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| 00:00:05 | shashlick | Note that wrappers are cached so you need to run with -f to regenerate |
| 00:00:40 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> Does Nim have a function to get the sign of a number? Other languages I've used usually call this `sign` or `signum` and return -1, 0, or 1 depending on the sign |
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| 00:01:14 | leorize | mfiano: but why would you need that? :P |
| 00:01:31 | leorize | just compare with 0 should work, no? |
| 00:01:34 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> It's useful for mathematical calculations, which is why it is present in a lot of languages :p |
| 00:01:47 | leorize | use `cmp` with 0 |
| 00:01:53 | leorize | it will give you the exact thing :P |
| 00:02:23 | leorize | https://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/system#cmp%2CT%2CT |
| 00:04:44 | lqdev[m] | shashlick: yes, but `nim check` does not |
| 00:04:52 | lqdev[m] | and that's probably the source of the problem |
| 00:07:21 | shashlick | Ok I'll try with cDebug to verify |
| 00:07:31 | shashlick | What version of Nim |
| 00:08:00 | lqdev[m] | 1.0.6 |
| 00:08:44 | clyybber | Or anyone for that matter: Do you want to see `Hint: [Link]` by default? |
| 00:09:05 | clyybber | lqdev[m], leorize, shashlick ^ |
| 00:10:01 | lqdev[m] | I don't mind it, I think it's useful to tell when linking actually starts |
| 00:10:42 | lqdev[m] | because when using `-d:release --passC:-flto` linking can take a while and being able to tell when it starts gives you a more granular overview of the compilation progress |
| 00:10:59 | clyybber | Same here |
| 00:11:54 | clyybber | lqdev[m]: So you think there is a place for showing `Hint: [Link]` without showing the actual linking command? |
| 00:12:14 | lqdev[m] | yeah |
| 00:12:19 | clyybber | Ok |
| 00:12:21 | clyybber | Thanks |
| 00:12:50 | lqdev[m] | any sort of progress reporting is useful, no matter how shitty or good |
| 00:15:49 | lqdev[m] | what's the difference between `stdout.writeLine` and `echo`? |
| 00:17:02 | lqdev[m] | for some reason output from `echo` shows up fine on my polybar while output from `stdout.writeLine` does not. |
| 00:20:10 | leorize | lqdev[m]: echo flushes stdout after writing |
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| 00:23:04 | lqdev[m] | but sending a newline should flush too, no? |
| 00:23:32 | krux02 | no |
| 00:27:26 | krux02 | lqdev: a stream does only flush for certain, if you call `flush` explicitly on it. But a stream may flush at any time. |
| 00:30:18 | lqdev[m] | right |
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| 00:51:41 | watzon | Helloooo |
| 00:51:47 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> No you |
| 00:51:56 | watzon | Been a while since I've irc'd |
| 00:54:10 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> same, like my entire life |
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| 00:59:36 | shashlick | Welcome |
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| 01:06:58 | shashlick | lqdev: I tried again with device and it still worked for me |
| 01:07:02 | shashlick | nto sure what's going on |
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| 01:45:10 | FromDiscord | <Rika> is there a counterpart to `isprint` in the stdlib |
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| 02:16:01 | leorize | @Rika: not isprint()? :P |
| 02:16:37 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> Hiiiii everyone! I was wanting to ask can nim be used to make file unpacking programs? |
| 02:17:01 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Yes |
| 02:17:12 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> Yay thank you |
| 02:17:54 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> I am trying to learn a language to make programs to unpack files from game files to make mods and nim was something i saw that was general purpose. |
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| 02:19:16 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> I mean you're going to have to manually do it all but it *can* |
| 02:20:15 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> I thought so. I don't mind doing it manually i just needed to know if nim on it's own without other languages can do it >.< |
| 02:20:28 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Hell python can do it |
| 02:20:49 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> It's just byte/bit level logic |
| 02:21:26 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> I bet python can haha i just want to learn languages that are different than what most people use |
| 02:22:28 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> I mean nim can easily rely on C/C++ libs so it's quite nice |
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| 02:30:26 | FromDiscord | <Rika> leorize: i'm trying not to use c imported functions on nim |
| 02:30:38 | FromDiscord | <Rika> just for the sake of it really, no actual reason |
| 02:47:10 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> About unpacking game assets, I did much of the tooling for a fan translation of a DS game in Nim |
| 02:50:59 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> Woah really?! |
| 02:51:08 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> That is so cool 😍 |
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| 02:55:19 | disruptek | clyybber: seems like you guys worked it out. |
| 02:55:44 | disruptek | leorize: what part of the radio doesn't work? i'm about to look at it. |
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| 02:58:57 | FromDiscord | <Rika> is taint mode slated for removal? i havent been following news about it |
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| 02:59:09 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> the actual unpacking/repacking of the ROM filesystem was done with an existing tool, but all the code to convert between raw image/palette data and PNG was done in Nim |
| 02:59:27 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> I'm working on publishing some of that code as a library now, but documentation is a lot of work. xD |
| 03:01:01 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> Can nim do it without a existing tool though? |
| 03:01:06 | disruptek | of course. |
| 03:01:49 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> I see then the existing tool was just to speed up the process? |
| 03:02:41 | leorize | well yea |
| 03:02:47 | leorize | why rewrite something when it already works |
| 03:03:07 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> That is true |
| 03:03:34 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> For me i like making my own stuff |
| 03:04:10 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> yeah, it was written years ago and I didn't know the filesystem format myself, and it was usable as a command line utility, so I could just invoke it from nim by calling `execCmd` |
| 03:04:24 | disruptek | ~stream |
| 03:04:25 | disbot | stream: 11https://twitch.tv/disruptek (live video/audio) and mumble://uberalles.mumbl.io/ (live voice chat) -- disruptek |
| 03:05:50 | FromDiscord | <Rika> i kinda want to stream too |
| 03:05:57 | disruptek | you should. |
| 03:05:58 | FromDiscord | <Rika> but i dont know what setup is ok |
| 03:06:06 | disruptek | doesn't matter. |
| 03:06:10 | FromDiscord | <Rika> and what songs i can play w/o getting banned on twitch |
| 03:06:13 | disruptek | we can test it and help you tweak it. |
| 03:07:06 | disruptek | i do spend a fair amount of time on it. |
| 03:07:09 | disruptek | but, it's paying off. |
| 03:07:33 | FromDiscord | <Rika> holy wow obs does not like linux |
| 03:07:40 | disruptek | what's broken in the radio, leorize? |
| 03:08:19 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> damnit why is it 4 pm here |
| 03:08:23 | leorize | last time I tried to !tune it doesn't do anything? |
| 03:08:27 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> gn8 peeps |
| 03:08:37 | disruptek | cya clyybber |
| 03:08:40 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> *4am |
| 03:08:52 | disruptek | doesn't do anything? |
| 03:09:05 | leorize | it said okay! |
| 03:09:08 | disruptek | okay... |
| 03:09:09 | leorize | but then I don't see any changes :P |
| 03:09:19 | disruptek | what changes did you expect to see? |
| 03:09:19 | leorize | nor I know what it actually do |
| 03:09:34 | disruptek | what do you want it to do? |
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| 03:15:30 | disruptek | do we have any pango translations in nim? |
| 03:15:37 | disruptek | like simple markup shit? |
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| 04:04:19 | FromDiscord | <Rika> disruptek, did your stream die or did you stop it? |
| 04:04:32 | disruptek | falling asleep here. |
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| 04:05:08 | disruptek | you gotta speak up if you're watching. just tumbleweeds rollin' through the chat. |
| 04:05:25 | FromDiscord | <Rika> aint signed in on my browser |
| 04:06:04 | disruptek | ah, i keep forgetting that that's a thing. |
| 04:06:29 | disruptek | i need a better way to see if there are viewers, i guess. |
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| 04:13:44 | FromDiscord | <Rika> i'll try streaming some time, maybe even today |
| 04:13:56 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> Is there a function to get the fractional part of a float, or should i use `x - floor(x)`? |
| 04:14:24 | FromDiscord | <Rika> dont think there is |
| 04:14:59 | disruptek | rika: what time is it? |
| 04:15:17 | FromDiscord | <Rika> for me? quarter past twelve |
| 04:15:24 | FromDiscord | <Rika> noon |
| 04:15:33 | disruptek | where are you? |
| 04:16:01 | FromDiscord | <Rika> uh asia |
| 04:16:06 | FromDiscord | <Rika> southeast asia |
| 04:16:08 | disruptek | big place. |
| 04:16:45 | FromDiscord | <Rika> need it more specific? philippines |
| 04:16:58 | disruptek | ah, neat. |
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| 04:20:09 | disruptek | i think streaming is good advertising, but it's much harder than i anticipated. |
| 04:20:17 | disruptek | still, it's totally worth doing. |
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| 04:23:08 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> @mfiano well it's slightly weird but |
| 04:23:08 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> https://nim-lang.org/docs/math.html#splitDecimal%2CT |
| 04:23:49 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> seems `modf(1)` might work too |
| 04:27:22 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> Wow it makes me really happy that Nim defines tau |
| 04:27:31 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> best language alive |
| 04:27:34 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> tau > pi |
| 04:27:36 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> dont at me |
| 04:27:45 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Both mathematically and actually |
| 04:28:27 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> "tau is better than pi because it's bigger" |
| 04:28:34 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> galaxy brain take |
| 04:29:05 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Well not tau is better than pi cause when talking radians the fraction of tau represents the fractional part of a circle not a half circle |
| 04:29:12 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> no tau* |
| 04:29:48 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> 45 degrees is pi/4 which is tau/8 and 360/8 |
| 04:30:13 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Actually better 😄 |
| 04:30:21 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> Yeah but my argument is funnier :P |
| 04:31:03 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> True |
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| 04:42:24 | disruptek | rika: if you start streaming, i can move viewers to your channel when i sign off. |
| 04:43:07 | FromDiscord | <Rika> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnayKtaS2iWkRIyZBZzb4Kw/videos |
| 04:43:07 | FromDiscord | <Rika> |
| 04:43:07 | FromDiscord | <Rika> EXCEPT I'M ON YOUTUBE |
| 04:43:20 | FromDiscord | <Rika> well |
| 04:43:33 | FromDiscord | <Rika> maybe ill just use the twitch, but the name on my twitch is leetified |
| 04:44:02 | FromDiscord | <Rika> ill just use twitch |
| 04:44:07 | disruptek | yeah, we're all on twitch. |
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| 04:47:16 | FromDiscord | <Rika> ok ill try today |
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| 04:52:55 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> anybody had the issue of visual studio code not assigning the new files as nim when doing a new file? i have it set to do it but i keep having to manually switch to nim at the bottom |
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| 04:55:08 | FromDiscord | <Rika> is it saved as .nim |
| 04:55:16 | FromDiscord | <Rika> entering filename will not add .nim afaik |
| 04:56:13 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> dang okay well the only other issue i am having is even with nim in my variables i still cant auto open nim files |
| 04:56:24 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> have to right click them |
| 04:57:39 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> Is there a way to define a bunch of named parameters and default values that have the same type, without duplicating the type? |
| 04:58:26 | FromDiscord | <Rika> idts w/ default values |
| 04:58:31 | FromDiscord | <Rika> all parameters are "nameable" |
| 04:58:38 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> idts? |
| 04:58:41 | FromDiscord | <Rika> i dont think so |
| 05:00:54 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> I mean I could do `(min, max: float32)`, but I can't do `(min = 0.0, max = 1.0: float32)`, but instead `(min: float32 = 0.0, max: float32: 1.0)` unfortunately. Was just trying to be concise. |
| 05:01:15 | FromDiscord | <Rika> yeah |
| 05:01:41 | FromDiscord | <Rika> i mean you can min = 0.0f32 |
| 05:01:50 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> A lot of areas sacrifice concision where I'm used to it, but still liking this language so far |
| 05:02:57 | FromDiscord | <Rika> https://www.twitch.tv/d30d3x |
| 05:03:00 | FromDiscord | <Rika> trying it out now |
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| 05:10:51 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> What's the way to get the least negative or most positive float for one of the float types? |
| 05:11:06 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> I want to use them as a default for a named parameter |
| 05:11:13 | leorize | NegInf, Inf :P |
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| 05:11:28 | leorize | you can just use NaN |
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| 05:11:41 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> Well, negative infinity and positive infinity are distinct values different than the minimum or maximum as defined by IEEE 754 |
| 05:12:38 | FromDiscord | <Rika> you didnt specify that you wanted values from the IEEE754 |
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| 05:17:10 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> True, though infinity is inherently boundless and doesn't fit the criteria of "least" or "most". |
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| 05:22:19 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> hmmm is there a command that keeps the cmd that pops up from a exe open until it closes in nim? i created a exe for the hello world but opening it just flashes then closes within seconds |
| 05:22:39 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> hmmm is there a command that keeps the cmd that pops up from a exe open until you close it? i created a exe for the hello world but opening it just flashes then closes within seconds |
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| 05:25:48 | yumaikas | Are you on windows? |
| 05:26:17 | yumaikas | If so, reading a line from stdin _should_ hold open the window |
| 05:26:24 | shashlick | Run it on the command line |
| 05:26:40 | shashlick | Also check cmd /k |
| 05:28:02 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> i am on windows |
| 05:29:46 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> i can run it in cmd and it wont close but like clicking the exe of my new hello world causes that problem. so far my code is just echo "hello world" |
| 05:29:59 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> i am probably missing more stuff to it |
| 05:30:38 | yumaikas | Try adding stdin.readline() |
| 05:32:14 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> Well I got half of the answer. `minimumPositiveValue`/`maximumPositiveValue` in fenv. Too bad there isn't symmetrical negative variants. |
| 05:32:28 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> hmm |
| 05:32:28 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/371759389889003532/686083895522885684/rgsg.PNG |
| 05:33:14 | FromDiscord | <Rika> use `discard stdin.readline()` |
| 05:33:43 | FromDiscord | <Rika> in nim, when something returns a value and you dont use it, add a `discard` before it |
| 05:35:15 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> ah that makes a lot more sense |
| 05:35:46 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> in c sharp they had a command you added i think it was io(read) or something so it felt weird that the exe didnt stay open |
| 05:36:05 | yumaikas | Console.ReadLine(), iirc |
| 05:36:13 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> my bad |
| 05:36:16 | yumaikas | At least in C# |
| 05:36:33 | yumaikas | No worries, I've been writing C# for almost a decade |
| 05:36:37 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> yeah that looks like it. my memory is off |
| 05:36:42 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> a decade ? |
| 05:36:59 | yumaikas | Not quite, but since 2011 or so |
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| 05:37:13 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> geez i want that kind of experience. thank you everyone for the help |
| 05:37:21 | yumaikas | It was the first language I did professionally |
| 05:37:43 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> now i know how to build a exe using git bash |
| 05:38:00 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> can cmd do the same or do i really need git bash? |
| 05:38:10 | FromDiscord | <Rika> uh |
| 05:38:17 | FromDiscord | <Rika> git bash isnt the same thing as WSL |
| 05:38:41 | FromDiscord | <Rika> you can compile exes in cmd |
| 05:38:47 | yumaikas | The Nerd: If you're actively learning and diving deeper into things, and build a portfolio, you can get a _lot_ under your belt in a couple years |
| 05:39:05 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> true and what was wsl again? |
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| 05:39:19 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> the tutorial i am following uses git bash oddly |
| 05:39:22 | FromDiscord | <Rika> windows subsystem for linux |
| 05:39:24 | FromDiscord | <Rika> huh |
| 05:39:28 | FromDiscord | <Rika> cmd is just fine |
| 05:39:40 | yumaikas | Anything Nim specific that works in git bash should work in cms |
| 05:39:46 | yumaikas | *cmd |
| 05:40:04 | yumaikas | I've certainly used cmd and/or PowerShell for building Nim |
| 05:40:16 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> hmm let me try |
| 05:40:26 | yumaikas | (Nim is my tool of choice for making cmd less of a pain atm) |
| 05:40:32 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> ahh okay yeah i feel dumb |
| 05:40:43 | FromDiscord | <Rika> you have nim already installed? |
| 05:41:36 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> i do |
| 05:41:54 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> problem is getting the nim files to open automatically |
| 05:42:06 | yumaikas | How do you mean? |
| 05:42:22 | yumaikas | Editing Nim files, or executables built by Nim? |
| 05:43:09 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> editing nim files. like double clicking a nim file won't open it |
| 05:43:20 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> it just brings up a menu of what to open it with |
| 05:43:37 | FromDiscord | <Rika> set a program as default for opening .nim files |
| 05:43:50 | yumaikas | Then use that menu to pick your editor of choice, and tick the "set as default" box |
| 05:44:41 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> oh for some reason i thought it was suppose to auto open without me setting it |
| 05:44:54 | FromDiscord | <Rika> if you dont see a checkbox do this: |
| 05:45:03 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> i like visual studio code but i hear atom is good |
| 05:45:14 | FromDiscord | <Rika> right click the file, press "Open with...", then click the bottom most entry in the menu |
| 05:45:28 | FromDiscord | <Rika> vscode imo is the best for nim |
| 05:45:36 | FromDiscord | <Rika> best supported at least |
| 05:45:44 | yumaikas | VS Code is really good for Nim on Windows, IME. I haven't tried atom |
| 05:45:59 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> i will stick with vs code then |
| 05:46:19 | FromDiscord | <Rika> in my epenien? |
| 05:46:53 | FromDiscord | <Rika> dont forget to install the nim extension, if you haven't @The Nerd |
| 05:46:59 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> i have |
| 05:47:13 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> interesting, i can make nim files with notepad++ |
| 05:47:25 | FromDiscord | <Rika> you can make nim files with notepad. |
| 05:48:48 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> i feel like a kid walking into a new toy store. so much stuff to see and learn |
| 05:49:12 | FromDiscord | <Rika> thats good, i think |
| 05:50:01 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> that was my attempt to make yall laugh xd i am basically saying i have a lot to learn |
| 05:52:11 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> how long has everyone been programming with nim? |
| 05:53:08 | yumaikas | Since about a week after it went 1.0 |
| 05:53:37 | FromDiscord | <Rika> since 0.20, but i discovered it when it was still at 0.18 |
| 05:54:31 | yumaikas | I found it like... 4 years ago? But didn't jump on it then, because I was in a Golang phase |
| 05:54:32 | FromDiscord | <Rika> does os.setFilePermissions obey umask? |
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| 06:05:13 | FromDiscord | <The Nerd> hmm cmd definitely lacks some commands git bash does |
| 06:06:09 | yumaikas | That it does |
| 06:06:14 | FromDiscord | <Rika> it definitely does |
| 06:06:20 | yumaikas | On the plus side, it's a lot less laggy |
| 06:06:21 | FromDiscord | <Rika> btw, ls -> dir |
| 06:06:41 | FromDiscord | <Rika> i use powershell as it has aliases for unix-style commands |
| 06:06:56 | yumaikas | If you can patch in your favorite missing bits (I have a repo called dirx that is a halfway decent drop-in for a basic ls) |
| 06:07:13 | yumaikas | https://github.com/yumaikas/dirx |
| 06:07:33 | FromDiscord | <Rika> ohhh idea |
| 06:07:38 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> What would be a way to define an infix operator that takes an additional argument? I'd like to define a `~` operator that compares if 2 objects are approximately equal given some tolerance. |
| 06:07:38 | FromDiscord | <Rika> lftp clone for windows |
| 06:07:47 | FromDiscord | <Rika> god that will take at least a few months |
| 06:07:54 | FromDiscord | <Rika> i have a feeling that lftp is massive |
| 06:08:06 | FromDiscord | <Rika> @mfiano with a default |
| 06:08:22 | yumaikas | Lftp? |
| 06:08:24 | FromDiscord | <Rika> i made an `~=` operator if you wanna see how it looks like |
| 06:08:35 | FromDiscord | <Rika> yumaikas the ftp cli program i use |
| 06:08:46 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> @Rika Sure. I'm just trying to picture how the callsite would even look if I want to override the default. |
| 06:09:08 | FromDiscord | <Rika> ah |
| 06:09:34 | FromDiscord | <Rika> that's gonna look like \`~`(operand1, operand2, newDefaultValueForEpsilon) |
| 06:09:40 | FromDiscord | <Rika> yeah it's a pain |
| 06:09:54 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> I see. Can I see your impl? |
| 06:10:24 | yumaikas | Ftp anything seems like it'd take a while to get done..... I mean, the fundamentals are there, you have sockets available, and ftp and sftp should be well documented |
| 06:13:42 | FromDiscord | <Rika> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dIs |
| 06:13:46 | FromDiscord | <Rika> @mfiano ^ |
| 06:17:09 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> Interesting. I'm gonna have to read that reference. In some other codes of mine I'm porting, it is essentially `abs(x - y) < tolerance` |
| 06:18:47 | FromDiscord | <Rika> the reference says why not to use absolute difference |
| 06:19:01 | FromDiscord | <Rika> i already converted the source code on the reference so yeah |
| 06:19:24 | FromDiscord | <Rika> hmm i think its still kinda wrong |
| 06:19:27 | FromDiscord | <Rika> one moment |
| 06:20:56 | FromDiscord | <Rika> nvm i'm mistaken it's correct |
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| 06:24:59 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> Great, thanks |
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| 06:43:06 | FromDiscord | <Rika> lmao tested my linenoise port and it broke down literally immediately |
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| 07:01:26 | rmt | Good morning. I'm trying to copy the first N bytes of an UncheckedArray[uint8] to a sequence (or anything else that is a safe copy, as the UncheckedArray is a C buffer). What's the proper way to go about this? |
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| 07:04:23 | rmt | I can do for loop and assign byte for byte... |
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| 07:24:29 | leorize | rmt: there's also copyMem |
| 07:25:09 | leorize | though the safest way would be to loop |
| 07:26:11 | leorize | https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dIx |
| 07:26:15 | leorize | ^ that's the copymem way |
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| 07:38:03 | rmt | Ok. Then I could probably use copyMem and avoid casting to UncheckedArray, if I don't need to peek first. |
| 07:38:11 | rmt | Thanks |
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| 08:33:01 | FromDiscord | <Recruit_main70007> does nim have `asm()`? |
| 08:35:15 | watzon | Does indeed, I've been using it a lot |
| 08:35:40 | FromDiscord | <Recruit_main70007> cool |
| 08:36:18 | watzon | http://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/manual.html#statements-and-expressions-assembler-statement |
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| 10:47:46 | krux02 | Araq: where does iterator inlining take place? |
| 10:47:53 | krux02 | in the compiler source code? |
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| 10:57:21 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> How do I tell `nim c` or `nimble build`/`nimble run` to place compiled code in a dedicated directory rather than next to the source files? |
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| 11:00:48 | krux02 | mfiano with -o outputfile |
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| 11:02:11 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> What about package wide? |
| 11:05:13 | lqdev[m] | what do you mean? |
| 11:06:05 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> I have a binary for every source file next to it after i compile a project |
| 11:06:06 | FromDiscord | <Rika> do it for the whole package? define a nims file |
| 11:06:11 | FromGitter | <mratsim> there is a new option --outdir as well |
| 11:06:24 | FromGitter | <mratsim> for package wide use nim.cfg |
| 11:06:29 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> I tried ``--outdir`. must not be doing something right |
| 11:06:36 | FromGitter | <mratsim> or use a nimble task |
| 11:06:58 | FromGitter | <mratsim> --outdir:build works for me |
| 11:07:11 | FromGitter | <mratsim> are you usijg 1.0.x or devel? |
| 11:07:36 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> 1.0.6 |
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| 12:30:45 | FromGitter | <sheerluck> Yardanico: https://github.com/Yardanico/nim-emojify/pull/1/files |
| 12:30:46 | disbot | ➥ 🤔 |
| 12:32:03 | FromDiscord | <Rika> ._. |
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| 14:16:10 | Yardanico | @sheerluck it will only use first 10 emojis anyway |
| 14:16:31 | Yardanico | and mostly emojis with index 0-5 |
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| 15:38:32 | disruptek | zzzz |
| 15:39:15 | disruptek | ~stream |
| 15:39:16 | disbot | stream: 11https://twitch.tv/disruptek (live video/audio) and mumble://uberalles.mumbl.io/ (live voice chat) -- disruptek |
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| 16:17:25 | Guest53420 | disruptek: no sound on your stream! |
| 16:17:32 | * | Guest53420 is now known as dadada |
| 16:17:40 | disruptek | i don't believe it. |
| 16:18:02 | zedeus | click the volume icon? it's muted by default |
| 16:19:47 | disruptek | leorize: !tune Araq ormin |
| 16:20:50 | leorize | I just did :P |
| 16:20:54 | leorize | so what does that do? |
| 16:21:13 | dadada | zedeus, bug in pulseaudio/my-system I guess, now it's working |
| 16:21:13 | leorize | does it stream me the latest commits whenever it happens via private message? |
| 16:21:30 | disruptek | i think it's just issues right now, though. |
| 16:21:36 | disruptek | i forget what i implemented. |
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| 16:22:48 | disruptek | yes, but as i said... |
| 16:22:50 | disruptek | ~features |
| 16:22:51 | disbot | features: 11begin in the unfortunate state of /unimplemented/ -- disruptek |
| 16:23:05 | disruptek | but that's the idea. |
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| 16:36:01 | dom96 | More and more I wonder whether I wouldn't be done already if I just wrote my silly game in Unity |
| 16:37:48 | watzon | Most likely, but would it have been as fun/endlessly frustrating? |
| 16:39:57 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> dom96: what game are you making? |
| 16:44:07 | dom96 | an agar.io-like game called Stardust |
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| 16:48:58 | shashlick | I cannot find a single reputed and reliable source for bzip2 - will have to vendor it |
| 16:51:37 | shashlick | dom96: part of the problem with submodules is that when you nimble install and then do builds, you end up with build artifacts after which nimble does not uninstall since there are untracked files that get left behind |
| 16:53:14 | leorize | shashlick: you can get it from the homepage? https://sourceware.org/bzip2/ |
| 16:54:58 | shashlick | It is unreliable |
| 16:55:02 | shashlick | Http is down |
| 16:55:09 | disruptek | what about the ftp link? |
| 16:57:02 | shashlick | That is flaky |
| 16:57:09 | shashlick | Fails on some CI jobs |
| 16:58:23 | leorize | vendor it as a git submodule i guess |
| 16:58:31 | leorize | you should be able to specify the exact tag |
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| 17:14:01 | shashlick | Doubt the upstream git repo is even reliable, same host |
| 17:14:53 | dom96 | mirror it on github then |
| 17:19:35 | shashlick | dom96: what's your solution for the nimble issue I mentioned |
| 17:22:05 | dom96 | submodules get initialised before nimble installs the package so I don't understand how that's a problem |
| 17:22:22 | shashlick | That's not the problem |
| 17:22:34 | shashlick | The source needs to be compiled into a library |
| 17:22:45 | shashlick | That only happens at compile time, not at install time |
| 17:23:13 | shashlick | Which results in extra files |
| 17:23:29 | dom96 | what extra files? |
| 17:23:59 | shashlick | Building at install time doesn't work either since before install is too late |
| 17:24:40 | shashlick | .o, .dll, .a and .so files |
| 17:24:48 | shashlick | And other build artifacts |
| 17:25:56 | dom96 | why are those ending up in with the package source code? |
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| 17:44:42 | shashlick | Where else does make build stuff |
| 17:44:42 | shashlick | And configure scripts |
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| 17:49:15 | watzon | I'm using make for my OS project |
| 17:49:19 | watzon | No configure though |
| 17:50:46 | dom96 | shashlick, this is what happens when you're running a non-nimble build system |
| 17:51:01 | dom96 | nim(ble) won't put build files in those directories |
| 17:51:22 | dom96 | IMO it's up to you to make sure these are built somewhere else |
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| 18:11:09 | dadada | disruptek: your stream is on the left, I do stuff on the right, I can't really follow all you're doing, cause of other stuff, but you keep me motivated to learn more about nim (and I do), also I strongly want incremental compilation to work, so I really dig what you're doing! |
| 18:13:02 | shashlick | Exactly which is why submodules doesn't work and nimterop does what it does where it does |
| 18:13:29 | dadada | disruptek: heh, yeah, two screens, I used to have three, but that wasn't good for my attention deficit disorder :D |
| 18:16:32 | Zevv | dude leave the music on! |
| 18:17:04 | dadada | yeah, I want disruptek 24/7 |
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| 19:12:22 | FromGitter | <wrq_gitlab> is there something simple to shove a seq into an array? |
| 19:14:22 | leorize | wdym |
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| 19:14:29 | leorize | seq[T] -> array[T]? |
| 19:14:38 | FromGitter | <wrq_gitlab> yeah |
| 19:14:52 | leorize | for loop |
| 19:14:58 | leorize | that's the safest |
| 19:15:19 | FromGitter | <wrq_gitlab> ok, yeah thats easy enough, I guess I'll write like a little template or something |
| 19:15:24 | FromGitter | <wrq_gitlab> thanks! |
| 19:15:58 | leorize | `for idx, val in array: array[idx] = seq[idx]` |
| 19:16:06 | leorize | literrally one line :P |
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| 19:31:24 | disruptek | omg you guys snipped that rant about comments. |
| 19:32:07 | disruptek | ~stream |
| 19:32:08 | disbot | stream: 11https://twitch.tv/disruptek (live video/audio) and mumble://uberalles.mumbl.io/ (live voice chat) -- disruptek |
| 19:32:21 | disruptek | i think we are about to really get stuck-in. |
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| 19:52:29 | dadada | so I just read the discussion on keeping style insensitivity or not, and as someone just recently learning Nim, for me this feature is a big sell, because you could add nim code to any existing codebase (Python, Java, C/C++, whatever) and adapt to the style of the bigger codebase |
| 19:52:58 | disruptek | more commonly, it's the opposite. |
| 19:56:09 | dadada | especially in commercial development developers often get strict style guides, now if Nim code can follow any of those styles, it becomes an option, otherwise they might dismiss it simply because they would've to add a second style guide (and it wouldn't fit in) ... when developing private stuff I think many devs have their own taste for style and Nim allows them to express it ... so I think this feature |
| 19:56:15 | dadada | should be kept, at least it doesn't get in my way (but others may think differently) |
| 19:57:23 | disruptek | there are no plans to remove this feature. |
| 19:59:03 | dadada | another great thing about it: you could write nimpretty like tools that enforce a user defined style, making it easier for developers to be in line with whatever style guide there may be |
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| 20:19:41 | dadada | disruptek: I care about the stream, but I'm also working on something here, so my attention is divided |
| 20:20:04 | disruptek | it's confusing that people watch outside of chat. |
| 20:22:41 | dadada | well, I don't want to register with twitch now, neither do I have or want a facebook account |
| 20:23:14 | disruptek | you people... |
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| 20:25:51 | dadada | disruptek: is there any caching for the expansion/generation of macros to their final nim code? I mean are they reprocessed each time, even with no changes? |
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| 20:55:10 | Yardanico | !repo halonium |
| 20:55:11 | disbot | https://github.com/halonium/halonium -- 9halonium: 11A browser automation engine written in Nim 15 1⭐ 0🍴 |
| 20:55:11 | Yardanico | interesting project |
| 20:56:47 | clyybber | dadada: Nope, they are cached too afaik |
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| 20:58:16 | disruptek | clyybber come on the stream and help me figure out sighashes for pnode. |
| 21:00:06 | clyybber | my sister just came home from england this very moment |
| 21:00:16 | disruptek | bring her on. |
| 21:00:21 | clyybber | I'll join you later :) |
| 21:00:24 | clyybber | disruptek: lol |
| 21:01:06 | clyybber | like 15 minutes or so |
| 21:01:10 | disruptek | kk |
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| 21:19:21 | silvernode | disruptek: there's a stream? |
| 21:19:25 | Yardanico | ~stream |
| 21:19:26 | disbot | stream: 11https://twitch.tv/disruptek (live video/audio) and mumble://uberalles.mumbl.io/ (live voice chat) |
| 21:19:44 | silvernode | Thanks |
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| 21:22:11 | silvernode | Adium still exists? |
| 21:22:19 | Yardanico | ? |
| 21:22:35 | silvernode | Oh nothing, just reading verbose messages in IRC |
| 21:25:23 | disruptek | ~araq |
| 21:25:24 | disbot | araq: 11👑 the powers that He 👑 -- disruptek |
| 21:26:27 | dadada | when was the crown selected as logo for Nim? |
| 21:26:28 | silvernode | So Araq is the founder! What a guy! |
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| 21:29:17 | krux02 | yea, he is also very active here on IRC and on the github issues. |
| 21:29:57 | Yardanico | dadada: I guess you'd have to ask Ar*q or other people who know nim (nimrod) for a long time, I think the crown was there even in 2014 |
| 21:31:24 | krux02 | I don't know about the crown, for me it was always there. But nimrod was a King from the beginning. |
| 21:32:11 | krux02 | but I think in an american slang nimrod was/is an insult, therefore the name change from Nimrod to just Nim. |
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| 21:41:01 | dadada | disruptek: the other guy talking on your stream (is it silvernode?) should turn his volume down just a little bit |
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| 21:41:34 | dadada | I mean when his voice appears it's relatively loud |
| 21:41:51 | silvernode | silvernode is not talking |
| 21:42:13 | silvernode | Mike's audio is perfect balance on my end |
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| 21:53:09 | dadada | it should be pretty simple to write a wrapper around nim that converts regular C style bracket code into python/nim style whitespaced code... I mean, I don't want it, I don't need it or like it, but for those who want it... I think it'd be pretty easy to get done... |
| 21:56:00 | krux02 | dadada, actually in the past there was a mode in Nim to do exactly that. |
| 21:56:43 | FromDiscord | <Recruit_main70007> was? |
| 21:56:53 | FromDiscord | <Recruit_main70007> Why would it be taken away? |
| 21:57:19 | dadada | Recruit_main70007: I assume things get taken away because it's easier to maintain less features |
| 21:57:44 | krux02 | because every feauter has permanent support costs. Nobody payed for it and it was not necessary for anything. |
| 21:58:00 | krux02 | dadada: yes |
| 21:58:08 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> I mean this exists |
| 21:58:08 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> https://github.com/nim-lang/c2nim |
| 21:58:15 | krux02 | There are still to many features in Nim that should be removed. |
| 21:58:22 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Unless im missing something |
| 21:58:35 | krux02 | Mostly because they are broken and nobody fixes their bugs and overall they don't really solve any problem. |
| 21:58:50 | disruptek | clyybber: it's mfiano |
| 21:59:40 | krux02 | Elegant Beef: I wasn't about that, it was about at {} oriented nim style that isn't based on semantic whitespace. |
| 22:01:11 | dadada | krux02: what features? |
| 22:01:17 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Ah |
| 22:01:39 | dadada | s/what/which |
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| 22:05:16 | krux02 | dadada: This is my personal opinion, but the features that I think should be removed and reintroduced with fresh ideas are: concepts, varargs, typedesc |
| 22:05:35 | krux02 | well typedesc doesn't need to be removed, but 90% of it's functionality should be removed. |
| 22:06:37 | dadada | well, that's not very reassuring to someone who now wants to learn all of that... haven't used concepts or typedesc yet, though I have learned to use varargs and so far like it |
| 22:08:50 | krux02 | well, that is the reason why I want to remove concepts, so that people stop learning them and then after hours of practice realize that they are a broken design. |
| 22:09:34 | krux02 | don't get me wrong. The idea of concepts it great, varargs are also very important. |
| 22:09:48 | clyybber | dadada: I mean, you could pipe every file through a shell script beforehand to accomplish the brace thing |
| 22:09:54 | krux02 | But the current implementation is just in a dead end that can't be fixed without breaking something else. |
| 22:09:57 | dadada | why do you want to remove varargs when you admit they are important? |
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| 22:11:02 | krux02 | dadada: have you ever tried bringin in a new couche into a living room before moving the old one out? |
| 22:11:07 | krux02 | it is a similar problem. |
| 22:12:54 | dadada | krux02: no I didn't try that :-) heh ... but this is a very abstract description of a problem, I probably don't have a vote in this, but I'd keep varargs, they make sense to me, unless you can offer something that's better |
| 22:13:20 | krux02 | dadada: I can give you `varargs`. |
| 22:13:47 | krux02 | but before I can give you varargs, I have to take varargs away from you otherwise there is no space in the language to add varargs. |
| 22:14:00 | krux02 | But yes I have something that is technically better than varargs. |
| 22:14:05 | krux02 | It is called openArray. |
| 22:14:25 | krux02 | `openArray` works, it has no technical problems. |
| 22:14:39 | krux02 | varargs has technical problems |
| 22:16:33 | dadada | krux02: you're too abstract, what technical problem is that? |
| 22:17:25 | krux02 | on one hand it is performance problems for varargs[string, `$`] because of all the allocations, but other than that, it is also deeper in overload resolution. A heavy bug that you will probably not encounter unless you really do a lot of varargs, but if you encounter it, it will be very bad. |
| 22:17:46 | clyybber | The performance problem isn't a symptom of varargs |
| 22:17:51 | clyybber | varargs has no performance problem |
| 22:17:58 | clyybber | its just a convinence feature |
| 22:18:16 | clyybber | krux02: And bugs can be fixed |
| 22:18:54 | clyybber | ripping out a feature and adding it back again isn't any better than doing a big possibly breaking refactoring/bug fixing |
| 22:19:45 | krux02 | https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/10975 |
| 22:19:47 | disbot | ➥ Self Conflicting Logic in varargs Parameter Passing ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2510 |
| 22:20:37 | krux02 | clyybber: read that bug understand it and then comment on it. |
| 22:21:10 | krux02 | it doesn't fit in an IRC message, and it is not a bug that can be fixed. |
| 22:21:33 | krux02 | It is about two requirements that were met that can't coexist at the same time. |
| 22:21:49 | clyybber | sure it can be fixed |
| 22:21:52 | clyybber | change the spec |
| 22:22:02 | krux02 | the only way to fix one of the requirements it to break the other. |
| 22:22:55 | krux02 | This bug in combination with the performance problem is the reason why I don't recommend to use varargs to anybody. |
| 22:23:20 | krux02 | maybe some day I will fix varargs, but its hard. |
| 22:23:37 | krux02 | constantly people are adding new feauters into Nim |
| 22:23:45 | clyybber | not really |
| 22:23:58 | krux02 | well I am a bit frustrated. |
| 22:24:01 | clyybber | I know |
| 22:24:15 | krux02 | sorry if I am a bit too negative. |
| 22:24:33 | dadada | clyybber: yeah, that's like I view it, as a convenience feature that should stay ... bugs should be fixed... but I can understand krux02, I know what frustration feels like |
| 22:24:35 | silvernode | krux02: Glass half enpty? |
| 22:24:41 | silvernode | empty* |
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| 22:25:04 | krux02 | no its not that. |
| 22:25:09 | clyybber | krux02: You are not too negative, your view is just a bit too narrow |
| 22:25:14 | clyybber | great things are coming :D |
| 22:25:36 | krux02 | well what do you think will come? |
| 22:25:42 | clyybber | arc |
| 22:25:55 | krux02 | I am sceptical about arc. |
| 22:26:01 | clyybber | well |
| 22:26:08 | krux02 | Not that the concept is bad. No I think it is a great concept. |
| 22:26:39 | krux02 | But the implementation has bugs. And it will have bugs in the future as well. Simply because everything in Nim has bugs. |
| 22:26:42 | clyybber | you don't see the use of refs |
| 22:26:50 | clyybber | so I guess you are not really the target audience |
| 22:26:52 | krux02 | The only day that I don't encounter a new bug in Nim is the day I don't program in Nim. |
| 22:27:01 | krux02 | And that is what is frustrating me about it. |
| 22:27:05 | clyybber | krux02: fix em |
| 22:27:07 | clyybber | fix em |
| 22:27:09 | clyybber | fix em |
| 22:27:12 | clyybber | its hard |
| 22:27:15 | clyybber | but its needed |
| 22:27:22 | clyybber | and theres no way around it |
| 22:27:22 | krux02 | And fixing the bugs is also not possible, because fixing the bugs requires to break other features. |
| 22:27:33 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Clyybber do you load images in your engine yet, and if so what do you use? |
| 22:27:36 | clyybber | now you are switching topics |
| 22:27:51 | clyybber | Elegant Beef: I'm using stb_image |
| 22:27:54 | krux02 | or fixing the bugs is just too complicated and tiring because the compiler became too complex over the years. |
| 22:28:11 | clyybber | krux02: Yeah, afaik araq will do refactorings next year |
| 22:28:13 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> ah damn, im also using it and with ogl it's not playing nice |
| 22:28:16 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> So i guess gg i lose |
| 22:28:18 | clyybber | and I want to do some too |
| 22:28:29 | krux02 | Elegant Beef: SDL_image also works nice for image loading. |
| 22:28:35 | clyybber | Elegant Beef: Its just a seq of pixels in the end |
| 22:28:40 | krux02 | or better said SDL2_image |
| 22:28:40 | clyybber | so whats the problem? |
| 22:28:53 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Yea i know im getting nil when using glTexImage2D |
| 22:28:56 | clyybber | krux02: Look at injectdestructors.nim |
| 22:29:04 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> but there is only one variable that's not a constant |
| 22:29:06 | clyybber | its not bad |
| 22:29:17 | clyybber | (disclaimer: I'm biased) |
| 22:29:22 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> and that variable isnt emptied |
| 22:29:30 | clyybber | because I rewrote a good part of it |
| 22:29:31 | krux02 | I don't need an example in Nim that is nicely written. |
| 22:29:47 | krux02 | I can give you an example as well (the code that I contributed :P) |
| 22:29:57 | clyybber | well, simple code is less likely to contain bugs |
| 22:30:00 | krux02 | well not all I contributed is nice |
| 22:30:16 | clyybber | krux02: Same, I made an ugly contribution yesterday |
| 22:30:22 | krux02 | and? |
| 22:30:24 | krux02 | was it rejected? |
| 22:30:30 | clyybber | nope, I merged it :p |
| 22:30:34 | clyybber | its not that bad tho |
| 22:30:37 | krux02 | yea exactly. |
| 22:30:49 | krux02 | but things that improve code quality don't get merged. |
| 22:30:52 | clyybber | And I'm making a PR cleaning it up |
| 22:31:16 | clyybber | krux02: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/commit/eae31a7f8d5f26bbfc27c3f0746a583154d451c9 |
| 22:31:32 | clyybber | It fixes the wall of text that is a link command |
| 22:31:55 | clyybber | so its better than before. Its just a bit of a violation of seperation of concerns to put the check into execWithEcho |
| 22:32:04 | clyybber | but its minor really |
| 22:32:07 | clyybber | I guess |
| 22:32:46 | clyybber | and the check has been there before |
| 22:32:50 | clyybber | in another place |
| 22:33:22 | clyybber | where it was removed by timothee which caused the link hint to always display the link command |
| 22:33:29 | clyybber | which was annoying |
| 22:35:13 | krux02 | clyybber: my personal advice just ignore all PR and comments from timothee |
| 22:35:36 | clyybber | well, I saw you like some of them recently, soo :p |
| 22:35:55 | krux02 | his contributions have the lovest code quality from all contributors. But he has the most open issues and PR from all, generally reducing the average code quality by a lot. |
| 22:36:02 | FromDiscord | <Recruit_main70007> @timotheecour they re talking shit about your code bro ^ |
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| 22:37:08 | krux02 | well he knows what I think about him. |
| 22:37:19 | krux02 | but he is very good at ignoring it. |
| 22:38:30 | krux02 | btw here are some of my PRs that I think are great but that aren't merged because of whatever: |
| 22:38:37 | krux02 | https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13274 |
| 22:38:37 | disbot | ➥ implementation for newLit on distinct types (fixes #13266) |
| 22:38:43 | krux02 | https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/12778 |
| 22:38:44 | disbot | ➥ add expectIdent to macros |
| 22:38:52 | krux02 | https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13398 |
| 22:38:53 | disbot | ➥ Small refactor on generic dollar for object |
| 22:38:59 | krux02 | https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13536 |
| 22:39:00 | disbot | ➥ fix operators containing percent for VM usage |
| 22:39:05 | krux02 | https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/12430 |
| 22:39:07 | disbot | ➥ forward type alignments to allocators |
| 22:39:28 | silvernode | Oh lordy! |
| 22:39:34 | clyybber | lol |
| 22:39:55 | clyybber | krux02: Look at his merged PRs |
| 22:40:08 | clyybber | those who are really bad usually don't get merged :) |
| 22:41:26 | krux02 | clyybber: usually when I get annoyed by timothee I read the sourcecode of the compiler, then I stumble upon some shitty code and I think "WTF, why? Who the fuck did this?" and then git blame tells me. It is always timothee. |
| 22:41:27 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> 10 exposure bucks for anyone that can point where the nil is here |
| 22:41:27 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> https://hastebin.com/otanuxuvaf.css |
| 22:42:42 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> `dataptr[].pixels != nil` |
| 22:42:54 | clyybber | krux02: Hate on his contributions all you like, but please don't hate on him |
| 22:43:02 | clyybber | I know we all get angry sometimes |
| 22:43:17 | clyybber | but think about what you would do in real life |
| 22:43:22 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Something tells me my issue isnt actual a nil but i dont see the issue |
| 22:43:30 | clyybber | you would correct him and be done with it |
| 22:44:10 | krux02 | clyybber: that is what I did in the past as well. |
| 22:44:18 | clyybber | i KNOW |
| 22:44:24 | clyybber | sorry fo the caps |
| 22:44:40 | clyybber | krux02: im not blaming you that you are getting tired of doing that |
| 22:45:01 | krux02 | Elegant Beef: I use glTextureImage2D it is a but easier to use. |
| 22:45:45 | dadada | krux02: does he merge his own pull requests? If not, then you can't really put all the blame on him. Hating accomplishes nothing, I read some of his pull requests on github, and liked some of them (didn't usually at the code though) bases on their ideas. The merits of pull requests should be evaluated on an individual basis, not on who makes them. |
| 22:46:06 | clyybber | exactly |
| 22:46:19 | dadada | ... I seriously dislike when projects get distracted by interpersonal matters, I usually leave such projects, so please stop |
| 22:46:34 | krux02 | Well, but I know by the style and quality of the PR if it is a timothee PR or not. |
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| 22:46:53 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Yall are shit, and write despiciablly bad code |
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| 22:46:57 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> All your code is bad |
| 22:46:58 | krux02 | his style is very distinct. And very far away from what I think is acceptable. |
| 22:47:00 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Accept it |
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| 22:47:38 | inv2004 | Hello, just switched from win to lin (it is not interesting), which nim-editor should I try now? vs-code or nvim is ok now ? |
| 22:47:48 | clyybber | dadada: I agree |
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| 22:48:28 | silvernode | inv2004: What functionaility are you after? |
| 22:48:31 | dadada | inv2004: vs-code is probably easier for a beginner, I like it a lot and use it currently. nvim is also great, of course. vs-code also has a good vim emulation extension |
| 22:48:51 | krux02 | inv2004: emacs vs-code and emacs are the common editors then it is about year preference. I stick to emacs without nimsuggest. |
| 22:48:53 | clyybber | But also, everyone here is a human and can have their voice |
| 22:49:08 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Also what do you mean krux, the method you mentioned doesnt exist in the bindings i have |
| 22:49:10 | silvernode | inv2004: Try them all, winner takes all. |
| 22:49:14 | krux02 | yea, I am a human as well. A grumpy programmer human. |
| 22:49:23 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> Also it's not a problem with me |
| 22:49:26 | clyybber | But its usually easier to quickly disperse conflicts by voice or real life |
| 22:49:34 | FromDiscord | <Elegant Beef> All the values are not nil |
| 22:49:34 | krux02 | Elegant Beef: what is not a problem with you? |
| 22:49:43 | inv2004 | @dadada, I do not think that Im beginner, I spent ~15years on linux (before windows), and used to vim, but last years I found that it is about impossible to live without normal IDE, but I did not try nvim |
| 22:49:45 | clyybber | so we need to get krux02 and timothee together on mumble :p |
| 22:50:11 | krux02 | no thanks. |
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| 22:50:36 | clyybber | krux02: But you really are grumpy sometimes :p |
| 22:50:58 | clyybber | but its fine :) |
| 22:51:36 | dadada | inv2004: simply put, there's no wrong choice, vs-code on linux is surprisingly good, and vim/nvim obviously, too |
| 22:51:49 | krux02 | yea I know, sometimes I just want to get my frustration out and then feel better. |
| 22:51:56 | clyybber | krux02: Fair enough |
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| 22:53:20 | inv2004 | I did not have any problems to dev on win, but several weeks ago I found that compile time on linux is ~2x times faster, and ~ the same for nim, thats why decided to switch. |
| 22:54:01 | krux02 | iteresting |
| 22:54:16 | krux02 | generally do I think that developing software on Linux is a better experience. |
| 22:54:43 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> @Rika Might want to put the zero check first in your `~=` proc so you're not computing needless computations. |
| 22:55:03 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> err I mean the `==` check |
| 22:56:17 | dadada | krux02: the problem here is, you repeat multiple times how bad someone and his code supposedly are, what do you think this accomplishes? Nothing! Nothing at all. You simply vent. You're putting toxic energy into this project, probably making that someone feel worse, but I'm also getting uncomfortable by this talk and I'm not even him. Will I be treated the same why when I make my first attempts at fixing bugs |
| 22:56:23 | dadada | or adding something to Nim? Now, if instead, you had focused purely on the technical opinion on invidual lines of code or pull requests or ideas, this would have been completely understood/accepted by me, and I probably would've learned something from you and be thankful. But now my impression of you is way worse than of timothee. :-) Although I'm sure you're a great programmer guy. |
| 22:56:49 | dadada | s/why/way |
| 22:57:06 | FromDiscord | <mfiano> This is quite disturbing indeed. |
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| 23:00:39 | krux02 | dadada: Well thanks for your thoughs. |
| 23:01:12 | krux02 | I really do welcome first time contributors. |
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| 23:03:35 | krux02 | maybe I should stop ranting. |
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| 23:09:45 | dadada | krux02: maybe you can collect examples of bad code and put them into the wiki with an explanation as to why the code is bad and what should be done instead? turn this into something positive... I'd be thankful for a resource where I can learn what not to do |
| 23:11:08 | krux02 | dadada: well the space of possibilities that you should not do is just too big to list it all. |
| 23:11:14 | krux02 | it is literally infinite. |
| 23:11:23 | krux02 | The list of things that you should do is much shorter. |
| 23:11:48 | krux02 | but if you care for examples. |
| 23:11:58 | krux02 | try to avoid code branches. |
| 23:12:22 | krux02 | if you can express things without `if` or `when` it is clean code. |
| 23:12:46 | krux02 | if you have code that is an `if` every two or three lines, then you are clearly doing something wrong. |
| 23:12:48 | clyybber | code that doesn't do anything is cleaner than code that does :p |
| 23:13:19 | krux02 | well no, code that doesn't do anything is bad. |
| 23:13:24 | krux02 | No code is better than code. |
| 23:13:36 | krux02 | Not doing something is generally the best. |
| 23:14:10 | krux02 | strip your code, reduce lines. And preserve a flow for the reader. Don't just too much around. |
| 23:14:47 | krux02 | With that I mean, don't but logic behind a function, if you don't plan to reuse it. |
| 23:14:54 | krux02 | sorry |
| 23:14:55 | clyybber | defer defer defer defer defer defer defer defer |
| 23:14:59 | clyybber | :p |
| 23:15:44 | krux02 | what I mean it, don put logic behind a function, if you don't reuse it. |
| 23:15:57 | krux02 | in other words |
| 23:16:07 | krux02 | a function that has only a signle usage should be inlined. |
| 23:16:31 | clyybber | except for when you know you are gonna use it somewhere else later |
| 23:16:33 | krux02 | Be sparse with abstractions. |
| 23:16:33 | clyybber | but I agree |
| 23:16:52 | dadada | krux02: how do you know something only has a single usage, and will not be needed again at some later time? |
| 23:17:01 | krux02 | yea but you have to know it. And often you are wrong with knowing. |
| 23:17:20 | krux02 | So generally I wait until I really want to reuse that part of the code before I put in in a function. |
| 23:17:39 | clyybber | those discussions don't make sense so generally |
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| 23:18:09 | clyybber | when you are providing an API the situation is different |
| 23:18:14 | krux02 | dadada: you don't know. Therefore you just write it inline. |
| 23:18:42 | clyybber | dadada: When you want to contribute, just do it. We will tell you if theres something that can be improved :) |
| 23:21:41 | dadada | krux02: put your rules for good code vs bad code on a wiki page / or blog ... while what you're saying is interesting here, the target audience should be everyone who might contribute to Nim in the future (or simply write Nim code generally), and I don't buy that you couldn't highlight some examples because there're thousands of things that can go wrong, since there are classes of problems, you don't need to |
| 23:21:47 | dadada | discuss each possible case |
| 23:22:31 | krux02 | dadada: you asked for examples of bad code |
| 23:22:38 | krux02 | I just have a very fresh examples |
| 23:22:45 | clyybber | no no no |
| 23:22:51 | dadada | krux02: please don't do what I suspect! |
| 23:22:54 | clyybber | lets simply not do this |
| 23:23:00 | krux02 | don't worry it has nothing to do with timothee |
| 23:23:16 | krux02 | here look at this bug: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/13417 |
| 23:23:21 | krux02 | I just posted a workaround |
| 23:24:19 | krux02 | this is the difference: |
| 23:24:40 | dadada | krux02: you still don't get it, I didn't ask for examples for me personally right now, I hinted at the value of having a learning resource for all people currently or in the future working with Nim, instead of repeating your valuable lessons each time someone here asks you, it'd be much more efficient to point them to an URL where they can learn |
| 23:24:42 | krux02 | for x in ip1(p1()): ---> for x in ip1((discard;p1())): |
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| 23:25:31 | krux02 | yea that is true, and to be honest it is the exact same advice that I gave to Araq when I came here online for the first time. |
| 23:25:51 | dadada | and when was that :-) |
| 23:26:05 | krux02 | at least two years ago |
| 23:26:16 | krux02 | I think even more |
| 23:26:23 | krux02 | maybe three |
| 23:27:38 | krux02 | I think the tutorials and the examples could have some work. But I do use this channel as a reference point. Think that get asked often I try to fix in the manual, because usually they come here after reading the manual |
| 23:27:54 | krux02 | if the manual is too big, they would come here before reading it :P |
| 23:28:31 | krux02 | anyway, what I want to explain I really want to get out right now. |
| 23:28:44 | krux02 | It is a nice example of bad style in the compiler. |
| 23:28:47 | krux02 | I can't fix it |
| 23:34:23 | dadada | krux02: yeah, that issue is concerning, it looks like something really basic that people would not accept in a language that is more than 10 years old |
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| 23:39:21 | dadada | krux02: I think I know why it happens |
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| 23:43:12 | shashlick | here's the fact, programmers are very opinionated and you have to be just as accepting of krux02 as you ask him to be of timothee |
| 23:43:39 | dadada | shashlick: definitely! |
| 23:44:01 | shashlick | i don't like working on some nim projects since the owners are so nitpicky about style and structure and ask for hundreds of changes before anything goes in |
| 23:44:20 | shashlick | meanwhile, i'm also picky when people submit PRs into my projects so it's a wash |
| 23:44:38 | shashlick | fact is that when i work on my own stuff, my velocity is 1000x when compared to PRs |
| 23:44:47 | dadada | yeah, I think there's more than one valid style of coding |
| 23:45:03 | shashlick | and if a project has to grow, you need to learn to let go and trust |
| 23:45:32 | shashlick | but there is a limit to everything and everyone has their own line in the sand |
| 23:45:40 | dadada | makes sense |
| 23:47:59 | shashlick | standard middle path ambiguous stuff 🙂 |
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| 23:55:13 | reversem3 | I’m looking for advice how to get started creating SOLID apps using nim, right now I can only find react or angular examples. https://codesandbox.io/embed/github/Vinnl/notepod/tree/5-writing-data/?module=%2Fsrc%2FApp.tsx&codemirror=1 |
| 23:55:54 | reversem3 | * I’m looking for advice how to get started creating SOLID apps using nim, right now I can only find react or angular examples. |
| 23:55:55 | reversem3 | Here is some code |
| 23:55:55 | reversem3 | https://codesandbox.io/embed/github/Vinnl/notepod/tree/5-writing-data/?module=%2Fsrc%2FApp.tsx&codemirror=1 |
| 23:56:10 | shashlick | also worth mention that there's people from around the globe here and different cultures have different communication styles |
| 23:58:14 | dadada | krux02: so, it looks to me like openArray envelopes the whole proc call somehow, each time you call len() or the items() operator on the openArray, the p1() call is first executed |
