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| 00:05:27 | FromDiscord | <treeform> that we did |
| 00:06:55 | disruptek | anyone else here use the kitty terminal emulator? |
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| 00:13:07 | sealmove | με |
| 00:13:10 | sealmove | me* |
| 00:13:34 | sealmove | but only because it can render images with ranger wm nicely |
| 00:13:46 | sealmove | i don't use half of the features it provides lol |
| 00:14:02 | disruptek | oh, you use icat? |
| 00:17:33 | disruptek | i was gonna have golden output runtime graphs (PNG) to the kitty console but it looks like nimetry doesn't work. |
| 00:18:26 | Pistos | sealmove: treeform: Yes, I found out about Nim because of posts on Lobsters and Hacker News. |
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| 00:19:07 | sealmove | disruptek: probably, it says "kitty image protocol, requires python PIL or pillow library". |
| 00:19:38 | disruptek | i think it's treeform's font code that broke nimetry. |
| 00:19:55 | sealmove | nimentry? |
| 00:20:10 | sealmove | Pistos: great :-) welcome! |
| 00:20:20 | disruptek | https://github.com/benjif/nimetry |
| 00:21:06 | sealmove | but it's only ~300 loc, can't you fix it? :P |
| 00:21:48 | disruptek | probably; it's seeming to hang at the moment. |
| 00:24:59 | sealmove | proc addGraph*(p: Plot, d: Dataset, s: GraphStyle, c: ColorRGBA = rgba(255, 0, 0, 255)) = |
| 00:25:01 | sealmove | p.graphs.add(Graph(data: d, style: s, color: c)) |
| 00:25:17 | sealmove | does it have to be `p: var Plot` since you use add? |
| 00:29:05 | sealmove | might be related to: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/1685 |
| 00:30:33 | disruptek | typical in nim |
| 00:31:48 | disruptek | guess i will debug it. |
| 00:34:48 | disruptek | i dunno how people write code like this. |
| 00:36:58 | disruptek | i guess i'm just not smart enough. to me, it's practically garbage. |
| 00:43:38 | sealmove | one thing Nim can't enforce is code quality |
| 00:44:17 | disruptek | it's something to do with making the x axis ticks i think. |
| 00:47:57 | disruptek | well, nim could enforce code quality. |
| 00:48:05 | disruptek | that'd be kinda interesting, actually. |
| 00:48:27 | sealmove | how? |
| 00:48:43 | disruptek | run a test on the code and don't build a binary if it fails. |
| 00:50:25 | sealmove | internally by the compiler? or user-defined tests (we already have those)? |
| 00:50:30 | disruptek | internally. |
| 00:50:40 | sealmove | i see, hmm |
| 00:50:57 | disruptek | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclomatic_complexity |
| 00:51:34 | sealmove | Indeed sounds interesting. I am pretty sure Araq would have no problem to hide it under a compiler switch. |
| 00:51:41 | disruptek | even a very modest requirement would prevent a lot of headscratching. |
| 00:51:45 | sealmove | If someone is willing to implement it |
| 00:52:14 | sealmove | Sounds like a great thesis lol |
| 00:52:18 | disruptek | i think my problem is that my x axis values are too small. |
| 00:52:45 | disruptek | which is ridiculous. |
| 00:53:18 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Oh no not cyclomatic complexity |
| 00:53:28 | FromDiscord | <Rika> It doesn't work too well afaik |
| 00:54:07 | FromDiscord | <Rika> I think sonarcube's cognitive complexity works a bit better but |
| 00:54:27 | disruptek | it doesn't have to work well to prevent dogshit. |
| 00:59:07 | FromDiscord | <Rika> It doesn't just prevent dogshit, it can prevent good code too |
| 00:59:13 | FromDiscord | <Rika> That's why I said it doesn't work too well |
| 00:59:22 | disruptek | the problem was that i was trying to graph a bar graph with one bar in it. |
| 01:00:23 | FromDiscord | <Rika> What happened |
| 01:00:25 | sealmove | hum |
| 01:00:49 | disruptek | i can fix it but first i gotta figure out why kitty won't output the image. |
| 01:02:33 | disruptek | images in the console. such a hack, but i love it. |
| 01:03:22 | sealmove | virtual terminals have come a long way |
| 01:03:23 | FromDiscord | <Rika> https://github.com/brentp/nim-plotly how about this one |
| 01:03:45 | sealmove | they carry relic concepts but still managed to get modern features |
| 01:04:05 | disruptek | i read that as `mangled` and nodded my head. |
| 01:04:30 | disruptek | i probably should use brent's stuff. |
| 01:04:33 | disruptek | he's active. |
| 01:05:22 | disruptek | yeah, that looks much nicer, too. thanks for digging it up. |
| 01:05:39 | sealmove | nim-plotly looks awesome :O |
| 01:08:28 | disruptek | oh, but this creates web-pages that i then have to visit. |
| 01:08:32 | disruptek | pfffbt. |
| 01:09:42 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Wtf |
| 01:09:48 | FromDiscord | <Rika> I thought they were just images |
| 01:09:53 | FromDiscord | <Rika> What the hellllllll |
| 01:09:54 | sealmove | irrelevant but, is there any style guide or something for order of constructs? for example obviously imports usually go first, then types, etc. |
| 01:10:52 | disruptek | there's a thing called the NEP-1 but i'm not sure it specifies order. most of the order decisions are made for you by the compiler. |
| 01:11:17 | disruptek | you can use code reordering, but i don't think it makes sense in virtually all cases. |
| 01:11:48 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Always thought plotly was about images |
| 01:12:12 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Nep Nep~ Nepu |
| 01:12:23 | sealmove | code reordering changes your source file? |
| 01:12:30 | disruptek | nah. |
| 01:12:48 | sealmove | i don't like code reordering |
| 01:14:09 | FromDiscord | <juan_carlos> Ive seen code reordering enabled on the wild. I guess is kinda stable. |
| 01:14:54 | disruptek | kitty images might never work. it's basically a hack that uses console escapes to forward commands to the terminal. |
| 01:18:00 | sealmove | but what is really the benefit of code reordering? avoiding forward declaration? or having more freedom (invites inconsistent style) |
| 01:18:26 | disruptek | okay, it works, but the graph sucks. 😁 |
| 01:20:13 | FromDiscord | <juan_carlos> Yeah, no forward declaration AFAIK, I guess thats why is behind a switch, I dunno if embebed dev can have lots of forward declaration maybe?, I dunno. |
| 01:20:52 | FromDiscord | <juan_carlos> Like for IoThingies |
| 01:23:09 | disruptek | those are my favorite. |
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| 01:24:13 | sealmove | with good code you rarely need forward declarations. i don't know about embedded, could make sense there, yes |
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| 01:25:45 | FromDiscord | <juan_carlos> I guess forward declaration can create lots of empty objects which on embedded may not be always ideal. |
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| 01:28:22 | FromDiscord | <juan_carlos> Something that would be really cool to do is, make a Nim GUI lib based on Godot, if you open Godot editor, thats all Godot widgets, and runs on lots of hardware, if you just ignore all game stuff, api for GUI only is simple and uses C/C++. 🤔 |
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| 01:29:38 | disruptek | i don't know why we don't make better use of graphics in our development environments. |
| 01:30:00 | sealmove | what do you mean? |
| 01:30:17 | FromDiscord | <juan_carlos> It even has an IDE widget. Uses Vulkan. |
| 01:31:08 | disruptek | i want to listen to my code, for one thing. |
| 01:31:19 | disruptek | also i want to be able to visualize it. |
| 01:31:33 | disruptek | but, listening to it will be easier for me to impl. |
| 01:32:09 | FromDiscord | <juan_carlos> SuperCollider 🎶 |
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| 01:34:15 | rayman22201 | @disruptek, I agree with you. We need more visualizations in coding... |
| 01:34:26 | disruptek | a long time ago in a job far away, i built a tool that played sounds according to network events. |
| 01:34:55 | disruptek | was pretty great for just listening to my network to know that it was running "right". |
| 01:34:57 | rayman22201 | did you write a blog about it? That sounds vaguely familiar to me? |
| 01:35:11 | disruptek | we presented it at a lisa. |
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| 01:36:07 | disruptek | look up michael gilfix (the student) and "peep: network auralizer" or some such. |
| 01:36:54 | rayman22201 | oh yeah! it was on HN a while back. very cool project! |
| 01:37:05 | disruptek | really? |
| 01:37:32 | rayman22201 | yeah, It was a long time ago, over a year I think, but it got some good traction IIRC |
| 01:38:02 | disruptek | i don't know anyone else that ran it. |
| 01:38:35 | disruptek | it was just something in my dept far as i know. but it was good for the student. people loved it at lisa. really fun to listen to a network. |
| 01:38:51 | rayman22201 | It really is a clever idea |
| 01:39:22 | rayman22201 | If anybody has a minute and a Windows box, can you run the async test suite in testament on this PR: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/12371 |
| 01:40:34 | disruptek | no windows, sorry. |
| 01:41:38 | rayman22201 | thanks anyway :/ |
| 01:41:48 | disruptek | this was something we built in like 2002 or thereabouts. |
| 01:42:34 | disruptek | maybe 2000. i dunno, a long time ago. like, early linux audio and mixing it all up ourselves. pita. |
| 01:44:34 | rayman22201 | Sometimes older stuff gets pushed up to the top of HN. Some neat stuff comes up occasionally :-P |
| 01:44:49 | disruptek | that's true, and that would definitely be a good candidate. |
| 01:53:00 | shashlick | @rayman22201 - still need that test? |
| 01:54:39 | rayman22201 | yes please |
| 01:54:55 | rayman22201 | hard to fix something I can't repro :/ |
| 01:56:06 | shashlick | ok so open PR, rebuild koch, nim and tools, then testament? |
| 01:56:12 | shashlick | or is it in stdlib |
| 01:56:33 | rayman22201 | stdlib, so no need to rebuild everything |
| 01:56:39 | rayman22201 | just use the stdlib from the PR |
| 01:57:06 | rayman22201 | and you only need to run a single test `async/testmanyasyncevents.nim` |
| 01:57:31 | rayman22201 | #naming is the hardest thing in programming |
| 01:58:25 | disruptek | heh |
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| 03:34:28 | shashlick | @rayman22201 - `PASS: tests/async/testmanyasyncevents.nim C ( 3.10961199 secs)` |
| 03:35:18 | rayman22201 | Wth is going on with Azure? |
| 03:35:47 | rayman22201 | Thanks @shashlick |
| 03:37:01 | shashlick | no problem |
| 03:37:34 | shashlick | azure pipelines sure looks cool |
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| 03:53:40 | rayman22201 | Cool, fast, beautiful... except it fails on my test for some unknown reason 😝 |
| 03:54:13 | rayman22201 | That's ok. I am now drinking my pains away lol |
| 03:56:28 | shashlick | just crawled out of the nimterop / nimarchive hole I was in since @disruptek wanted a libgit2 wrapper which promptly found inefficiencies in nimterop |
| 03:56:44 | shashlick | now i'm mad enough to setup a CI for nimgit2 with its own dozen failures |
| 04:03:09 | rayman22201 | And the circle of life continues |
| 04:03:45 | shashlick | i'm just going to release 0.2.0 and nimarchive 0.3.0 |
| 04:03:48 | shashlick | enough is enough |
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| 04:40:52 | FromGitter | <kvinwang> Hi, there. I'am trying to port the GPT2 model with arraymancer. And there is a matmul OP there. Arraymancer's matmul requires tensors to be a Matrix or Vector. But the q,k,v in GPT2 are batches of matixes. It there a way to do batch matmul in arraymancer? |
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| 04:53:31 | FromDiscord | <badassiel> any idea how to decompose string to bitset of chars? |
| 04:54:15 | yumaikas | I don't think you could do that? |
| 04:55:29 | yumaikas | Or, at least, you'd probably run into bit-width issues, no? |
| 04:58:39 | yumaikas | badassiel: Could you give a *little* more detail? |
| 05:07:53 | FromGitter | <kvinwang> > Hi, there. I'am trying to port the GPT2 model with arraymancer. And there is a matmul OP there. Arraymancer's matmul requires tensors to be a Matrix or Vector. But the q,k,v in GPT2 are batches of matixes. It there a way to do batch matmul in arraymancer? ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` ⏎ ⏎ The q and k are batches of n heads of matixes here. @mratsim Any idea? [https |
| 05:07:54 | FromGitter | ... ://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5d9ac829940b4c2fc08b762f] |
| 05:08:34 | * | yumaikas is not any sort of export with arraymancer |
| 05:27:13 | FromGitter | <kvinwang> Ohh, I can reshape them into 2 big matixes. |
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| 06:33:17 | yumaikas | So, I gather that htmlgen isn't maintained any longer? Are there any recommendations as to what to use instead? |
| 06:39:09 | Araq | htmlgen is maintained |
| 06:39:19 | Araq | we updated it for v1 |
| 06:39:34 | Araq | but the better alternative is "native karax" |
| 06:40:08 | Araq | https://github.com/pragmagic/karax/blob/master/tests/nativehtmlgen.nim |
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| 06:48:45 | Zevv | Oi Araq: how are the muscles holding up today? |
| 06:51:35 | FromDiscord | <kameleon> Hello! Is anyone here doing graphics programming using Vulkan in Nim? If so, I would be interested in finding well maintained bindings supporting Vulkan 1.1. Or am I better off interfacing with C/C++ myself? |
| 06:51:54 | FromDiscord | <kameleon> Hello! Is anyone here doing graphics programming using Vulkan in Nim? If so, I would be interested in finding well maintained bindings supporting Vulkan 1.1. Or am I better off interfacing with Vulkan C/C++ API myself? |
| 06:52:40 | Araq | I'd update the existing Vulkan bindings |
| 06:53:01 | Araq | Zevv: well I can walk |
| 06:53:20 | Araq | and nothing hurts much, everything a little |
| 06:53:41 | Zevv | good job! |
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| 06:57:23 | Araq | yeah, should have run faster, didn't touch my "limit" :P |
| 06:57:24 | FromDiscord | <kameleon> Araq: Thanks! That's of course a good practice. A quick search indicates that this is the most popular choice: https://github.com/nimious/vulkan. I'm actually very new to the Nim ecosystem. I'm coming from a C & Rust background looking for an alternative. |
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| 07:00:44 | Araq | bll |
| 07:00:46 | Araq | bbl |
| 07:01:30 | yumaikas | Araq: native karax? That sounds interesting |
| 07:03:03 | yumaikas | Also, I can make a PR, but I don't see any mention on Jester of how 1.0 affects it? |
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| 07:06:57 | * | yumaikas will have to look into how to use the server-side parts of karaxdsl |
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| 07:24:41 | leorize | rayman22201: azure is known for tripping a lot on async tests on windows |
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| 07:38:23 | FromGitter | <alehander42> anything new |
| 07:38:34 | FromGitter | <alehander42> since saturday |
| 07:38:54 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i see orm talks, new users and araq running around a random german city 40 km for some reason |
| 07:40:23 | FromGitter | <alehander42> wow and the z3 thing looks interesting |
| 07:42:10 | lqdev[m] | what, somebody ported z3 over to Nim or what? |
| 07:42:58 | FromGitter | <alehander42> https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/5289 |
| 07:43:45 | FromGitter | <alehander42> this might be better than a typestate pattern for some things |
| 07:44:00 | FromGitter | <alehander42> interesting to see an example |
| 07:45:19 | FromGitter | <alehander42> zah linked me some typestate links and i got interested in expressing "temporal" relationships (e.g. this type can be used only after this other thing happened changing this type to this state) |
| 07:45:35 | FromGitter | <alehander42> can one express that with z3 |
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| 08:22:31 | Zevv | lqdev[m]: https://github.com/zevv/nimz3 |
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| 08:26:28 | FromGitter | <alehander42> zevv, what is z3 most useful for |
| 08:27:19 | Zevv | nasty Advent of Code puzzles |
| 08:28:08 | Zevv | and solving sudokus |
| 08:33:06 | FromGitter | <alehander42> very future |
| 08:33:27 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i was trying to make a z3 model for something i remember |
| 08:34:01 | FromGitter | <alehander42> oh no this was tla |
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| 08:54:02 | Zevv | on a serious note; z3 should be able to help proving code, withing limitations. I did some experiments with macros unrolling bounded loops and feeding each iteration to z3, and in the end asking it "does this hold?". And it tells you yes or no. That's about it. |
| 08:55:18 | FromGitter | <alehander42> thanks : ) i will read a bit more and ask questions |
| 08:55:43 | Zevv | alehander42: start here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNFcH-KibY |
| 08:56:03 | FromGitter | <alehander42> dont they have a text version |
| 08:56:53 | FromGitter | <alehander42> ah nvm, my text fanboyism |
| 08:57:17 | Zevv | I hereby apologize in the name of the whole of mankind for the creation of youtube and the hiding of essential bits of information in 45-minutes long videos |
| 08:57:20 | Zevv | I feel you |
| 08:58:14 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i am just whining |
| 08:58:51 | Zevv | preaching to the choir :) |
| 08:59:16 | FromGitter | <alehander42> ok, sat vs smt sounds useful |
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| 08:59:59 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i have to admit something: for a while i thought sat solvers and exams cover the same types of problems |
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| 09:06:01 | PMunch | "Hello everyone, welcome to this video in which I'll explain to you where to find the installation folder for node.js. But first let me give a quick shout out to all my patreon supporters, without you ..." |
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| 09:12:28 | clyybber | kameleon: I have updated vulkan bindings |
| 09:12:54 | clyybber | https://github.com/Clyybber/vulkanim |
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| 09:15:09 | FromDiscord | <Clyybber> @kameleon |
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| 09:19:15 | FromDiscord | <kameleon> @Clyybber Cool, thanks! I'll look into them. +1 |
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| 09:32:57 | FromGitter | <mratsim> @kvinwang no batch matmul. The conv2d operator does batch matmul but I didn't implement a batch matmul operator as in general it's just a for loop over mul |
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| 10:02:31 | FromGitter | <alehander42> Zevv, i wonder if interprocedural analysis |
| 10:02:44 | FromGitter | <alehander42> would be easily translatable to z3 formulas |
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| 10:03:06 | FromGitter | <alehander42> it seems easier to apply it for local algorithms (still havent watched most of the talk tho) |
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| 10:05:30 | FromGitter | <alehander42> about the loops, isnt it easy for some properties to model infinite loops as just having several states if you know they lead to only 2-3 invariants |
| 10:07:31 | FromGitter | <alehander42> its like, some analysis mostly care about loops as "after 0 runs/ 1 run/2runs..doesnt matter after that" |
| 10:11:17 | Zevv | That would probably be fine as long as your promise your user you proved only a bit of it, and not all |
| 10:11:42 | FromGitter | <alehander42> but for some cases the invariants can be only those that arise |
| 10:11:46 | FromGitter | <alehander42> after 0 1 or 2 runs |
| 10:13:32 | FromGitter | <alehander42> e.g. "variable is isNil": variable keeps its current state after 0, maybe changes it after 1, and then maybe changes it depending on its state in iteration 1 |
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| 10:30:08 | Zevv | Yesm but can you tell these cases apart without going through the loops, that's the point of course |
| 10:30:39 | Zevv | a good use is staticly proving that you will not run into overlows of your types - that's hard to do without going through the motions |
| 10:37:22 | Zevv | and I once asked Z3 if it could prove if Z3 can prove it will ever prove a proof |
| 10:37:24 | Zevv | it's still running |
| 10:41:49 | sealmove | guys, what is the typical naming convension for "special" identifiers in nim? |
| 10:42:08 | sealmove | for example in C you do _myvar, but that's not possible in Nim of course. |
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| 10:48:43 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i dont think there is one, i'd use naming , e.g. `internalMyVar` or `projectnameMyVar`, i think some people use something like `pMyVar` |
| 10:49:08 | FromGitter | <alehander42> if its macro generated, its different |
| 10:54:31 | sealmove | I see, that's what I thought, thanks |
| 10:55:20 | FromGitter | <alehander42> Zevv, interesting |
| 10:55:30 | FromGitter | <alehander42> well i mean that sometimes bounded loop unrolling |
| 10:55:37 | FromGitter | <alehander42> is enough even if the original code |
| 10:55:40 | FromGitter | <alehander42> doesnt have a bounded loop |
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| 11:13:55 | FromGitter | <kvinwang> @mratsim OK, I'm going to use a for loop. Thanks! |
| 11:34:06 | jken | What is the correct way to check if a proc has been instantiated and not just defined, proc != nil? |
| 11:34:31 | FromDiscord | <juan_carlos> Inside `macro` how do I call a `template` that returns `string` and get a `string` because I get `nnkCall` and I am appending to a preexisting `string` inside the `macro` ?. |
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| 11:41:05 | salewski | Can someone understand https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/5295#33277 |
| 11:41:09 | salewski | Hello , the example is on {table.nim complete uiTable} in github ui |
| 11:41:29 | salewski | I have no idea what his {table.nim complete uiTable} may mean. |
| 11:42:08 | salewski | There is no JPLRouge on github, can not find it with goggle? |
| 11:44:56 | salewski | Ah, maybe he means https://github.com/nim-lang/ui/tree/master/examples |
| 11:45:31 | salewski | But what is that strange link google found? |
| 11:47:48 | salewski | Yes, I think he is talking about https://github.com/nim-lang/ui/blob/master/examples/table.nim |
| 11:48:47 | salewski | That is nonsense, it is in no way related to gintro/gtk. Bye. |
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| 11:58:44 | FromGitter | <alehander42> well, this depends on libui |
| 11:58:51 | FromGitter | <alehander42> which uses gtk |
| 11:59:20 | FromGitter | <alehander42> probably not related to gintro, but to gtk |
| 11:59:29 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i agree, hard to understand, but still related |
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| 12:24:35 | Zevv | What is the reason that C++ lambda's need an explicit [list of captures], anyone know? |
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| 12:29:13 | FromDiscord | <Generic> explict is better than implicit |
| 12:29:42 | FromDiscord | <Generic> and you can decide the way things are captured |
| 12:29:51 | FromDiscord | <Generic> either by value or by reference |
| 12:29:55 | Zevv | yes, but its still redundant, right? |
| 12:30:03 | FromDiscord | <Generic> not completely |
| 12:30:18 | FromDiscord | <Generic> because afaik can just do [&] |
| 12:30:28 | Zevv | ah, that's news, thanks! |
| 12:30:32 | FromDiscord | <Generic> and then everything is captured by ref |
| 12:31:56 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i think its for capture checking |
| 12:32:09 | FromGitter | <alehander42> like, you can declare "i dont access this" and if you do by mistake, its an error |
| 12:32:26 | FromGitter | <alehander42> no ide |
| 12:32:27 | FromGitter | <alehander42> a |
| 12:32:51 | Zevv | yeah, but it's different from all other languages that support closures I worked with |
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| 12:44:50 | FromGitter | <alehander42> it seems you can define how do you want to capture |
| 12:44:55 | FromGitter | <alehander42> by value or by ref |
| 12:45:02 | FromGitter | <alehander42> so you have fine grained control on that |
| 12:46:46 | FromGitter | <alehander42> it seems in nim, they're captured by ref always |
| 12:47:20 | FromGitter | <alehander42> but you can use a pattern like `let val = localValue, use val` |
| 12:47:34 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i guess, at least it seems thats what rust ppl do as workaround |
| 12:47:50 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i never really thought about that , nice |
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| 12:55:16 | Zevv | hmm true |
| 12:55:32 | Zevv | that also solves the problem of capturing loop variables, nim has a hackish way for that now |
| 13:03:44 | Hideki_ | It may sound a ridiculous question...but when I want to get a rounded off value as an integer from a string such as 1.2, is "1.2".parseFloat.round.toInt the best way? I'm afraid there may be a more sophisticated way. |
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| 13:07:32 | Hideki_ | If there is round(x: float32): int, it would be helpful. |
| 13:08:02 | FromDiscord | <Generic> you can also use https://nim-lang.org/docs/parseutils.html#parseInt%2Cstring%2Cint%2Cint to only parse the whole part of the number |
| 13:09:28 | Hideki_ | "1.2".parseInt caused "Error: unhandled exception: invalid integer: 1.2 [ValueError]" |
| 13:09:48 | Yardanico | Hideki_: nonono, not parseInt from strutils, parseInt from parseutils |
| 13:10:03 | FromDiscord | <Generic> also if you have negative numbers |
| 13:10:09 | Hideki_ | let me check... |
| 13:10:26 | FromDiscord | <Generic> note that if you only take the whole part you're rounding towards zero |
| 13:10:33 | FromDiscord | <Generic> not towards negative infinity |
| 13:10:54 | Yardanico | ah, right, this would round 1.9 to 1 |
| 13:11:44 | Yardanico | Hideki_: I think using int(parseFloat("1.2").round) is fine |
| 13:12:03 | FromDiscord | <Generic> yes |
| 13:12:08 | Yardanico | And we can't have round(x: float32): int because there's no return type overloading in Nim (and I don't think it's generally a common language feature) |
| 13:12:09 | FromDiscord | <Generic> that's probably the best way |
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| 13:13:10 | FromDiscord | <Generic> though if you want to go really crazy, you can parse the whole and the fractional part separately |
| 13:13:27 | FromDiscord | <Generic> then compare the fraction to 10*numbersofdigitsoffraction |
| 13:13:31 | FromDiscord | <Generic> /2 |
| 13:13:35 | Yardanico | :D |
| 13:13:43 | Hideki_ | Thank you guys! parseutils and int(parseFloat("1.2").round) worked! |
| 13:13:56 | FromGitter | <alehander42> Zevv do you mean closureScope |
| 13:14:31 | Hideki_ | My point was not about how to round off. I want to write float->int in the simplest way :) |
| 13:14:32 | Yardanico | Hideki_: well, with this code you're still using strutils :P |
| 13:14:45 | Yardanico | but it's fine, strutils.parseFloat is enough for your usecase |
| 13:15:00 | Hideki_ | thanks |
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| 13:21:08 | Zevv | alehander42: right |
| 13:21:35 | Zevv | first I was 'meh', but now I am 'hmmm', with the C++ [] notation |
| 13:22:00 | Zevv | I do like the self-documentationess of it |
| 13:23:08 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i wonder if one can do that with a pragma |
| 13:24:12 | Zevv | I bet you can macro it away and invoke closureScope where appropriate |
| 13:24:51 | Zevv | but closurescope is a catchall of course |
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| 13:33:22 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> A macro can't supply line numbers, right? |
| 13:33:58 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Because the macro I'm working with has every single error be the function def's line number, which makes it very difficult to debug. |
| 13:35:44 | FromDiscord | <juan_carlos> `lineInfo` |
| 13:35:47 | Zevv | it can |
| 13:35:48 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Side note, why does having a function which raises X as an argument/passing it add every single raise effect to the function passing it? |
| 13:36:21 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Sweet, thanks for that. |
| 13:36:24 | FromGitter | <alehander42> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#pragmas-line-pragma |
| 13:36:52 | Cadey | kayabaNerve: because of https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#effect-system |
| 13:37:08 | Zevv | juan_carlos: copyLineInfo |
| 13:37:16 | FromGitter | <alehander42> also you can use line info to do more custom logic but if you mean debug info not sure |
| 13:37:27 | FromGitter | <alehander42> zevv i mean, one can go further |
| 13:37:29 | Zevv | If you create a new NimNode, you can pass it the (approximate) source node that caused the genration of your new node |
| 13:37:46 | FromGitter | <alehander42> {.capture: [copy a].} => generate a let aCopy and replace all a with this |
| 13:39:51 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Right, I'm asking why `Every expression of some proc type within a call that is not a call itself (and not nil) is assumed to be called indirectly somehow and thus its raises list is added to p's raises list.` |
| 13:40:20 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Because if I have X raising A, take X to Y, pass X from Y to Z, and Z handles all the errors, I have to add excepts in Y that literally will never be raised. |
| 13:40:25 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> ... executed? |
| 13:40:30 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> ... excepted? |
| 13:40:34 | jken | Is anyone able to tell me what I am doing wrong here? https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1XTR |
| 13:41:02 | Yardanico | jken: queueEvent takes a copy of EventQueue |
| 13:41:25 | Yardanico | if you want to modify the original one, you should define the argument as "queue: var EventQueue" |
| 13:41:37 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Just about to say :P Yardanico beat me to it. |
| 13:41:57 | jken | ahh, thanks |
| 13:41:58 | Zevv | also init your dequeue |
| 13:42:01 | jken | Js habits are killing me |
| 13:42:02 | Zevv | this will go boom |
| 13:42:31 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Anyways. It's really annoying that passed functions, not called functions, behave like called functions in the effects system. It causes me to write `except X:` blocks for no reason. |
| 13:42:49 | Zevv | tables and seqs are automatically initialized these days, but dequeues are not :/ |
| 13:43:04 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> My point with asking is if there's a valid reason for this/what valid reason this attempts to solve. |
| 13:43:06 | Zevv | https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=1XTT |
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| 13:45:31 | jken | Thanks guys |
| 13:48:31 | shashlick | any idea how to work around https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/11851 |
| 13:53:35 | FromGitter | <alehander42> @kayabaNerve |
| 13:53:38 | FromGitter | <alehander42> iirc araq specifically |
| 13:53:42 | FromGitter | <alehander42> wanted it to work like that |
| 13:54:45 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i guess what you want is passed functions to behave like `func` except if they are directly called? |
| 13:59:01 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> I want to be able to pass functions without Nim acting like they may throw exceptions. |
| 14:00:03 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Because I do handle its Exceptions; when they're able to thrown when called by the function I pass it to. Even if I didn't, the function which called them would have the raise effects, and then my call to said function would get them. |
| 14:00:46 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> So getting it by passing it doesn't help the case where I don't handle the exceptions but adds a truly pointless redundancy when I do handle them. |
| 14:01:01 | FromGitter | <alehander42> and you can possibly just not use them |
| 14:01:09 | FromGitter | <alehander42> but assign them to a field in your called function |
| 14:01:20 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i agree that some of those checks are very conservative |
| 14:01:26 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> It's not horrific to add except X, exceptY, doAssert, doAssert. It's just annoying. It acts like a bug when I have to handle exceptions that literally cannot be raised. |
| 14:01:33 | FromGitter | <alehander42> of course |
| 14:01:44 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Yep, I use callback options a lot. |
| 14:01:49 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> *callback object |
| 14:02:00 | FromGitter | <alehander42> thats one of the main problems with most checked/tracked exception systems: making one catch impossible cases |
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| 14:02:18 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i fully agree that it would be better for the analysis to not mistrack those |
| 14:02:35 | FromGitter | <alehander42> my guess is that it just wasnt easy to improve it for those cases |
| 14:02:48 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> I mean, they're not callbacks. They're to access various parts of the system from a single point without circular dependencies/passing every single data structure. That's just the easiest way to convey it's definition. |
| 14:03:08 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> IIRC doing x = procDef doesn't have this affect. It's x = passedProc. |
| 14:03:21 | FromGitter | <alehander42> yeah, they are functions |
| 14:03:45 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Yep. procDef doesn't tell the effects system to add the raise effects. Solely passedProc. |
| 14:03:46 | FromGitter | <alehander42> yes, thats how its supposed to work |
| 14:03:46 | FromGitter | <alehander42> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#effect-system |
| 14:03:50 | FromGitter | <alehander42> if you read the spec |
| 14:03:52 | FromGitter | <alehander42> point 2 |
| 14:03:53 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> I have. |
| 14:04:00 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> It was linked earlier. |
| 14:04:09 | FromGitter | <alehander42> oh sorry |
| 14:04:21 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> I wrote a macro which 'exploits' the effects system. |
| 14:04:37 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> I mean, it's used exactly as it should be used, arguably. I don't do a ton of weird things with it. |
| 14:04:48 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i guess its a bit hard to analyze |
| 14:04:50 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> But I use the effects system in the macro for personal gain. |
| 14:05:14 | FromGitter | <alehander42> because an alternative is to change the rule and e.g. make those noeffect |
| 14:05:18 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> I can't tell if using something as intended for personal gain as intended is exploitation or not. |
| 14:05:37 | FromGitter | <alehander42> do you have a repo with this macro |
| 14:05:45 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Yeah. It's been public for months. |
| 14:05:52 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> It's called ForceCheck. It stops bubble up. |
| 14:06:33 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> It redeclares your function with a blank raises to make sure it doesn't raise anything unintentionally (with all the raises in the function itself replaced with discards). |
| 14:06:52 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> It even works with async functions, which can always raise Exception, as long as you put the forceCheck pragma before async. |
| 14:07:04 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> https://github.com/kayabaNerve/ForceCheck |
| 14:07:09 | FromGitter | <alehander42> sounds very interesting |
| 14:07:12 | FromGitter | <alehander42> a nice hack |
| 14:07:40 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> It becomes quite verbose (a lot of my except branches just reraise tbh) but it works for me. I suck at remembering to except things and I rather be verbose than forgetting. |
| 14:08:09 | FromGitter | <alehander42> it seems you also got to the defect/catchable error distinction |
| 14:08:59 | FromGitter | <alehander42> however i am not sure this is fully correct about async: i guess the reason is that the internal async closure code can actually raise indeed |
| 14:09:18 | FromGitter | <alehander42> so maybe this should still be somehow specified as a special internal error somewhere |
| 14:09:24 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Oh. It also has a couple other tools. One is fcRaise which was to get around a Nim bug where C++ Exceptions weren't reraisable (fixed in 1.0 according to GitHub) and one just lets you know (naively) if you have a risk of IndexError (because a seq access is always at risk of throwing that but you don't need to annotate it in raises as the Nim spec considers it fatal despite the Nim compiler making it catchable). |
| 14:09:40 | FromGitter | <alehander42> the c++ should be fixed iirc |
| 14:09:49 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> You cannot make an async call and have a blank raises pragma unless you use waitFor IIRC. |
| 14:09:56 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> (so await is the problem) |
| 14:10:23 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i know, my point is that blank raises is more practical, but also not really *correct* |
| 14:10:37 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> I just don't think it should risk raising at all :P |
| 14:10:40 | FromGitter | <alehander42> as in theoretically the code implementing the awaiting might raise some rror |
| 14:10:42 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> But async is complicated and all that. |
| 14:10:44 | FromGitter | <alehander42> probably |
| 14:10:51 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> forceCheck, on async code, replaces all await with waitFor in the copy which is stripped out as dead code by default. |
| 14:10:53 | FromGitter | <alehander42> but maybe it cannot: dont count me on that |
| 14:11:02 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> As long as you apply the async pragma second, it works. |
| 14:11:17 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> I also have it working with a bunch of other types. Proc, func, method, converter.... |
| 14:11:20 | FromGitter | <alehander42> yeah, makes sense |
| 14:12:16 | FromGitter | <alehander42> well, if a proc argument is only passed to a call, then that call should list any possible resulting effects in its list |
| 14:12:17 | FromGitter | <alehander42> indeed imo |
| 14:12:39 | FromGitter | <alehander42> so i agree that if there are no other usages, this shouldn't add a raise |
| 14:13:16 | FromGitter | <alehander42> not really sure why its implemented like that |
| 14:13:20 | FromGitter | <alehander42> specced |
| 14:13:38 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i guess we can ask the guy |
| 14:13:44 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Hence why I came here to ask |
| 14:13:52 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Also about LineInfo because forceCheck does not have that |
| 14:14:06 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Quite annoying. Should be just a couple lines though |
| 14:15:36 | FromDiscord | <juan_carlos> Inside `macro` how do I call a `template` that returns `string` and get a `string` because I get `nnkCall` and I am appending to a preexisting `string` inside the `macro` ?. Or should I use `func` instead of `template` inside `macro` ?. |
| 14:16:10 | FromGitter | <alehander42> you can use proc/func i guess |
| 14:16:18 | FromGitter | <alehander42> usually thats what i do for helpers in macros |
| 14:17:00 | FromGitter | <alehander42> if it can be expressed by func, i think its better |
| 14:18:37 | FromDiscord | <juan_carlos> Ok, will try, it just returns a static string. |
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| 14:20:45 | FromGitter | <alehander42> its a compile time function |
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| 14:51:57 | Araq | shashlick: what does that mean anyway |
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| 14:52:20 | Araq | either you use a header or you import from a DLL, you can't do both at the same time |
| 14:52:27 | federico3 | https://testmon.org/ this is another good use of code coverage that Nim could support |
| 14:52:36 | Araq | once fixed the compiler will tell you "make up your mind" |
| 14:52:56 | disruptek | shashlick i don't want you losing sleep over libgit2. |
| 14:52:56 | shashlick | @Araq - well, we run into an issue with a few wrappers |
| 14:53:13 | Araq | obviously |
| 14:53:34 | shashlick | well, there's a defect opened on nimterop by others as well |
| 14:53:40 | shashlick | https://github.com/nimterop/nimterop/issues/134 |
| 14:55:26 | Araq | same thing, it makes no sense |
| 14:55:46 | Araq | I don't care if nimterop users write this or you personally write it, it makes no sense |
| 14:55:53 | disruptek | lol |
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| 14:56:00 | Araq | *either* you import the symbol from a header or from a DLL |
| 14:56:10 | shashlick | ok then help me understand what we are doing wrong if you don't mind |
| 14:56:37 | Araq | I'm trying |
| 14:56:46 | Araq | so what is it you are trying to accomplish? |
| 14:57:05 | shashlick | here's the error - http://ix.io/1XUj |
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| 14:57:16 | shashlick | when i try to dynlib with libgit2.so |
| 14:57:24 | shashlick | i'll share what the wrapped git_error looks like, a sec |
| 14:57:45 | disruptek | it's just a struct of char* and int. |
| 14:57:49 | Araq | cImport("include/header2.h", "dynlib2") # ? |
| 14:59:23 | shashlick | here's git_error => http://ix.io/1XUl |
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| 15:04:45 | disruptek | reading libgit C actually makes me reminisce about C coding 30 years ago. |
| 15:11:28 | Araq | shashlick: if you .importc a type you can only really import it from a header and if you use .dynlib you don't import from a header |
| 15:11:52 | Araq | git_error* {.bycopy.} = object # fine, you made the layout compatible |
| 15:11:59 | Araq | message*: cstring |
| 15:11:59 | Araq | klass*: cint |
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| 15:15:46 | lqdev | so it seems like matrix is dead |
| 15:16:04 | lqdev | riot.im can't connect to the matrix homeserver |
| 15:17:43 | lqdev | ah right, there's a major outage |
| 15:17:45 | lqdev | how nice |
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| 15:20:04 | leorize | that's why you shouldn't use the matrix.org homeserver :P |
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| 15:22:17 | lqdev | leorize: well, TIL |
| 15:22:35 | lqdev | my friend had a homeserver set up for a short while but it's down right now |
| 15:23:12 | lqdev | worst thing is, the server was hosted on a damn Orange Pi 3, so you probably know what happened after a while |
| 15:23:20 | shashlick | @Araq - ya figured i was messing up the wrapper - so no importc if a type and dynlib |
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| 15:27:13 | leorize | lqdev: there are a handful of public homeservers on the 'net |
| 15:27:27 | leorize | the real problem is that the freenode bridge is run by matrix.org exclusively |
| 15:30:21 | lqdev | how to [not] go decentralized 101™ |
| 15:30:42 | lqdev | I'm fine with using HexChat for the time being |
| 15:32:18 | FromDiscord | <juan_carlos> IRC has a draft for v3 I read, I hope they dont fuk up. |
| 15:33:55 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i am also interested in that |
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| 15:34:59 | lqdev | @juan_carlos any notable new features? |
| 15:37:09 | FromDiscord | <juan_carlos> https://ircv3.net |
| 15:40:14 | lqdev | seems nice |
| 15:40:23 | lqdev | the only thing I lack from IRC is message history |
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| 15:50:03 | lqdev | pffff so the homeserver's working but now the freenode bridge is dead |
| 15:50:35 | lqdev | stability lvl 100 |
| 16:03:55 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> so bridge again down or what? |
| 16:07:48 | lqdev | this time it's not the team's fault |
| 16:08:03 | lqdev | the matrix↔IRC bridge is down |
| 16:08:17 | lqdev | which is matrix.org's problem |
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| 16:09:07 | poopBot | b |
| 16:09:27 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> oh matrix bridge discord one is not |
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| 16:22:02 | jken | https://nim-lang.org/0.13.0/events.html |
| 16:22:06 | jken | Looks like that was removed |
| 16:22:16 | jken | Any existing event systems exist in the 1.0.0 stdlib? |
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| 16:27:14 | FromGitter | <awr1> hello all |
| 16:27:33 | FromGitter | <awr1> https://mun-lang.org/ |
| 16:27:44 | FromGitter | <awr1> thoughts on this? |
| 16:27:53 | Araq | jken: use async |
| 16:28:04 | FromGitter | <awr1> seems very zig-ish |
| 16:29:16 | Araq | awr1: as it says itself "too early" |
| 16:29:30 | FromGitter | <alehander42> iirc they said they experimented with rust and hot code reloading |
| 16:30:09 | FromGitter | <alehander42> and then it evolved into something like a language not sure |
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| 16:33:26 | FromGitter | <awr1> to what degree was Nim "fleshed out" by the time you publicly announced it? |
| 16:33:49 | FromGitter | <awr1> @Araq |
| 16:34:03 | Araq | dunno, IMHO it changed very little throughout the years |
| 16:34:54 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> Please review and merge this PR: |
| 16:34:54 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/12329 |
| 16:36:19 | FromGitter | <awr1> `doslikeFileSystem` is a const i haven't seen before |
| 16:36:21 | clyybber | Araq: I think https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/12321 should be merged so that it's in the next release. Better do this earlier then later. |
| 16:42:57 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> doslikeFileSystem* = defined(windows) or defined(OS2) or defined(DOS) |
| 16:43:15 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> Anyone use Nim on OS2 or DOS? |
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| 16:48:38 | FromGitter | <alehander42> Araq, do we need anything more for the isNil spec, except syntax? |
| 16:53:03 | shashlick | @Araq is it possible to disable rst parsing when generating docs? I'm trying to include docs when generating wrappers but C comments can have all sorts of random stuff that can throw off the rst parser |
| 16:53:28 | disruptek | i have the same problem. |
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| 17:00:24 | shashlick | Nimterop already makes it easy to include wrapper docs and generate Nim docs. All I need to do is add a second # and perhaps some comment cleanup |
| 17:01:09 | disruptek | the only problem i've had is with *foo. |
| 17:03:06 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> does nim have constructor, like on object creation do something, example i have a constructor that has someint=sometint*5 , so var MyObj(someint:5) , if i read value of someint it would be 25? |
| 17:05:11 | disruptek | nim suggests that you implement that yourself. |
| 17:08:20 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> @kodkuce just creating a proc that return MyObj is Nim way. |
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| 17:08:49 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> like `proc createMyObj(x: int): MyObj) = MyObj(sometint: x*5) |
| 17:09:26 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> `proc createMyObj(x: int): MyObj) = MyObj(sometint: x*5)` |
| 17:15:12 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> so there no constructor to defind in object itself , ok np |
| 17:15:18 | FromGitter | <alehander42> you can imitate it easily |
| 17:15:38 | FromGitter | <alehander42> with proc init(a: type MyType, myargs: mytypes): MyType |
| 17:15:38 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> what about destructors? |
| 17:15:47 | FromGitter | <alehander42> MyType.init args |
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| 17:22:23 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> destructors? |
| 17:23:38 | FromGitter | <awr1> @demotomohiro OS/2 still is in use today, iirc primarily at ATMs |
| 17:26:52 | clyybber | kodkuce: Destructors are defined like so: proc `=destroy`(v: var MyType)` |
| 17:28:52 | FromGitter | <awr1> also DOS is well, it's like a quirky resurgent retro thing now. |
| 17:48:11 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> Wau did i forget Tuples were not that simple, thought this was gonna be an easy video LOL. |
| 17:49:03 | clyybber | Kiloneie: What do you not find simple? |
| 17:49:51 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> at first glance i thought, hei they are just like arrays and sequences, except they can have multiple data types... eh... no |
| 17:50:07 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> structures actually |
| 17:50:28 | FromGitter | <zetashift> they can have multiple datatypes but often they are used for short(usually length 2) messages to pass around |
| 17:52:36 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> i was gonna teach block statement aswell, but now that i remembered what they are, nope, just Tuples for today. |
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| 17:56:10 | FromGitter | <zetashift> block is a nice addition to for/if/while loops |
| 17:56:27 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> Yeh, but not for today's video. |
| 17:58:22 | clyybber | Kiloneie: Tuples are more like objects |
| 17:58:40 | clyybber | Like objects they compile down to C structs |
| 17:58:58 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> i know |
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| 18:09:18 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> Would i be correct if i were to say Tuples are used for making custom data types ? |
| 18:11:33 | yumaikas | They are one means of doing so, IIRC, designed to be a lightweight way to do so |
| 18:11:46 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> ... that'd apply to both objects and tuples |
| 18:12:00 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> yeh but objects have inheritance |
| 18:12:04 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> The only reason I use tuple is if I have an object I only use in a single place. |
| 18:12:12 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> ... not necessarily? |
| 18:12:20 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Only objects of RootObj have inheritance enabled |
| 18:12:40 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> For example, if I have a function return multiple things, I use a tuple. |
| 18:12:59 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> that is a good use case yes. |
| 18:13:58 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> Error: 'export' is only allowed at top level , hmm what does this mean its not allawoing me to export a proc ? |
| 18:14:14 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Because it's inside something else |
| 18:14:16 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> oh my bad indetation after copy paste |
| 18:14:24 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> There you go |
| 18:15:00 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> var anonTuple: (string, int) = ("Donkey", 22) Why is this called an anonymous tuple ? what does anonymous mean... standalone, can't be used for making other tuples ?... not data type... ? |
| 18:15:04 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> blindness is magic |
| 18:15:08 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> 🙂 |
| 18:15:29 | yumaikas | Kilonie: Because there are no names associated to the fields, I think |
| 18:16:11 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Exactly what yumaikas said |
| 18:16:19 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> var someTuple = (10, 0.55, true, "Hello") This is anonymous too then ?= |
| 18:16:21 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> var nonanonTuple: (word:string, num:int ) ? |
| 18:16:38 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Yes to both of those examples |
| 18:17:04 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> my is not right? |
| 18:20:24 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> ... both are right |
| 18:20:42 | narimiran | `myTup` is anonymous if you cannot later do `myTup.fieldName`. |
| 18:20:51 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> An anonymous tuple doesn't have named fields. A named tuple has named fields. |
| 18:21:12 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> A tuple is anonymous if it doesn't have field names so there's names to use as accesors |
| 18:22:53 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> thank you all |
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| 18:29:11 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> am having trouble with exercism Allergies |
| 18:29:11 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> |
| 18:29:12 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> test "eggs and peanuts": |
| 18:29:12 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> let allergies = Allergies(score: 3) |
| 18:29:12 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> check allergies.lst == @["eggs", "peanuts"] |
| 18:29:12 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> |
| 18:29:16 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> so here it creates allergies, and expects me to run a function on it when it creats it so i can fill lst, i tryed changing to be proc Allergies then returns an obj Allergie but i got error Error: type expected , so hmm how to solve this |
| 18:29:16 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> Hi! : P |
| 18:29:22 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> hi |
| 18:31:13 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> Error: type expected , is on line let allergies = Allergies(score: 3) , so my logic is its telling me that Allergies should be type/Object not proc or am i wrong? |
| 18:32:05 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> https://hastebin.com/geyibelunu.cs |
| 18:33:11 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> filling list and other stuff work just this construntor thingy is an issue |
| 18:33:51 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> or my brain broken |
| 18:35:25 | narimiran | first of all, just a style tip: don't use `var a ........ return a`, use `result` |
| 18:35:45 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i am stoping proc so i need to use return |
| 18:36:01 | narimiran | you don't need `var a`, at least |
| 18:36:53 | narimiran | oh and `var a = Allergie()` is wrong :D |
| 18:37:16 | narimiran | the correct syntax is `var a: Allergie` |
| 18:38:56 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> how do I run a .nimble file? |
| 18:38:56 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> https://hastebin.com/edunuluceg.cs << here i added question in bot |
| 18:38:56 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i was hoping var a = Allergie() creates a new one but ok, var a: Allergie in my brain == null |
| 18:39:35 | narimiran | rtfm, as always, when it comes to your questions ;) |
| 18:40:00 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> googling rtfm |
| 18:40:13 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> oh manual |
| 18:40:30 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i went oop page |
| 18:40:31 | narimiran | documentation and learning materials in general |
| 18:40:43 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> https://nim-lang.org/docs/tut2.html#object-oriented-programming |
| 18:41:27 | narimiran | you don't need OOP |
| 18:41:48 | narimiran | not for this, not for 95% stuff you'll encounter |
| 18:42:26 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> sorry i come from c# so Allergy sound like an object |
| 18:42:53 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i create an object and it has constructor that fills this lst |
| 18:43:29 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> type |
| 18:43:29 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> Allergie* = ref object of RootObj |
| 18:43:29 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> score*: int |
| 18:43:30 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> lst*:seq[string] |
| 18:43:37 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> isent this an object? |
| 18:44:21 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i can submit half solution and see how other solve it but thats beh |
| 18:44:30 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> want to learn buy shame 🙂 |
| 18:47:23 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> does anyone here use nim-csfml? |
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| 18:50:42 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i dont 🙂 |
| 18:51:03 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> what even is it ? |
| 18:51:31 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> https://github.com/oprypin/nim-csfml |
| 18:51:35 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i guess |
| 18:51:58 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> ddg is magic |
| 18:51:59 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> yes |
| 18:52:23 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> I'm thinking to use to make game in nim |
| 18:52:32 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> does anyone recommend other tool? |
| 18:52:42 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> there are SDL2 i think and Godot |
| 18:53:36 | FromDiscord | <treeform> disruptek, I should fix nimtry if I broke its code. |
| 18:53:38 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i am still newb with Nim, Godot was wierd for me to start cuz i came from Unity3d, newer used SDL2 or any non editor gameengine |
| 18:54:08 | disruptek | treeform: nah, it's not you. it just breaks with certain inputs. |
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| 18:54:36 | FromDiscord | <treeform> disruptek, about the openSSL memory, I copied a working binary from one server to the new server and it breaks there too. I build openSSL from source and used that, breaks on the HEAD of opneSSL as well. I don't know what todo. |
| 18:55:22 | FromDiscord | <treeform> I really hate openSSL now. Ubuntu lies some how in its versions. |
| 18:55:41 | disruptek | if nothing else on the server breaks, maybe the problem is with the credentials? doesn't make much sense that only this small bit of nim code doesn't work. |
| 18:55:54 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> how do I run a .nimble file? |
| 18:56:09 | disruptek | do you have any version of ubuntu that works? |
| 18:56:52 | FromDiscord | <treeform> disruptek, credentials are the same. Yes I have an ubuntu that works. Maybe I should just make a copy of the VM. I'll do that next. My life is not worth this. |
| 18:57:20 | disruptek | maybe you have a ca issue. |
| 18:57:22 | FromDiscord | <treeform> @Yaymaha you don't "run" a nimble file it just says what to install. You probably just want to run `nimble install lib` |
| 18:58:14 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> oh |
| 18:58:14 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> ok |
| 18:58:18 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> thanks : P |
| 18:58:36 | clyybber | Araq: PR for default fields is up https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/12378 |
| 18:58:49 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> So how I run a .cfg file |
| 18:58:50 | clyybber | yet to handle case objects correctly |
| 18:58:51 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> ? |
| 18:58:58 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i know that too, just reayly thinked you wanted to read it, wanted to suggest notepad but would sound bad xD |
| 19:00:04 | FromDiscord | <treeform> @Yaymaha you don't "run" a "nim.cfg" file. Nim "finds" it when you compile some thing in that folder or sub folders. |
| 19:00:24 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> oh |
| 19:00:26 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> ok |
| 19:00:29 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> Thanks : P |
| 19:00:39 | FromDiscord | <treeform> are you trying to run some thing |
| 19:00:44 | FromDiscord | <treeform> and trying to figure out which files i the main file? |
| 19:01:32 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> Yes, I'm trying to use nim-csfml |
| 19:01:43 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> I have a main.nim, where the game code is |
| 19:01:51 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> but idk how to run it |
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| 19:02:20 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> nim c -r main.nim? |
| 19:02:35 | FromDiscord | <treeform> yes |
| 19:02:44 | FromDiscord | <treeform> `nim c -r main.nim` |
| 19:05:19 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> Thanks! |
| 19:05:21 | FromDiscord | <Yaymaha> sorry for annoying questions : P |
| 19:06:34 | FromDiscord | <treeform> no problem, just pass forward the help you get 🙂 |
| 19:07:19 | FromDiscord | <treeform> disruptek, I solved it by copying my old ubuntu instead of installing new ubuntu. |
| 19:16:39 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> do oop setters still work or am i retarded |
| 19:19:04 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> newermind i think i solved it |
| 19:20:11 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> or not |
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| 19:27:02 | FromDiscord | <treeform> Sounds like you are close |
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| 19:44:26 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> ye there is only this |
| 19:44:26 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> test "no allergen score parts": |
| 19:44:26 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> let allergies = Allergies(score: 509) |
| 19:44:26 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> check allergies.lst == @["eggs", "shellfish", "strawberries", "tomatoes", |
| 19:44:26 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> "chocolate", "pollen", "cats"] |
| 19:44:26 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> |
| 19:44:29 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> thet removes pinuts for some reson i duno get, its not even mention in readme so will just if dump peanuts |
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| 19:59:31 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> How to type for example "type" and NOT having it autocomplete by VS Code !? |
| 20:01:21 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> duno i type it no problem just press space after |
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| 20:01:48 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> it doesn't give me type as suggestion,and i already typed it so... it's annoying |
| 20:01:51 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> at times.. |
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| 20:02:39 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> w8 what , you want it to show in autocomplete or not? |
| 20:03:29 | lqdev[m] | he doesn't want it showing in autocomplete |
| 20:03:32 | lqdev[m] | the solution is simple |
| 20:03:38 | lqdev[m] | press return fast enough |
| 20:03:39 | lqdev[m] | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 20:11:28 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> or do "editor.quickSuggestionsDelay": 1000 |
| 20:12:14 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i personaly do "editor.tabSize": 2, |
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| 21:08:51 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> i just wish SPACEBAR freaking stopped the auto complete or something |
| 21:09:04 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> i just used arrow keys in my video to go back and forth xD |
| 21:18:33 | FromDiscord | <Kiloneie> Another video: https://youtu.be/PLh5x5BuX2Y |
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| 21:39:09 | lqdev[m] | @Kiloneie you can disable autocomplete on spacebar in the settings |
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| 22:39:16 | FromGitter | <Varriount> Anyone know what is up with pull request tests? They seem to be failing randomly. |
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