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02:29:36FromDiscord<steamhacker_1837> please recommend me some nim native cross-platform GUI Library or Game library
02:58:19FromDiscord<albassort> In reply to @steamhacker_1837 "please recommend me some": vulkan
03:00:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> My framework is crossplatform windows/linux and has GUI but it's undocumented so not usable by anyone but the one typing this message
03:33:18FromDiscord<albassort> beef have you considered documenting it
03:33:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No too busy using it
03:33:59FromDiscord<albassort> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=iEZKbCkS
03:34:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Shit really dawg
03:34:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This entire time I was writing websites with a needle and a steady hand
03:35:10FromDiscord<albassort> i was writing the docs to my hhd bit by bit with a laser before i figured this out
03:41:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But really documenting my framework involves actually wanting to support other using it, which is just more work
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06:17:15FromDiscord<jefferson099296> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/IDPMHjuq
06:55:36FromDiscord<albassort> how can i make a macro which takes in a type at compile time and instantiates it using new T so i can test it
06:58:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What exactly are you after?
06:58:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> cause you can just have a proc take a typedesc and do `new T`
06:59:02FromDiscord<albassort> nah it must be a pragma!
06:59:42FromDiscord<albassort> well doesn't must be but i think thats the best way
06:59:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> so then make the macro do `newCall("new", T)`
07:00:22FromDiscord<albassort> ... i dont know what this means
07:02:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `macro doThing(T: typedesc): untyped = newCall("new", T)`
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07:26:38FromDiscord<blashyrk> In reply to @albassort "nah it must be": You can't automatically invoke pragmas as macros on types. If you set a custom pragma on a type definition, you can only check its presence by using a macro that operates on said type
07:27:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can make type section macros
07:37:25FromDiscord<albassort> >custom pragma on a type definition↵↵which is the point
07:38:56FromDiscord<albassort> i wanna automate my checks that makes sure the names of the object's attributes correlate with the string names of an enum
07:39:00FromDiscord<albassort> (edit) "an" => "a given"
07:40:03FromDiscord<blashyrk> In reply to @Elegantbeef "You can make type": You mean pragmas that automatically invoke a macro for the whole type section? TIL
07:40:44FromDiscord<blashyrk> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/RBaIOwFX
07:44:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No if I meant that I wouldn't have mentioned it
07:44:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `type Bleh {.myMacro.} = object` invokes `macro myMacro(typedecl: untyped)`
07:48:46FromDiscord<blashyrk> Oh nice, didn't know that
07:49:45FromDiscord<blashyrk> (edit) "that" => "that↵↵Edit: Ah I tried it before but it doesn't work when the macro arg is `typed` and a very bad error message appears instead `invalid expression: MyType {..} = object`, switching to `untyped` it just works huh"
07:51:17FromDiscord<blashyrk> Which makes sense but the error message is still super terrible
08:05:40FromDiscord<albassort> In reply to @Elegantbeef "`type Bleh {.myMacro.} =": yes
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11:04:15FromDiscord<spotlightkid> Thanks!↵(<@709044657232936960_ehmry=5b=49=52=43=5d>)
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14:43:41FromDiscord<aintea> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=FIPJBWKo
14:44:37FromDiscord<leorize> you can't
14:44:58FromDiscord<leorize> you need to pick better operators if you want priority to be different
14:45:36FromDiscord<leorize> if priority is inconsistent parsing the language would have been impossible
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14:47:06FromDiscord<heysokam> In reply to @aintea "Is there absolutely no": You can create a custom operator using characters that provide different priority↵but not change the existing priorities for specific characters
14:48:23FromDiscord<heysokam> for that example, make the operator `.@` or anything else with similar priority to `.` operators
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14:51:53FromDiscord<aintea> but isn't the dot operator the top ?
14:52:02FromDiscord<aintea> This is from the docs https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1402665527637184623/nl74VRS.png?ex=6894bd92&is=68936c12&hm=f72336369a764d206b0b30b4996b8f826421a0690ace3f1d9acc0c6dedfba14c&
14:52:26FromDiscord<aintea> yet `args%check.solved_nonogram` doesn't work but `(args%check).solved_nonogram` does
14:53:58FromDiscord<aintea> oh I see, it's parsed as `(% (args) (check.solved_nonogram)` and not `(. (args) (% (check) (solved_nonogram))`
14:54:10FromDiscord<aintea> (edit) "(check.solved_nonogram)`" => "(check.solved_nonogram))`" | "(solved_nonogram))`" => "(solved_nonogram)))`"
14:54:41FromDiscord<leorize> it's stronger, that's why it's bound first
14:54:48FromDiscord<aintea> (edit) removed "(args)" | "(solved_nonogram)))`" => "(solved_nonogram)) (args))`"
14:55:06FromDiscord<aintea> yes but it seems it's taking everything up until a new space I guess
14:55:41FromDiscord<leorize> also the dot operator in that table applies only to `..`
14:56:08FromDiscord<leorize> the singular `.` is not an operator but one of the basic syntax elements
14:56:12FromDiscord<leorize> it's stronger than pretty much everything
14:56:14FromDiscord<aintea> oooh I see
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14:56:21FromDiscord<aintea> that's why
14:56:33FromDiscord<aintea> what operator do you recommend as a field accessor then
14:58:10FromDiscord<leorize> I have no idea what you are trying to do to begin with
14:58:21FromDiscord<aintea> parsing cli arguments
14:58:36FromDiscord<aintea> a prettier and more complete `parseopt` if you will
14:59:15FromDiscord<aintea> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=VoidGQEG
14:59:41FromDiscord<leorize> right, but what are you trying to express with your operators
15:00:20FromDiscord<aintea> `@` and `%` access a Command (or a subcommand which is a Command in a Command), and `.` for Flags and UnnamedArguments
15:00:34FromDiscord<aintea> so basically like field accessors since they contain values
15:01:00FromDiscord<leorize> I'll also shill nimskull here\: https://nim-works.github.io/nimskull/cmdline.html 😛
15:01:42FromDiscord<aintea> looks cool but can I make easily a git remake ?
15:01:50FromDiscord<heysokam> In reply to @leorize "it's stronger than pretty": oh I didn't know
15:02:01FromDiscord<aintea> there are lots of subcommands like `git pull this url` or `git pull that <url>`
15:02:53FromDiscord<aintea> There is a lot of ways to make flags CLI apps but not so many for commands based (like `todo-app add taskname task-desc`)
15:03:53FromDiscord<leorize> I just sent you one \:p
15:04:06FromDiscord<leorize> anyways, I'm not sure why you can't just `.` all the way
15:04:25FromDiscord<aintea> In reply to @leorize "I just sent you": oh my bad
15:04:37FromDiscord<aintea> didn't go all the way through
15:05:10FromDiscord<aintea> In reply to @leorize "anyways, I'm not sure": because I also have 2 other operators, `?` to check if the command/flag/unnamed argument was given, and `!` to retrieve the value
15:05:39FromDiscord<aintea> wait
15:05:44FromDiscord<aintea> I'm stupid
15:05:47FromDiscord<aintea> that would work thanks
15:06:10FromDiscord<aintea> WAIT IT'S EVEN IN MY TODO LIST FOR THE PROJECT
15:06:17FromDiscord<aintea> thanks
15:07:02FromDiscord<leorize> in fact one of that library test includes a [git-like interface](https://github.com/nim-works/nimskull/blob/ec117c4ff7f2d73ce095fd9848b9acce12216839/tests/stdlib/experimental/tcmdline.nim#L187)↵(@aintea)
15:07:18FromDiscord<heysokam> gotta love those "I need to figure it out" moments, where you realize past yourself already figured it out for you and you forgot 😄
15:07:59FromDiscord<aintea> In reply to @heysokam "gotta love those "I": completely agree
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19:16:02FromDiscord<ollicron_53732> The war between XLibre and Wayland
19:16:08FromDiscord<ollicron_53732> oooof very hot very hot
19:16:51FromDiscord<ollicron_53732> I honestly don't know who to side more with. I actually like wayland a lot I haven't had much problems with it. But at the same time I like XLibre and how it feels
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19:21:39FromDiscord<leorize> that's a discussion for the offtopic channel
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21:53:02FromDiscord<benjamin_45476> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/rfyHYRmV
21:55:05FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> could a `concept` maybe work
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21:55:26FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> I wouldn't be the best to take advice from tho cause im not super experienced in nim
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21:56:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The first question would be why OOP over unions
21:56:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> or rather object variants
21:57:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The second thing is instead of using a method use a pointer proc that way you can generate one when you call a defined constructor for your type
22:00:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=dwxfGCFo
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22:01:21FromDiscord<benjamin_45476> Thank you—I don't believe I need OOP, just probably gravitated toward it naturally, but I will look into both of these ideas
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