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00:49:11shodan45dom96: I got aporia to stop complaining about not finding nim, so I turned suggestions back on... but it never finds anything to suggest
00:49:30dom96shodan45: suggest is broken currently
00:49:34shodan45ah ok
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01:34:41perturbationI'm writing a wrapper for LevelDB using the C API - I could try wrapping C++ directly (might be better for performance), but not really sure how to do that/if it's worth it
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01:36:16flaviuHaskell uses term rewriting macros ("rewrite rules") extensively in libraries to perform deforestation.
01:36:48flaviuSounds like an interesting direction for Nim, if someone wants to try implementing it.
01:37:46perturbationWrapping C++ directly would (for LevelDB) avoid an extra memory allocation/copy when looking up a value
01:38:50flaviuSomething important here is for there to be some way to mark and check for "effective purity". The purity that Haskell provides is undesirable and over-restrictive, certain forms of innocuous impurity are harmless.
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01:52:36akiradeveloperinstead of Option type, I tried proc f(x: int|void) but not compiled
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01:54:52akiradeveloperf(x: int|nil) also failed though nil.type.name is nil
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02:04:43EXetoCyou shouldn't instantiate void
02:05:00EXetoCI've tried things like int|typedesc[void] which seems more appropriate, but it doesn't work either
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02:06:25EXetoCyou can't instantiate rather, but that's not the problem anyway. I suppose you could have a dummy object for this
02:06:51akiradeveloperwhat is a dummy object?
02:07:00akiradeveloperdo you mean null object?
02:07:20EXetoCtypedesc[None] maybe and then have a 'none' constant
02:07:43EXetoCno, just None (no typedesc)
02:09:17akiradeveloperI don't get it.
02:09:29EXetoC.eval
02:09:35MimbusEXetoC: <no output>
02:09:44EXetoCwill give you an example
02:10:07akiradeveloper.eval proc g(x:int|typedesc[None]) = discard
02:10:10Mimbusakiradeveloper: eval.nim(3, 22) Error: undeclared identifier: 'None'
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02:11:22akiradeveloperI want to do the same thing like Option[T] type without using it
02:11:54akiradeveloperMy expectation was int|void does this
02:12:35akiradeveloper.eval proc g(x:int|void) = discard
02:12:39Mimbusakiradeveloper: <no output>
02:13:08akiradeveloper.eval g(10)
02:13:11Mimbusakiradeveloper: eval.nim(3, 0) Error: undeclared identifier: 'g'
02:13:15EXetoCyour solution would only be a compile-time construct though, unlike an Option type. different use cases
02:13:36EXetoCfor experimentation, do it in #nim-offtopic
02:13:40flaviuakiradeveloper: stuff doesn't persist between sessions btw
02:14:15akiradeveloperyes
02:14:50EXetoCmore importantly, one deals with values and the other with types
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02:21:43EXetoC.eval type None = object; let none = None(); proc foo(x: int|None): string =; when x is int:; result = "it's an int!"; else:; result = "got nothing"; echo foo(1), " ... ", foo(none)
02:21:46MimbusEXetoC: it's an int! ... got nothing
02:22:04EXetoCit's really too long for a one-liner, but there you have it
02:22:30EXetoCbut it's different from an Option type. have you seen this? https://github.com/fowlmouth/nimlibs/blob/master/fowltek/maybe_t.nim
02:22:31akiradeveloperIn creating a module to share is it recommended to put all code in a single nim file?
02:23:05flaviuakiradeveloper: If you like things that way, sure.'
02:23:36flaviuthink about your api and what would make the most sense. Is something logically separate? Put it in it's own module.
02:23:55flaviuDoes it belong with the rest of the stuff? Put it with the rest of the stuff.
02:27:18akiradeveloperFor exmaple, I have a directory mylib/ and it has some submodules, is it possible to share this library by mylib.nimble?
02:28:37akiradeveloperEXetoC: great
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02:35:09akiradeveloperif I can to this without defining None type, that would be greater
02:35:29perturbationwhoa - since when did Nim get type classes?
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02:40:19EXetoCakiradeveloper: well that other solution doesn't work
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02:41:52akiradeveloperIf something like None type (and it's instance none) is in the stdlib..
02:42:09EXetoCyou could have a dummy enum instead "type None = enum\n none"
02:42:47EXetoCno. it would be temporary solution. the typedesc approach is nicer, but doesn't work either
02:43:23akiradeveloperDo you mean int|typedesc[void]?
02:44:44EXetoCyep
02:46:48akiradeveloperEXetoC: https://gist.github.com/akiradeveloper/2dc7f61dd794d08e6685 is this what you mean? it works
02:47:07EXetoCexcept it does work
02:47:09EXetoC.eval proc foo(x: int|typedesc[void]) = discard; foo(void)
02:47:12MimbusEXetoC: <no output>
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02:48:13EXetoCuh yeah. did it not work at some point? perhaps I only tried int|void; but anyway, it's good that it works
02:50:39akiradeveloper.eval let x = if false: 10 else: void
02:50:42Mimbusakiradeveloper: eval.nim(3, 27) Error: type mismatch: got (typedesc[void]) but expected 'int literal(10)'
02:51:25akiradeveloperx should be int|typedesc[void] but the compiler doesn't think so
02:52:09EXetoCthat would be a generic instantiation at run time, which is not possible
02:53:40EXetoC.eval const x = when false: 10 else: void
02:53:45MimbusEXetoC: <no output>
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07:54:53akiradeveloperthe output of nim-doc doesn't include what is generated by template or macro
07:54:56akiradeveloperI am sad
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08:40:31reactormonkakiradeveloper, pretty sure that's reported somewhere
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13:38:17matkukiAraq: I had a cyclic dependancy error, but the compiler acts as if a module is missing. Is there a possibility of adding an explicit error for that?
13:39:42matkukiOh, he's not here.
13:41:13matkukiAnyone tried compiling the devel source? On windows I get a type mismatch error with "koch boot -d:release" in rstgen.nim.
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13:50:29def-matkuki: yesterday it worked on linux
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13:51:56matkukidef-: ..\nim-devel\lib\packages\docutils\rstgen.nim(606, 6) Error: type mismatch: got (seq[string], proc (T, T): int)
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13:51:58matkuki but expected one of: ...
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14:02:45def-matkuki: That's caused by too old csources. Only breaks bootstrapping on Windows. Really should be fixed
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14:03:48matkukidef-: Ok, thanks.
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14:53:45matkukiAraq: You there?
14:53:56Araqhi
14:54:02matkukihi
14:54:08matkukiI had a cyclic dependancy error, but the compiler acts as if a module is missing. Is there a possibility of adding an explicit error for that?
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14:55:02Araqsure
14:55:12BlaXpirityou know, matkuki, even Python doesn't have anything special for cyclic dependencies
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14:55:52matkukiBlaXpirit: I know, that's why I'm asking.
14:55:58matkukiAraq: Great!
14:58:58matkukiAraq: Should I add it as a feature issue on github?
14:59:18Araqsure
14:59:57matkukiWill do, thanks.
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16:32:01sillestaanyone know of any resources for writing modular code? (eg. a renderer which doesn't depend on game specific data)
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17:58:24dumdumsillesta: http://nim-lang.org/manual.html#modules, but the question is not really nim specific
17:59:13sillestayeah, probably wrong channel. don't know anywhere else i could ask it though..
17:59:50shodan45##programming IIRC exists
18:00:16shodan45yep, has lots of people too
18:00:27shodan45sillesta: ^
18:00:36sillestajoined, thanks :)
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18:54:40ekarlsodom96: do you have a semi thought on how you would do it ?
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19:11:50dom96ekarlso: do what?
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19:22:31ekarlsodom96: do nimble to support old and new without duplicating code too much
19:23:11dom96ekarlso: I explained this already have I not?
19:25:21dom96Abstract duplicate things out into functions if you need to.
19:26:28ekarlsodom96: meh, is it bad using the same Pacakge type though for both things ?
19:27:04dom96should be ok, document the fields well though please
19:27:32ekarlsosure ok
19:28:09ekarlsodom96: what about supporting multiple "sources" for packages ?
19:28:17ekarlsoie diff packages.json and registries at the same time
19:29:04dom96that will come later
19:29:35ekarlsook :p
19:34:51Araqhrm this 'rope' business in the codegen qualifies as the worst idea ever
19:35:17Araqinstead of ASTs we have a tree structure here that is rather meaningless
19:36:32Araqwant to to take away the * from T*? you better convert the rope to a string, take it away, and convert it back to a rope ...
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19:40:49Mat4hello
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19:44:27Araqhi Mat4
19:44:43Mat4hi Araq
19:47:35Mat4I'm start working on native-code integeration for Nim
19:47:47Mat4^integration
19:47:58Araqdid you get dom96's stuff?
19:48:12Mat4not yet, have he published his code ?
19:48:44Mat4(it would be sad duplicating effort in my opinion)
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20:16:07Mat4it doesn't seem so
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20:22:35Mat4Araq: for initializing an array all elements need to be declared. How about initializing only declared elements and implicitly zero the rest ?
20:23:17AraqMat4: that's just a macro away
20:23:53Araqand in general, I like the additional checking that the array sizes are equal
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20:28:29shodan45so I'm finally getting around to actually USING nim... and I just had my first "aha!" moment :D
20:29:01Mat4I hope it is a positive one
20:29:13shodan45Mat4: oh it was :)
20:31:03shodan45oh btw, to anyone writing docs for nim: when talking about ref & ptr, don't forget to mention the "addr" proc
20:31:13shodan45took me a while to find it
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20:51:49shodan45woohoo! my screenshot app works :)
20:59:29Mat4congratulation
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21:48:51dom96Mat4: https://github.com/Araq/Nim/tree/asmgen
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21:51:11Mat4thanks
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22:01:25Mat4dom96: generating assembler output is straight forward, I think you just need to compile some test programs and take a look at the listings
22:02:50Mat4(be aware that the register assigment is not static of course)
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22:03:45dom96I know, and I was doing that already.
22:04:54Mat4so good work
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22:09:16dom96thanks :)
22:09:22dom96Mat4: how far along is your code gen?
22:10:39Mat4as written it works. I'm using it at current as AOT compiler for embedded programming
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22:18:07Mat4I need writing a simple parser for embedding IL code (just as your additions insert assembler statements)
22:18:39Araqreally? why?
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22:23:16Mat4I have two requests for using the generator as Fortran and TCL (!) environment. Implementing an IL parser ease work for this
22:24:46Araqer ... ok.
22:25:08Araqinteresting that TCl is still around
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22:25:49shevyit is the COBOL of the GUIs
22:26:24dtscodecobol on cogs is a thing
22:26:58Araqhey shevy wb
22:27:10shevyo/
22:27:27Mat4TCL found use as scripting language for two comercially 3D modelling systems, mostly used for deposit exploration
22:29:11Mat4(have I noticed that Cobol is still in use today?)
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22:32:29Araqyeah yeah yeah, everybody uses cobol everywhere, we know
22:33:41Mat4*lol*
22:34:13Mat4Finanzbuchhaltung *r䵳per*
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23:13:20Mat4ciao
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