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00:11:25FromGitter<timotheecour> @araq what do you suggest for https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/9853#discussion_r239007640 ?I tried a few stuff and found that to be clearest : ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` ⏎ ⏎ but I’m open for suggestions (the goal being to clearly delimit what’s part of the code being displayed [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5c08692d33d9e1199188d60b]
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01:31:42TangerHey, has anybody here added code hot-loading to any of their programs? I found a few (fairly outdated) articles, was looking for more recent code to pore through
01:33:57TangerHaha, should rtfm first
01:34:18TangerSo the compiler supports JS hot reloading'
01:34:58FromGitter<rayman22201> This is an area actively being worked on: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/8927
01:37:31TangerNice, very exciting feature, super handy
01:38:42FromGitter<rayman22201> Yeah. A lot of people are excited about it (including me). Hopefully it will be ready about the end of February next year.
01:44:36FromGitter<zetashift> Is there a way to check if all items in a sequence is unique? I'm currently doing a conversion to a set and see if the lengths match, is there a more Nim(TM) way?
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01:54:28Tangerzetashift: https://nim-lang.org/docs/tables.html#CountTable Count Table perhaps? Or maybe overload add() so that it verifies that the item doesn't exist on adding?
02:11:59FromGitter<zacharycarter> @arnetheduck - thanks for sharing that Nimbus dev update - hoping to use JSON RPC in my new project
02:12:03FromGitter<zacharycarter> among others
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02:59:38leorizezetashift: converting to a `set` is probably the Nim-est way I believe
03:00:28leorizeif your data is too big for a `set`, you could use `deduplicate` from `sequtils`
03:03:03FromGitter<citycide> @alehander42 apparently Nim still does bounds checking on arrays even in an unreachable case like `if false and nums[2] == 2`, which is why the same logic used in gara for seqs fails for arrays
03:05:02FromGitter<citycide> (unless you're in `-d:release` obviously, which turns off those checks)
03:07:07FromGitter<citycide> Araq: could the compiler avoid an unnecessary bounds check in unreachable cases like that? not sure how reasonable that is
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04:04:08FromGitter<citycide> to add to that ^ it's not even just that it's unreachable - there *would* be a length check there that's generated by gara but it seems to be elided and replaced with `false` (because it's an array with a known length), which then causes the out of bounds error
04:04:14FromGitter<citycide> so maybe this is a downright bug?
04:06:15leorizeI think it's a bug, short-circuiting should have worked here and prevent the array from being accessed
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06:15:15FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> Well, that was painful.
06:16:14FromGitter<Vindaar> still is for me... test works out fine, real result is wrong and it's hard to debug :P
06:19:47FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> Are you comparing the (id,distance) pair or the distance?
06:20:06FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> This bug costs me 40min
06:30:36narimiranthere is a bug on some inputs!!
06:30:56narimiran(but regardless of it, i decided to skip today's task for now)
06:31:51FromGitter<Vindaar> ugh
06:32:31FromGitter<Vindaar> that means now I don't know whether I'm too stupid to find my mistake or if I'm affected by that bug :|
06:34:16FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> You can take some solution on reddit and check with your input
06:34:27FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> I don't think that's cheating 😛
06:34:32FromGitter<Vindaar> that's a good point
06:35:33FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> I failed so many times the final timeout I got was 10 min
06:35:53FromGitter<Vindaar> I'm still "only" at 5 minutes, haha
06:36:48FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> lol not so far away
06:39:42FromGitter<Vindaar> haha
06:39:43FromGitter<Vindaar> yes
06:39:50FromGitter<Vindaar> took some python solution, spits out my result
06:41:49narimiranhttps://twitter.com/ericwastl/status/1070563771339411457
06:42:57FromGitter<Vindaar> yay, it works
06:43:54FromGitter<Vindaar> anyways, gonna do part 2 later today
06:44:12FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> So it's solved now?
06:46:06FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> don't! part 2 is super easy
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06:47:51FromGitter<Vindaar> Ok, I can at least read it I guess...
06:55:23FromGitter<Vindaar> well, ok. you were right :)
06:59:10FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> 😄
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07:11:26FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> Is there a standard way of turning `seq[seq[int]]` into `seq[(int,int)]` by taking the first two value from each inner seq?
07:13:52leorize`sequtils.mapIt` should do
07:16:59FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> so just `theSeq.mapIt((it[0],it[1]))` ?
07:17:05leorizeyep
07:17:52FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> but if I need 10 or more values, I would have to manually specify them as well?
07:18:59leorizeare you really sure you'd want to do that?
07:20:07FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> Well, if I have to access the values in `seq` many times, wouldn't it be better to turn them into tuple first?
07:20:33leorizewhy?
07:21:43FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> Because tuple access seems to be 10x faster than seq access
07:22:08leorizeare you compiling with `-d:release`?
07:22:11FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> yep
07:22:48leorizethat's just weird and could be a bug
07:23:13leorizebut for maintainability, I don't think using a tuple of 10 would do any good
07:25:11FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> how is that so?
07:25:25FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> is it any different than array[10,int]?
07:28:42leorizeyou certainly wouldn't want your proc to take a param of type `(int, int, int, ...)`
07:29:39FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> oh, you are right, lol
07:30:32FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> well I guess turning seq into array is even better
07:30:52leorizethere's toOpenArray, but I'm not really sure what it does exactly
07:32:39FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> hmm, doesn't seem to work
07:33:33FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> wait, so should sequence access be as efficient as array/tuple access?
07:33:49leorizeyep, it's quite weird that you found it to be slower
07:34:25leorizedo you have a reproducible sample?
07:34:31FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> Yeah, I will try to write a minimal example now
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07:51:45FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> Done. https://gist.github.com/technicallyagd/b4bce3d5932ba43ee28ab0a324c9cf4a
07:54:11FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> It's not as drastic of a difference here, only about 4.5 fold. I think it's due to the length of the outer seq in this example is shorter
08:03:13FromDiscord_<technicallyagd> And my hunch was correct, updated the gist to include the one with longer outer seq
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08:54:41FromGitter<alehander42> @citycide yeah, not sure if that's easily fixable in the compiler
08:55:25FromGitter<alehander42> (if it's a bug at all: maybe it's just a conservative decision, after all using out of bounds element in dead code seems like something the compiler should stop you from :D)
08:55:32FromGitter<alehander42> one workaround is of course
08:55:46FromGitter<alehander42> to use when: it's used in other places in gara as well
08:56:17FromGitter<alehander42> so the conditions for arrays would look like when a.len > ..: other condition else: false
08:58:32FromGitter<alehander42> alll right
08:58:50FromGitter<alehander42> it works: its a veery simple change of one-two lines, your refactoring really helps here
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09:09:40FromGitter<alehander42> the maybeMatches error is more weird tho..
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10:33:53ZevvCan anyone tell me why I get an 'cannot instantiate' error when calling a method as a.make() instead of make(a) form?
10:33:56Zevvhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q2mXzBZDtk/
10:34:19PMunchYes
10:34:50FromGitter<alehander42> well, how would make know what T is
10:34:57FromGitter<alehander42> ah wait, nvm
10:35:00PMunchIt has to do with the fact that Nim needs to evaluate a to figure out what can be called on it
10:35:52PMunchOh wait..
10:35:58PMunchThis is not that
10:36:00Zevv'a' is a Thing in both cases, right? Naively, I'd assume that the foo.bar() notation is nothing more then syntactic sugar for bar(foo)
10:36:28ZevvHappy to see two "Oh wait" responses. That was my first thought as well :)
10:37:27PMunchHaha, yeah I thought it was the classic template taking untyped issue
10:37:52PMunchThis I think is just a straight up bug..
10:39:47PMunchHmm, todays AoC was a bit trickier than the last couple
10:40:00PMunchI have a solution, but I'm pretty sure it won't work for the general case
10:40:38ZevvDidn't get to it yet
10:40:44Zevvwork work
10:44:11leorizeZevv: you'd need to use `a.make[:Blob]()` IIRC
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10:44:54ZevvThank you:
10:44:55ZevvThe [: ] notation has been designed to mitigate this issue: x.p[:T] is rewritten by the parser to p[T](x), x.p[:T](y) is rewritten to p[T](x, y). Note that [: ] has no AST representation, the rewrite is performed directly in the parsing step.
10:45:09Zevvtricky
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10:50:22FromGitter<alehander42> wtf
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11:57:59Araqfoo.bar() is complex syntax sugar, unfortunately
11:58:44Araqand it requires to semcheck 'foo', that is not surprising IMO
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12:01:51FromGitter<mratsim> oh that’s why we sometimes cannot use that syntax with templates
12:06:28Araq'o.x' means "if o has not field x, try x(x)"
12:06:35Araq"x(o)"
12:06:47Araqand that doesn't work with 'untyped', how could it...
12:07:46FromGitter<mratsim> I don’t think it was with untyped templates
12:08:08Araqnever seen anything else where it fails
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12:32:25ZevvIts a bit of a gotcha. The 'why' is in the manual, but the error message does not really point you there
12:32:40Zevvluckily there's always #nim
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12:44:41Araqit is a gotcha yes, it's also quite unfixable.
12:45:16Araqwell, there are proposals so that 'untyped' can be avoided and 'typed' used instead
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12:57:37oprypinwhy am i getting this error `Error: 'destroy' or 'deepCopy' expected for 'override'` in 0.19?
12:57:37oprypinfor this line https://github.com/oprypin/nim-csfml/blob/c41b8f7b/src/csfml/private/system_gen.nim#L92 + https://github.com/oprypin/nim-csfml/blob/c41b8f7b/src/csfml/private/common.nim#L28
12:57:37oprypinis there information on the current situation with destructors?
12:58:07Araqhttps://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/Destructors
12:58:30Araqthe syntax is now
12:58:38Araqproc `=destroy`(x: var T)
12:58:55Araqbut you also better overload `=` and `=sink`
12:59:27oprypinis there any way to use this in a way that is compatible with old Nim?
13:00:22Araqremove the 'destroy' annotation
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13:01:33Araqit never worked reliably previously and this feature is only now getting stable.
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13:03:17FromGitter<narimiran> (how) can i do something like `type MyRange = 5..50; for i in MyRange: ...`?
13:04:59FromGitter<narimiran> oh, it seems that i can do `for i in MyRange.low .. MyRange.high`
13:06:35PMunchYeah, you can of course also create an iterator for your type
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13:10:41FromGitter<narimiran> PMunch: thanks, my first type-iterator :)
13:12:16PMunchhttp://ix.io/1vne/Nim
13:12:20PMunchSomething like that
13:14:25FromGitter<narimiran> PMunch: here is how i did it: http://ix.io/1vni/
13:15:45PMunchDoes that work?
13:15:57FromGitter<narimiran> it does :)
13:16:34FromGitter<Vindaar> @narimiran wait, but in your case `Range` within the iterator is *any* `typedesc`, no?
13:17:03FromGitter<narimiran> @Vindaar hmm, maybe :D
13:17:09PMunchYeah that's what I was curious about
13:17:45FromGitter<narimiran> ok, changed to PMunch's version
13:18:54PMunchAre you working on your AoC puzzle?
13:20:10FromGitter<narimiran> but of course :D
13:20:16PMunchThat range seemed familiar :P
13:20:34FromGitter<narimiran> my initial solution is probably the ugliest nim-code i've ever written
13:20:49PMunchHaha
13:20:52FromGitter<narimiran> now i have nicer code. but wrong result :D
13:21:15PMunchMine seem to end up pretty simple, but not very optimized
13:21:26PMunchI should probably chuck them in a repo as well..
13:21:47FromGitter<Vindaar> mine are ugly and unoptimized. Does that mean I win? :D
13:22:42FromGitter<narimiran> @Vindaar only if it is worse than mine. and i assure you it isn't. (no, i won't show it to anyone ever)
13:23:51FromGitter<Vindaar> haha, I just accepted it and got rid of my pride :P
13:24:51FromGitter<Vindaar> well, ok. My solutions mainly end up being very verbose
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13:35:41FromGitter<alehander42> that's usually not bad
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13:50:34FromGitter<narimiran> ok, i've managed to make my code a bit nicer: now i don't instantaneously vomit when i see it
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13:56:31kobi7hi folks, has anyone used nimx here?
13:57:12kobi7I don't know how to set the android environment vars
13:58:07kobi7What should I set for NDK_PROJECT_PATH ?
14:00:16kobi7or if it's not an env var, how to set things up correctly?
14:03:22Araqdunno but it sounds like an Internet search will quickly give you the answer
14:03:36PMunchNDK_PROJECT_PATH is used by the Android compiler IIRC
14:04:40kobi7I follow the nimx nake instructions, but that variable is project specific I think.
14:05:09kobi7I'm very new to this
14:08:31kobi7(nimx is my first try on android)
14:08:53kobi7true, it is kind of offtopic
14:09:19PMunchI've gotten Nim with SDL to work on Android before
14:09:27PMunchBut that was before nimx was a thing
14:09:42PMunchNot entirely sure what changed between those projects
14:09:53PMunchMaybe you can find something that uses nimx?
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14:32:43kobi7good idea
14:32:51kobi7will pursue when i have some time.
14:32:53kobi7see you
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15:49:49FromGitter<alehander42> how is aoc going
15:52:44narimiran@alehander42: officially (as the one who is promoting Nim leaderboard): great, we have over 100 players! unofficially: also nice, but it takes me so much time to write the solutions i'm satisfied with
15:53:34narimirani see that you solved day 5. for me, that one was the most interesting so far
15:54:48PMunchDay 5 wasn't that bad
15:55:01PMunchDay 6 was more interesting IIRC
15:55:06PMunchIMHO*
15:55:37FromGitter<alehander42> yeah, 5 was fun for me, because it was easy to get big complexity using lang strings incorrectly
15:55:41FromGitter<alehander42> i tried it in several langs
15:55:50FromGitter<alehander42> and I almost always started with the wrong usage
15:56:05narimirani'm down to single-digit milliseconds for both parts of day5
15:56:11PMunchOh yeah, I just used delete from strutils, which is definitely not the best :P
15:56:50narimiranboth parts meaning the complete day5 is complete in that time. not each part.
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15:58:33FromGitter<alehander42> I just used setLen :D :D
15:58:48PMunchBut then you chop the end of?
15:59:04PMunchhttp://ix.io/1vo3/Nim
15:59:05FromGitter<alehander42> well I setLen(a.length - 1)
15:59:16FromGitter<alehander42> basically the same
15:59:19PMunchThat's my naïve solution day 5
16:00:26FromGitter<alehander42> hm, I compared with swapcase, as I started from a discussion of the crystal ppl solutions
16:00:36FromGitter<alehander42> 1) and 32 is smarter
16:00:41FromGitter<alehander42> `-` *
16:02:53PMunchHuh?
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16:03:08PMunchOh yeah, using abs(ord-ord) == 32?
16:03:29FromGitter<alehander42> yes
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16:08:26narimiranyou can use xor instead of abs, it should be somewhat faster
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16:13:01PMunchYeah I guess, but if I was going for speed I should've fixed the string delete part :P
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16:34:07narimirannow this is strange. if i define `var finite = {1 .. 50}`, i can do `for n in <array of ints>: finite.excl n` (n is int, not int16)
16:34:56narimiranbut when i move that to a function where the result is `set[(u)int16]`, then i cannot exclude `n` without first converting it to (u)int16 :/
16:38:54narimiranhmmm. if i just define my proc as `proc foo(x: myArray): auto` then everything is once again fine
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18:22:09Zevv\o/ todays stars are in
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18:30:35narimiranZevv: congrats! who are you on the leaderboard?
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19:17:24Zevvsome anynymous halfway on the nim board :)
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20:00:13xacehow do you view the nim aoc board?
20:01:08FromGitter<Vindaar> @xace: did you join it already? otherwise you can't I believe
20:06:12FromGitter<Vindaar> Anybody familiar with nimble being unable to find Nim's stdlib on travis?
20:06:57FromGitter<mratsim> uh? you don’t need to find it though
20:07:40FromGitter<Vindaar> Well, nimble tells me it fails to parse the nimble file, because it can't find the stdlib
20:07:42FromGitter<Vindaar> one moment
20:08:34FromGitter<Vindaar> https://travis-ci.org/bluenote10/NimData/jobs/464601261 ⏎ the irony is, it even explicitly says "last try in nim-master/lib", which is totally correct
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20:14:56FromGitter<mratsim> fun
20:15:46FromGitter<Vindaar> yup
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20:37:04FromGitter<Vindaar> Ok, I fixed it by adding the nim directory location to PATH with the full path, instead of just these weird "travis like" paths, which start from the local project
20:45:52FromGitter<timotheecour> @araq quick question if you’re here?
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22:31:01xacevindaar: no i didnt join, i just wanted to peek on the problems and solutions and maybe learn a thing or 2
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