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| 00:54:51 | dom96 | Trustable, shashlick: please ask questions via PM instead of here. |
| 00:55:04 | dom96 | I can't answer you when you're not on IRC, but I can here because there are logs |
| 00:55:07 | dom96 | also, others can help! |
| 00:55:23 | dom96 | lol, er, the other way around |
| 00:55:28 | dom96 | please ask them here instead of via PM |
| 00:55:29 | dom96 | :) |
| 00:56:04 | dom96 | Trustable: answer to your questions is "Yes" and "That warning looks wrong" |
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| 02:00:46 | shashlick | Sounds good dom96 |
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| 02:03:14 | shashlick | I'm just curious what time is this channel usually active? It seems like GMT evenings |
| 02:03:35 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> most core nim contributors are Euro I believe |
| 02:03:57 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> generally during evenings EST it's Varriount, myself, ftsf and a few others |
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| 02:27:35 | FromGitter | <Varriount> Hm? |
| 02:28:35 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> that was @shashlick asking about when folks were active in the channel |
| 02:29:28 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> CL is interesting, not sure how much I like it so far... |
| 02:38:26 | FromGitter | <Varriount> CL? |
| 02:38:32 | FromGitter | <Varriount> Oh, Common lisp |
| 02:38:54 | FromGitter | <Varriount> @zacharycarter Hope you bought enough parenthesis. :D |
| 02:39:13 | FromGitter | <ephja> I have some leftover parentheses if you need any |
| 02:39:28 | FromGitter | <ephja> I recall stumbling upon odd loop constructs for CL |
| 02:40:21 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> yo. so many parentheses.... |
| 02:40:28 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> seems super powerful though |
| 02:41:23 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> I think we need to start a #NimGames community |
| 02:41:30 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> lisp has one |
| 02:55:01 | shashlick | I'm in CST so see long hours where it's quiet here |
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| 03:03:21 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> yeah it's definitely quieter here during US prime time |
| 03:03:28 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> but that just means we need to attract more users to Nim |
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| 03:27:10 | FromGitter | <Varriount> @zacharycarter I believe one of more popular PS1 games was written in lisp... I can't recall the name though. |
| 03:27:22 | FromGitter | <Varriount> Something similar to Ratchet and Clank in genre |
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| 03:35:47 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> @Varriount all Naughty Dog's games are written in CL |
| 03:36:07 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> so the uncharted series |
| 03:36:49 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> I think I finally have zengine off on the right foot |
| 03:37:05 | FromGitter | <TheSuspiciousWombat> @zacharycarter Are you sure? |
| 03:37:12 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> about? |
| 03:37:14 | FromGitter | <TheSuspiciousWombat> wasnt it racket? |
| 03:37:25 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> maybe |
| 03:37:43 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Oriented_Assembly_Lisp |
| 03:38:03 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> I think that's for Ratchet and Clank though |
| 03:38:25 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> https://www.slideshare.net/naughty_dog/statebased-scripting-in-uncharted-2-among-thieves |
| 03:38:30 | FromGitter | <TheSuspiciousWombat> "We still use lisp in our data compiler tool, but the engine itself is written in C++. We switched to using C++ on Uncharted: Drakes Fortune to allow for better code sharing with other Sony studios." |
| 03:39:09 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> looks like a lot of lispy stuff in ^ |
| 03:40:05 | FromGitter | <TheSuspiciousWombat> @zacharycarter Maybe you mean crash bandicoot by the ps1 game? |
| 03:40:09 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> so maybe scripting gets done in some lisp dialect and then engine code is written in C++ |
| 03:40:11 | FromGitter | <TheSuspiciousWombat> awesome game btw |
| 03:40:21 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> probably |
| 03:41:34 | FromGitter | <TheSuspiciousWombat> Only game i liked more on the ps1 was croc :D |
| 03:41:53 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> ah man, you're bringing back memories :P |
| 03:45:03 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> the Nim colors module needs work IMO |
| 03:45:06 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> no alpha component |
| 03:45:12 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> no accessors to the rgb components |
| 03:49:11 | shashlick | Does the nim forum have a mobile view? |
| 03:52:13 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> doubtful |
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| 04:03:45 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> gotten drawing an opengl triangle down to 60 loc in the main nim file |
| 04:03:52 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> getting there in terms of abstraction... |
| 04:03:58 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> ideally it's like 10 loc |
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| 04:08:18 | shashlick | Chrome on Android is doing a good job in the mobile friendly view of the forum though |
| 04:08:56 | shashlick | In fact it is loading all pages in one shot instead of paginating |
| 04:16:26 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> :D nice |
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| 04:57:29 | FromGitter | <superfunc_twitter> @zacharycarter the last game scripted in their LISP was the last Jak game |
| 04:57:49 | Xe | they wrote the whole game in lisp |
| 04:58:13 | FromGitter | <superfunc_twitter> Scripted was the wrong word my bad |
| 04:58:40 | FromGitter | <superfunc_twitter> `s/scripted/written/` |
| 05:00:27 | FromGitter | <superfunc_twitter> some fun articles on it here: http://all-things-andy-gavin.com/2011/03/12/making-crash-bandicoot-gool-part-9/ |
| 05:09:24 | skrylar | superfunc_twitter they use racket now |
| 05:12:01 | FromGitter | <superfunc_twitter> skrylar: yeah, they gave a talk at racketcon a couple years back that was really neat |
| 05:13:46 | FromGitter | <superfunc_twitter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSmqbnhHp1c |
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| 08:57:59 | salewski | Some people now likes to ask nim questions at reddit... |
| 08:58:07 | salewski | https://www.reddit.com/r/nim/comments/6lyjto/help_with_neo_library_importing/ |
| 08:59:01 | salewski | I would guess that with "from neo import nil" the converters are not imported, and maybe |
| 08:59:36 | salewski | "let v1 = neo.constantVector(2, 3)" needs a converter. |
| 09:00:34 | salewski | Well just a guess, and of course I am not subscribed at reddit to answer. |
| 09:00:41 | salewski | Bye. |
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| 09:25:05 | FromGitter | <mratsim> @salewski I think it’s the `$` for vector that is not imported and replied as such |
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| 09:34:57 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> Hi everyone, my friend asked me - does try/except in nimlang have a big performance penalty like in Python? |
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| 10:30:26 | skrylar | I wonder if Nim would run on plan nine. It probably would considering it just creates C code, and they already have a C compiler. Although I think the only people using plan nine right now are supercomputers inside strange academic workshops. |
| 10:31:29 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> maybe this can help? http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/comp |
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| 10:35:44 | FromGitter | <mratsim> @skrylar apparently there is a Raspberry Pi image: https://www.reddit.com/r/plan9/comments/609bxi/rpi_version_issue/ |
| 10:35:57 | skrylar | that is just adorable |
| 10:36:10 | skrylar | i was reading about mainframes earlier and remembered plan9 existed and that it was apparently awesme |
| 10:36:25 | skrylar | although a lot of supercomputing is done on GPUS and i don't know if plan9 likes those |
| 10:36:41 | skrylar | if it did you would probably end up able to mount individual opencl cores or some silliness |
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| 11:36:56 | FromGitter | <mratsim> Does nim rst support images? |
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| 11:38:53 | Araq | yes |
| 11:45:59 | FromGitter | <mratsim> I’m prefacing the `Import`, `Types`… technical sections with a tutorial. I have a section like this but the image gets ignored ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5960c5f71c8697534a0280ed] |
| 11:49:35 | FromGitter | <Araq> maybe put the URL in "" |
| 11:49:43 | FromGitter | <Araq> should work, not sure |
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| 11:57:30 | FromGitter | <mratsim> Strange, it’s completely ignored, it doesn’t appear in the html file |
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| 12:04:34 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> https://gist.github.com/zacharycarter/3a3cff69a9c61689283d19534521a719 |
| 12:04:54 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> all that for a triangle :P |
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| 12:26:27 | FromGitter | <mratsim> @zacharycarter next step is being as concise as Red lang: http://www.red-lang.org/2016/03/060-red-gui-system.html :P I wish you luck |
| 12:28:26 | Araq | already solved for karax |
| 12:32:31 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> interesting |
| 12:32:40 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> right now I'm shooting for an API similar to raylib |
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| 12:35:30 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> this is the code for using the lib thus far |
| 12:35:48 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5960d1a44bcd78af568c504d] |
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| 14:07:35 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> dom96: what can be the reason of "No handles or timers registered in dispatcher. [ValueError]" when executing "runForever()" ? |
| 14:08:09 | dom96 | There are no file descriptor, sockets, etc waiting on data. |
| 14:08:18 | dom96 | So the dispatched has nothing to do. |
| 14:08:37 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> hmm, thanks, that is strange |
| 14:08:53 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> I did some small refactoring and this error came :) |
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| 14:14:34 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> I think I've made an error somewhere, and "asyncCheck" ends before runForever() |
| 14:18:46 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> yeah, I've fixed the error and now everythink works |
| 14:18:57 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> but sadly there was no error traceback at all |
| 14:19:28 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> ah maybe this wasn't an error |
| 14:20:04 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> sorry, it totally was my mistake: due to bug in my code some async procs just didn't execute |
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| 14:47:13 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> got transformation matrices wired in |
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| 15:56:25 | euantor | Is this a bug? https://glot.io/snippets/erjeacgl8y |
| 15:56:38 | euantor | String is initialised as length 22, add a string to the en and its length is 21 |
| 15:57:23 | euantor | If you print the string's length before adding the content, length is 22 |
| 15:57:51 | euantor | Seems like it's because there would be a null byte at the end (which I need for the protocol I'm interfacing with) which is confusing things |
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| 15:59:20 | Araq | euantor: splicing can shorten strings |
| 15:59:29 | euantor | Darn |
| 15:59:41 | euantor | So I guess the approach is to use a loop to assign chars one at a time |
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| 16:02:59 | euantor | yup, that seems to fix it |
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| 16:06:50 | Araq | well it's a feature, not a bug |
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| 16:07:20 | Araq | "replace the substring at x..y with this content" |
| 16:08:26 | yglukhov | Araq: what do you think? attr pragma vs object type pragma? |
| 16:09:05 | yglukhov | Araq: btw, i gave up trying suggestSym for modules. |
| 16:09:24 | Araq | hmm? |
| 16:09:50 | yglukhov | i don't see an easy way to reach module symbols from semexprs/semstsmt |
| 16:10:37 | yglukhov | maybe i'm wrong and don't understand it as good as you do |
| 16:10:54 | yglukhov | but anyways, just fyi =) |
| 16:12:05 | euantor | Araq: Yes, I wouldn't expect having a null character at the end of my string to shorten the string though |
| 16:12:47 | euantor | Or rather putting something at the end to shorten the string |
| 16:12:52 | Araq | euantor: newString(22) creates a string with nulls |
| 16:12:56 | euantor | yes |
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| 16:13:17 | euantor | And if I replace 13..21 surely it should still be 22 characters long? |
| 16:13:32 | Araq | len() doesn't count nulls, it accessed the length field |
| 16:13:36 | euantor | I just don't understand why that shortens the string |
| 16:13:48 | euantor | Yes, the string "postgres" has no nulls - it's eight characters long |
| 16:14:38 | euantor | https://glot.io/snippets/erjesg8v7o |
| 16:14:39 | Araq | 21-13+1 == 9 |
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| 16:14:54 | Araq | you replace 9 chars with 8, ergo length is reduced by one |
| 16:15:50 | euantor | Ok, it's been a long day and obviously not thinking clearly |
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| 16:58:22 | flashmozzg | hello, how would I do a static dispatch absed on the type? I want something like when type(T) == int: ..., but it seems I cna't compare types that way. I rember in D there was an is() operator. Is there something similar? |
| 16:59:49 | Araq | when T is int: ... |
| 16:59:56 | Araq | elif T is string: ... |
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| 17:14:30 | flashmozzg | Araq: thanks! That is what I was looking for! |
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| 18:55:39 | flashmozzg | Araq: what would be the correct way to match "inner" type? like when T is seq[S]: foo[S]()? |
| 18:56:04 | Araq | rethink your design |
| 18:56:34 | Araq | use overloading to lead the compiler do the type disambiguations or macros.getType |
| 18:56:48 | Araq | *to led |
| 18:56:52 | flashmozzg | I can't overload on return type |
| 18:56:58 | flashmozzg | can I? |
| 18:57:20 | Araq | what's that to do with anything? |
| 18:59:00 | flashmozzg | Also, are you saying that what I want is not possible? I have some funct that works on a small set of types and collections/sequences of those types. I want to be able to call this func with appropriate type specialization in the latter case. |
| 19:00:02 | flashmozzg | In D I'd do something like 'static if (is(T == V[], V)) { ... }' |
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| 19:01:30 | Araq | when T is seq: foo[type(x[0])]() |
| 19:02:20 | flashmozzg | Araq: thanks! |
| 19:02:34 | Araq | but I don't see the point, seems to me you're writing a 'foo' that doesn't work well |
| 19:03:14 | flashmozzg | Araq: wait. no. taht won't work. I don't ahve x |
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| 19:06:04 | Araq | we don't have overloading on return type and the solution is not to use 'proc foo[T](): auto # return type depends on T anyway' |
| 19:06:31 | Araq | the solution is to write idiomatic Nim code instead. |
| 19:06:57 | Araq | think about the children |
| 19:07:35 | flashmozzg | Araq not an excuse for is not to be able to get seq type parameter |
| 19:08:08 | Araq | I can get it. |
| 19:08:13 | Araq | maybe you can't. |
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| 19:08:44 | Araq | but it's still a bad idea. |
| 19:10:06 | flashmozzg | Well you haven't shared the method with me, despite me asking. |
| 19:23:37 | Araq | I did. |
| 19:24:23 | Araq | when X is seq: |
| 19:24:23 | Araq | var z: X |
| 19:24:23 | Araq | var x = newSeq[type(z[0])](5) |
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| 19:40:09 | flashmozzg | Only now. The snippet before was incomplete and I didn't know that this would wotk (since there are no z[0]). Anyway, inability to destructure parameters of complex types naturally (like when T is seq[S]: let x: S ...) seems like a drawback in Nim's metaprogramming power. Thanks for the solution, though! |
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| 20:29:30 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> can anyone help me reproduce this C macro in Nim? |
| 20:29:34 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> https://github.com/raysan5/raylib/blob/master/src/text.c#L116 |
| 20:29:38 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> this is what I came up with - |
| 20:29:54 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> ``` template bitCheck(a, b: untyped): bool = ⏎ return ((a) and (1 shl (b)))``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=596140c2bf7e6af22cbaf3b1] |
| 20:29:58 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> not sure if that's correct or not |
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| 21:04:59 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> I guess I want to use bitsets |
| 21:05:08 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> but I'm not sure how to construct a bitset |
| 21:05:53 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> I have a set of bits like - 0xEFDFBF79 |
| 21:06:01 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> and I want to check if that includes a certain bit |
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| 21:17:06 | Trustable | Hi all, a question about Nimble: When I install a package, will it abe dded to the search path automatically or is this manual? |
| 21:18:37 | flashmozzg | I think I've found a bug in Nim compiler: 'SIGSEGV: Illegal storage access. (Attempt to read from nil?)' |
| 21:19:17 | flashmozzg | looks liek a regression (I tested the same code on ideone, which says it uses 0.16 and it compiles correctly) |
| 21:20:00 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> care to share the code flashmozzg? |
| 21:21:59 | FromGitter | <ephja> Trustable: The nimble package directory is part of the path by default |
| 21:23:00 | FromGitter | <ephja> you don't need to do anything after installing |
| 21:23:22 | Trustable | I found this in my Nim config:@ if nimbabel: |
| 21:23:22 | Trustable | nimblepath="$home/.nimble/pkgs/" |
| 21:23:22 | Trustable | @if not windows: |
| 21:23:24 | Trustable | nimblepath="/opt/nimble/pkgs/" |
| 21:23:26 | Trustable | @else: |
| 21:23:28 | Trustable | # TODO: |
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| 21:23:30 | Trustable | @end |
| 21:23:30 | deavmi_ | Hi |
| 21:23:32 | Trustable | @end |
| 21:23:34 | Trustable | But it does not find my installed package |
| 21:23:47 | deavmi_ | https://git.librenet.co.za/DMS - got a Nim mirror up there. Still gotta mirror the other stuff. |
| 21:24:54 | FromGitter | <ephja> Trustable: Are you taking into account the directory structure of the source directory for your package? |
| 21:25:08 | flashmozzg | here is the code: http://ideone.com/Bid3mA |
| 21:25:29 | FromGitter | <ephja> Trustable: 'foo.bar' rather than just 'bar' for example |
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| 21:26:22 | Trustable | It does not find the main file nigui.nim which is in the "src" directory. Maybe I have to change something in the package. |
| 21:26:34 | flashmozzg | Also, if use seq instead of Bar it works too |
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| 21:34:12 | FromGitter | <stisa> Trustable you are probably missing `srcDir = "src"` in your nimble file |
| 21:34:51 | Trustable | stisa: ok, ty |
| 21:42:16 | Trustable | thx for help, my Nimble package NiGui works now |
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| 22:17:20 | dom96 | ahh cool, so the warning Nimble gave was correct :) |
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| 23:43:10 | Wombah | I have a question about import path resolution... According to the top answer of this (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30037165/where-does-nim-search-for-modules-to-import) stackoverflow question the resolution should search relative to the main module if it fails when searching relative to the importing module. That doesn't seem to work for me |
| 23:43:11 | Wombah | though... :/ |