble and get. |
| 06:28:27 | fUD | Users/billsb/Code/Nim/nimble0/src/nimblepkg/nimscriptsupport.nim(8, 11) Error: cannot open 'compiler/ast' |
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| 09:09:01 | vegansk | Araq, hi. I have a question about ``types.nim`` and firstOrd function. Is it a mistake that firstOrd returns -2147483648 for int32 or int on 32bit platform? Isn't it -2147483647? |
| 09:10:41 | Araq | vegansk: no, it has to be even. thanks to two's complement representation there is one negative number that has no positive counterpart (and boy does that suck) |
| 09:11:35 | Araq | IMHO the bit pattern should have been hardwired to NaN or zero |
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| 09:12:41 | vegansk | Well, I got ``true`` for this expression on tcc (x86): ``1.BiggestInt < low(int)`` |
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| 09:19:42 | vegansk | On gcc it's ``false`` |
| 09:28:48 | Araq | I don't know why people bother with tcc. is that even maintained? |
| 09:29:33 | vegansk | Found it. Preparing the PR |
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| 09:37:36 | wuehlmaus | for me that's very easy: nim secret is unstable so i use tnim for a repl and that's quite slow so i use tcc which makes it much more bearable |
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| 11:41:50 | filwit | 2000+ forum threads. cool. |
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| 11:53:54 | Araq | filwit: tried the new 'using'? |
| 11:54:22 | filwit | Araq: nope. I've been using 0.13 release for the last month or so |
| 11:55:07 | filwit | Araq: but I thought you where depreciating that? Did you decide to keep it around and improve it instead? |
| 11:56:00 | Araq | I used the 'using' keyword for my 'sig' idea |
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| 11:56:15 | Araq | instead of the old 'using' we have a .this pragma |
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| 12:13:14 | filwit | oh right right. cool |
| 12:13:49 | filwit | i was going to suggest making the 'sig' (now using) a pragma (so you could push/pop it), but I don't think the syntax would work :\ |
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| 15:45:47 | PMunch | Is there a way to specify nulls in with the JSON module %* ? |
| 15:47:19 | PMunch | Say I want the JSON '{"test":null}', I tried with %*{"test":nil} but that results in '{"test":""}' |
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| 17:18:14 | dyce_ | is it possible to compile for arm linux from osx? |
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| 17:59:50 | def- | dyce_: If you can do it for C code, it should work for Nim |
| 18:01:04 | def- | PMunch: about the JSON null, let me see if I can add that |
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| 18:57:29 | federico3 | filwit: 2k forum threads but the commit activity on packages.json (and Nim itself) dropped very, very rapidly |
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| 19:41:05 | gmpreussner_ | i'm reading up on the constructor forum thread. that's quite a discussion... |
| 19:43:21 | gmpreussner_ | i'm only on page 7, but i feel like the bottom line of the argument is that we do not want to allow programmers to create objects with invalid state, which is definitely a good goal |
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| 20:01:56 | ldlework | Yeah I will often run into uninitialized string bugs for a few minuts anytime I create a new type with a string, or interact with one that has one. |
| 20:02:30 | ldlework | I rarely remember that unlike the tuple full of ints, the string field will sigsev if I don't do something meaningful with it |
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| 20:34:39 | Araq | ldlework: which language do you usually use that doesn't have this problem? |
| 20:34:51 | ldlework | python |
| 20:35:00 | ldlework | its not meaningful |
| 20:37:05 | Araq | python uses None instead? |
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| 20:37:48 | Araq | I tried to make not-nil the default btw, it requires rewriting the compiler ... but maybe we should do it as a mode instead |
| 20:38:10 | Araq | so that we can gradually move the compiler over to the new default |
| 20:39:41 | CarlSchou | Just installed Nim & Aporia and when compiling a basic echo program i'm getting this error http://pastebin.com/raw/sPextKLj Help would be appreciated |
| 20:40:16 | ldlework | Araq: a = str() == "" |
| 20:40:51 | Araq | CarlSchou: open a terminal (cmd.exe) and type 'gcc -v' |
| 20:41:07 | Araq | ldlework: cannot follow you. |
| 20:41:09 | CarlSchou | Im missing an environment variable i guess, command not found. |
| 20:41:59 | ldlework | Araq: if I call the builtin string type, I get an empty string |
| 20:42:26 | ldlework | There are no "string typed fields" so there is no uninitialzied string situation to begin with |
| 20:42:26 | Araq | CarlSchou: the installer can add 'gcc' to the PATH for you |
| 20:42:33 | ldlework | in params, yeah its none |
| 20:42:48 | CarlSchou | Ticked everything on while installing, weird. |
| 20:43:24 | Araq | CarlSchou: the installer sets your local PATH which for some reasons might not exist at all and then it silently does nothing ... (I think) |
| 20:45:09 | yglukhov | dom96: can i use a git submodule inside nimble package? |
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| 20:47:35 | CarlSchou | Reinstalled and still isn't working, do i just add compiler directory to my path variable? |
| 20:48:53 | CarlSchou | Checked my path, nothing nim related there. |
| 20:50:39 | Araq | CarlSchou: add $nim\bin and $nim\dist\mingw\bin to your PATH |
| 20:52:55 | CarlSchou | Hint: operation successful (10909 lines compiled; 0.329 sec total; 16.163MB; Debug Build) [SuccessX] ^^ |
| 20:53:10 | CarlSchou | is there a reason a simple echo exe is 240kbs? |
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| 20:55:05 | Araq | use -d:release and check again |
| 20:56:27 | CarlSchou | 67kb |
| 20:56:46 | CarlSchou | got it down to 24kb via some other ones but that's still alot for a one line |
| 20:56:50 | CarlSchou | got it down to 24kb via some other ones but that's still alot for a one line program |
| 20:57:39 | dom96 | yglukhov: I don't think Nimble will pull the submodules for you |
| 21:00:44 | CarlSchou | another error, this time --app:gui; http://pastebin.com/raw/7qaL6ixb |
| 21:01:11 | dom96 | CarlSchou: http://hookrace.net/blog/nim-binary-size/ |
| 21:01:32 | dom96 | You can get it down to 150 bytes if you really want |
| 21:03:21 | Araq | or save the file as .bat and get it down even further |
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| 21:13:38 | Ivan__ | Hey, dumb question time, where is the button to change my avatar on the nim forum? I've been looking a few times and can't find it! |
| 21:15:45 | def- | Ivan__: hi, here: https://en.gravatar.com/ |
| 21:15:58 | def- | you can log in there with the same email address as on nim forum and change it |
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| 21:17:10 | Ivan__ | ah okey, so gravatar is something the nim forum embeds |
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| 21:17:30 | mat4 | hello |
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| 21:32:03 | Araq | CarlSchou: our mingw is truely "minimal" (some say 'broken') for --app:gui you need to install an official mingw distribution |
| 21:32:43 | CarlSchou | So just install mingw to Nim\dist\mingw ? |
| 21:36:13 | CarlSchou | Which ones should i tick? http://i.imgur.com/4Jrgc5s.png |
| 21:37:32 | CarlSchou | fuck it, ticked everything. |
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| 21:54:49 | Araq | spoken like a true developer :-) |
| 21:55:07 | CarlSchou | If only it worked tho <.< |
| 21:55:18 | CarlSchou | lemme paste the new erro |
| 21:55:20 | CarlSchou | lemme paste the new error |
| 21:56:15 | CarlSchou | http://pastebin.com/raw/fZ2Ch9iQ |
| 21:56:24 | CarlSchou | Installed the mingw to dist/mingw |
| 22:01:16 | def- | CarlSchou: try removing the nimcache directory |
| 22:01:37 | def- | if that doesn't work you might be mixing 32 and 64bit somehow |
| 22:01:52 | CarlSchou | Same error |
| 22:02:33 | CarlSchou | my nim is 64bit atleast |
| 22:02:40 | CarlSchou | let me just check MingW |
| 22:03:17 | CarlSchou | i'll try using 32bit nim |
| 22:04:49 | mat4 | I expect your issues to be somehow MingW related |
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| 22:09:52 | CarlSchou | Reinstalled nim to 32 bit and now everything is working flawlessly |
| 22:09:53 | CarlSchou | weee |
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| 22:12:31 | mat4 | probably you use a 32 bit Windows installation |
| 22:15:34 | CarlSchou | yea most likely |
| 22:15:56 | CarlSchou | sorry, misread your message, im on a 64bit system but i guess the mingw i installed was 32bit |
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| 22:21:15 | mat4 | to my knowledge the official MingW installer is 32 bit only. Anyhow, there exist installers for seperate 64 bit builds |
| 22:22:18 | mat4 | (this lead likely to problems of incompatible binary formats, specially for the Gnu C compiler) |
| 22:22:51 | def- | right, should probably use mingw-w64 |
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| 23:07:35 | PMunch | https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/3933 I see you fixed the null bug in JSON I asked about earlier |
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