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00:19:39storm_surgei dunno how to install csfml
00:20:13Heartmenderhttp://ddg.gg will help
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00:26:03ephjastorm_surge: http://www.sfml-dev.org/download/csfml/ download the archive for your platform and put the dll files in CSFML/bin in the directory that you're running the executable from
00:26:17storm_surgesmh
00:26:40storm_surgeif it was that easy i wouldent have been selling code for a gentoo box to compile sfml
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00:26:47storm_surgeor atleast thats what my idioit friend said
00:26:48storm_surgethanks
00:26:50girvohey all
00:27:03ephjaI thought you were on windows
00:28:30Araqhey girvo
00:28:31ephjaI suppose you would have to build it then. the gentoo package appears to be outdated
00:30:15storm_surgeno
00:30:17storm_surgea gentoo server
00:30:21storm_surgeto use cmake
00:30:24storm_surgehes an idit
00:31:54girvoquick q; linking a nim app against an OSX .framework -- whats the "normal" way of doing so?
00:31:58girvo(if there is one!)
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00:42:56ephjagirvo: like this? https://github.com/nim-lang/opengl/blob/master/src/opengl.nim#L53
00:43:15ephjaand then you have the dll paths above
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01:03:03RobNewbi don't believe it, some how i have managed to produce such a bug in my code that when i try to read it in c# the values of the struct members ... the one that suppose to be a pointer(the buffer) reads like it's a uint32,
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01:04:05RobNewband the uint32 reads like pointer address and i can't see where they got crossed as if i have assigned a value of pointer to the int and the int value to the buffer
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01:13:33ephjaRobNewb: I don't know if it's relevant, but keep in mind that nim's int has the same size as that of a pointer
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01:22:27RobNewbit's crazy , i try to fall-back to the point that something was working (P
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02:48:53desophoshow do i initialize an array indexed by an enum?
02:49:19desophosi know how to declare its type, but can't figure out how to initialize it explicitly
02:49:41desophosi've just been declaring it as a var and setting its indices separately
02:55:09ephjausing the usual syntax
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02:55:21ephjamake sure that the size matches
02:56:46ephjabut the error message is pretty clear in that regard
02:59:11ephjadesophos: this "var x: array[eA..eB, int] = [1, 2]" for example works, where the range contains exactly eA and eB
02:59:46desophosephja, oh
03:00:21desophosi was thinking i would have to specify the indices somehow but now i realize that since enums are ordinal, i don't have to :p
03:01:54ephjadesophos: you can if you want to ([eA: 1, eB: 2])
03:02:06desophosoh... i thought i tried that
03:02:07ephjait works for int indices too apparently
03:02:39desophosmaybe i tried to specify just one index
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03:13:58hvzeJeez.
03:14:08hvzeIs there any way to create a new object without naming the parameters?
03:14:25hvzeI dont care if there isnt a way just making sure im not doing it because of a silly reason
03:20:45girvoephja: Perfect, thanks!
03:21:11girvoephja: Now to work out how to run that pragma with the sdl2 nim library :D
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05:08:19girvoOkay, so I'm trying to link SDL2.framework into my nim example app so I can bundle it as an OSX "Example.app" bundle
05:08:55girvoProblem is, it seems the sdl2 nim library forces it to try and use the dynlib, and my passC and passL pragmas are ignored?
05:08:58girvohttp://hastebin.com/uzolohiraz.nim
05:09:43girvoThe top of my "example.nim" file is as such: http://hastebin.com/yizuledoti.nim
05:10:13girvoAnd I'm attempting to follow this article (for C/SDL2) to bundle the app; http://joseph-long.com/writing/app-bundles-with-a-makefile/
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05:17:17girvoBasically, it looks like the SDL2 library loads the dynlib and my framework pragma basically gets ignored. Any ideas on how to fix that anyone?
05:18:11RobNewbdoes anyone have any experience with FFI where memory switches placeholders between members a phenomenon...
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05:19:38RobNewblayout problem
05:21:53RobNewbinstead of id the length is assigned instead of buffer id ...etc'
05:27:50girvoI answered my own question; I'm an idiot lol, I'd wrapped in it "when defined(ios)" which is wrong!
05:28:02girvoNow I've got an unused symbol error
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05:43:26girvoHere's my error: http://hastebin.com/otekilepap.txt
05:43:32girvoInterestingly, the other symbols it now resolves
05:46:43girvoThats using --define:SDL_Static so I can basically turn off the regular linking pragmas in the library, and defining them myself
05:46:48girvoJust can't seem to get the incantation right...
05:52:03girvoHah!
05:52:03girvoGot it!
05:52:18girvoThe test code I was using is out of date, so the symbols didn't actually exist :D
05:52:34girvoIt now works, I have a packaged OS X .app file that bundles SDL2 and runs!
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06:17:23VarriountHello gour
06:17:39gourhiya Varriount
06:17:56gourVarriount: you're still behind ST plugin for NIm?
06:18:17Varriountgour: Yes, right now I'm trying to get the Nimsuggest support working.
06:18:41VarriountAlthough, it's likely that particular feature will be ST3 only.
06:19:18gourwhat about ST itself? do you believe it's still alive?
06:19:37gouri don't own ST license, so ST3 is OK :-)
06:19:39VarriountOh most definitely. ST3 is in active development.
06:20:15gourwhy there is no news about it? many people are pissed because of that and leaving/deciding to use Atom
06:20:30gourwhat is the date of last dev build?
06:21:11VarriountSeems to be last July.
06:21:39VarriountIt's still my go-to editor for most things, although I haven't tried Atom yet.
06:21:47gourboth Atom and ST are great editors, have very good support for all my needs, but Atom is in rapid development. otoh, i'd prefer using 'real' app instead of browser
06:22:13Varriountgour: Well at this point, even if I went with Atom, someone still has to be around to support ST2/3
06:22:49RobNewbgood morning varriount you were trying to help last night or the one b4 i had some issues with interop nim, u are lucky not to be involved until now
06:22:58gourVarriount: you're not the only contributor to the plugin?
06:23:30Varriountgour: True, however I'm a major developer to it.
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06:24:40gourVarriount: well, i might try 'evaluation' version and see how both of them are working while waiting a bit whether ST3 is going to be released...in any case, i've decided not to go much deeper in my usage of vim
06:28:19gourVarriount: in any case, i'd like to hear your opinion about Atom as well
06:34:57girvoAtom is a good editor, but it's ecosystem and APIs are still far less stable than ST
06:35:24VarriountThough, there are parts of the ST text api that are somewhat lacking, even in version 3.
06:35:48VarriountFor example, there's no easy way to intercept changes made to a view.
06:36:14VarriountYou have to diff the entire file on each keypress, or use some complication logic.
06:36:31gourST uses python for plugins, right?
06:36:37VarriountYes.
06:39:14girvoQuestion: How can I, if a constant is defined, stop compilation?
06:39:49Varriountgirvo: Use when defined() and an error pragma?
06:39:50girvoSpecifically, I'm yet to implement the Windows and Linux linking pragmas for bundling up my app, and want to basically echo out "Can't compile!" and stop compilation
06:39:58girvoerror pragma: that's it, perfect
06:40:41girvo"{.fatal:}" -- perfect
06:41:09gourgirvo: that's true, but it seems that ST is still mostly one-man show while Atom, being, open-source, is rapidly evolving
06:41:51girvogour: Yeah, though it's rapid evolution has caused dramas ;) I'm waiting til its more stable until I move to it
06:41:54girvoFor now, Vim works :D
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06:47:32Varriountgirvo: You know ST has a Vim mode, right?
06:48:08*gour is also wondering about Atom's vim-mode
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06:52:42girvoVarriount: gour: Those Vim modes are horrible emulations of the real thing ;)
06:52:52girvohttps://github.com/girvo/nim-sdl2-osx-app
06:55:46gourVarriount: there is free ST plugin for remote access instead of sftp one?
06:59:31gourgirvo: so, you recommend to stay with editor's "native mode"
07:05:43gouryesterday i did source install of nim from the git repo and attempt to install nimble gives: undeclared identifier: 'install_nimble'
07:13:58girvogour: I do, with one exception: Komodo Edit/IDE's Vi emulation mode is literally perfect
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07:33:58girvoOkay I'm out, catch you all later. I'm looking forward to building OS X games in Nim now that I've solved the packaging issue :D
07:34:04girvoOSX SDL games*
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07:37:07gournim c -r src/nimble install
07:37:30gourworked to install nimble, but 'nim e install_nimble.nims' fails
07:37:35gourany idea?
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09:25:17*girvo waves
09:39:58rinukkusuhi!
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10:50:51mrtestyHow are you
10:51:03mrtestyIs this a good programming language for a complete beginnenr/
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10:52:24gouri'd say it is since it's very clean & elegant and you're not forced to use advanced features
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10:55:57mrtestygour, ok :)) where should i start?
10:56:19gourmrtesty: maybe with http://nim-lang.org/docs/tut1.html
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10:59:37mrtestygour, is this lang not even stable right now?
11:03:39gourmrtesty: i'd say it's very stable and heading towards 1.0 soon
11:04:07gourmrtesty: otoh, if you find some problem, dev(s) are quick to fix it
11:05:45mrtestygour, ok
11:05:51mrtestyThanks
11:05:52mrtestybye
11:05:54mrtestylaters
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11:37:07matkukiA little help please.
11:37:08matkukiI have a global ref object that needs some updating and it would be great if it could be done in a separate thread.
11:37:10matkukiCompiling the updating proc without modification gives the "proc is not GC-safe ..." error. Any suggestions?
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11:55:59matkukidef~: got a second?
11:56:32matkukisorry, def-
12:05:27matkukibbl
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12:49:26nivhi! some links on the official documentation 404, is this a known issue?
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13:25:01elroodprobably not. the docs in general could use a little more testing and attention. being autogenerated they're pretty much assumed to just work
13:25:40nivah, alright. for example, the nativesockets api page 404s
13:34:07elroodif you could report the issue on github that'd be great, even better with an attached pull request in case you feel up to that. it might get lost if only mentioned here on irc
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14:27:23RobNewbhi all, i have a serius bug interoping with nim, any of you has an expreience with FFI ing nim ?
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14:39:48yglukhovRobNewb, shoot
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14:52:17RobNewbthere's an allignment issue i guess
14:53:01RobNewbinterop with an array of struct with blittable members
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14:53:52RobNewbC# - struct test{ int a; int b ;}
14:54:03RobNewbsame in nim
14:54:14RobNewbtype
14:54:24RobNewb a: int
14:54:28RobNewb b: int
14:54:45*gour hints to use some pastebin
14:55:29RobNewbsorry ..
14:55:34RobNewbtype
14:55:47RobNewb exported = object
14:55:50gourit's easier for both sides :-)
14:56:00RobNewb a: int
14:56:08RobNewb b: int
14:56:39RobNewbit's that simple
14:57:14RobNewband retunred array of the struct is not alligned
14:58:08RobNewbwhen in a for loop i try access a, i get a, b, a, b...
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15:01:41ephjaas I said before, nim's int might be either 32 or 64 bits. are you on a 64-bit platform?
15:02:30ephjaor maybe some other size in a distant future
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15:05:46RobNewbyep
15:06:20ephjathen it's going to be twice as big as the C# struct
15:06:23RobNewb64bit win7, x64 nim compiler x64 dll
15:06:34ephjaI don't think alignment is relevant
15:07:28ephjasince the sizes are evenly divisible by the word size
15:08:22RobNewbit just looks like that i have no clue as to sizes i don't know about allignmets i don't need to allign when interoping with c so i don't know anything about allignements
15:09:52RobNewbi guessed is to do with allignmet cause of that unorderd layout , accessing member #1 gives #2 etc'
15:11:51RobNewbok in short blittable (int) is size 2x of int in c# ?
15:12:56RobNewbdo i need to specify that i use int32 and same in nim matching int32 or no matter the type int vs int still nim int is x2 size ?
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15:14:45ephjaint32 in nim and int in C# is always 32 bit. int in nim is either 32 bit or 64 bit depending on the platform, so you can't use int in nim in this case
15:15:45RobNewbok i gona try quickly uint32 in both, think is the right approach to test that issue ?
15:15:46ephjapass a struct instance to sizeof and print that value if you're unsure
15:16:08ephjaor the type directly, except it doesn't work in nim
15:16:17RobNewbok thanks dint think of that catch
15:17:54ephjakeep it as an int in C# then. see this https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/5kzh1b5w.aspx
15:20:02ephjahttp://manual.nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#types-pre-defined-integer-types
15:20:25ephjanim diverges from the C convention, so it can be confusing
15:23:59RobNewb0k that was my mistake not specifying int32 vs my c# int , 90% of a problem solved !
15:25:05RobNewbthough now element #0 gives me size of the array same thing element #1
15:28:05RobNewbthanks for giving me the size of my array(: though is not referd to in any variable nor tried to access that info
15:28:32Araqfor seqs addr(s) is not the same as addr(s[0])
15:28:38Araqsame for strings
15:28:57Araqa conversion from s to cstring strips away the length+capacity header
15:30:53RobNewbok i had so many problems all together so i have stripped it down to have only ints no string to simplify things , now i know for instace that element[0] in seq is not same as array[0]
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15:33:12RobNewbheaders issue.. i didn't know of. so internaly in nim it's being magicly ignored or something , and when i interop i need to skip first 2 elements
15:33:41Araqyou need to do the interop properly
15:33:53Araqand let Nim do theses offset calculations
15:34:11AraqI am trying for 3 days now to tell you how to do that
15:36:27RobNewbi know i know , i was stubern to use cstring i have left my own ideas to follow what's right but still had some issues. so as a start
15:36:37RobNewb"let Nim do theses offset calculations"
15:37:00RobNewbapplies to the int members issue aswell ?
15:37:30Araqyes!
15:39:00RobNewbthen it means the first sentence says i am not doing it properly and that is why i get issue of headers being in [0] and [1]
15:40:59Araqyes
15:42:50RobNewbwell now that i got the type issue out of the equasion , i don't se what is not properly done sorry araq . all is quite strate forword
15:43:01RobNewbas i interop with c
16:02:04RobNewbhttp://pastebin.com/XF3FeyQD
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16:12:49RobNewball i need to do is ignore 0,1 and i am in sinc but you say if i need to code it that way it meens it's wrong codind done, which i agree but dont se where i code wrong thats why i pasted it
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16:19:03RobNewbif i put CurrentPack += 2; before starting the loop it fits . kind'a hack i just don't see what i need to do else so it won't be needed
16:22:49RobNewbwe should add a directive to the compilation , if RobInteropFromC# seq[0].remove, seq[1].remove
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16:32:35RobNewbif i do nothing wrong in my code then it's an "issue" that should be addresed but there's might be more priority to other stuff than C# on the schedual
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20:01:11RobNewbif anyone has windows os & C# please try that simplest implementatio -> http://pastebin.com/M3Jhppzj
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20:53:09matkukiWhat is the workaround for manipulating a ref object in a non-main thread?
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20:59:24matkukidom96: A little help please
21:01:51dom96sec
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21:02:26dom96matkuki: You have to allocShared (currently no support for shared refs)
21:02:32dom96use channels
21:02:42dom96and I think that's all you can do
21:02:53matkukithanks, let me try ...
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21:03:37dom96what do you need this for?
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21:04:34matkukiinitializing some image resources from huge sprite sheets
21:05:12matkukitakes some time and blocks, so while loading I want to show a waiting screen
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21:07:04dom96ahh, might have to use allocShared then for performance.
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21:11:17matkukidom96: looking at the allocShared docs, any examples?
21:13:24matkukisharedPointer: pointer = allocShared(sizeof(MyType)) ?
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21:55:25matkukidom96 ?
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22:11:02matkukiDo threads even works on windows and mingw gcc ?
22:11:52matkukiI'm getting: error: '__ATOMIC_RELAXED' undeclared (first use in this function)
22:12:04Varriount_matkuki: What version of GCC are you using?
22:12:33matkukiVarriount: 4.6.2
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22:13:09Varriount_matkuki: And is this Mingw, or Mingw-w64?
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22:14:14Varriountmatkuki: It looks like you might need to update you Mingw installation. I would suggest using Mingw-w64 too.
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22:14:50matkukithanks, will try immediatly
22:21:02matkukiVarriount: Updated to 4.9.1, now it compiles, but the unchanged single threaded code that works with '--threads:off' doesn't work with '--threads:on'
22:22:11matkukino error message, just a crash
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22:23:46Varriountmatkuki: I don't know if this will work, but try deleting the nimcache folder.
22:24:04VarriountCould you post the code for me to try?
22:24:35matkukitoo much code, sorry
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22:24:59matkukiTried deleting nimcache, no change
22:25:43VarriountHm. Could you use GDB to find where it crashes?
22:28:21Varriountmatkuki: I mean, guessing only gets you so far. :/
22:30:30matkukiYeah, I know. Never really used GDB, but if I will try, I'll message you, thanks for the help
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22:46:18matkukiVarriount: Still here?
22:46:59VarriountYep
22:47:28matkukiTried GDB, get: 'Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x004330f3 in nimProfile ()'
22:47:47Varriountmatkuki: Did you add the linedir directive to get the line?
22:48:11matkukiNo, how do I do that?
22:48:54Varriountmatkuki: Add the '--debuginfo --linedir:on' flags
22:49:07matkukiok, let me try ...
22:49:09Varriount'--debugger:native' might also do the same thing.
22:51:06matkukiOk, compiled with '--debuginfo --linedir:on', now run gdb again?
22:51:15VarriountYep.
22:51:28VarriountIt should grab line information now
22:54:04matkukiVarriount: I tried 'gdb myapp.exe', then inputted 'start' and continue and it gives the same message, without the line.
22:54:19VarriountHuh, odd.
22:54:57dom96what does 'bt' say?
22:55:24Varriountmatkuki: Does the 'nimProfile' identifier mean anything to you?
22:56:22matkukiVarriount: Just got the idea! I had '--profiler:on' flag set! Tried removing it, now it works. Thanks man!
22:56:45Varriountmatkuki: Might want to see if there isn't an issue already open about that.
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22:56:48dom96heh, was just about to ask whether you had that on.
22:57:12VarriountAt the very least, having both switches should cause the compiler to complain.
22:57:22VarriountI mean, using both..
22:57:35matkukiVarriount: Will do.
22:58:00matkukidom96: Do you perhaps know if this is an issue?
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22:58:45matkukiHaving both '--threads:on' and '--profiler:on' flags set?
22:58:58dom96matkuki: not sure i'm afraid. Can't find anything about it on Github though so I'd say just create an issue for it.
22:59:23matkukidom96: Got it, will do.
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23:10:59Heartmenderhow would I embed nimvm into a nim program?
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23:32:44ephjadom96: did you see my post about the assert failure in accept?
23:32:55ephjait's not a user error surely, so I should submit a bug report
23:37:20dom96ephja: link?
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23:39:45matkukiThanks guys, bye
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23:41:30ephjadom96: maybe I'll try to find the root cause myself first
23:41:55dom96I vaguely remember it, just too lazy to search for the post :)
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