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00:21:37FromDiscord<xflywind> I used vtune to profile the Nim compiler, then my PC crashed.
00:22:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> "Ah it says here the entire program is a problem"
00:24:55FromDiscord<xflywind> lol, tried again. different crash code šŸ¤£
00:27:01FromDiscord<xflywind> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995123875916558346/unknown.png
00:27:17FromDiscord<xflywind> It seems that the hardware mode is quite dangerous
00:28:19FromDiscord<Generic> ah yes vtune bsod with hw based sampling
00:42:01FromDiscord<ajusa> Has anyone used vmath's swizzle functionality? Wondering where it would be useful
00:42:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Swizzling is useful whenever you want specific components of a vector
00:43:03FromDiscord<enthus1ast> swizzle ist that right?ā†µ.rgbā†µmat
00:43:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Say you have a vector3 and want to pass it as a vector2 for whatever reason
00:43:18FromDiscord<enthus1ast> [Edit](https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003530/371759389889003532/995127913122906224): swizzle ist that right?ā†µcol.rgbā†µcol.rgba
00:43:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> it's the component level access on a vector
00:43:26FromDiscord<ajusa> In a certain order, right? I'm looking at https://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/SMDH (specifically the last part of the graphics section) and wondering if swizzling would help there
00:43:54FromDiscord<ajusa> Since it seems to encode it in tiles
00:44:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The point of swizzling is to access specific components in a specific order
00:44:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you need that then swizzling is useful
00:44:42FromDiscord<ajusa> Okay, sounds like I'm confusing tiling and swizzling. Thanks for clarifying!
00:48:50FromDiscord<sOkam!> Does someone know how to work with `mat` types from `glm`?
00:49:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Probably
00:49:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What's the actual question
00:51:53FromDiscord<sOkam!> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420q
00:52:33FromDiscord<sOkam!> I'm reading the source file of glm/mat.... but I don't understand why b is not a valid field of a matrix, when abcd are listed in the source code
00:54:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Where are they listed in the source code?
00:54:31FromDiscord<sOkam!> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420r
00:55:08FromDiscord<sOkam!> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420s
00:55:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Did you read what that template does?
00:55:37FromDiscord<sOkam!> I read it, doesn't mean I understand it
00:55:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It calls the constructors
00:55:58FromDiscord<sOkam!> And there is no documentation on the matrices, just on the vectors
00:56:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you want `a.arr[0].y` probably
00:56:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> or just `a[1]` rather
00:57:00FromDiscord<sOkam!> so there is no alias for each row?
00:57:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There is not
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00:59:04FromDiscord<sOkam!> and how do you access the components of each row?
00:59:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `rows`
00:59:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Sorry `row`
00:59:57FromDiscord<sOkam!> ?
01:00:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/stavenko/nim-glm/blob/master/glm/mat.nim#L316-L335
01:01:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you can do `mat[x, y]` to access a specific component and `mat[x]` to get specific group
01:01:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I dont know what `mat[x]` returns if it's what people call rows or columns
01:01:29FromDiscord<sOkam!> is mat the variable or the type?
01:01:37FromDiscord<sOkam!> or a proc
01:01:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You're kidding right
01:01:47FromDiscord<sOkam!> im not, ive been stuck in this for hours for a reason
01:01:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's an instance
01:01:56FromDiscord<sOkam!> please don't assume i understand this, because i dont
01:02:28FromDiscord<sOkam!> never dealt with templates in my life, so this file is mega cryptic for me
01:02:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The `[]` and `[]=` are defined https://github.com/stavenko/nim-glm/blob/master/glm/mat.nim#L44-L56
01:03:15FromDiscord<sOkam!> If i knew templates i could read the file no issue. But I don't understand it, so linking to the file I have open won't help much šŸ˜”
01:03:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Are we talking about generics or that one template?
01:04:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nothing here is complicated, so let's solve your lacking of understanding
01:04:16FromDiscord<sOkam!> about accesing field `a.x` of mat3x3f. Just a simple example of that, which there is no documentation about
01:04:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No we're going to make you understand this file
01:04:39FromDiscord<sOkam!> `thing.a.x` is what I thought I was supposed to access
01:04:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you cant read this code you're not going to be able to figure anything out with it
01:05:08FromDiscord<sOkam!> there is no a... so I try `thing[0].x`.... and still same issue
01:05:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420v
01:05:55FromDiscord<sOkam!> proc `[]=` that returns nothing, which takes some mat thing (no clue) an int and some vector (also no clue)
01:06:18FromDiscord<sOkam!> (edit)
01:06:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420w
01:06:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So the generic here ensures that the matrix and the vector are of the same type
01:06:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `M` is the number of matrix elements, `N` is the number of vector elements and `T` is the type of element
01:07:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So a 3 by 3 matrix with float32 is `Mat[3, 3, float32]`
01:09:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420x
01:09:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> With that in mind if you do `myMat[1].x` it will return the x component of the second row(Like i said i'm fucking awful at esoteric names)
01:10:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So in your case you want to do `result[1, 0] = a.y`
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01:10:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Or `result[1].y = a.y`
01:11:13FromDiscord<sOkam!> `this[0].x` is saying that there is no X
01:11:45FromDiscord<sOkam!> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995135131335528549/unknown.png
01:11:52FromDiscord<sOkam!> can't copypaste, sry about the size
01:12:59FromDiscord<sOkam!> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420y
01:13:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Is the compiler erroring or the lsp?
01:13:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cause it compiles
01:13:47FromDiscord<sOkam!> lsp
01:13:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> ...
01:14:18FromDiscord<sOkam!> nimls specifically
01:14:53FromDiscord<sOkam!> if I change it to array indexes only, it seems to not complain
01:15:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Restart your editor
01:15:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Both LSPs work fine here
01:17:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It doesnt complain eitherway for me
01:17:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `nim -v`?
01:31:53FromDiscord<sOkam!> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420A
01:46:33FromDiscord<xflywind> Is the nim compiler the blocker for compilation time?
01:46:38FromDiscord<xflywind> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995143914480738355/unknown.png
01:47:45FromDiscord<xflywind> For a full compilation, it occupies 10% of the compilation time.
01:48:34FromDiscord<Rika> I mean that depends on which C compiler you use of course
02:00:55FromDiscord<Generic> time for the Nim compiler to start outputting code directly
02:01:32FromDiscord<Generic> I already have a terrible SSA based intermediate representation with a code generator for it in my emulator
02:02:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The slow down is stil a majority Nim
02:02:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Turns out reference based compilers are not fast
02:05:30FromDiscord<xflywind> I think incRef in the compiler hotpot can be probably optimized since I can turn them into cursor/ptr.
02:06:13FromDiscord<xflywind> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995148842951520287/unknown.png
02:06:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also what's the program you're compiling?
02:06:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> And this is with a orc booted Nim compiler?
02:07:12FromDiscord<xflywind> orc booted compiler to compile the Nim compiler
02:07:20FromDiscord<xflywind> (edit) "orc booted compiler to compile the Nim compiler ... " added "using orc"
02:07:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah ok that's what i imagined
02:07:42FromDiscord<xflywind> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995149216081002606/unknown.png
02:09:59FromDiscord<sOkam!> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420H
02:10:08FromDiscord<enthus1ast> i might be to tired but these (257,292ms) are 0.2 seconds orā†µ(@xflywind)
02:10:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `var T`
02:10:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `thing: var MyType`
02:10:36FromDiscord<enthus1ast> [Edit](https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003530/371759389889003532/995149826301890570): i might be to tired but these (257,292ms) are 0.2 seconds or 257 seconds?
02:10:39FromDiscord<sOkam!> var links as a reference?
02:10:53FromDiscord<xflywind> In reply to @enthus1ast "[Edit](https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003": 0.2 seconds
02:11:00FromDiscord<Luckayla> It's a point. 257 point 292 ms
02:11:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `var T` is a mutable reference
02:11:18FromDiscord<sOkam!> ic
02:11:33FromDiscord<enthus1ast> points are thousends (in germany)ā†µ(@Luckayla)
02:12:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Decimal comma vs decimal point
02:12:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Always a lovely chat
02:12:17FromDiscord<enthus1ast> how long does the compilation takes overall @xflywind
02:12:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> thought germans were all about efficiency odd that they use decimal commas
02:12:42FromDiscord<enthus1ast> ask that excel
02:13:08FromDiscord<xflywind> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995150583021457509/unknown.png
02:13:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This reminds me https://erikmcclure.com/blog/windows-malloc-implementation-is-a-trash-fire/ is a fun writeup
02:13:48FromDiscord<xflywind> 38.3% of 17.741s
02:14:30FromDiscord<xflywind> Probably I should try -d:useMalloc
02:15:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also is this without a cache?
02:15:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I imagine not since 20s is fucking fast
02:15:39FromDiscord<xflywind> It is a partial compilation I changed something
02:15:49FromDiscord<xflywind> (edit) "It is a partial compilation I changed something ... " added "in compiler."
02:15:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ok so there we go
02:15:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The Nim compiler doesnt have to do much
02:16:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It'd take forever but if you passed `-f` you'd see drastically different data
02:16:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Actually representative of the slowdowns
02:16:33FromDiscord<xflywind> 40s for a full compilation and occupy 10%
02:16:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Jesus 40s, way to insult my poor CPU
02:16:51FromDiscord<xflywind> 7s for a recompilation
02:32:21FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @Elegantbeef "This reminds me https://erikmcclure.com/blog/window": Bunny
02:37:28FromDiscord<xflywind> In reply to @flywind "": Optimized
02:37:37FromDiscord<xflywind> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420J
02:38:28FromDiscord<xflywind> original version
02:38:36FromDiscord<xflywind> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420L
02:38:55FromDiscord<xflywind> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420J" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420N"
02:42:06FromDiscord<sOkam!> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420P
02:42:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Using integer manually
02:42:40FromDiscord<sOkam!> i mean
02:42:49FromDiscord<sOkam!> the point is to NOT use integers, why would I make this list otherwise
02:42:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> atleast to me `mat[A]` is way less descriptive than `mat[0].x`
02:43:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `mat[A, X]`
02:43:59FromDiscord<sOkam!> missing the point. I was asking for a way to declare multiple constants in a compact way
02:44:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There is no compact way
02:44:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420Q
02:44:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's the most compact you can do
02:46:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=420R
02:53:19FromDiscord<xflywind> It seems to allocate lots of memroy here.
02:53:22FromDiscord<xflywind> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995160704497766451/unknown.png
02:54:41FromDiscord<xflywind> (edit) "lots of memroy" => "too much time"
02:54:54FromDiscord<xflywind> (edit) "much time" => "many times"
02:57:47FromDiscord<xflywind> let me try the larger start size.
03:04:25FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @huantian "Bunny": bnuuy
03:40:26FromDiscord<Space Ghost> Does anyone know how to turn on a switch when compiling to show timings, i.e. how long it took to compile, maybe with some details, etc.?
03:41:01FromDiscord<enthus1ast> you could have a look at benchy
03:41:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Default Nim shows time
03:41:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4215
03:41:52FromDiscord<Space Ghost> I am in an embedded terminal I will try it from the command line, thank you.
03:42:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I dont know how an embedded terminal changes that but, yea it's there
03:44:02FromDiscord<Space Ghost> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I dont know how": You are both right, i am wrong, it is there and I simply missed it. Thank you.
03:45:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you want to benchmark runtime code both `timeit` and `benchy` exist
03:45:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Not apart of the stdlib but are in the nimble registry
03:48:11FromDiscord<Space Ghost> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Not apart of the": Thank you.
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03:57:17FromDiscord<ripluke> Does nim have a ā€œmascotā€
03:57:32FromDiscord<Rika> No
03:57:35FromDiscord<Rika> Technically no
03:57:40FromDiscord<ripluke> Oh
03:57:44FromDiscord<Rika> Thereā€™s the badger
03:57:53FromDiscord<Rika> :nimRawr:
03:58:00FromDiscord<ripluke> Oh
03:58:11FromDiscord<ripluke> Does it have a name
03:58:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I like to think it's not named like a pet but with a title that it earned. "The last thing you see" is the title I imagine its earned.
03:59:46FromDiscord<ripluke> Um that's kinda ominous lol
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04:00:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Have you seen the fucking badger?
04:00:22FromDiscord<ripluke> They're kinda tiny
04:00:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The thing looks like it kidnaps kids from the playground and eats it for lunch
04:00:34FromDiscord<ripluke> Compared to a lion or something
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04:00:45FromDiscord<huantian> lion + crown seems cool
04:00:46FromDiscord<ripluke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "The thing looks like": Well maybe they eat kids
04:00:49FromDiscord<huantian> but might be a bit pretentous
04:00:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1189414/94371104-5090e900-00ca-11eb-8e5b-d229504b1435.png
04:01:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Full image
04:01:19FromDiscord<ripluke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1189414/9": It bears a striking resemblance to your profile picture šŸ’€
04:01:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nah my dog would never do that
04:01:49FromDiscord<ripluke> That's a dog?
04:01:57FromDiscord<ripluke> I thought it was a rodent šŸ’€
04:01:59FromDiscord<huantian> ripluke blind confirmed
04:02:04FromDiscord<ripluke> I'm not a biologist
04:02:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Jeezus
04:02:28FromDiscord<ripluke> Well now that you mention it it does look a bit like a dog
04:02:32FromDiscord<huantian> how do you not knwo what a dog looks liek w
04:02:55FromDiscord<ripluke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Nah my dog would": Which part? The children eating or the crown wearing
04:03:30FromDiscord<ripluke> In reply to @huantian "how do you not": Yea lol I have a dog
04:05:07FromDiscord<zhmtzhmt> why ?
04:05:07FromDiscord<zhmtzhmt> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4219
04:05:34FromDiscord<zhmtzhmt> they are in different folders.
04:07:10FromDiscord<Yardanico> you need to use `as` to import the other
04:07:18FromDiscord<Yardanico> because otherwise you'll have ambiguous module symbols
04:07:33FromDiscord<Yardanico> Nim allows one to use symbols from a module as `modulename.proc()`, so in your case that'll lead to ambiguity
04:07:52FromDiscord<zhmtzhmt> I see
04:08:07FromDiscord<zhmtzhmt> Thank you very much.
05:23:20FromDiscord<ripluke> Is there a Bluetooth library for nim?
05:23:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> nimble.directory does exist
05:23:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/Electric-Blue/NimBluez
05:25:30FromDiscord<ripluke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "nimble.directory does exist": Ik I'm there now
05:26:02FromDiscord<ripluke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "https://github.com/Electric-Blue/NimBluez": Linux only?
05:26:13FromDiscord<ripluke> It seems to use bluez
05:26:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> > You can find wrappers for BlueZ in nimbluez/bluez folder. For Microsoft Bluetooth protocol stack wrappers look at nimbluez/msbt.
05:26:32FromDiscord<ripluke> Ok
05:26:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It has highlevel wrappings for those APIs
05:26:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you need anything else you can manually do it
05:27:01FromDiscord<ripluke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "It has highlevel wrappings": Pretty much all I'll need
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05:57:19FromDiscord<ripluke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "https://github.com/Electric-Blue/NimBluez": Lol the main feature I need doesn't work .-.
05:57:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That is?
05:57:44FromDiscord<ripluke> I'll have to do some jury rigging with Bluetoothctl
05:57:53FromDiscord<ripluke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "That is?": Device discovery
05:57:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> "jury rigging"
05:58:01FromDiscord<ripluke> Yea
05:58:06FromDiscord<ripluke> With execCmd
05:58:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Isnt it "jerry rigging"
05:58:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What doesnt work?
05:58:37FromDiscord<ripluke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Isnt it "jerry rigging"": Yea
05:58:53FromDiscord<ripluke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "What doesnt work?": It can't detect any device
05:59:21FromDiscord<ripluke> And I know there's many in range because blueberry can detect 3-4
06:00:20FromDiscord<ripluke> The maintainer doesn't seem active
06:00:25FromDiscord<ripluke> For a few years
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06:05:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I have to get my dongle setup but you'll be hearing from me
06:07:00FromDiscord<huantian> Hey beef howā€™s that template unexpanding error pr thingy going
06:07:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Not i didnt get a response
06:07:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Araq said no, i suggest multiple solutions he said "...."
06:08:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> He didnt actually say "..." but he didnt respond
06:09:15FromDiscord<huantian> Perhaps error messages just arenā€™t his top priority
06:10:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean there is an issue that it requires changing the AST
06:10:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Atleast afaict
06:11:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> My solution bloats the Nim runtime by adding another 8 bytes to every single AST node
06:11:46FromDiscord<huantian> Yeah true
06:12:23FromDiscord<huantian> What would the proper fix involve?
06:12:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I tested and with the Nim compiler it only adds another 200mb but it's still there
06:12:40FromDiscord<huantian> Dang thatā€™s like half a chrome tab
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06:16:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=421h
06:17:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It atleast works with my phone, doesnt seem to work with my steam controller which is BLE
06:24:16FromDiscord<ripluke> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=421i
06:25:10FromDiscord<ripluke> How can I split a string for every line?
06:26:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `splitLines`
06:28:34NimEventerNew post on r/nim by treeform: Discussing Nim 2.0 - Its already here [video]., see https://reddit.com/r/nim/comments/vuvg5t/discussing_nim_20_its_already_here_video/
06:29:36FromDiscord<ripluke> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=421k
06:29:42FromDiscord<ripluke> what am i doing wrong with this code
06:30:27FromDiscord<ripluke> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=421l
06:30:46FromDiscord<ripluke> no error when compiling tho
06:30:49FromDiscord<ripluke> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=421m" => "https://paste.rs/YIt"
06:31:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's a runtime error it says the issue is on line 9
06:32:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Where do you index on line 9
06:33:15FromDiscord<ripluke> im splitting the device string
06:33:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You then index it
06:34:18FromDiscord<ripluke> hmm i think the split isnt working
06:34:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> ...
06:35:06FromDiscord<ripluke> i wonder why tho
06:35:22FromDiscord<ripluke> there are many spaces in the command output
06:35:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If only there was a better way
06:35:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `std/strscans`
06:35:49FromDiscord<ripluke> oh
06:36:35FromDiscord<ripluke> its quite confusing
06:36:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's like regex but for sane people
06:36:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What's the string you have?
06:37:36FromDiscord<ripluke> Device 70:EA:41:69:FC:A7 Jabra Elite 75t
06:38:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `line.scanf("Device $s$.", myId)`
06:38:36FromDiscord<ripluke> ah so then it returns s right?
06:39:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That should be uhh `$+$s$.` and it returns a bool
06:39:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There are docs you know
06:39:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It writes the captured id to `myId`
06:40:01FromDiscord<ripluke> oh
06:41:51FromDiscord<Prestige> Elegantbeef I didn't see if you answered about the wayland compositor, I think we should work on one together
06:41:56FromDiscord<Prestige> If you're inclined
06:42:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I am but we need wlroots and libwayland wrapped
06:42:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> futhark screwed the pooch on that one
06:42:20FromDiscord<ripluke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "It writes the captured": it did an awesome job šŸ˜ƒ ā†µ@["", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", ""]
06:42:46FromDiscord<Prestige> hmm are those C libraries?
06:42:49FromDiscord<ripluke> time to rtfm
06:42:58FromDiscord<Prestige> Could try to manually wrap them I suppose
06:43:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes those are C libraries
06:43:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean j-james has wlroots wrapped
06:43:14FromDiscord<Prestige> oh
06:43:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> libwayland isnt yet we talked about it in offtopic earlier today
06:43:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also for your matrix woes checkout the cinny matrix client
06:44:05FromDiscord<Prestige> hm that looks a lot better
06:44:57FromDiscord<Prestige> Futhark fails to wrap libwayland, have you talked to pmunch about it?
06:45:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nah he's on vaca
06:46:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Seems you can just do `"Device $+ "`
06:46:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well it does wrap both libraries but they're written in some horrid code
06:46:50FromDiscord<Prestige> interesting
06:47:15FromDiscord<Avahe> This matrix client is pretty nice
06:48:16FromDiscord<ripluke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Seems you can just": ah yes thats good
07:14:38FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Would be nice if they introduce C language library for Matrix chat.
07:15:36FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> That would help accelerate the usability of Matrix chat by a lot by making it so just about every programming language could bind to it and then everyone could create their own Matrix Client or bot.
07:17:38FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Would be nice to have native chat, well I guess Thunderbird counts as one on version 102
07:38:02FromDiscord<d4rckh> im making some sort of http redirector/proxy (https://github.com/d4rckh/http-redirector). i have an issue where sometimes some requests to the website i want to proxy not get resolved
07:38:09FromDiscord<d4rckh> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995232374147272835/unknown.png
07:38:56FromDiscord<d4rckh> and the original request wont resolve too, because i am not getting the response from example.org https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995232572579782656/unknown.png
07:39:09FromDiscord<d4rckh> this will load forever
07:40:46FromDiscord<d4rckh> this only happens 1/3 of the time
07:44:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm not overly proficient but it's mostly just web requests and encryption
07:45:25FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> It's a bit more involved than that especially on the cryptography aspect.
07:45:47FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> As programming goes, cryptography is the most difficult to get right.
07:46:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I do want to eventually make my own matrix client but ugh the list of things is larger
07:46:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Avahe are you using the web or desktop client?
07:46:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Atleast i assume you're still on matrix
07:47:15FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Going to try opening up thunderbird 102 to see how it goes
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07:48:55FromDiscord<Prestige> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Avahe are you using": I was using the desktop client
07:49:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah it's not electron based if you didnt see
07:49:14FromDiscord<Prestige> I hate that the ui completely locks up if it is loading messages though
07:49:29FromDiscord<Prestige> element does it too
07:49:36FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Yeah, sometime element have a problem with the mouse flickering and UI freezing up
07:49:43FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> I had to kill it and restart it
07:50:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Maybe one day a client will be made that i dont mind contributing to šŸ˜€
07:52:24FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> If I finish STL-C, I could look into C++ implementation of Matrix chat and see if I can transpose it
07:52:45FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> (STL-C is basically C++ STL ported to C with support for both Thread-safe data container and non-thread safe IE concurrentqueue and whatnot.)
07:53:55FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Just tried Thunderbird Beta for Matrix Chat, it works, but pretty... slow... just UI freezing up a lot when you switch chat.
07:54:13FromDiscord<Prestige> Elegantbeef even if we did it in Nim, I don't know what UI framework I would like to use
07:54:17FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> And the conversation list is unorganized
07:54:21FromDiscord<Prestige> I hear bad things about all of them, lol
07:54:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Gtk is what i'm partial t o
07:55:09FromDiscord<d4rckh> In reply to @d4rckh "this only happens 1/3": looks like it gets stuck at `await response.body`
07:55:09FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> @Prestige\: Lol, funny thing I was working on creating new GUI Toolkit to replace GTK and QT, basically C library that uses Vulkan acceleration by default
07:55:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Or wxwidgets
07:55:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The down side is that it's not "fancy"
07:55:42FromDiscord<Prestige> I know/knew a guy that was working on his own UI framework but I haven't spoken to him in a while. Called neogfx
07:55:51FromDiscord<Prestige> https://neogfx.org/
07:55:55FromDiscord<Prestige> but it's c++ so I'll disregard it
07:57:11FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Ah, basically I originally try to work on replacing Wayland entirely, but realized that it's a massive PITA if I have to fight with QT and GTK to add support for new replacement for Wayland
07:57:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> GUI is just shit in general
07:57:42FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> So it basically become the chicken and the egg problem
07:57:55FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> You need GUI Toolkit first to have something to work with on your new replacement for X11 and Wayland
07:58:32FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Funny thing is... Wayland whined about how they can't get Nvidia GPU to work
07:58:33FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> I was able to
07:58:53FromDiscord<Prestige> šŸ¤”
07:59:43FromDiscord<Prestige> So my smart light switch is able to be controlled by wifi, but it's not open source it seems. I found a python library that can control it, but is super buggy and half the commands don't work
08:00:19FromDiscord<Prestige> Been trying to copy the very basic command to send a request for the status of the switch but I think I'm misinterpreting what the python code is doing. I hate python
08:01:12FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> [Elegantbeef](https://matrix.to/#/@elegantbeef:matrix.org)\: Because they keep repeating the same mistake of trying to force GUI to fit within a tiny box that doesn't offer any flexibility or creativity and because they often don't write the GUI Toolkit library in C in the first place basically limiting the library to be ONLY be usable in the language it's written in like QT.
08:01:28FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> (I can almost guaranteed that you'll never see C binding for QT that is complete.)
08:02:12FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> [Edit](https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003530/371759389889003532/995238178086727704): [Elegantbeef](https://matrix.to/#/@elegantbeef:matrix.org)\: Because they keep repeating the same mistake of trying to force GUI to fit within a tiny box that doesn't offer any flexibility or creativity and because they often don't write the GUI Toolkit library in C in the first place basically limiting the library to ONLY be usable in t
08:03:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well yea
08:03:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> QT is really unusable outside of C++, which is why it's not overly attractive
08:03:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> i mean QML and it's designer does exist
08:03:50FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Yeah, but extensibility is gone
08:04:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> GTK is just more attractive as it can be used 1\:1 as it's source language if you really need to
08:04:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's not really writing it in C in the first place it's that it's as usable as the source
08:04:50FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> The biggest problem with GTK is how they break ABI regularly, I maintain a database of all libraries symbols, GTK top that list.
08:05:33FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> (Basically `objdump -T` all of the libraries and parse it into PostgreSQL for any changed symbols and have that script hooked into pacman install hook)
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08:08:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But but it runs the web \:Pā†µ(@Prestige)
08:09:09FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> It honestly not a surprise that we're seeing new apps for Linux just in a web browser, because they just go, "Ah F\\\ it"
08:09:32FromDiscord<Prestige> Python runs the web? eh
08:09:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well it's down to that web apps are relatively painless cross platform and allow nice looking gui
08:09:40FromDiscord<Prestige> I still think it's a crap language
08:09:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It can but i'm just joking
08:10:04FromDiscord<Phil> Even if gtk was the most convenient toolkit on the planet, pwa and electron would still win
08:10:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nice looking gtk on windows is a feat afaik
08:10:20FromDiscord<Phil> Basically no effort is hard to beat
08:10:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea but luckily we're talking about making our client
08:10:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So we can say "fuck you mr. web man"
08:11:23FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Only that you have to stick with javascript which sucks for electron, you might squeak by with webasm, but I don't think it support DOM manipulation yet... after decade...
08:11:38FromDiscord<Phil> Fair. I was playing around with the idea of a Linux native matrix client. But the feature set would be so much effort
08:11:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I think gtk is nice if you have a decalrative GUI, though i havent played with glad + gintro
08:11:55FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @tylerlinuxdev "Only that you have": Angular makes it pretty ready
08:11:59FromDiscord<Phil> Easy
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08:12:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean there are a group of us here that are interested in a matrix client
08:12:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Enthus, Prestige, Me, You, ....
08:12:20FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Isn't Angular a dead framework?
08:12:34FromDiscord<Phil> Not really
08:12:43FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995241077353234442/image.png
08:12:45FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> https://killedbygoogle.com/
08:13:03FromDiscord<Phil> Angularjs is the first iteration
08:13:08FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Ah
08:13:28FromDiscord<Prestige> I'd rather work on a wayland compositor tbh Elegantbeef
08:13:32FromDiscord<Phil> That is dead, yes, that's also the reason why angularjs and angular are 2 very different things
08:14:01FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Haven't kept up with web dev in a while, I quit programming professionally and switch career to IT admin with RHCA certification basically
08:14:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean same prestige
08:14:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But there is some desire so hey it's not hard to imagine more would contribute
08:14:06FromDiscord<Phil> The API changes between versions were so drastic that they basically said to start from scratch
08:15:05FromDiscord<Phil> It's why react has such a much larger market share. The companies that bought into angularjs at the start haven't been that forgiving
08:16:02FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Yeah, just oof... thanks god I am out of Webdev
08:16:17FromDiscord<Phil> It's been solid since though and that was like 7 years ago or sth. Very stable and complete every since and a very different approach to react
08:17:34FromDiscord<Phil> It's fairly good through enforced usage of rxjs and typescript.ā†µThe routing it uses, like all other front-end routing I've seen so far, is batshit insane though
08:18:32FromDiscord<Phil> Django did it right and sane. No idea what the guys that settled on the routing paradigms where smoking
08:18:52FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> I looked over Reactjs, apparently it still require hundred of dependencies.
08:19:49FromDiscord<Phil> Never worked with react, glanced over some routing examples and saw the same stuff that made me cringe in angular
08:20:15FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Yeah, honestly just happy not to deal with web anymore... wow
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08:21:24FromDiscord<Prestige> I've used react a lot for work, it's.. not great
08:21:33FromDiscord<Prestige> but maybe the "best" js front end framework we have
08:22:07FromDiscord<Prestige> Typescript makes js almost bearable
08:22:13FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Back then, i just do Bootstrap + JQuery, because I don't want to bother dealing with 1000+ javascript modules
08:22:17FromDiscord<Phil> I think it's fine. I would need to write a gui with gtk etc. To compare but what I've seen seems somewhat more difficult to work with.ā†µThough chances are that's me being used to typescript and rxjs
08:22:54FromDiscord<Phil> I wayyyy preferred angular for choice precisely because it is opinionated
08:23:32FromDiscord<Prestige> Isn't treeform working on Fidget 2?
08:23:40FromDiscord<Phil> Enforced typescript and rxjs, routing out of the box, enforced project structure, pre supplied ways of defining service workers etc
08:23:42FromDiscord<Prestige> or was that some weird fever dream I had
08:25:59FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> It's a bit interesting that Electron takes about 68 MB at min whereas my GUI Toolkit for the same thing uses about 4 MB at most
08:26:17FromDiscord<Prestige> interesting is a good word for it
08:30:30FromDiscord<xflywind> There is tauri aiming to replace electron which planned Nim backend.
08:30:32FromDiscord<xflywind> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995245560103698432/unknown.png
08:31:00FromDiscord<Prestige> Sounds interesting
08:35:13FromDiscord<untoreh> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=421C
08:36:06FromDiscord<xflywind> unique id for each symbol
08:36:26FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Yeah, that mangled name for symbol in C++
08:38:57FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> And it sometime used to uniquely version the library API
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08:51:00FromDiscord<d4rckh> how do i convert an Uri object to an actual string i can plug in an url?
08:51:20FromDiscord<d4rckh> `fmt"https://example.org{magicFunction(myUri)}"`
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09:09:24FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> `combine(parseUri("https://example.org"), magicFunction(myUri))` is how you usually do it and you can treat uri object as a string
09:09:44FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995255422674018375/image.png
09:09:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> He isā†µ(@Prestige)
09:10:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Turns out making GUI is a very very slow process
09:10:27FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Yup
09:10:35FromDiscord<Prestige> Very tedious
09:10:36FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> If you can cheat or save time, use all of them
09:11:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But i mean fidget/nimx are also both options
09:11:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If we're still talking about a hypothetical nim matrix client
09:12:03FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Yeah
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09:13:01FromDiscord<Prestige> Yep
09:13:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Fidget can hit a nice medium of good looking gui and sane render pipeline
09:13:06FromDiscord<Prestige> I'd much rather do it all in Nim
09:13:45madpropsi saw there's an orm now
09:13:59madpropshttps://github.com/moigagoo/norm
09:13:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Say what you will about web tech but clients written in GTK/QT dont look great
09:15:19madpropsi made this in python using a tk library https://i.imgur.com/6G3HGYb.jpg
09:15:48madpropslibrary is very limited though
09:15:55madpropscan't add/remove widgets dynamically
09:16:03madpropsyou're supposed to redraw the whole thing again
09:16:08madpropsit's a known issue
09:17:50FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> sent a long message, see https://paste.rs/Vi6
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09:18:12FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> What I try to differentiate on is doing it in vulkan
09:18:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea and i mean fidget does tick some of those boxes
09:18:32FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Yeah
09:20:02FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Like "XDrawLine"
09:20:49FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> (GTK uses Cairo for rendering, similar, but better optimized than X11)
09:25:43FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> The problem with CPU based rendering is basically that CPU sucks at that kind of job by raising CPU utilization and thus more electricity/heat being generated. It limit the ability of GUI Toolkit to enable animation, that largely why Web Browsers like Chrome use Skia that utilize GPU.
09:27:10FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/421T
09:28:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean Pixie was written in Nim but you can use it from python/C/... \:D
09:28:54FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Interesting
09:29:06FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Rely on OpenGL however
09:29:19FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> The problem falls into OpenGL territory where each driver can have different results in how it looks
09:29:34FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> That why I opted for Vulkan, so the looks is consistent across all platforms
09:29:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Pixie is a skia like library
09:30:04FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Pixie utilize Boxy which uses OpenGL
09:30:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Pixie is a cpu drawing library
09:30:11FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995260566333571112/image.png
09:30:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> "on top of"
09:30:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Reading before speaking is a virtue
09:30:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Pixie is a standalone drawing library
09:30:35FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> I'm tired and it's literally 3\:32 AM here
09:30:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No it's that time here
09:30:51FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> ?
09:30:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> We're in the same timezone
09:30:59FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Ah
09:31:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Fidget does use opengl though
09:31:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But we were not talking about that there
09:35:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Suffice to say there arent amazing GUI solutions in Native Nim or as libraries
09:35:34FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Yeah, Fidget seems pretty bareback and looks to be a starting point
09:35:43FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> I'm looking over code
09:36:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well have fun i'm going to sleep
09:36:22FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Good night
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10:45:42FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @madprops "https://github.com/moigagoo/norm": It's alright. I use it in my project, though I have an abstraction layer on top of it since I don't fully agree with a design choice in there
10:45:54FromDiscord<Phil> I guess I should also disclaim that I contribute to it
10:46:09FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "In reply to @madprops "https://github.com/moigagoo/norm": It's alright. I use it in my project, though I have an abstraction layer on top of it since I don't fully agree with a design choice in there ... " added "about how the API looks"
10:46:43FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Say what you will": I wonder in terms of effort which is easier to work with
10:47:30FromDiscord<Phil> Not even meant sarcastically, I hear that web is comparatively trivial, but I've got no experience to back that up
10:52:13FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> Probably QT if you're going for native rather than web, you could largely get away with it by using QT Designer program and design your GUI and then add some C-language declaration for getter/setter functions for various items in your GUI and then you route the events over a list of function pointers that C language side have to initialize GUI with by providing it's own list of functions that would process the events.
10:52:46FromDiscord<tylerlinuxdev> But yeah, as far as difficulty goes, web is still easier than doing it in GTK and QT which is why it remains popular on Linux
10:55:11FromDiscord<Phil> Given that the JS engine isn't even all that slow compared to native, I'm not surprised then
10:56:45madpropsi don't fully agree
10:56:59FromDiscord<dom96> I can only speak to GTK when I say: stay away. Honestly Electron/CEF is fast enough for 99% of people and if I were to ever create a GUI app I would use either of those.
10:57:01madpropsunless you have a js library with pre-made widgets ready to use
10:57:36madpropselectron is pretty bad though
10:57:37FromDiscord<dom96> Also the fact that React Native is a thing and is so popular speaks volumes for the web's versatility.
10:57:39FromDiscord<Phil> CEF?
10:57:42FromDiscord<Prestige> Really sad to hear because of how slow and resource heavy electron is
10:57:56FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @Isofruit "CEF?": https://github.com/chromiumembedded/cef
10:58:36FromDiscord<Prestige> I thought react native actually uses native rendering
10:58:56FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @Avahe "Really sad to hear": it's not too bad https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995282901455347753/unknown.png
10:59:12FromDiscord<Rika> That looks pretty bad given what discord does
10:59:28FromDiscord<Prestige> Agreed
10:59:59FromDiscord<dom96> and yet it's only 1.5% of my total RAM
11:00:01FromDiscord<Prestige> Slow programs and websites have become normalized, it's sad
11:00:19FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @Avahe "I thought react native": depends what you mean by "native rendering"
11:00:40FromDiscord<Prestige> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=422e
11:00:48FromDiscord<dom96> there is still a JS engine in there
11:02:03FromDiscord<dom96> but yeah, I suppose at least it's not relying on webkit
11:02:42FromDiscord<Prestige> I think the rendering side of things is usually the problem when people complain about js
11:03:47FromDiscord<Prestige> My current company's code base has a ton of redundant/unnecessary things the code does, shit is slow. Makes using our web app a pain
11:04:12FromDiscord<Prestige> But that seems to have become the norm since we have so much RAM
11:04:36FromDiscord<Prestige> Nobody profiles js
11:05:47FromDiscord<dom96> That's not true
11:06:17FromDiscord<dom96> The majority likely doesn't care about performance so they don't profile
11:06:29FromDiscord<dom96> but JS has some of the best tools for profiling it too
11:06:58FromDiscord<enthus1ast> i profile by using old af hardware
11:07:19FromDiscord<Prestige> Yeah it has great tooling, my point is just that people don't usually bother profiling web apps
11:07:21FromDiscord<Phil> I can see the point of insisting on native. Even in the best cases, JS engines are still factor 2-3 slower than C (though significantly faster than python ironically)
11:07:33FromDiscord<Phil> And that translates into battery life, which users do care about
11:07:59FromDiscord<Phil> Particularly since most computation devices in use by end users are battery powered nowadays
11:08:23FromDiscord<Phil> But the fact that the tooling for using native is anywhere near as attractive in terms of productivity is... painful
11:09:07FromDiscord<dom96> I'd like to see some data on energy usage of a native app vs. Electron.
11:09:09FromDiscord<Prestige> Through profiling I found out our nodejs server spends more than half it's runtime calling a lodash function that translates snake case to camel case. Quite funny
11:09:26FromDiscord<dom96> Without data it's all speculation whether it's worth putting up with the pain of native
11:10:09FromDiscord<Prestige> You'd really have create two apps with the same design/features but yeah
11:10:30FromDiscord<Prestige> It the very least I think it's safe wo to assume ram usage would be lower
11:10:36FromDiscord<Prestige> (edit) removed "wo"
11:11:16FromDiscord<Prestige> Typing on touch screens is such a PITA
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11:39:11FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Elegantbeef "This reminds me https://erikmcclure.com/blog/window": I was wondering why I recognised that name
11:39:53FromDiscord<Rika> He made that discord bot with the interesting anti spam (in the sense of actual ā€œspammingā€ and not unwanted messages)
12:03:14FromDiscord<Phil> > LLVM was built for Linux - or rather, it was built to work for Mac OSX, which is POSIX compliant and looks like a Linux system if you squintā†µBeef did promise it was fun
12:03:41FromDiscord<Phil> Thanks for replying to that message Rika! I would have missed that article otherwise
12:07:34FromDiscord<Phil> > So this entire time I've been trying to replace Microsoft's malloc() with Microsoft's other malloc() because Microsoft's malloc() was too slow for Microsoft. ā†µHooo boy
12:07:53FromDiscord<Phil> I can't claim I understand 100%, but it most certainly is entertaining
12:26:23FromDiscord<retkid> so Channels are blocking and never returning
12:26:54FromDiscord<retkid> well, receiving
12:26:58FromDiscord<retkid> i forgot how to fix this
13:20:48FromDiscord<retkid> In reply to @Elegantbeef "This reminds me https://erikmcclure.com/blog/window": in recent news: ā†µwindows is badā†µup next:ā†µMost cats don't like baths
13:22:56FromDiscord<enthus1ast> Windows might be bad, but it's the best when you just want to get things working
13:23:41FromDiscord<retkid> when you're not programming for it
13:23:52FromDiscord<retkid> the "its just works" is built upon the backs of dead programmers
13:23:53FromDiscord<enthus1ast> How many hours did I fight linux when I want to get older (scientific) software working... its ridiculous
13:24:12FromDiscord<retkid> ha
13:24:16FromDiscord<retkid> yea
13:24:29FromDiscord<retkid> best solution is get a ubuntu from just before the last release
13:24:56FromDiscord<retkid> then strace it and find all the api calls
13:25:25FromDiscord<enthus1ast> Linux has a massive compatibility issue with their software
13:25:28FromDiscord<retkid> steal the libraries and package them together
13:25:53FromDiscord<retkid> the linux ethos currently assumes you either package your libs with the software or you are updating it
13:26:06FromDiscord<retkid> or people are keeping old functions
13:26:09FromDiscord<enthus1ast> Have a app that needs older tcl/tk? You basically fucked
13:26:40FromDiscord<retkid> good thing about nim is its pretty portable
13:26:52FromDiscord<retkid> static packaging of depends
13:27:18FromDiscord<enthus1ast> So Like windows does it? šŸ˜
13:28:00FromDiscord<retkid> no
13:28:04FromDiscord<retkid> windows has dynamic libs
13:28:06FromDiscord<retkid> floating around
13:28:15FromDiscord<retkid> they also have issues
13:28:30FromDiscord<retkid> its just, it has a central authority to make sure things work
13:28:41FromDiscord<retkid> linux supposes "eh they're smart enough to figure it out"
13:37:35FromDiscord<TryAngle> what are good alternatives from Rust's Mutex and Arc for Nim?
13:37:54FromDiscord<TryAngle> just losing locks and DIY?
13:40:44FromDiscord<Josef> Is it possible to define offsets of fields of Nim type?
13:41:05FromDiscord<Josef> (edit) "Is it possible to define ... offsets" added "byte"
13:41:12FromDiscord<enthus1ast> Don't get me wrong I do not praise windows, but it's on top of my personal, "get things done, and do other stuff, like drinking" listā†µ(@retkid)
13:41:43FromDiscord<retkid> do both drinking and programming
13:41:53FromDiscord<retkid> its the only time im happy when i code
13:43:02FromDiscord<enthus1ast> 2. On this list is macos ( I hate it )ā†µ3. A typewriterā†µ4...n\: bsd
13:44:18FromDiscord<enthus1ast> 3. Should be linux mhhh
13:45:04FromDiscord<retkid> >a typewriter\
13:45:04FromDiscord<retkid> (edit) "typewriter\" => "typewriter"
13:45:30FromDiscord<retkid> start writing your code on a typewriter and scan it in
13:53:40FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/423a
13:55:09FromDiscord<enthus1ast> I should create an "enthus1ast daily rants" channel and not pollute the nim one
14:08:24FromDiscord<retkid> no i was just trying to remember what to n meant
14:08:29FromDiscord<retkid> i think its infinitum
14:10:11FromDiscord<retkid> do i need to stringify to write to a file with msgpack
14:10:47FromDiscord<retkid> i think its just pack as a var
14:11:00FromDiscord<retkid> yea
14:14:00FromDiscord<David> Hey is C2nim still the way to go for wrapping C code or is there a way to directly import C headers nowadays?
14:17:27FromDiscord<hotdog> In reply to @David "Hey is C2nim still": Check out futhark
14:17:48FromDiscord<hotdog> https://github.com/PMunch/futhark
14:19:06FromDiscord<David> Well this looks useful, thanks!
14:19:42FromDiscord<hotdog> No prob šŸ™‚
14:21:36FromDiscord<David> One more question, is there a commonly used library for making CLIs?
14:22:07FromDiscord<planetis> In reply to @TryAngle "what are good alternatives": std/locks and planetis-m/sync has some more
14:23:16FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @David "One more question, is": cligen, argparse, docopt, etc
14:23:37FromDiscord<enthus1ast> Eg cligen , or tui like\: illwill
14:24:01FromDiscord<David> Thanks everyone!
14:24:07FromDiscord<planetis> In reply to @David "One more question, is": There are many but checkout illwill and nimwave
14:25:58FromDiscord<David> Hmm does discord support Threads like Matrix or Slack? Iā€™m curious if the bots between the two support that functionality.
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14:31:51FromDiscord<aru-hackZ> discord has threads yes
14:31:54FromDiscord<retkid> if I just... copy a variables memory and save it
14:32:04FromDiscord<retkid> can i cast it to that variable
14:33:23FromDiscord<retkid> or would i have to build a parser
14:35:40FromDiscord<hotdog> In reply to @retkid "can i cast it": If you mean cast to the type of the variable then yes
14:35:48FromDiscord<David> So if I start a thread in Matrix does it make a thread on your side?ā†µ(@aru-hackZ)
14:36:34FromDiscord<retkid> In reply to @hotdog "If you mean cast": So i can be like "00FF00" (probably in character form) then just be like "Oh yea, thats an array" @hotdog
14:36:57FromDiscord<retkid> and if it checks out, it'll just do it
14:38:06FromDiscord<aru-hackZ> In reply to @David "So if I start": if the bridge supports it
14:38:18FromDiscord<hotdog> Pretty much as long as the format is correct else youā€™ll get errors when reading it back
14:38:26FromDiscord<hotdog> @retkid
14:38:32FromDiscord<hotdog> What are you trying to do?
14:38:39FromDiscord<retkid> then what is the function for this
14:38:40FromDiscord<aru-hackZ> also you need to have permissions to create a thread, which seems I don't have
14:39:03FromDiscord<retkid> In reply to @hotdog "What are you trying": trying to pack things quickly without care for file sizes
14:39:15FromDiscord<retkid> i just need more data throughput no matter the volume
14:39:38FromDiscord<retkid> while msgpack is pretty fast its just, still an extra 14 secs on a thread
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14:40:03FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @David "So if I start": the bridge doesnt support it
14:40:04FromDiscord<Rika> i believe
14:41:31FromDiscord<David> Hmm it most not, since I created a thread on my side and i can only guess it showed up as a normal message for you
14:44:23FromDiscord<aru-hackZ> not even that
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15:01:00FromDiscord<TryAngle> In reply to @planetis "std/locks and planetis-m/sync has": RwLock looks good, can be used as a drop in replacement for mutexes right? I have no idea tbh
15:01:25FromDiscord<TryAngle> ah nvm mutex blocks on read too šŸ¤”
15:01:30FromDiscord<retkid> i probably cant do what i was imagineing
15:01:34FromDiscord<retkid> asd
15:01:38FromDiscord<retkid> (edit) "asd" => "sad"
15:02:12FromDiscord<planetis> In reply to @TryAngle "ah nvm mutex blocks": Mutex is just a lock
15:02:26FromDiscord<planetis> So use std/locks for that
15:02:34FromDiscord<retkid> maybe i can asm this
15:02:36FromDiscord<retkid> famous last words
15:02:48FromDiscord<TryAngle> In reply to @planetis "Mutex is just a": ah true šŸ¤” ā†µbut with lock u can implement Mutex and RwLock no?
15:03:17FromDiscord<planetis> Yeah
15:05:23FromDiscord<TryAngle> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/omk
15:07:04FromDiscord<TryAngle> idk tbh, I'm newbie to threading :c
15:07:17FromDiscord<Rika> arc isnt atomic
15:07:32FromDiscord<TryAngle> it's probably not needed in nim šŸ¤”
15:07:39FromDiscord<planetis> No that wouldn't work you need to share the counter
15:07:50FromDiscord<Rika> isnt that what nim does
15:08:43FromDiscord<planetis> there is threading/smartptrs
15:08:52FromDiscord<TryAngle> ah true count also has to be ref
15:08:55FromDiscord<planetis> Arc = SharedPte
15:09:01FromDiscord<planetis> (edit) "SharedPte" => "SharedPtr"
15:09:09FromDiscord<treeform> In reply to @ajusa "Has anyone used vmath's": I mainly added swizzling because GLSL has it. But now I use it all the time. 3d to 2d conversation, vec4 color conversations, normal to tangent, there are many uses.
15:16:09FromDiscord<Bloss> Is the current development version 1.8 or 2.0?
15:20:07FromDiscord<xflywind> The next big release is 2.0, 1.8 is probably skipped.
15:20:30FromDiscord<xflywind> (edit) "probably" => "most likely"
15:26:54FromDiscord<Bloss> Cool, there are some small fixes in the development branch that I might need, was just wondering if I should wait to use it, I'll just use it now
15:27:45FromDiscord<Prestige> Do we know if IC is planned for 2.0 still?
15:36:04FromDiscord<Bloss> I would assume so
15:37:47FromDiscord<Bloss> Normal big versions take upwards of 9 months to release, I would expect 2.0 to take even longer
15:39:01FromDiscord<ajusa> In reply to @treeform "I mainly added swizzling": Thanks for clarifying!
15:39:17FromDiscord<Bloss> 1.0 to 1.2 and 1.2 to 1.4 both took around 6 months, 1.4 to 1.6 took a full year
15:40:38FromDiscord<untoreh> is there a way to rewrite an iterator to use async functions inside it?
15:41:30FromDiscord<Rika> i dont understand what you intend
15:42:28FromDiscord<Luckayla> How big are the changes coming in 2.0?
15:42:39FromDiscord<Luckayla> Seems I entered the language at a weird time
15:43:06FromDiscord<untoreh> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/Mrp
15:45:21FromDiscord<Prestige> People have been discussing what they want to see come with 2.0 but I don't know what is actually planned
15:46:22FromDiscord<Rika> i dont think you can await in an iterator at all so
15:46:40FromDiscord<Rika> nim doesnt have async for
15:49:25FromDiscord<Prestige> Maybe you could rewrite it to use a template
15:50:46FromDiscord<xflywind> In reply to @Avahe "Do we know if": It is for 2.x or later
15:51:42FromDiscord<Prestige> Have been really looking forward to IC for better editor support
15:52:45FromDiscord<xflywind> In reply to @Luckayla "How big are the": defaults to threads, orc and improvements planned by https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/437
15:56:18FromDiscord<laker31> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/423K
15:59:11FromDiscord<Prestige> I think you can set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to that directory
15:59:17FromDiscord<aru-hackZ> add this flags: `--dynlibOverride:SDL2 --passL:"/opt/homebrew/cellar/sdl2/2.0.22/lib"`
15:59:33FromDiscord<aru-hackZ> (edit) "--passL:"/opt/homebrew/cellar/sdl2/2.0.22/lib"`" => "--passL:"/opt/homebrew/cellar/sdl2/2.0.22/lib/libSDL2.dylib"`"
15:59:48FromDiscord<aru-hackZ> (edit) "this" => "these"
16:01:03FromDiscord<aru-hackZ> I also had a problem like that since I'm using NixOS and need to pass some library paths that way, works fine for me
16:02:33FromDiscord<aru-hackZ> https://nim-lang.org/docs/nimc.html#dynliboverride https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995359309250703442/unknown.png
16:12:14FromDiscord<laker31> Thanks! For some reason adding it to `LD_LIBRARY_PATH` does not work (and that env variable does not have any value to start with - is that normal?), but adding the `--dynlibOverride` flag did it!
16:32:19FromDiscord<aru-hackZ> yh I tried adding it to `LD_LIBRARY_PATH` and didn't work
16:36:27FromDiscord<Goel> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=423Y
17:52:14FromDiscord<Phil> I believe this might be because I haven't done much low level coding. So as I understand it you want to manipulate the array in a proc and have that change also apply to the array outside the proc? ā†µā†µI assume the actual array is very large which is why you don't want the array to be copied ?
17:53:06FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "coding." => "coding, but I'm having troubles wrapping my head around this."
17:53:32FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "I believe this might be because I haven't done much low level coding, but I'm having troubles wrapping my head around this. So as I understand it you want to manipulate the array in a proc and have that change also apply to the array outside the proc? ā†µā†µI assume the actual array is very large which is why you don't want the array to be copied ... ?" added "/ a manipulated version of the array to be returned by the proc"
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18:23:35FromDiscord<Goel> Yes thats the reason i dont want/need to copy it. Anyway i can't came up with another alternative idea so i'll just use that way of using addr and then dereference
18:23:53FromDiscord<Goel> (edit) "thats" => "that's" | "reason i dont" => "reason. I don't"
18:24:31FromDiscord<huantian> You should use ref objects ondtrsd of address but you still need to deref
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18:35:34FromDiscord<Phil> Can you actually do ref type arrays?
18:36:28FromDiscord<huantian> You should be able to
18:41:03FromDiscord<Goel> What do you mean "ref type arrays"? And how can i do it?
18:42:33FromDiscord<Phil> Ah, so are you aware of differences between ref types and value types?
18:44:03FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> I'm trying to figure out how to take in 2GB of [pointer, length] from C into Nim without copying data around
18:44:05FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/8256
18:44:27FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> What is the status on this? Is the openArray approach realistic? does it give me access to the full language and standard library?
18:44:58FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> I basically need a std::span or std::string_view
18:49:16FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @huantian "You should be able": So I figured out that "ref array" is a valid type. How to initialize that though is beyond me
18:58:25FromDiscord<huantian> `let something = new array[int, 4]` should work
18:58:52FromDiscord<huantian> (edit) "array[int, 4]`" => "array[4, int]`"
19:04:42FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=424s
19:05:04FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @huantian "`let something = new": Yep, that did it. Swapped to a separate type though
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19:29:07FromDiscord<!Patitotective> sooo guys im trying to add asynchronous support for GET requests in downit (asynchronous downloads manager) but for some reason the response's body is incompleteā†µhttps://github.com/Patitotective/downit/blob/devel/downit.nim#L180ā†µsince `AsyncResponse.body` is of type `Future[string]` i have to check if that future is finishes as well, right?
19:29:42FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (run tests to see the problem https://github.com/Patitotective/downit/blob/devel/tests/test.nim)
19:31:04FromDiscord<huantian> uh are you using a different client for each asyncronous request?
19:31:12FromDiscord<!Patitotective> yes
19:31:51FromDiscord<Alea> Is there a guide to seriously optimizing nim programs?
19:32:09FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @huantian "uh are you using": is that dumb? should i use the same for all?
19:32:31FromDiscord<huantian> no don't use the same for all
19:34:23FromDiscord<!Patitotective> also i dont get why `AsyncResponse.body` is `Future[string]` instead of just `string`ā†µsince you always get `Future[AsyncResponse]` shouldn't the request succeed as the body?
19:34:50FromDiscord<huantian> body is a string tho
19:34:55FromDiscord<huantian> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/995412756138311760/unknown.png
19:35:04FromDiscord<Alea> Oh I've seen this one before, they do it so you can get headers if something fails iirc?
19:35:25FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @huantian "": whaaat
19:35:27FromDiscord<dom96> the body is a stream so that you can read large bodies without putting it all into memory
19:35:46FromDiscord<huantian> well FutureStreams are string streams so aren't they all in memory anyways?
19:36:10FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @huantian "": someone updatedā†µlast week it wasnt like that
19:36:21FromDiscord<dom96> @!Patitotective I would suggest writing a quick script to `getContent` the URL that's missing part of the body to rule out any httpclient bugs
19:37:47FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @huantian "well FutureStreams are string": nope, the body is read in chunks and it should be possible for you to save it to a file in chunks for example
19:38:35FromDiscord<dom96> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/version-1-6/lib/pure/httpclient.nim#L1280
19:38:41NimEventerNew post on r/nim by rotuami: Record type, see https://reddit.com/r/nim/comments/vv9c4g/record_type/
19:39:55FromDiscord<huantian> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=424z
19:41:06FromDiscord<!Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=424A
19:41:44FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @huantian "so if I do": yeah, it shouldn't. Though last time I used it there were bugs which meant that it did :)
19:41:53FromDiscord<!Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=424B
19:42:23FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @dom96 "yeah, it shouldn't. Though": why does http client use the weird stuff like setting client.bodyStream instead of reading the resp.bodyStream? is it because of said bugs?
19:42:26FromDiscord<!Patitotective> oh huan i just rememberedā†µ`AsyncResponse.body` is not public so i gotta call the `body` proc that returns a futureā†µhttps://nim-lang.org/docs/httpclient.html#body%2CAsyncResponse
19:43:03FromDiscord<dom96> just `waitFor` it
19:43:35FromDiscord<!Patitotective> why does the response finishes earlier than the body? thats so weird
19:43:52FromDiscord<!Patitotective> oh, is it because it has to read the stream?
19:44:59FromDiscord<dom96> yep
19:45:31FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @huantian "why does http client": not sure what you mean
19:45:55FromDiscord<Phil> ... I kinda wish we could use tauri in nim
19:46:19FromDiscord<Phil> playing around with it looks fun, but writing rust looks still painful
19:46:38FromDiscord<huantian> `httpclient.downloadFileEx`, isntead of simply doing what I sent, it seems to use `client.bodyStream` instead of `response.bodyStream`
19:46:39FromDiscord<!Patitotective> anyway domā†µim already checking if it finishes here https://github.com/Patitotective/downit/blob/devel/downit.nim#L180 (?)ā†µ`data.requestFuture.read().body.finished`
19:47:44FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @huantian "`httpclient.downloadFileEx`, isntead of simply": don't recall. Could just be a legacy thing
19:48:59FromDiscord<huantian> my thought was that it doesn't have to write the the response's stream, and can directly write to the file stream
19:49:20FromDiscord<huantian> but since you mentioned that there's no difference since it stays chunked anyways, I wasn't sure
19:50:00FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @Patitotective "anyway dom im already": does doing it in a repro script get you the full body?
19:50:07FromDiscord<dom96> you still haven't answered that :)
19:51:01FromDiscord<!Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=424E
19:54:32FromDiscord<dom96> hm, okay, so where do you actually read the body stream in your downit code?
19:55:10FromDiscord<!Patitotective> here https://github.com/Patitotective/downit/blob/devel/downit.nim#L105ā†µand im checking if it finished there as well
19:58:22FromDiscord<dom96> I don't see anything obviously wrong I'm afraid
19:58:52FromDiscord<!Patitotective> :/
19:59:21FromDiscord<dom96> Don't be afraid to insert `echo`'s into httpclient and see what's going on there
20:08:59FromDiscord<enthus1ast> Pdo as much as possible during compiletime, avoid allocations, avoid string split, branch as less as you could, compile with -d\:danger -d\:ltoā†µ(@Alea)
20:09:35FromDiscord<enthus1ast> Benchmark with eg benchy
20:11:07FromDiscord<huantian> yes for string stuff you wanna use stuff like parseutils instead of splitting
20:33:34FromDiscord<kevin> @treeform got a question about `puppy`
20:33:59FromDiscord<kevin> It's very possible I just don't know what I'm doing but I submitted an issue on what I think is a bug in puppy
20:34:04FromDiscord<kevin> https://github.com/treeform/puppy/issues/76
20:44:49FromDiscord<treeform> In reply to @kevin "It's very possible I": It's not an issue we have run into. We will take a look.
20:45:11FromDiscord<treeform> Does this happen with arc?
20:45:42FromDiscord<kevin> I guess I have not tried alternate gc's. I am using whatever the default is (i think refc)
20:47:04FromDiscord<kevin> OK I just tried `--gc:arc` and it still has the same issue
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21:18:32FromDiscord<treeform> ok
21:18:46FromDiscord<treeform> we will figure it out
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23:28:10FromDiscord<ynfle> !eval echo 8 / 9
23:28:14NimBot0.8888888888888888
23:28:21FromDiscord<ynfle> Why doesn't it round?
23:28:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What?
23:28:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `8 / 9` is float division
23:28:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `8 div 9` is euclidean division
23:44:43FromDiscord<ynfle> Shouldn't it be 0.8888888888888889?
23:46:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Is it culling signfiicant digits or showing all digits inside the float?
23:47:17FromDiscord<huantian> I don't think when you do float math you round
23:47:18FromDiscord<huantian> always truncate
23:49:42FromDiscord<huantian> actually I have no idea how ieee 754 works I learn it then forget it a few seconds because it doesn't matter
23:49:52FromDiscord<ynfle> !eval echo 0.8888888888888888ā†µ+ 0.00000000000000001
23:49:55NimBotCompile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 24) Error: invalid token: no whitespace between number and identifier
23:50:12FromDiscord<ynfle> !eval echo 0.8888888888888888ā†µ+ 0.00000000000000001
23:50:14NimBotCompile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 24) Error: invalid token: no whitespace between number and identifier
23:50:33FromDiscord<ynfle> !eval echo 0.8888888888888888ā†µ + 0.00000000000000001
23:50:35NimBotCompile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 24) Error: invalid token: no whitespace between number and identifier
23:50:46FromDiscord<huantian> !eval echo 0.8888888888888888 + 0.00000000000000001
23:50:50NimBot0.8888888888888888
23:51:12FromDiscord<ynfle> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Is it culling signfiicant": Culling
23:51:29FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @NimBot "0.8888888888888888": is this not to be expected?
23:51:59FromDiscord<ynfle> šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø I'd assume not, but not sure
23:52:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's floats
23:53:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=42Dg
23:53:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Turns out floating point impercision is real
23:53:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you care about the accuracy of numbers you dont use floats
23:53:52FromDiscord<ynfle> That's not what I did
23:53:59FromDiscord<ynfle> I added 1 on to the end
23:54:05FromDiscord<ynfle> Not to the last 8
23:54:26FromDiscord<huantian> maybe you should just use like <http://weitz.de/ieee/>
23:54:33FromDiscord<huantian> to visualize your calculations
23:55:06FromDiscord<ynfle> This has nothing to do with calculations, but with printing
23:55:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Did you look at my code?
23:56:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Your example doesnt exist as a floating point number
23:57:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> !eval echo 0.1f32 + 0.2f32
23:58:03NimBot0.300000011920929
23:58:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well shucks
23:58:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Expect the printed float to be the value that is held and not the exact number you gave