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00:00:41FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "You never returned true": Ooooh
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01:29:18FromDiscord<janakali> In reply to @girvo "Can `testament` be asked": yes, with a `--print` or `--verbose` flag
01:29:35FromDiscord<janakali> (edit) "In reply to @girvo "Can `testament` be asked": yes, ... with" added "run it"
01:32:01FromDiscord<janakali> `testament --print run yourtest.nim`
02:01:49FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @fosster "I mean like, do": `binary string` == `byte buffer`
02:44:36FromDiscord<girvo> In reply to @janakali "yes, run it with": Weirdly mine doesn’t show the echo’d output of the bin when I tried that earlier? I’ll try again
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04:33:37NimEventerNew thread by DMisener: Template default parameters question, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10949
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09:28:00FromDiscord<whisperecean> @Phil I msgd moigagoo as well but :D...it seems like I am msging for every little thing
09:28:37FromDiscord<whisperecean> But you have to admit I am running into issues because the libs in Nim are not that heavily used
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09:41:35FromDiscord<nnsee> PMunch, what is this command supposed to do? https://github.com/PMunch/nim-playground/blob/master/docker/Dockerfile#L24
09:42:35FromDiscord<nnsee> I ported this to my own dockerfile without really trying to grok it, but it's giving me an invalid ref spec error and I don't really understand what you're checking out here, since both the _v1 and _v2 csources repos don't really have anything besides master
09:43:33FromDiscord<nnsee> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1203999340872339466/image.png?ex=65d322c4&is=65c0adc4&hm=3ddb942d10df72292165951460e640c41dd0297663c42a80d5a3813f52da3623& https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1203999341220728912/image.png?ex=65d322c4&is=65c0adc4&hm=fd5b363eefcc8d38e87809cad908cc0e1ac1909200155bdec092dbeede48eb66&
09:52:57FromDiscord<nnsee> I just removed that line and both nim 1.0.2 and 2.0.2 seem to build fine, so... /shrug
09:55:53FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Oh Ras, you may be pleased to know that I got the NBT decoder working :)))
09:56:19FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I just need to implement encoding, and then a `to`/`from` macro for packing and unpacking~
09:58:49FromDiscord<nnsee> very nice!
10:03:24FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Yeah! It took a bit and I did steal Yard's code for NBT parsing and tweak it a bit but :P
10:09:21FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @whisperecean "But you have to": For your usecase sure. Though mostly imo for postgres and that I'd just put on norm not being heavily used for postgres.↵I did suggest debby and friends 😛
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10:29:27FromDiscord<whisperecean> But I am now so far with Norm 😄
10:29:45NimEventerNew thread by arnetheduck: `nph` opinionated formatter v0.4, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10950
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12:21:37FromDiscord<norax.2> Is thwre a way to use git from android and push merge or commit?
12:21:50FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> Termux
12:21:57FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> :p
12:22:27FromDiscord<norax.2> K
12:22:34FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Nim and Neovim works on termux.
12:22:47FromDiscord<norax.2> How
12:22:56FromDiscord<norax.2> You need a keyboard
12:23:06FromDiscord<norax.2> I think atleast for neovim
12:23:53FromDiscord<nnsee> termux virtual keyboard works fine
12:24:10FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> I just use Hacker's Keyboard
12:24:17FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> it's got built in arrow keys
12:24:19FromDiscord<demotomohiro> You can use usb or bluetooth keyboards
12:24:48FromDiscord<norax.2> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1204039920377663529/Screenshot_20240205-132409.png?ex=65d3488e&is=65c0d38e&hm=64caa63de556498fbaf4171d066df903e39c59112024bc0e4a483b6f373b919f&
12:24:49FromDiscord<norax.2> What
12:25:24FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @zumi.dxy "it's got built in": termux has native arrow keys
12:25:41FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @norax.2 "": use the -y flag
12:27:04FromDiscord<norax.2> In reply to @nnsee "use the -y flag": Thx
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13:42:13FromDiscord<fabric.input_output> how do I make nimble in the config file clone `github_url` instead of `github_url@any`
13:46:02FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> `github_url#head` should do the trick?↵(@fabric.input_output)
13:46:33FromDiscord<fabric.input_output> In reply to @Robyn "`github_url#head` should do the": yes ok thanks
13:46:45Amun-Raor github-url#id
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14:44:44FromDiscord<jaar23> hi, i'm seeing `generics methods are deprecated` is this safe to use generics method still?
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14:57:49FromDiscord<odexine> if its deprecated assume it is not safe
14:59:03FromDiscord<jaar23> i'm seeing this thread https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/4921 since 5 years back. and generic methods still there
15:01:04FromDiscord<odexine> that does not mean that it would work as expected, since its deprecated most likely no bugs are being fixed
15:01:56FromDiscord<jaar23> right, i'm not using generic method in this case
15:02:22FromDiscord<odexine> it seems like there are no new bugs, but there are no guarantees
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15:09:13FromDiscord<jaar23> tested on some small program, it works really well. only the warning message is quite concerns.
15:10:13FromDiscord<odexine> well up to you, if it works then nice, but if it breaks or gets removed then you prolly wont get support
15:10:28FromDiscord<odexine> rather, youll get support for refactoring away
15:21:55FromDiscord<jaar23> i will wait for the new replacement before using generics method for anything serious
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16:56:52NimEventerNew thread by beckx: Xmlparser: read XML-File changes Attribute-Value, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10953
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19:26:09FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> is there an existing way to do `appendFile(path, content)`, instead of having to `readFile + writeFile`?
19:26:47FromDiscord<leorize> make your own
19:27:08FromDiscord<leorize> open the file with append flag then write into it
19:27:11FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @leorize "make your own": > ... existing way ...
19:27:38FromDiscord<leorize> fmAppend exists
19:28:03FromDiscord<leorize> if you want a convenience proc then it's like 4 lines of code
19:28:17FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> but that's rolling my own append function, and I have found myself in the past writing functions that already exist just because I couldn't find them. so asking if this is the case, or if there is no append function premade on stdlib
19:29:13FromDiscord<nnsee> open the file using fmAppend and write to it
19:29:15FromDiscord<nnsee> done
19:29:17FromDiscord<leorize> if a search in the repo doesn't show anything up then I doubt it exists
19:29:23FromDiscord<odexine> no there is not, if there is it is not popular enough to warrant usage
19:29:38FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> kk
19:29:44FromDiscord<nnsee> probably no proc for it because it's very easy to do manually
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19:42:13FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=SiNwwoZJrSKi
19:43:57FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=rYEzKEojZIuu" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=pmlxnAdlzgtr"
19:50:39FromDiscord<odexine> filename missing, otherwise pretty much yes
19:53:05FromDiscord<privsec> blah blah blah
20:07:09FromDiscord<Marcus> I'm trying to run testament for testing, but when I try to do it inside a nix build checkPhase, I only see `Error: unhandled exception: index 7 not in 0 .. 4 [IndexDefect]` when I try to run `testament all` - any suggestions for tracking down where things go bad? it runs the tests correctly when I run them directly.
20:14:59FromDiscord<privsec> gobbilty goop
20:15:30FromDiscord<privsec> how about you debug your own shit before posting vague
20:15:38FromDiscord<privsec> cries for help
20:15:55FromDiscord<leorize> i'd recommend not using testament for tests
20:16:21FromDiscord<leorize> testament is no where near ready for use outside of the compiler
20:16:33FromDiscord<leorize> you should open an issue with for what you had there
20:16:41FromDiscord<leorize> because a defect is a bug in the program itself
20:19:27FromDiscord<leorize> if you want a more competent test runner, see\: https://github.com/disruptek/balls
20:19:42FromDiscord<privsec> funny ass name
20:19:49FromDiscord<privsec> he must be a fucking fed
20:19:50FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @privsec "cries for help": the fuck is wrong with you?
20:20:00FromDiscord<Marcus> privsec\: You seem like a real standup guy
20:20:05FromDiscord<privsec> I am
20:20:10FromDiscord<privsec> I do standups all the time
20:20:29FromDiscord<Marcus> leorize\: Thanks for the tip. I'll look into balls 🙂
20:20:31FromDiscord<privsec> I've been to several standup conferences
20:21:03FromDiscord<nnsee> you'd think you would've learned to be funny by now
20:21:19FromDiscord<privsec> who's trying to be funny?
20:21:32FromDiscord<privsec> put a little backbone behind what you sperg out
20:21:54FromDiscord<nnsee> are you literally 12?
20:21:59FromDiscord<leorize> you should use matrix, where you can ignore people easily without waiting for mods to kick them
20:22:15FromDiscord<privsec> if I was 12 I hope you would of reported me by now, but no
20:22:23FromDiscord<privsec> I'm 21
20:22:30FromDiscord<nnsee> that's even sadder
20:22:36FromDiscord<privsec> how so?
20:22:41FromDiscord<Marcus> Sorry to hear that
20:22:49FromDiscord<nnsee> because you clearly haven't mentally developed past 12
20:22:50FromDiscord<privsec> I do feel old
20:23:12FromDiscord<privsec> All I said was put some backbone behind what you sperg out
20:23:38FromDiscord<privsec> you're an assumptionist
20:23:45FromDiscord<privsec> you probably hate gays as well
20:23:51FromDiscord<privsec> and white people
20:24:01FromDiscord<privsec> you also probably do not have kids
20:24:22FromDiscord<Marcus> Seems like ignore is the only option
20:24:36FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @privsec "I'm 21": I haven't even begun to read all the messages yet, but I can already tell I need to post a reminder here.↵Heyho cherrnobyte, please keep the #rules in mind
20:24:47FromDiscord<Phil> > Be respectful towards other people. No harassing or personally attacking others.↵↵Specifically this one
20:24:59FromDiscord<privsec> ah right, I got called 12
20:25:02FromDiscord<privsec> by an assumptionist
20:25:12FromDiscord<privsec> who made a vague assumption off of a single sentence
20:25:16FromDiscord<privsec> nice
20:25:23FromDiscord<privsec> but I'm on the wrong
20:25:51FromDiscord<privsec> (edit) "on" => "in"
20:25:53FromDiscord<privsec>
20:25:57FromDiscord<Phil> Yeah I'm not particularly happy with Ras about that either but you're posting non nim-programming related things in the #main channel and began with it, so I'm starting there as well.↵If you want to respond to this, please do so in #offtopic
20:26:15FromDiscord<privsec> ah right, wont happen again then
20:26:46FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/fGYgZIHCtrga
20:26:47FromDiscord<privsec> as long as @nnsee <- this little silly guy stop performing at the circus so often
20:26:55FromDiscord<privsec> because his jokes are making me crack up
20:27:44FromDiscord<leorize> why are you... vendoring endians2
20:27:44FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Did I interrupt something?
20:27:54FromDiscord<privsec> yes
20:27:55FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @privsec "as long as <@961485620075720734>": Given that I dished out a warning roughly 3 minutes ago, this marks my first warning.↵I do not like jibes either.
20:28:19FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Did I interrupt something?": Don't worry and just keep going, this is #offtopic
20:28:19FromDiscord<privsec> alright
20:28:24FromDiscord<privsec> bygones be bygones little bro
20:28:26FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Did I interrupt something?": Don't worry and just keep going, this is ... #offtopicanyway." added "for" | "for#offtopic ... " added "anyway."
20:29:19FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "why are you... vendoring": Because that's encouraged rather than pulling in the entire module?
20:30:14FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> The actual endians2.nim is an actual file ofc, but my code needs endians2 to run currently :p
20:30:41FromDiscord<leorize> this is a bit big to debug
20:30:58FromDiscord<leorize> I guess start with trimming everything down to a single scalar dump/read and see if you're doing that correctly
20:31:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=ZZCIavbtTjaI
20:32:34FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "I guess start with": I can do that I think
20:33:02FromDiscord<privsec> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=qSrAoHLnMkyR
20:33:10FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=PxCkFAsSTJyq
20:33:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Those procedures operate on `openArray[byte]` so just do `array[sizeof(T), byte]`
20:33:16FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @privsec "nobody cares about your": @Phil mature :p
20:33:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Damn @privsec for a second I though someone was going to ask you your opinion
20:33:38FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @privsec "nobody cares about your": I'm escalating this immediately to a 1 week timeout, feel free to come back once you've cooled down.
20:33:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Shame you're just a insignificant troll that thinks he is the don rickles of discord
20:34:20FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Those procedures operate on": Oh that's
20:34:25FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Yeah I didn't think of that :P
20:34:33FromDiscord<nnsee> damn it i missed the message
20:34:42FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @nnsee "damn it i missed": n-word was dropped
20:34:49FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> IRC logs might have it
20:34:51FromDiscord<nnsee> go figure
20:35:02FromDiscord<leorize> btw `string` can be turned into `openArray[byte]` with `toOpenArrayByte`
20:35:27FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Wait it can? Huh, didn't know that!
20:37:08FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Those procedures operate on": Wait I can't do that here, can I? Since I need to read the data from a stream, to `toOpenArrayByte` is what I want
20:39:00FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=QWDXEubQedXI
20:42:21FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "I guess start with": I'm realising this is a tad hard because nearly everything uses a string
20:42:29FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Though testing with raw numbers, seems to be fine
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20:43:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you can do `s.readData(arr.addr, sizeof(T))`
20:44:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though you could also just do `var t = default(T); s.readData(t.addr, sizeof(T); t = fromBE(t)`
20:45:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No need for any heap allocations here
20:45:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ideally there'd have been a `read[T: SomeOrdinal or enum or bool]`
20:46:06FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Though you could also": Couldn't this cause issues with signed types?
20:46:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> How?
20:46:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You're reading to an integer then reversing byte order, it's always a valid integer
20:47:12FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Endians2 disallows that because of this:↵> `## intX - over and underflow protection in nim might easily cause issues -`
20:47:17FromDiscord<leorize> minimize your problematic inputs first then↵(@Robyn [She/Her])
20:47:43FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Anything to do with a string is where issues occur, already narrowed that down
20:48:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Anyway use the array then
20:48:24FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I am so confused :p
20:49:03FromDiscord<leorize> what do you mean a string?
20:49:23FromDiscord<leorize> you mean your string dumper is wrong or what?
20:52:30FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Yeah, the string dumper is wrong, the issue occurs when I'm trying to read input that I've encoded to Modified UTF-8, despite all the tests for Modified UTF-8 passing, and the string parser also works correctly
20:55:02FromDiscord<leorize> then it sounds like your encoder is wrong
20:58:03FromDiscord<leorize> if you encode the problematic string, can you read it back correctly?
20:59:46FromDiscord<leorize> and I don't know why are you casting `seq[byte]` to `string` when you can just write the seq immediately
21:00:12FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> That's the thing, I can, yeah
21:00:26FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Oh yeah that was me being a bit redundant ehe
21:00:47FromDiscord<leorize> right, then dump a single string node with that and read it back
21:00:52FromDiscord<leorize> is it an issue?
21:01:04FromDiscord<leorize> if so, analyze the bytes you write vs the bytes you should write
21:01:50FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "right, then dump a": Alright!
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21:04:28FromDiscord<leorize> also, don't use hex for shifts
21:04:29FromDiscord<leorize> because they doesn't make much sense there
21:05:03FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I only use hex because the impls I was using used hex, but I'll change that later
21:05:27FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Okay so it streams like the `readString` and `writeString` functions work fine... I'll try the actual node now
21:08:24FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Also slightly unrelated but for some reason, the data written with `s.write(cast[string](data))` gives a different result than `s.write(data)` (the latter giving garbage bytes)
21:08:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `s.write` writes the pointer
21:08:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Atleast iirc there is no `write` override
21:09:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah nvm there is a string override
21:09:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But for any other type that's not a value type it'll write pointers which means garbage
21:10:00FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Ah
21:10:22FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> ...hm, reading and writing the actual string node also works fine
21:10:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> In reality it should have something like https://github.com/beef331/traitor/blob/master/traitor/streams.nim#L55-L77
21:11:13FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Okay so maybe the issue is unrelated to strings and is actually related to something a bit weirder
21:13:10FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Hm... Examining the binary data, there does seem to be slightly different outputs
21:15:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's very annoying that `s.write @[10, 20, 30]` works but in reality is just garbage
21:16:52FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Yeah fair :p
21:21:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=ITRlrQXrysWA is just cursed
21:21:54FromDiscord<leorize> top 10 reasons not to use std/streams ig
21:22:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Time to use traitor/streams and cry about there not being socket streams 😄
21:22:53FromDiscord<leorize> streams shouldn't even think about serialization
21:24:13FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "top 10 reasons not": I mean, I did write my own buffer type for the exact reason of disliking std/streams
21:24:39FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I wonder if rewriting this using my own buffer type would force me to think a bit more and solve this problem... Somehow
21:26:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You think it should just allow you to pop primitives off?
21:26:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Whenever Can.l decides to
21:26:11FromDiscord<adrian> does anybody know when owlkettle finally releases it's new version?
21:26:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Until then for reproducible builds you can pin to the commit
21:26:37FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Whenever Can.l decides to": Lol this was above adrian's message
21:27:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It'd be nice if they just tagged a release with every few commits, but alas
21:27:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Time for everyone to migrate to matrix
21:28:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Solves 99.99% of our problems
21:28:32FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I think I might implement my custom buffer type instead of relying on streams, it's probably unrelated but yeaaah idk
21:28:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Just go use traitor 😛
21:29:40FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Naaah :P
21:29:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Why not?
21:30:47FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I'm just a complicated persn :P
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22:27:31FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @adrian "does anybody know when": From what I'm aware can.l is just massively busy atm
22:27:45FromDiscord<Phil> No clue when that'll end
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22:59:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Still feel like a git tag either major or minor is in order 😄
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