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00:43:47FromDiscord<TryAngle> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uvp
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00:49:32FromDiscord<Generic> yes that should work
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02:03:37FromDiscord<TryAngle> does nim support the builder pattern somehow? I tried it but I cna't get it to work 🤔
02:06:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3UvC
02:06:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can also use `var MyObject` if you assign to a variable first
02:08:25termerdoes anyone know the memory implications of using the insert proc on strings?
02:08:36termerlooking at the implementation, it looks like it uses shallow copy
02:08:56termershallowCopy doesn't actually copy the underlying memory, right?
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02:09:25termerI'm trying to make a proc that replaces certain characters in a string with something else
02:09:31termer& => &amp;
02:09:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> it's probably going to allocate once more
02:09:32termerfor example
02:09:35FromDiscord<TryAngle> .............
02:09:36termerhmm
02:09:40FromDiscord<TryAngle> I did it right the whole time
02:09:43FromDiscord<TryAngle> I just forgot
02:09:45FromDiscord<TryAngle> the
02:09:47FromDiscord<TryAngle> ....
02:10:04termerI'm fine with reallocating, there's no other way to do it
02:10:18termerbut I'd rather just enlarge the string by allocating more space
02:10:20termerbut not copying anything
02:10:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well strings store binary data so it has to copy that
02:10:55termerif my string is "Tom & Jerry", it's going to initially be 11 bytes but after processing it to "Tom &amp; Jerry" it's going to be 15
02:11:27FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @termer "but I'd rather just": How would you do that? It’s not guaranteed the space next to a string is not used
02:11:47termerso I will have to copy?
02:12:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Either you have a buffer certainly larger than your string(not possible given &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& can be a string) or you grow the string
02:12:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well yea
02:12:19termermaybe I can stream the string instead
02:12:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You want a string to have more data, you need to copy the characters from string A to string B
02:12:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What is this string for?
02:12:42termerI'm getting data from a server and rendering it to a webpage
02:12:48termerthe contents needs to be sanitized
02:13:06termerI want to use as little memory as possible
02:14:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Replacing is pretty much the only way to go, you could iterate over the string and output the replacement string when you hit the mask string, but that's still going to have a third buffer
02:15:00FromDiscord<Rika> Ensure that your capacity is big enough for MOST of the time and accept that you will copy for SOME of the time
02:16:02termerI could do that
02:16:54termerthe question would then be, what's an acceptable percentage extra to allocate
02:16:59termerguess that takes a bit more research
02:17:15FromDiscord<Rika> Yeah up to you to figure that out xd
02:21:08termerah fuck it I'll just stream the string
02:21:40termerthen I don't have to keep much in memory at all
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02:44:05FromDiscord<aph> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3UvI
02:44:07FromDiscord<aph> i tried debugging and echo result, i got nil
02:44:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `ref object`
02:44:21FromDiscord<aph> ohh
02:44:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `ref Object`s are initialised to `nil`
02:47:23FromDiscord<aph> so uh, if i remove the `ref` it should work?
02:48:03FromDiscord<Rika> No
02:48:26FromDiscord<Rika> Start of the new proc do “result = Bdef1()”
02:48:38FromDiscord<aph> ohh
02:48:46FromDiscord<aph> many thanks
02:49:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> or do `BDef1(bone1Index: 1, bone1Weight: 1)`
02:50:11FromDiscord<aph> thanks 2x!
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03:19:10FromDiscord<TryAngle> @ElegantBeef u are good with macros / templates I suppose↵can I make a macro / template somehow that takes any proc and runs it, with other content inside it?
03:19:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You cannot inject code into code that already exists, you can run code after it
03:21:12FromDiscord<TryAngle> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/49R
03:21:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You dont need macros or templates for that
03:21:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `prroc run(window: Window, myProc: proc())`
03:22:32FromDiscord<TryAngle> lol↵thiking abt it I dind't know myself fully what I wanted 🤔 ↵I think this should work thanks!
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03:23:45FromDiscord<demotomohiro> You can create a template that run given code block between `window.clear()` and `window.swapBuffers()`.
03:24:12FromDiscord<Rika> not really needed though if its a proc
03:24:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There is 0 benefit for using a template
03:25:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There is nothing in this case a template gives you a proc doesnt
03:25:08FromDiscord<TryAngle> ah now I remember!!
03:25:15FromDiscord<TryAngle> I want to type full nim there
03:25:23FromDiscord<Rika> ??
03:25:24FromDiscord<TryAngle> arent' there some restriction to lamdas 🤔 ?
03:25:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/99G
03:25:34FromDiscord<Rika> no, this isnt a lambda specificall
03:25:35FromDiscord<Rika> (edit) "specificall" => "specifically"
03:25:41FromDiscord<Rika> its just a proc that you pass
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03:25:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This is a procedure it can do anything you can type inside that template
03:26:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The only difference is the template can do things like declare global varaibles
03:26:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Aside from that they're pretty much 1\:1 parity
03:26:41FromDiscord<TryAngle> hmmm ok I guess I had an misunderstanding there
03:26:48FromDiscord<TryAngle> thanks ! 🥺
03:27:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Personally for my main loop i have a `proc(dt: float32)` for update and a `proc()` for my draw
03:27:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Then i just do `program.run(windowSize, update, draw)`
03:27:41FromDiscord<TryAngle> yes that's what I wanted to do but I kinda mixed everything in my head around for zero
03:27:42FromDiscord<TryAngle> thanks
03:27:48FromDiscord<TryAngle> (edit) "yes that's ... what" added "exactly"
03:28:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/beef331/truss3d/blob/master/src/truss3D.nim#L64-L86 if you want reference
03:29:35FromDiscord<Rika> i dont recall
03:29:36FromDiscord<Rika> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3UvN
03:30:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nah with `proc()` it doesnt
03:30:27FromDiscord<TryAngle> @ElegantBeef small joke question ↵what is ur opinion on the beef programming language?
03:30:36FromDiscord<Rika> nth time thats been asked
03:30:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> it's C# but lower level
03:30:55FromDiscord<TryAngle> In reply to @Rika "nth time thats been": I was thinking the same but I had to 😔
03:32:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Oh hey they finally changed their icon from that stolen game asset
03:32:23FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @TryAngle "<@145405730571288577> small joke question": the installer has a sound effect
03:32:29FromDiscord<creikey> that is all you need to know imo
03:33:04FromDiscord<TryAngle> crazy their website almost works completely without any javascript 😳
03:33:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/beefytech/Beef/issues/14 is my favourite part of it
03:34:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But jokes aside i dont know it's a C#-like C# isnt the most tremendously ergonomic language imo
03:35:35FromDiscord<spoon> lol what is that
03:36:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What is that?
03:36:42FromDiscord<spoon> the issue
03:36:58FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @Elegantbeef "https://github.com/beefytech/Beef/issues/14 is my f": https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/961469607074484304/unknown.png
03:37:03FromDiscord<spoon> i think ive heard of that language from gamesfromscratch?
03:37:09FromDiscord<spoon> In reply to @creikey "": LOL
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03:38:25FromDiscord<spoon> with nim i get results on how to implement the game of nim in different languages still if i dont put "nim lang"
03:38:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Wait people search in search engines for solutions?
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03:40:18FromDiscord<spoon> what else would i search in for very specific questions
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03:41:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Dont search specific questions 😄
03:42:36FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Wait people search in": why do I keep asking you for specific questions, what is the general strategy I can use to solve nim questions?
03:42:43FromDiscord<creikey> like where do I search for things
03:42:52FromDiscord<creikey> if not gogole
03:42:54FromDiscord<creikey> (edit) "gogole" => "google"
03:43:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I dont follow
03:43:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If it's nim specific looking here https://nim-lang.org/docs/theindex.html is best imo
03:46:11FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @creikey "why do I keep": Look for the general algorithm in a pseudo language
03:51:11FromDiscord<TryAngle> LOL @ElegantBeef it works 😳
03:51:22FromDiscord<TryAngle> thanks 🥺 🙏 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/961473233612341288/unknown.png
03:51:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What'd i do?
03:51:51FromDiscord<TryAngle> builder pattern↵main loop
03:52:11FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @TryAngle "thanks 🥺 🙏": why is there stuff after build
03:53:06FromDiscord<TryAngle> In reply to @creikey "why is there stuff": based + nimpilled programming style 😎
03:53:19FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @TryAngle "based + nimpilled programming": lol
03:53:19FromDiscord<TryAngle> no but tbh, I have to construct the GLFW Window
03:53:50FromDiscord<creikey> nimpilled programming style???
03:54:52FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @creikey "why is there stuff": What do you mean lmao
03:55:01FromDiscord<TryAngle> In reply to @creikey "nimpilled programming style???": just forget that it's almost 6:00 for me and I'm going crazy 😩
03:55:38FromDiscord<Rika> Cringe
03:55:53FromDiscord<spoon> no nimpilled is in webster dictionary
03:58:35FromDiscord<TryAngle> In reply to @spoon "no nimpilled is in": it is not 😔
03:59:14FromDiscord<spoon> its in the next revision
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05:09:09nrds<Prestige99> my god nimble makes no sense
05:09:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Time to use nimph
05:10:06nrds<Prestige99> maybe I sohuld
05:10:07nrds<Prestige99> should
05:10:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What's your issue today?
05:11:22nrds<Prestige99> Have an exampleGame dir in my project that lives at the same level as the .nimble file, and this dir isn't being downloaded with my hybrid package (but I want it to)
05:11:58nrds<Prestige99> Tried defining installDirs but it assumes everything lives in the srcDir, if I remove the srcDir it complains about the package structure
05:12:25FromDiscord<Rika> Don’t listen to the complainers
05:12:29FromDiscord<Rika> Complaints I mean
05:13:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea what rika said
05:13:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Who gives a shit what nimble thinks is correct it's your project
05:13:45nrds<Prestige99> Mostly worried about it possibly breaking my package in the future
05:13:49FromDiscord<Rika> There’s bound to be backlash from a few of us if it starts being enforced xd
05:14:14FromDiscord<Rika> Then would be when we stop recommending nimble at all heh
05:14:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well if it does break nimph exists
05:14:33nrds<Prestige99> Yeah looking into nimph now
05:14:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It does things nimble cant do like install some of disrupteks packages 😜
05:15:35FromDiscord<Rika> ~~and actually work in most of the cases~~
05:15:51FromDiscord<Rika> It gets annoying reinstalling packages to the right versions
05:17:18FromDiscord<TryAngle> is there a way to use nim constants & simple types from C / CPP ?
05:17:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Primitives are built in with `c` proceding them
05:17:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `cint` `cfloat` ...
05:17:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Dont know what you mean about nimconstants
05:18:01FromDiscord<Rika> Constants no, those disappear from the code Nim generates
05:18:29FromDiscord<TryAngle> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uwb
05:18:39FromDiscord<Rika> No those get inlined into the code
05:18:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You could do `var` and `exportC` on them
05:19:01FromDiscord<Rika> Or emit a define
05:19:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Just to be certain what are we talking about anyway
05:19:07FromDiscord<Rika> Also known as being cursed
05:19:12FromDiscord<TryAngle> ok so writing a script is the way then 🤔
05:19:18FromDiscord<TryAngle> that translate those to C constants
05:19:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What are we doing
05:19:57FromDiscord<TryAngle> a friend of mine is doing something "similar" to me but different, before he rewrites all the constants I've collected I thought we could "share" them
05:20:26FromDiscord<TryAngle> and he is a C/C++ fanboy
05:20:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's ok you can say "he's wrong"
05:20:45FromDiscord<TryAngle> XD
05:21:04FromDiscord<TryAngle> no I'm helping him translating them to his fav lang then
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05:21:26FromDiscord<TryAngle> I don't judge dw
05:21:27FromDiscord<TryAngle> (mostly)
05:23:37FromDiscord<TryAngle> different thing,↵does std/json somehow allow autorenames to camelCase, snake case and field ranames? Or do I have to write a proc for that
05:23:53FromDiscord<TryAngle> (edit) "different thing,↵does std/json somehow allow autorenames to camelCase, snake case and ... field" added "manual"
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05:25:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you can use jsonhooks for converting inbetween
05:25:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://nim-lang.org/docs/jsonutils.html
05:28:40nrds<Prestige99> hell
05:28:55nrds<Prestige99> If I end up writing my own nim package manager I'm going to lose my mind
05:30:01FromDiscord<TryAngle> In reply to @Elegantbeef "you can use jsonhooks": thanks looks good 👍
05:30:03nrds<Prestige99> who am I kidding I lost that a while ago
05:30:20FromDiscord<TryAngle> In reply to @nrds "<Prestige> If I end": is there an issue with nimble?
05:31:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Good luck getting anyone to use it prestige
05:31:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Disruptek has the same isssues
05:34:10nrds<Prestige99> I don't really care if anyone else uses it tbh
05:34:13nrds<Prestige99> just need something workign
05:34:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Then why do you care if the nimble project structure isnt right?
05:34:49nrds<Prestige99> cuz dom might break it at some point
05:34:54nrds<Prestige99> or whoever updates it
05:35:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But if that's the case just use git sub modules and call it a day
05:35:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Dont need a package manager for that
05:35:50nrds<Prestige99> perhaps
05:41:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Atleast you can use nimble until it no longer supports your setup and then move to submodules, though it's been like this for years now with no movement
05:41:47nrds<Prestige99> I'll have to think about it
05:42:04nrds<Prestige99> but I think I'm going to just stop using nimble either way
05:42:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Or you can use nimph and say "use nimph to install it, cause nimble just dont work"
05:42:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'd say at most make issues on the nimble repo for this stuff if they presently dont exist to atleast document iiit
05:48:10nrds<Prestige99> Yeah i'll make some issues
05:56:37FromDiscord<TryAngle> how does nim serialize Enums? Is there a way to give an enum variant that doesn't match?
05:56:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What do you mean?
05:58:26FromDiscord<TryAngle> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/t6R
05:58:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Enums are ordinal values
05:58:34FromDiscord<TryAngle> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uwl" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uwk"
05:58:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So if `val notin EventType.low.ord..EventType.high`
05:59:47FromDiscord<TryAngle> 🤔
06:00:20FromDiscord<TryAngle> so I do `val notin EventType.Create..EventType.Delete` => `val = EventType.Other` ?
06:00:28FromDiscord<TryAngle> manually
06:01:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Sure or you know just raise an exception
06:01:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> there is a `parseEnum[T]` inside `strutils`
06:01:42FromDiscord<TryAngle> hmmm I will try that once I get there also good idea, raise exception and then "fix that" exception
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06:45:34FromDiscord<morgan> so uh it's probably something simple but im getting a really confusing error
06:46:14FromDiscord<morgan> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uwp
06:46:33FromDiscord<morgan> it seems like it's not seeing the other params
06:47:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `shortname = 'a', callback = foo_a, shared = false`
06:47:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> named parameters use `=` object constructors use `:`
06:48:00FromDiscord<morgan> oh i see
06:49:01FromDiscord<morgan> at this point i don't actually need the names since i refaced a ton of procs (took like 15 minutes sigh) but thanks
06:49:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea i dont even see why you have that many add procs
06:49:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> A single add proc that ensures specific values are set seems better to me
06:50:18FromDiscord<morgan> so there's 3 ways it can have a name (short, long, or both) and two ways it can affect the users' code (setting a reference or calling a callback)
06:50:23FromDiscord<morgan> and 5 types
06:50:35FromDiscord<morgan> so 3 2 5
06:51:04FromDiscord<morgan> if it needed both names that would def simplify it
06:51:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uwq
06:52:02FromDiscord<morgan> well the reason is that the flag type is a bit large
06:52:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So what?
06:52:27FromDiscord<morgan> there's three sets of variant typing
06:52:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ok then
06:52:46FromDiscord<morgan> idk i felt this would be easier for someone using it
06:53:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well if you have constructors for the variants a single add is more ergonomic
06:53:11FromDiscord<morgan> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/961518984665116702/unknown.png
06:54:33FromDiscord<morgan> and the flags table is (at least atm) accessible outside the file (i think that's the scope sets) so a user could add one manually if they so desired
06:54:41FromDiscord<morgan> tho i might change that
06:56:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uwr
06:57:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So you could do `int.newFlagVariant(short = 'a', callback = (proc(a: int) = echo "Hello))`
06:58:55FromDiscord<morgan> is there a way to make procs chainable, like `object.one(...).two(...)`?
06:59:06FromDiscord<morgan> i have it returning the object
06:59:16FromDiscord<morgan> but the second one complains about taking in a proc
06:59:21FromDiscord<morgan> instead of the object
07:00:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Actually dont even really need the `flag.valid` assuming you validate it inside the constructor
07:00:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea return the type you want
07:00:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What are the procedure defiinitions?
07:00:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim's MCS means we get chaning for free
07:01:08FromDiscord<morgan> wait so i should do return instead of result =
07:01:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I generally dont
07:01:34FromDiscord<morgan> like in this case
07:01:40FromDiscord<morgan> i usually do result =
07:01:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You only use return when you need it
07:01:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> result is implicitly returned
07:02:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> when i said you return the type, i mean you annotate the proc with the type you're returning
07:02:22FromDiscord<morgan> i am
07:02:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Then it should work
07:02:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Show the error message or proc definitions
07:02:51FromDiscord<morgan> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/961521420318441522/unknown.png
07:03:04FromDiscord<morgan> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/961521477004439592/unknown.png
07:03:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> "is imutable not var"
07:03:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `var CommandVariant`
07:03:57FromDiscord<morgan> so `): var CommandVariant`?
07:04:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This is kinda why this API sucks anyway
07:04:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
07:04:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You dont have a `add` that takes a `@[]`
07:04:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you have this builder pattern for 0 reason
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07:04:43FromDiscord<morgan> oh yea a seq of them would be handy
07:04:54FromDiscord<morgan> that would be so many more procs
07:06:07FromDiscord<morgan> hm actually it could be one add proc that would then delegate to the existing procs
07:06:26FromDiscord<morgan> tho what it would use as a type the seq contains i dunno
07:06:39FromDiscord<morgan> cos callback vs reference
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07:08:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/pKn
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07:09:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Just do this type of thing
07:09:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> guess it should be `valBool: val`
07:10:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/wJw
07:10:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> And that add is just iterating the add of a single value
07:10:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> it composes so much nicer
07:11:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> For shared and the like you can use tuples so `(true, myFlag)`
07:12:33FromDiscord<morgan> i see i see
07:13:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `type FlagTypes = int or bool or float or string` if it wasnt clear whatever your object variant supports
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07:42:01FromDiscord<aph> is there a `div=` thing btw, i can't seem to find it
07:42:06FromDiscord<aph> or do i have to manually assign it
07:42:27Amun-Raassign to operator?
07:42:38FromDiscord<aph> yeah
07:42:49Amun-Raah, something like +=? no
07:42:55FromDiscord<aph> sad
07:43:24FromDiscord<aph> but i can make a macro for that probably
07:43:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Jesus people always jump to hydrogen bombs
07:44:01FromDiscord<aph> 😈
07:44:16Amun-Ra`div=` looks like a setter
07:44:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You cant really though since it'd be `a.div = b`
07:44:24Amun-Ra^
07:44:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> only symbol operators can be used with `=`
07:45:34FromDiscord<aph> In reply to @Elegantbeef "You cant really though": :(
07:46:07Amun-Rayou can implement proc somename[T](a: var T, b: T)
07:46:37FromDiscord<aph> that'd work, but i'm just doing this for 1 thing. probably not needed
07:46:38FromDiscord<aph> heh
07:46:42Amun-RaI'd still prefer a = a mod b
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08:12:40PMunchDepends, if a is a C# style name with 17 syllables I prefer the non-repeating version
08:13:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Didnt know you were writing java
08:14:33PMunchHaha, I'm unfortunate enough to work with C# at work, and it tends to leak over a bit
08:19:33Amun-Rain Java you'd have to setup stream for integer division first in a few levels of nesting
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08:46:08FromDiscord<Zoom> Start with double capacity. BTW, what's Nim strategy on reallocations? How much the capacity grows by? I suppose it doubles.↵(<@709044657232936960_termer=5b=49=52=43=5d>)
08:46:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It doubles up to a point
08:46:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's not documented anywhere but the seq/string logic
08:48:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It uses a growth pattern that is generally the best
08:48:36FromDiscord<Zoom> That's what I thought
08:48:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It should really be documented somewhere but i guess it's considered an implementation detail
08:49:33FromDiscord<vindaar> iirc it's 3/2, but I'd have to check again
08:49:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I know it's 2 up to a point with seqv1
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08:51:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/lib/system/seqs_v2.nim#L50-L97 if you want to look into it
08:52:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/8ccde68f132be4dba330eb6ec50f4679e564efac/lib/system/strs_v2.nim#L37-L40
08:52:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea it's 2 up to uint16 then it's 3/2
08:52:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Or V2 atleast
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08:54:00FromDiscord<vindaar> ah, thanks for checking!
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08:55:10FromDiscord<vindaar> I wanted to check locally, but uhhh, something happened I've never experienced. My emacs is in a weird state. Cannot kill it, cannot close it, I can "use" it, but it errors on pretty much everything. wtf
08:55:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Emacs is bloatfree i heard
08:55:27FromDiscord<vindaar> haha
08:56:03FromDiscord<vindaar> it's like your computer tells you "oh sorry I cannot find that shutdown executable!"
08:56:17FromDiscord<vindaar> that's what they do when they become sentient
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08:57:15FromDiscord<Zoom> I don't get why Ar@q is so against documenting implementation details. Suppose he wants his head to be free of caring about keeping them in sync?
08:57:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Not a clue
08:57:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Somethings should be documented and accessible, would be nice to have a readonly `cap`
08:58:05PMunchReadonly cap would be great
08:58:35PMunchBut yeah, I guess the documentation details aren't documented because then they're assumed to be sorta stable
08:58:52PMunchSo if they change people are going to be mad, because they depended on that behaviour
08:59:14FromDiscord<vindaar> hell yeah, read only `cap` please
08:59:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> RFC it bitches
08:59:21FromDiscord<Zoom> How much chance this particular one is going to change like ever?↵(<@709044657232936960_=50=4dunch=5b=49=52=43=5d>)
08:59:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Zoom there is another str impl somewhere i think
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08:59:39PMunchThis comes to mind: https://xkcd.com/1172/
08:59:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So it looks like it might change
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09:00:38FromDiscord<Zoom> Let's go one step forward\: Please, Views everywhere.
09:00:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Hey use `openArray[T]` more and that's already a nicer life
09:01:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also steal slicerators `[a..b]` iterator
09:01:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I cant believe since like pre 1.0.0 `[]` didnt work as an iterator
09:01:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's maddening
09:03:08PMunchDoes openarray[byte] accept a string? Or is that just openarray[char]?
09:03:25PMunchI currently have `key: seq[byte] or seq[uint8] or seq[char] or string`..
09:03:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Just char but you can do `.toOpenArrayByte(0, len)`
09:03:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You do realize `seq[byte]` and `seq[uint8]` are identical
09:04:26FromDiscord<TryAngle> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3UwM
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09:04:33FromDiscord<Zoom> [Elegantbeef](https://matrix.to/#/@elegantbeef:matrix.org)\: btw, talking about OpenArrays\: I've replied to your review to my r
09:05:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Lol
09:05:07PMunch@Elegantbeef, they are?
09:05:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You've got to be shitting me
09:05:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> yea `byte` is an alias to uin8
09:05:58FromDiscord<Zoom> That's called holey enums↵(@TryAngle)
09:06:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> the proc needs to be defined `[T: FlowVarBase](flowVars: openArray[T])`
09:06:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you want to ignore the numbers have an array and a non holey enum
09:07:37FromDiscord<TryAngle> In reply to @Elegantbeef "If you want to": ah that is a good idea
09:07:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/T8N
09:07:39FromDiscord<TryAngle> thanks
09:07:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Formatted properly and also closed `[]`
09:08:20FromDiscord<Zoom> I suppose he was really asking about order. And yep, the order inside decl does not matter, if you manually assign the ord values.
09:09:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I wonder if a RFC to make all procedures using inheritable objects use them as a typeclass would be accepted 😛
09:09:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Solves the issue we ran into Zoom
09:10:12FromDiscord<Zoom> Should I change this signature for this one?
09:10:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It would make it work, but it can also make code that compiled no longer compile
09:11:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Like if you relied on inheritance and upcasted all your types to `FlowVarBase` it would stop working
09:11:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Wait it's marked unstable, so perhaps it'd be accpeted
09:11:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3UwN
09:12:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So it really seems like it should just make it a generic, but i dont know
09:16:21FromDiscord<Zoom> I leave the question there, just in case anyone else reads it \:)
09:16:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> ok
09:16:58FromDiscord<Shiba> where is the config file located in linux ?
09:19:14FromDiscord<hmmm> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3UwQ
09:19:28FromDiscord<Zoom> That's kinda sad, such a basic element of threading is so quirky
09:19:30FromDiscord<Zoom> Which one? Nim configs in use are outputted on each compilation.
09:19:41FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Shiba "where is the config": there are multiple
09:19:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean like i said prior in an ideal world it's an iterator anyway, no clue why it's not
09:19:49FromDiscord<Yardanico> the main nim one located in the nim distribution
09:19:55FromDiscord<Yardanico> the main user one you can create in ~/.config/nim/nim.cfg
09:20:00PMunchHmm, I have a pointer to some data and a length, is there a simple way to copy this into a seq[byte]?
09:20:04FromDiscord<Yardanico> then project-specific ones
09:20:11FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @PMunch "Hmm, I have a": copyMem? :P
09:20:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/Uku
09:20:30PMunchI mean I could do `newSeq[byte](length); copyMem(mySeq[0].addr, data)`
09:20:32FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#copyMem%2Cpointer%2Cpointer%2CNatural
09:20:38FromDiscord<Yardanico> yeah
09:20:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> yea that's the simplest
09:21:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Why do you need to turn it into a seq, is it related with that procedure call?
09:22:19FromDiscord<Shiba> In reply to @Yardanico "there are multiple": ok found it, it's in "/etc/nim/"
09:22:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If it is, openarray is the answer, no need to copy the data!
09:22:21FromDiscord<Zoom> I remember being surprised Nim doesn't have `from_raw_parts` analogue https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/vec/struct.Vec.html#method.from_raw_parts
09:22:31FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Shiba "ok found it, it's": it's better to use the user config one though
09:22:51FromDiscord<Yardanico> also that's the main nim distribution one as I said
09:22:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> To be fair nim does have `toOpenArray` which works similar
09:23:04FromDiscord<Yardanico> it's in /etc/nim if you installed Nim via the package manager
09:23:34FromDiscord<Shiba> In reply to @Yardanico "it's better to use": where is it
09:23:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The issue with that and Nim Zoom is that Nim's size/cap is next to the data iirc
09:23:38FromDiscord<Shiba> (edit) "it" => "it?"
09:23:40FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Shiba "where is it?": ~/.config/nim/nim.cfg
09:23:45FromDiscord<Yardanico> if nim folder doesn't exist, just create it
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09:23:51FromDiscord<Yardanico> and then create nim.cfg and put the stuff you want there
09:24:14FromDiscord<Shiba> ahh ok
09:25:11FromDiscord<Zoom> Figured this
09:25:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Think It was done explicitly to reduce stack allocations for embedded
09:27:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I noticed pmunch never responded to my question, clearly he was ashamed 😛
09:28:52PMunchHuh, what questios?
09:29:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What are you doing with the seq?
09:29:11PMunchOh, I need to complete a Future
09:29:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah, thought it was related with that `seq[byte]` stuff
09:30:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `openarray[char or byte]` is your friend, invite it inside
09:31:50PMunchOoh, that works?
09:31:51PMunchNice
09:32:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> yes
09:32:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though string doesnt convert to it
09:35:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3UwR is what i'd say to do
09:36:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Which means you get so much flexibillity, got a pointer to a byte array, just use `toOpenArray` on it, got an array or seq just pass it, got a string just call `.toOa`
09:36:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> And with this rant i go sleep
09:38:19FromDiscord<Shiba> what https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/961560542907080764/Screenshot_2022-04-07_11-38-07.png
09:39:14FromDiscord<Yardanico> -lm
09:39:40FromDiscord<Yardanico> to the C compiler
09:39:51FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/19041
09:43:07FromDiscord<hmmm> broskis stupid question, if I have a big module and split it in two, I will need to send to the second module all the vars that were accessed natively before, that means that I need to change all the signatures of the procs.....there is no way around that right?
09:43:25FromDiscord<Yardanico> wdym?
09:43:30FromDiscord<hmmm> hmm
09:43:34FromDiscord<Yardanico> I don't get the "vars that were accessed natively"
09:43:51FromDiscord<hmmm> like my procs used global vars lol
09:43:53FromDiscord<Yardanico> you mean unexported global variables from that module?
09:44:02FromDiscord<Yardanico> then yes, you have to export them to use in another module
09:44:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> or change procedures so they rely less on global state
09:44:18FromDiscord<hmmm> hmmm
09:44:29FromDiscord<hmmm> hmmmmmmmmm
09:44:40FromDiscord<hmmm> I don't want to but the module just became huge
09:45:52FromDiscord<pointystick> If you're just splitting them up because it's too big, you could use 'include' instead
09:46:07FromDiscord<Yardanico> yes but that's not really "splitting"
09:46:33FromDiscord<Yardanico> but if you mentally don't like files with too much code, then yes, it is a viable solution
09:46:49FromDiscord<Yardanico> @pointystick also, it's not that simple
09:47:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> if he wants to split his module in two parts, and both parts use each other
09:47:15FromDiscord<Yardanico> then include won't work
09:50:29FromDiscord<hmmm> yardy on what you said before about exporting vars I don't think I can do that because hmm the main module will import the new one, and there is the dependency of 2 modules that forbids me to importing both at the same time. Basically my understanding is that I can only change the procs signatures so I can send the vars to the second module and get them back. But I might be wrong very wrong ofc lol
09:51:20FromDiscord<Solitude> just write everything in one module, your code is doomed
09:51:24FromDiscord<hmmm> lol
09:51:42FromDiscord<hmmm> ty solibro that was already a fact 😃
09:51:47FromDiscord<hmmm> since it was written by me
09:51:48FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @hmmm "lol": but really, if you want to split your module then you have to rework the code
09:51:56FromDiscord<Yardanico> there's no "simple" solution if it's all interwinded
09:52:08FromDiscord<Yardanico> you either leave it as is, or change the logic of the code so you can separate it into different parts
09:52:20FromDiscord<hmmm> hmm I see
09:52:25FromDiscord<hmmm> ty yardy ❤️
09:57:55FromDiscord<Rika> Globals are awful smh
09:59:18FromDiscord<Yardanico> it depends, but there's no need to abuse them, yes
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10:01:21FromDiscord<Zoom> @hmmm\: you really need to watch that Dijkstra's interview
10:01:22FromDiscord<Zoom> https://youtu.be/mLEOZO1GwVc?t=259
10:22:34PMunchOr you can split them and have a new module that includes part1 and part2
10:22:47PMunchIf you just want to split it in two but keep them as one logical module
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10:54:50PMunchDamn.. I somehow managed to forget about procedure overloads in Nim when writing Futhark..
10:55:08PMunchIt's full of `when not defined()` which will obviously trigger for overloaded procs..
11:35:00PMunchHot damn, I was able to wrap the libcoap C library with Futhark and add destructors and async handling to give it a really nice Nim API :)
11:43:53PMunchWhich means I went from this: http://ix.io/3Ux9/nim to this: http://ix.io/3Uxa/nim
11:45:02PMunchThose do the same thing, the updated version will throw CoapError for all the scenarios which in the first just triggers a cleanup and exit
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12:04:44FromDiscord<Solitude> zamn
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12:21:56PMunchIt's pretty neat :)
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12:55:05FromDiscord<aph> :wow:
12:55:14FromDiscord<aph> that's damn small now
13:02:42PMunchYup, and it ties into the Nim async system now
13:02:56PMunchWhich simplifies my program logic a lot
13:04:36FromDiscord<Phil> I know that feeling
13:04:50FromDiscord<Phil> In a similar vein, the last week of my project consisted of me applying my generic controllers
13:04:55FromDiscord<Phil> And deleting tons of controller and service code
13:06:09PMunchFor the web stuff?
13:07:32FromDiscord<Phil> Yeh
13:08:24FromDiscord<VideoCarp> I ran an algorithm that had ~80-100% CPU usage on several programming languages: C, Rust, Go and F#.↵Surprisingly, Nim only had ~30% CPU usage, and was almost the fastest in terms of time.↵↵Is Nim always this efficient?
13:08:32PMunchautotemplates works pretty well now, maybe the next step is writing autorouter
13:08:57FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @VideoCarp "I ran an algorithm": It always depends on what you do and how you do it
13:09:35FromDiscord<Phil> It's not a "Nim is generally efficient" it's more a "The code that nim tends to guide you towards because it feels 'good' to write that way is particularly efficient on task X"
13:09:38PMunch@VideoCarp, Nim in general is pretty fast, but those numbers seem a bit strange
13:10:11FromDiscord<VideoCarp> In reply to @PMunch "<@725906143272239178>, Nim in general": They're accurate, though. Used operating system to measure usage.
13:10:19FromDiscord<Phil> There are also tasks where the "naive" first draft of code you'd throw in will be slow and you'll need to get fancy
13:10:45PMunch@VideoCarp, what kind of algorithm is it?
13:11:22FromDiscord<VideoCarp> This: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/93ae2e03d25d43dc889e6e0a91def93d
13:12:53FromDiscord<Phil> So you just count up from 0 to large number and echo the large number and the time it took to get there
13:12:56FromDiscord<Phil> hmmm
13:13:47FromDiscord<VideoCarp> In reply to @Isofruit "So you just count": Yes. Not the best benchmark, though obviously.
13:14:42FromDiscord<Valdar> I would expect pretty much any compiled language would get you similar results
13:16:30FromDiscord<Valdar> No idea about the CPU usage discrepancy though, unless the others were threaded?
13:16:46FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @VideoCarp "Yes. Not the best": any decent C compiler will optimize this to a constant value if you compile with -O1 and up
13:16:54FromDiscord<Yardanico> so --opt:speed or -d:release or -d:danger with Nim
13:17:05FromDiscord<Yardanico> so it's totally pointless to benchmark this
13:17:17FromDiscord<VideoCarp> wdym?
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13:17:46PMunchA compiler will see that you're not actually doing any work in that loop and just optimise the whole thing away
13:17:51PMunchOr at least it could
13:17:52FromDiscord<Yardanico> ah yeah, sorry, misunderstood the code
13:17:54FromDiscord<Yardanico> PMunch is right
13:18:16FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @PMunch "For the web stuff?": Aaaaaaaaalll of these are mostly me deleting the corresponding <X>Controller.nim file and deleting 90% of the code in the corresponding <X>Service.nim file https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/961615897993306242/unknown.png
13:18:50FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @VideoCarp "wdym?": yeah sorry PMunch is right, in your case the C compiler will see that it can just remove the while loop without changing the behaviour of the program
13:19:15FromDiscord<VideoCarp> wait so it is not actually running these operations?
13:19:22FromDiscord<Yardanico> of course not
13:19:31FromDiscord<Yardanico> C compilers are quite smart nowadays
13:19:41FromDiscord<Yardanico> well, unless you compile without any optimizations enabled, but that is also pointless
13:19:42FromDiscord<VideoCarp> that says a lot.↵but why does it take 600 milliseconds?
13:19:52FromDiscord<VideoCarp> (edit) "milliseconds?" => "milliseconds with optimizations?"
13:19:52FromDiscord<Yardanico> how are you compiling?
13:20:04FromDiscord<Yardanico> if you're just doing `nim c file.nim` then there are no optimizations
13:20:06FromDiscord<VideoCarp> optimized nim compile
13:20:16FromDiscord<VideoCarp> i forgot the command
13:20:27FromDiscord<VideoCarp> but it is not just that
13:20:36FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @VideoCarp "that says a lot.": are you sure it's 600ms?
13:20:37FromDiscord<Phil> You can do d:release and d:danger
13:20:43FromDiscord<Phil> there's also different GC's
13:20:43FromDiscord<Yardanico> for me it showed `4.529999999999985e-05` with -d:danger
13:21:19FromDiscord<VideoCarp> In reply to @Yardanico "are you sure it's": it showed 0.6
13:21:27FromDiscord<Phil> Though I don't think the GC's would have a large impact here I don't think. I say that as a naive simpleton so I'm happy to get educated on that one
13:21:42FromDiscord<Yardanico> yeah you're right @Phil, the GC here has minimal impact
13:21:51FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @VideoCarp "it showed 0.6": so did you compile with `nim c -d:danger file.nim` ?
13:22:07FromDiscord<Yardanico> ah right I think i know
13:22:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> you compiled with `--opt:speed`
13:22:18FromDiscord<VideoCarp> yes that
13:22:20FromDiscord<Yardanico> that makes Nim pass -O3 to the C compiler, but all Nim optimizations are disabled
13:22:24FromDiscord<Yardanico> so you still have the stack traces and stuff
13:22:29FromDiscord<Yardanico> so it's much slower still
13:22:41FromDiscord<Yardanico> and maybe the C compiler didn't manage to optimize away the loop with all those stack traces enabled
13:23:16FromDiscord<Yardanico> ah yeah it's the safety checks that are preventing the C compiler from optimizing it
13:23:37FromDiscord<Yardanico> with -d:release the time is about the same as with --opt:speed (2-3x faster), but with `-d:danger` it's magnitudes faster
13:24:03FromDiscord<Yardanico> but again, that's not a good way to benchmark stuff :) you should make something that makes real external computations
13:24:17FromDiscord<Yardanico> although I still think that microbenchmarks are mostly pointless, there are repos like https://github.com/kostya/benchmarks
13:24:43FromDiscord<Yardanico> for example brainfuck https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/961617519532212244/unknown.png
13:26:04FromDiscord<Phil> Given how simple writing nim code can be, the performance is a bit crazy
13:26:20FromDiscord<Yardanico> the fact that these benchmarks have to read external input is what makes the benchmarks at least somewhat reliable
13:26:34FromDiscord<Yardanico> the C compiler can't just optimize the whole computation away for the result
13:27:37FromDiscord<Phil> Naturally it gets harder the more features of nim you use with all the pragmas but those are features that you can very well grow into
13:27:56FromDiscord<Yardanico> if I input 999999999 it takes 0.000111 on my machine
13:28:00FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uxt
13:28:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> ah right i'm stupid
13:28:39FromDiscord<Yardanico> it can still optimize the loop away here :P
13:28:53FromDiscord<Yardanico> and I need to move `guess` declaration above `t0` so it's not counted towards the total runtime
13:29:44FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uxu
13:30:07FromDiscord<Yardanico> it gives 30-40 microseconds for me for any number input
13:30:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uxu" => "https://paste.rs/aXD"
13:30:41FromDiscord<Yardanico> also yeah, monotimes are a better way to measure time than cpuTime, also you get pretty output of the difference if you import both times and monotimes
13:30:44FromDiscord<Yardanico> "Time: 31 microseconds and 640 nanoseconds"
13:33:45FromDiscord<Valdar> Is there an idiomatic syntax for an enumin Nim? all lowercase, all upper, first letter caps? I've seen it all these ways from different sources
13:34:20FromDiscord<Valdar> (edit) "enumin" => "enum in"
13:34:35FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Valdar "Is there an idiomatic": nep-1 does mention enums, but pure vs non-pure difference is quite small nowadays
13:34:36FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/961620006511214592/unknown.png
13:34:38FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://nim-lang.org/docs/nep1.html
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13:34:55FromDiscord<Yardanico> but generally this is still followed in stdlib and outside of it
13:36:13FromDiscord<Valdar> ah, OK. what is the 'pure' specification mean?
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13:36:28FromDiscord<aph> In reply to @Valdar "ah, OK. what is": won't collide if there's same name
13:37:17FromDiscord<aph> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uxz
13:37:25FromDiscord<Yardanico> well, that's not exactly a correct description :)
13:37:28FromDiscord<Yardanico> "An enum type can be marked as pure. Then access of its fields always requires full qualification."
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13:37:39FromDiscord<Yardanico> but nowadays you don't need for qualification for pure enums
13:37:49FromDiscord<Yardanico> so it became what aph describes
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13:39:16FromDiscord<Valdar> Got it, thx. That actually kinda follows the snippets that I've seen as for the full qualification
13:39:45FromDiscord<Yardanico> the Nim manual generally has a lot of information, but it's quite big :)
13:39:47FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#pragmas-pure-pragma
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13:49:36FromDiscord<Valdar> I go back and read over that stuff till it hurts my brain, then I leave it till I feel brave again 🙂
13:49:57FromDiscord<Phil> The "best practice" I've seen so far is prefix the individual choices with the enum acronym
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13:50:51FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3UxA
13:51:16PMunch@Phil, ugh why would you do that?
13:51:32FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3UxC" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3UxB"
13:51:53FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @PMunch "<@180601887916163073>, ugh why would": IIRC that's the way it's often done in the std libs... I know I've seen this before in a lot of code that wasn't mine
13:52:31PMunchI can vaguely remember seeing that for some C wrapping stuff
13:52:37PMunchI wouldn't put that in my code
13:53:02FromDiscord<Valdar> They do it here https://nim-by-example.github.io/types/enums/
13:53:15FromDiscord<auxym> it's nep-1 convention for non-pure enums
13:53:59FromDiscord<Solitude> In reply to @PMunch "<@180601887916163073>, ugh why would": i do that and i hate it. when enumOverloading becomes default im removing prefixes from all my enums
13:54:12FromDiscord<Phil> Look, I have no room to judge
13:54:26FromDiscord<Phil> I do enums in all uppercase and separating words with `_`
13:54:37FromDiscord<Phil> Pascal case it was called I think?
13:54:41FromDiscord<Solitude> you could've kept this a secret
13:54:55FromDiscord<Phil> But then you wouldn't be cringing in front of your monitor
13:55:06FromDiscord<Phil> That would be a loss for the world
13:55:26PMunchAll uppercase and underscores are SCREAMING_CASE
13:55:44PMunchPascalCase is like camelCase but with the first character also uppercase
13:55:52FromDiscord<Phil> Ah, check
13:56:00FromDiscord<Phil> MY_ENUMS_SCREAM_AT_YOU
13:56:22FromDiscord<Valdar> In reply to @Isofruit "Pascal case it was": Pascal case is different. basically just uppercase for each 'word' in the name
13:56:47nrds<Prestige99> I like screaming case for enums
13:57:03FromDiscord<Valdar> like PascalCase
13:57:07PMunchDitto
13:57:16FromDiscord<Phil> Pascal case reserved for types
13:57:16PMunchPascalCase that is
13:57:27FromDiscord<Yardanico> i like PascalCase for enums and constants
13:57:46FromDiscord<Solitude> yeah?
13:58:29FromDiscord<Valdar> Pascal case works for it. I was just looking at the assimp wrapper and that is how it's used there
13:58:34FromDiscord<Rika> i dont use scream case, pascal case reserved for types, camel case for anything else is how i go
13:58:54FromDiscord<Rika> i guess pascal goes on enum vals too
13:59:26FromDiscord<Valdar> Screaming case is for constants as well, is it not?
13:59:47FromDiscord<Yardanico> screaming case is discouraged in Nim fwiw
14:00:00FromDiscord<Yardanico> i mean if you want to write idiomatic nim :P
14:00:05FromDiscord<Yardanico> of course no one stops you from using screaming case
14:00:06FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Valdar "Screaming case is for": your choice
14:00:37FromDiscord<Valdar> In reply to @Yardanico "screaming case is discouraged": I'm fine with no scream case. it's UGGGLY
14:00:43FromDiscord<Yardanico> classic quote from nep1
14:00:44FromDiscord<Yardanico> "For constants coming from a C/C++ wrapper, ALL_UPPERCASE are allowed, but ugly. (Why shout CONSTANT? Constants do no harm, variables do!)"
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14:01:04FromDiscord<Yardanico> also "In the age of HTTP, HTML, FTP, TCP, IP, UTF, WWW it is foolish to pretend these are somewhat special words requiring all uppercase. Instead treat them as what they are: Real words. So it's parseUrl rather than parseURL, checkHttpHeader instead of checkHTTPHeader etc."
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14:05:48FromDiscord<Rika> i pronounce "Url" like urn xdd
14:06:40FromDiscord<Valdar> Well, those are technically not words, but acronyms, so that's kinda apple/oranges
14:07:18FromDiscord<Rika> yeah
14:07:23nrds<Prestige99> The main thing I dislike from nep1 is having enum names like nnkFoo where nnk is short for the name of the enum
14:07:55FromDiscord<Rika> well that's only for now while we dont have overloadable enums, and technically not needed either because you can always qualify the enum without using pure
14:08:26nrds<Prestige99> Yeah, I've stopped using that style
14:09:57FromDiscord<Valdar> For me, I just like to be able to look at the code and realize that I'm calling a proc with an enum rather than thinking it's a variable
14:11:26FromDiscord<aph> how to check if a value is not yet modified, or which approach should i take to make it be able to check that this thing is modified (yes confusing, i'm not sure how to phrase this properly)
14:11:46FromDiscord<aph> like `0.0` `0` `""` `nil` etc
14:12:15FromDiscord<Rika> you cant check if something is modified since it might have been modified into the default value, unless you dont mind that
14:12:43FromDiscord<Rika> `default(Type)` gives you the default value of that type so you could do `if val != default(val.typeof)`
14:12:52FromDiscord<aph> ohh
14:13:03FromDiscord<aph> I haven't thought of that it'll be the default value
14:13:07FromDiscord<aph> maybe I'll use an array
14:13:13FromDiscord<aph> ¯\\_(ツ)\_/¯
14:13:35FromDiscord<Rika> you could use options here
14:15:08FromDiscord<aph> how do i change the default value? i think maybe changing it to something unreachable will do
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14:21:12FromDiscord<aph> oh probably `newObj` I'll test later. thanks rika!
14:24:01FromDiscord<jmgomez> Is anyone on here using vscode?
14:24:44FromDiscord<aph> In reply to @jmgomez "Is anyone on here": ✋
14:24:55FromDiscord<aph> I use saem's extension for nim
14:25:25FromDiscord<jmgomez> In MacOs I got the linter working, when on windows and WSL (ubuntu) or regular windows it doesnt work. In regular windows even autocomplete doesnt work.. So wanted to ask, does the linter (nim check) works for you?
14:26:46FromDiscord<aph> idk, mine doesn't have autocomplete at all
14:27:18FromDiscord<jmgomez> :/
14:27:26FromDiscord<jmgomez> what platform are you using?
14:28:55FromDiscord<Valdar> Auto complete doesn't work well, or sometimes not at all.
14:29:28FromDiscord<Valdar> VSCode's suggestions are just annoying anyway
14:29:34FromDiscord<Phil> On linux, you get some level of autocomplete but the linter I haven't ever gotten to work
14:29:56FromDiscord<jmgomez> That's too bad.. in macos everything to work kinda fine
14:30:20FromDiscord<jmgomez> (edit) removed "to"
14:30:57nrds<Prestige99> what linter?
14:31:24FromDiscord<Valdar> At least 'Go To Definition' usually works (in my case), but I'd love it if I could get code complete to work
14:32:00FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @nrds "<Prestige> what linter?": nim check (which it isnt a linter but they call it linter in the extension)
14:32:18nrds<Prestige99> ah
14:32:44FromDiscord<xflywind> it works for me on windows and wsl2.
14:33:15FromDiscord<Valdar> In reply to @nrds "<Prestige> what linter?": How is it not a linter?
14:33:51FromDiscord<xflywind> In reply to @jmgomez "In MacOs I got": what about running `nim check` on command line?
14:33:52nrds<Prestige99> Didn't know what linter they were referring to
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14:34:02FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @flywind "it works for me": Im in wsl 1. But do you have the linter working too? Like this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/961634961872531466/Screenshot_2022-04-07_at_15.33.02.png
14:34:20nrds<Prestige99> I have that working ^
14:34:28FromDiscord<Valdar> In reply to @flywind "it works for me": it used to work for me too, at least sometimes. I think maybe I buggered my VSCode settings by turning off some popup stuff
14:35:13FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @nrds "<Prestige> I have that": where?
14:35:50FromDiscord<xflywind> In reply to @jmgomez "Im in wsl 1.": https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/961635419294924840/unknown.png
14:35:52FromDiscord<Valdar> yeah, warnings and errors work
14:36:27FromDiscord<Valdar> code completion doesn't, at least for me
14:37:55FromDiscord<jmgomez> I have the opposite in WSL 1. Code completion working and the linter doesnt
14:38:35FromDiscord<jmgomez> I think I will end up virtualizing mac os on windows as a patch just for have everything working
14:38:47FromDiscord<jmgomez> (edit) "for" => "to"
14:38:54FromDiscord<xflywind> In reply to @jmgomez "I have the opposite": the extension just calls `nim check`. Can you execute `nim check yourfile.nim` on command line?
14:39:15FromDiscord<xflywind> (edit) "In reply to @jmgomez "I have the opposite": the extension just calls `nim check`. Can you execute `nim check yourfile.nim` ... on" added "successfully"
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14:39:55FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @flywind "the extension just calls": yes
14:40:35FromDiscord<xflywind> which extension do you use?
14:40:36FromDiscord<huantian> Doesn’t vscode extension normally use c and check is used instead when enabled
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14:42:14FromDiscord<xflywind> In reply to @Valdar "code completion doesn't, at": code completions work for me. But nimsuggest comsume too much memory. So I disable it in settings. You can also use Tabnine for autocomplete.
14:43:01FromDiscord<jmgomez> Does tab nine works better than copilot?
14:43:03FromDiscord<spoon> tabnine?? does the ai suggest stuff from libraries?
14:43:28FromDiscord<Generic> In reply to @jmgomez "Does tab nine works": in my experience it's about par or worse
14:43:34FromDiscord<spoon> In reply to @jmgomez "Does tab nine works": havent used tabnine in like a year because it didnt work, maybe its better now
14:43:41FromDiscord<spoon> but copilots been pretty good
14:44:17FromDiscord<jmgomez> indieed. it surprised me a couple of times, sometimes it introduces python in the code but it's quite good
14:44:22FromDiscord<jmgomez> (edit) "indieed." => "indeed."
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14:49:51FromDiscord<Valdar> you have to have an account with tab nine?
14:51:25FromDiscord<jmgomez> okay, got it working in WSL by switching extensions
14:51:39FromDiscord<jmgomez> (both linter and autocomplete)
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15:17:55FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @jmgomez "Does tab nine works": not sure, but in most cases copilot also shows up Python suggestions for Nim
15:17:57FromDiscord<Yardanico> or even some other languages
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15:55:53FromDiscord<aph> In reply to @jmgomez "what platform are you": whoops, sorry! didn't check messages. it's windows
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16:32:11FromDiscord<felix_lipski> I installed the nim.vim plugin, but I don't want the `make` building feature, because it conflicts with my current vim scripts. Does anyone know of a way of disabling it without building the plugin from source?
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16:37:23FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uyj
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16:50:12FromDiscord<Solitude> drop `= 1` and it looks alrigth
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17:23:10FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uyr
17:23:28FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Uyr" => "https://paste.rs/0Tp"
17:23:39FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> @Solitude but then i have to specify an ugly generic even when i dont need it
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17:29:48FromDiscord<Rika> `type SimBody1 = SimBody[1]`
17:45:34FromDiscord<jmgomez> is there a way to skip noSideEffects inside a func (to debug) so it doesnt propagate up?
17:46:07Amun-RaElegantbeef: ping
17:47:03FromDiscord<ynfle> In reply to @jmgomez "is there a way": Yes
17:47:06Amun-Rajmgomez: if you debug with echo use debugEcho instead
17:47:57FromDiscord<jmgomez> yes! thanks
17:48:33Amun-RaI thought you were doing that ;> been there done that
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17:58:43FromDiscord<Solitude> In reply to @Recruit_main707 "<@104136074569211904> but then i": yes, you have to. there are no "generic defaults".
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18:05:28FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> In reply to @Rika "`type SimBody1* = SimBody[1]`": thanks
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18:18:21FromDiscord<jmgomez> I have a file with functions in nimble_root/src/file and I want to import it in a file from nimble_root/tests/test1.nim how can I import it?
18:18:29FromDiscord<Yardanico> import ../src/file
18:18:33FromDiscord<Yardanico> but there's a better way
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18:18:49FromDiscord<Yardanico> when you do `nimble init`, nimble automatically sets up a nim.cfg which sets the projectPath to a correct folder so you can import stuff without relative paths
18:19:05FromDiscord<Yardanico> this is how nimble does it - https://github.com/treeform/jsony/blob/master/tests/config.nims
18:19:58FromDiscord<jmgomez> that's perfect! Thanks @Yardanico
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18:32:32FromDiscord<jmgomez> can you specify to the nim compiler what config.nims to use via a parameter? I need a task that will feed different parameters to the compiler based on the environment
18:34:23FromDiscord<ynfle> What do you mean by the environment?
18:34:41FromDiscord<ynfle> You can have `when` and `if` statement in the config.nims
18:34:45FromDiscord<ynfle> I'm pretty sure
18:35:30FromDiscord<jmgomez> yeah, but I already have the config.nims for the build target and I have a custom task that does an exec for building a library
18:36:21FromDiscord<jmgomez> I would like to specify a specific file just for that case (I quite new to nim so if you feel there is a better way to approach it, pls let me know)
18:36:28FromDiscord<jmgomez> (edit) "(I" => "(Im"
18:37:05FromDiscord<ynfle> What is the different case?
18:37:09FromDiscord<ynfle> Debug versus release?
18:37:13FromDiscord<ynfle> Staged versus prod?
18:38:54Amun-Rajmgomez: when compiling foo.nim nim will try to read foo.nim.cfg, perhaps this will help
18:39:07FromDiscord<jmgomez> no, one is building a executable and the other is building a library. For the library, I want to do custom stuff like for example notice if the dll is currently being used from another program
18:39:33FromDiscord<ynfle> Do you have separate nimble commands?
18:39:42FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @ynfle "Do you have separate": yes
18:39:51FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @Amun-Ra "<@726017160115126333>: when compiling foo.nim": thanks but it wont 😦
18:40:04FromDiscord<ynfle> So what do you want to differentiate in the config file
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18:41:03FromDiscord<jmgomez> I want to change the compiler options based on the enviroment, for example the parameter --out or the passC: one
18:43:05FromDiscord<ynfle> You can just specify those in your nimble task
18:43:15FromDiscord<ynfle> It doesn't have to be in the config.nims
18:43:58FromDiscord<ynfle> Or, you can do `-d:binary` or `-d:dll` and have a when statement in your config.nims
18:44:17Amun-Rajmgomez: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3UyM
18:44:22Amun-Rasomething like this?
18:45:12FromDiscord<jmgomez> more elaborate, because it has to look into the filesystem and do stuff like
18:45:25FromDiscord<jmgomez> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3UyN
18:46:20FromDiscord<jmgomez> I think a config.nims could do it
18:46:29FromDiscord<jmgomez> but that's already taken
18:46:33Amun-RaI wonder if there's a way of checking app type in nim.cfg
18:46:43FromDiscord<ynfle> In reply to @jmgomez "but that's already taken": Why?
18:46:46Amun-Rait should be doable in config.nims
18:46:57FromDiscord<jmgomez> because of the nimble build
18:47:11FromDiscord<jmgomez> can I differentiate between tasks inside it?
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19:18:33FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> case statements check for multiple things at one, something like: ` case (this.shape, that.shape):`?
19:19:59Amun-Raonly ordinals, floats or strings
19:20:28FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Recruit_main707 "case statements check for": you need a pattern matching library for that
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22:11:02nrds<Prestige99> Is there a way to have nimble install a branch of a package when given a github link?
22:11:13nrds<Prestige99> I tried but got "Error: 'hg' not in PATH`
22:12:28nrds<Prestige99> hmm https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/issues/715#issuecomment-535276021
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22:18:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What's the point of the version if you're hard requiring a commit
22:19:01nrds<Prestige99> just wanted to try installing a branch
22:19:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah you arent doing a hard commit?
22:19:27nrds<Prestige99> trying to test out nimble install on my package, changing stuff in my .nimble file to see how it behaves
22:19:32nrds<Prestige99> nah
22:19:46nrds<Prestige99> but have to do it on the master branch I guess
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22:39:34nrds<Prestige99> finally got it working, super janky but oh well
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