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00:55:43FromDiscord<Alea> in these 2 examples:↵https://github.com/Niminem/NNfSiX/blob/master/Nim/p5_ReLU_Activation.nim↵https://github.com/Niminem/NNfSiX/blob/master/C/p005-ReLU-Activation.c↵is nim really that terse compared to C or are the implementations different?
00:55:55FromDiscord<Alea> 50 vs 280 lines is a big dif
00:59:33FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well the Nim library imports `neo`
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01:24:58FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> is there any way to write something like "type Foo[I; T = I.T]"? that exactly doesn't compile
01:25:51FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> reason I want this is so that I can have a bunch of types who all have some easily accessible ".T" type, and here Foo is wrapping another such type that has a ".T" so I just want to propagate it upwards
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01:29:55FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well do you really need that `T` then if it's inferred from the `I`?
01:31:00FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ppA
01:31:31FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> the issue is if I'm writing a function that's generic over any of these
01:31:41FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> I want to be able to just say ".T" and get the type they contain
01:33:46FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> This might work then, can always make a template that takes a `Foo` in this example that does `I.T` https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ppB
01:34:01FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Sorry if this is not helpful 😄
01:34:07FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> I'll try that, sounds like it could work
01:37:48FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> ..actually not sure how to write a template that accepts a specific type itself as an argument rather than a value of that type, I'm now realizing
01:39:17FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Does it really need to be a `typedesc` since this is valid https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ppD
01:40:03FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> oh I see, hm
01:40:28FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> You can only get `I` of a concrete instantiation, since `typedesc[Foo]` could be any generic instantiation
01:41:09FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Oh nvm i'm dumb 😄
01:41:25FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> it seems like the issue with this is it has to take a value
01:41:33FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> so I'd need to manually define this T template for each type
01:41:42FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> rather than it being automatic in the cases where it's already a type parameter
01:42:53FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Have a more concrete example?
01:43:16FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> yeah, I'll show my actual code
01:44:49FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ppF
01:45:10FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> `Iter[T]` is the result of an iteration step (either yielding a value, skipping the current iteration, or ending the iteration)
01:45:23FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> `SeqIter[T]` is a mutable iterator wrapper over a seq that keeps a counter
01:45:52FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> `FilterIter[I]` keeps a predicate and tests if any step value passes it; if so, it passes it on, otherwise it gives a skip
01:46:09FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> so the issue is for most iterators I could just do `.T` to get the type
01:46:14FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> and this would work with that `iterSeq` function
01:46:21FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> where I try to return `seq[I.T]`
01:46:30FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> that won't work with `FilterIter[I]` though
01:50:14FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I dont quite get where the issue looking at that 😄
01:50:32FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> try calling `iterSeq` on a `FilterIter[SeqIter[int]]`
01:50:41FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> then `I.T` would not exist
01:50:48FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> because `FilterIter` has no type named `T`
01:51:19FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> what I wanted to do was to write something like `type FilterIter[I, T = I.T]`
01:51:23FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> but that gives me an error
01:53:28FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Ah give me a moment
01:54:29FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Do you have a test i could steal for testing?
01:54:33FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> sure
01:55:25FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/oz9
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02:06:29FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea this is an odd problem to solve, probably can use macros which returns `T` if it's one of your iterators otherwise returns the generic
02:09:20FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> yeah I suppose I shouldn't be surprised given that this sort of HKT usage is a bit of an afterthought
02:09:57FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> still fun that other things like map work properly though
02:11:47FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> wait think I may've gotten it
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02:13:06FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/nmJ
02:13:27FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> so it looks like I can just be totally implicit with the fact that `I.T` is the same as `T` in the definition of `FilterIter` and just do it at the proc sites
02:13:34FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Ah i was avoiding that cause i figured it was supposed to be inferred from `I` 😄
02:13:41FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> yeah same
02:14:01FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> (also you might notice I found a bug with my iterSeq impl lol)
02:15:10FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ppM
02:15:53FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Now you have an ugly functional iterator, so co congrats 😛
02:15:59FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> (edit) removed "co"
02:16:06FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> co-congrats lol
02:17:30FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ppN
02:17:33FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> it's more like the mutable rust iterators
02:17:44FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I meant functional as in procedure called
02:17:46FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> ah
02:19:13FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> But i can see how you thought i meant the ugly functional stuff aswell 😛
02:19:31FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> see, this would be a lot prettier if I had associated types or proper HKTs :^P
02:19:42FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> and actual type inference on lambdas
02:19:57FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> writing the easily inferrable `(x: int)` pains me a little bit
02:20:30FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well local inference
02:20:43FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> It can be stronger
02:21:41FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> I see what you mean actually now thinking about it some
02:22:00FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> since they don't have anything like typeclass constraints to propagate the needs of code outwards, and generics are just sort of like template instantiation
02:22:41FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea "This is supposed to be a `proc(a: int)`
02:22:48FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> (edit) "int)`" => "int)`" is clear to see but hard to presently reason about"
02:23:44FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Was it you i made that silly macro for generating inferred lambdas?
02:23:57FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> lol I don't think so
02:24:14FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> must be another haskell/ML person
02:25:49FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Ah here it is https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o3A
02:27:35FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> lol
02:30:35FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Personally i'm more interested in the enum inference cause lambdas are my least favourite feature 😄
02:31:28FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> :P
02:37:52FromDiscord<k1tt3hk4t> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ppR
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05:26:01FromGitter<bung87> @ba0f3 are you here?
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06:36:07PMunchPrestige, I'm back at work today, which means back to Nimdow :)
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07:25:21PMunch200 stars on nimlsp today :)
07:30:17FromGitter<bung87> wow, what cause it
07:32:23planetis[m]congrats
07:32:30FromGitter<bung87> I remenber prologue archive hundreds stars less than a week, he write a thread on hacknews
07:33:21PMunchI meant it has reached 200 stars, not 200 new stars today :P
07:34:44PMunchOh damn, apparently someone has been running their own bot as nickserv on Freenode: https://mobile.twitter.com/plainoldchair/status/1402685764937338881
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07:39:48FromGitter<bung87> okay
07:40:46FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Actually getting stars on repos, impossible 😄
07:45:14FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> i think the trick is sharing your repos on r/nim or smth
07:52:05FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Nah this month with Nim 😄
07:55:19FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> never heard of it 😑
07:55:33FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> (edit) "😑" => "😐"
07:55:50FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> It's a monthly post to the Nim blogs section
07:56:03FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> https://nim-lang.org/blog/2021/06/01/this-month-with-nim.html
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08:04:32FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> time to blow minds with my hexclock on this month with nim
08:04:33FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> https://github.com/RainbowAsteroids/hexclock/raw/master/screenshot.png
08:06:18FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> lol
08:09:27FromDiscord<Rika> Post my progress bar library pls smh
08:12:41FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well if you make an issue it can be done
08:13:05FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I dont like the premise of adding stuff for people, feels a bit disingenuous
08:14:06FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> We already have 4 posts including my Sumtypes that some people dont like the named of
08:14:35FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @ElegantBeef "*I dont like the": I was joking, I’ll look into the issue
08:14:41FromDiscord<Rika> Making the issue
08:15:26FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea i was just saying why i didnt
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08:18:30PMunch@Rainbow Asteroids, now set up a server that serves a web-page that does the same thing ;)
08:18:45PMunchWith an auto-refresh so every second it updates
08:19:13PMunch"oops, it's quarter to mauve, gotta run"
08:20:04FromDiscord<Rika> Why a refreshing webpage? You can write JS with Nim so why not a dynamic?
08:20:25PMunchFair enough
08:20:35PMunchWouldn't even require a server then, just a host
08:20:49FromDiscord<Rika> Kind of wasteful to refresh everts second
08:21:00FromDiscord<Rika> Every
08:23:07FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> write the autorefresh in nim, genius
08:23:09FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Kinda have to laugh that you used arc for that clock 😄
08:23:19FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> lol
08:24:08FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Gotta hit that 144fps otherwise it's an awful clock
08:24:36FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> the SDL bindings don't even have automatic memory management. first time I used SDL I had a memory leak
08:25:39FromDiscord<Rika> Nice
08:26:00FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> my tictactoe game needs 6 GB of memory, don't question it
08:26:48FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Ah it also uses 300% of my cpu
08:26:57FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> How many bitcoins do you get per second?
08:28:10FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> not enough. shoulda made it do monero instead
08:29:23FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Oh is tweens a port of easings.net?
08:29:38FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> no, some easing functions i wrote
08:29:52FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> i mean i copied them off of some website, but close enough
08:30:12FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Ah, was going to port easting.net when i get some time and patience 😄
08:30:26PMunch@ElegantBeef, I've already ported easings.net: https://github.com/PMunch/SDLGamelib/blob/master/gamelib/tween.nim
08:31:26FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Ah
08:31:39PMunchWell, I wrote a tweening implementation that can do arbitrary curves and added the curves from easings.net as options for pre-defined curves :)
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09:03:57FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Do you know how can I convert that to nim please? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/852473146694041600/unknown.png
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09:18:13PMunch@System64, did you try my nodecl suggestion?
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09:48:25FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> yeah
09:48:30FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> no music
09:49:35FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3prn
09:51:24FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> (Doesn't compile on the C side)
09:57:11FromDiscord<haxscramper> Show the error too
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10:22:01FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @haxscramper "Show the error too": https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/852492793318080512/unknown.png
10:23:18FromDiscord<haxscramper> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#implementation-specific-pragmas-nodecl-pragma↵`> It tells Nim that it should not generate a declaration for the symbol in the C code.`
10:23:43FromDiscord<haxscramper> You need to have a `header` as well for the declaration I think
10:25:07PMunchWait, so it compiles or it doesn't compile?
10:25:11PMunchSince you said you got no music
10:25:12FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> the .h thing?
10:26:22FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> yeah but there I changed the code to create an emu, no music + doesn't compile
10:26:56PMunchDo you have a minimal example in C and its equivalent in Nim where the C version plays sound and the Nim version doesn't?
10:27:07PMunchIf so I can try to run them and figure out what goes wrong
10:29:16FromDiscord<haxscramper> https://github.com/ShiftMediaProject/game-music-emu/blob/598efca17a97ee4749e671ee51df2a0acefb21fd/demo/basics.c
10:30:35PMunchAh never mind, this is a Windows thing?
10:33:12FromDiscord<haxscramper> I checked their example and it also runs fine on linux, but I got no sound as well
10:35:29FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @haxscramper "I checked their example": With my binding or the original C code too?
10:44:55FromDiscord<haxscramper> did you check C code yourself?
10:53:20FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> tried to compile?
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11:15:55FromDiscord<haxscramper> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3prI
11:15:56FromDiscord<haxscramper> It generates correct `out.wav`
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11:16:15FromDiscord<haxscramper> For the demo. And also builds correct library version
11:16:57FromDiscord<haxscramper> Well, not "correct" - there was nothing wrong with it in the first place, but considering your `.dll` does not have required symbols you might want to build it from source
11:17:39FromDiscord<haxscramper> idk how exactly you are supposed to wrap `extern const` global variables, but your original approach with `importc: gme_ay_type` and `dymlib: "libgme.dll"` seems fine to me
11:24:47FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> I'll try to compile it
11:24:57FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> And does it play music ?
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11:34:24FromDiscord<haxscramper> Id won't play any music
11:34:32FromDiscord<haxscramper> `> C example that opens a game music file and records 10 seconds to "out.wav"`
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11:41:59FromGitter<kaushalmodi> System64: Can you get the original C code to work and get the sound?
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11:51:01FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3prU
11:52:46FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> But I saw an interesting message
11:53:17FromDiscord<haxscramper> well, i literally just copy-pasted the code again and it generated `out.wav` file
11:53:48FromDiscord<haxscramper> I'm still not sure why are you so convinced it would play any sound though, because that's not what it says in the example
11:53:52FromDiscord<haxscramper> comment
11:54:24FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> It says that, that's interesting https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/852516040033828924/unknown.png
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12:00:43FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @haxscramper "I'm still not sure": 'cause with the GameMaker plugin, it plays sound
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12:04:15FromGitter<bung87> hey , how to version dll source files, I dont want to compile every time the proc calls
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12:09:42FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Well I have a debug dll https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/852519894053421096/gme.dll
12:12:55FromGitter<bung87> found some one compute all files hash in that dir
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12:29:12FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> humm weird, seems it doesn't play any sound even in C, I dunno if I need something else to play sound
12:35:39FromGitter<kaushalmodi> System64: ⏎ ⏎ > humm weird, seems it doesn't play any sound even in C ⏎ ⏎ So you'd need to first get that working. Engage that lib's developer to help find out if you are missing any dependencies [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=60c2071a20e86942d254319e]
12:36:33FromDiscord<haxscramper> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3psd
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12:36:49FromDiscord<haxscramper> initialize some internal state or start playing things?
12:38:58FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> I dunno, what I know is the program creates a wav
12:44:27FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> I think I need something to play the buffer
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12:52:21FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> ??
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12:57:35PrestigePMunch: congrats on the 200 stars :)
13:02:47FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> it's me or an audio buffer is just an array of number that describe the waveform?
13:02:55FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> (edit) "number" => "numbers"
13:03:18FromGitter<kaushalmodi> Everything on a computer is just 1's and 0's
13:04:02FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> I made a loop that prints the values of a buffer and... https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/852533563878539304/unknown.png
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13:15:09FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> But I think GME_PLAY just outputs a buffer
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13:30:33FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Is there a module that can play a buffer ?)
13:32:40FromDiscord<haxscramper> IIRC sdl can work with audio buffers
13:36:43FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Okay I have sdl2
13:37:27FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> So I need to interop with
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13:45:57FromDiscord<haxscramper> There is a SDL wrapper already
13:52:58FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Oh nice
13:53:09FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Do you mean SDL or SDL_MIXER ?
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14:08:52FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> I think SDL_MIXER can do sound too
14:15:29FromDiscord<Goel> https://github.com/nim-lang/sdl2
14:20:59FromGitter<kaushalmodi> timotheecour: Are you here? I am trying to update a testament test. I am seeing that the Hint messages in the discard""" .. """ get shuffled. Is that expected?
14:31:52FromGitter<kaushalmodi> Anyways, I created a PR ref: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/18232/files . I see that I need to put the warnings in the exact order. I expected the line number changes but not the order of warnings.
14:39:32FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> WTF seems hard to play a buffer!
14:43:47ForumUpdaterBotNew thread by Kaushalmodi: Test for https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/9070, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8104
14:53:30FromDiscord<Ricky Spanish> anyone konw of any nim packages for formatting text/code files? or something to assist me in setting my own formatting rules easily
14:54:06FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> I think I found the C++ code for playing music https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/852561265595252736/message.cpp
14:54:58FromGitter<bung87> formatting nim code ? nimpretty
14:55:31FromDiscord<Ricky Spanish> not nim code is the issue, really i want something i can use to define my own rules for formatting text easilly
14:56:35FromGitter<bung87> strutils or strformat has a proc that you can define custom open char and close char
14:57:25FromDiscord<Ricky Spanish> hm ok thanks ill take a look and see
14:59:05FromGitter<bung87> https://nim-lang.org/docs/strformat.html#fmt.m%2Cstring%2Cchar%2Cchar
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15:25:57FromDiscord<haxscramper> In reply to @Ricky Spanish "not nim code is": if you want to try I have reimplementation of `google/rfmt` code layout algorithm https://haxscramper.github.io/hmisc/src/hmisc/other/blockfmt.html
15:26:44FromDiscord<Ricky Spanish> yes thats exactly the kind of thing im looking for
15:26:55FromDiscord<haxscramper> And several sequence alignment algorithms https://haxscramper.github.io/hmisc/src/hmisc/algo/hseq_distance.html#needlemanWunschAlign%2Cseq%5BT%5D%2Cseq%5BT%5D%2Cint%2Cproc%28T%2CT%29
15:27:26FromDiscord<haxscramper> But it is proof-of-concept at best, so not a lot of examples beyond tests.
15:28:40FromDiscord<Ricky Spanish> worth a try, for now iv got a fairly limited usecase for it anyway so worth experimenting, thanks
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17:48:44FromDiscord<Goel> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3pug
17:49:19FromDiscord<haxscramper> I think you can unpack `(v, n, a, b) = (0,0,0,0)`
17:49:38FromDiscord<haxscramper> But there is no python(?)-like assign for multiple values
17:50:15FromDiscord<haxscramper> !eval var a, b, c: int; (a, b, c) = (1, 2, 3); echo a,b,c
17:50:17NimBot123
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17:50:52FromDiscord<Bung> !eval var a,b,c = 0
17:50:55NimBot<no output>
17:51:19FromDiscord<Bung> !eval var a,b,c = 1; echo a,b,c
17:51:20FromDiscord<haxscramper> !eval var a, b, c = 112; echo a, " ", b, " ", c
17:51:22NimBot111
17:51:22NimBot112 112 112
17:52:09FromDiscord<Bung> !eval var a,b,c:int; a,b,c=1; echo a,b,c
17:52:11NimBotCompile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 17) Error: invalid indentation
17:53:44FromDiscord<Goel> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3puh
17:54:03FromDiscord<Goel> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3puh" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3pui"
17:54:27FromDiscord<Goel> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3pui" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3puj"
17:54:45FromDiscord<Bung> this wont work
17:54:46FromDiscord<Bung> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3pul
17:57:14FromDiscord<haxscramper> In reply to @Goel "Ok yes packing/unpacking was": They can't be assigned because the syntax does not support this
17:57:27FromDiscord<haxscramper> This is simply not implemented this way
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18:01:58msthuh
18:02:03mstnot upgraded to libera yet
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18:32:55ldleworkmst: please don't bring that in here
18:46:30mstldlework: "bring htat in here" what
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18:54:38ldlework"huh, not upgraded to libera yet" is pretty transparently loaded, and the channel has gotten on just fine until now
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19:05:55FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> do you know how can I play a buffer with SDL2 please?
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19:38:11mstldlework: it's -opinionated- but not reloaded
19:40:12mstldlework: I presume you've warned all your users that their passwords are potentially compromised now?
19:40:19PrestigeFlandre - I think there are examples online, but I haven't used SDL2 myself
19:40:37ldleworkmst: do you have a question about nim?
19:40:38mstldlework: I'm working with the new sysadmin team to make sure that can't happen again but it's a legitimate concern
19:41:05mstI might an idle comment and you addressed -me-
19:41:16mstI wasn't going to mention it further
19:41:47msthonestly, I'm mostly here because I'm impressed that ORC is a production version of the Bacon recylcer algorithm
19:41:51ldlework> question about nim
19:41:53ldlework I guess not.
19:42:25ldleworkcool, carry on then
19:42:38mstand I haven't asked anything specifically yet because I'm still RTFMing about a bunch of stuff
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19:45:02mstone thing I am curious about - is there a flag for ORC for this already or could such a thing be added so that it would emit warnings any time it cleaned up a cycle?
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19:46:56FromDiscord<haxscramper> I'm not aware of such flag for orc (runtime flag), and compile-time cycle detection is not available (and I'm not sure if this is even possible in theory)
19:47:34mstno, no, I know compile time cycle detection isn't going to be a thing
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19:48:22mstwhat I'm thinking about is running orc during dev/test/stage/soak
19:48:37mstbut with a view to ensuring that cycles can be eliminated
19:48:41mstso production can be arc
19:49:28mstI have perl code that runs in dev/test/stage/soak with a periodic check for cycles that breaks them and emits a warning
19:50:06mstthis is also where possible a good idea for python since python's mark/sweep GC sucks basketballs through a carbon nanotube straw
19:50:50mstif this means I'd have to add the 'warnOnCycles' or whatever flag for orc that doesn't bother me
19:51:08mstI just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed an already existing one
19:56:35mstldlework: note while it's not my -primary- goal in getting interested in nim, making it such that I can write perl/XS modules using it is an interesting first step
19:56:58ldleworkyo nim is awesome and i hope you enjoy it
19:57:26msthaving read most of the manual and a bunch of other bits
19:57:31mstit's looking like serious fun to me
19:57:58mstthough I'm going to have to figure out a way to do weak references that fits my paradigm
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20:01:04mstldlework: my apologies for starting off with a comment that would've been identical to the comment made by a single purpose troll
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20:07:28FromDiscord<haxscramper> https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#GC_getStatistics might be somewhere close
20:08:19FromDiscord<haxscramper> `std/system` has a number of GC-related procedures, but honestly I think there is no built-in way to get this sort of information unless it was exposed for debugging purposes by some obscure switch
20:08:50FromDiscord<haxscramper> That is not mentioned anywhere due to "for internal debugging only"
20:09:25msthaxscraper, that info isn't -exactly- what I want but it -is- absolutely a great place for me to start looking towards achieving my goals with a patch
20:09:29FromDiscord<Hi02Hi> In reply to @haxscramper "https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#GC_getStatist": i actually think that works https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3pvd
20:09:57FromDiscord<haxscramper> `[GC] cycle collections: 0`
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20:10:43mstright, my plan is to emit some sort of (configurable) warning any time there -is- a cycle collection
20:11:10FromDiscord<Lefl> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3pvg
20:12:03FromDiscord<Lefl> Hmm there's `atEnd()`
20:12:14FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Probably should peek exit code
20:12:29FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Also if you're interacting with python there is a library that does just that
20:12:32FromDiscord<haxscramper> file stream can become nil if process died
20:13:09mstas an example, I have perl code that on END {} scans all live objects on the heap, detects cycles, and complains about them
20:13:18FromDiscord<Lefl> Hmm thanks
20:13:56mstI *love* the recycler algorithm (which is what ORC's cycle collection is based on)
20:15:16mstbut I also consider it worthwile to take a program that initially requires ORC to avoid leaking, and turn it into one that's leak free under ARC
20:16:03mstnote I'm not going to feel entitled to anybody else writing code to make that work
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20:16:32mstone of the reasons nim is interesting to me is because the ORC+ARC facility means it's already close enough that I can hopefully bridge the gap myself
20:18:11FromDiscord<Lefl> Hmm I think the problem is that `readline` is blocking and waits for something to happen, but the stream turns to nil in the meantime
20:18:51FromDiscord<Lefl> So checking the exit code is meaningless
20:19:22FromDiscord<Bung> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3pvh
20:19:41mstthe readline code in the stdlib kinda made me want to cry when I read it
20:19:42mstexcept
20:19:43FromDiscord<Bung> without echo repr config , when call PureHeader config become nil ?
20:19:56mstI could understand the entire bloody thing
20:20:07mstso if I'm right that it -deserves- making me cry, I'll send patches
20:21:06FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> In reply to @Lefl "Hmm I think the": Is there a reason you just dont wait for the exit code to change then read the entire stdout?
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20:23:22FromDiscord<Lefl> Yes, I'm using the python program to connect to an HM-10 bluetooth module which broadcasts sensor data. And the python program outputs the data as json which I want to use in nim
20:23:49FromDiscord<Lefl> Technically I could also write the values into a database from the python program
20:23:50FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> So then why not use nimpy? https://github.com/yglukhov/nimpy
20:24:58FromDiscord<Lefl> Because I'm trying to circumvent an issue with reconnecting to the device. If connection is lost the new connection won't hold up for long unless I restart the python process for whatever reason
20:25:21FromDiscord<Lefl> Also does that nimpy work with asynchronous python funcitons
20:25:25FromDiscord<Lefl> (edit) "funcitons" => "funcitons?"
20:25:47FromDiscord<Lefl> (edit) "funcitons?" => "functions?"
20:26:01FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> No clue i only write Nim 😄
20:26:10FromDiscord<Lefl> I haven't tried it yet because I first wanted to try the "easy" way
20:26:31FromDiscord<Lefl> In reply to @ElegantBeef "No clue i only": Then write a bluetooth LE library for me 😄
20:26:40mstgive me a couple months and I'll have full integration with perl async/await
20:26:49mstand it'll still be completely useless to you, I'm sure
20:26:57mstbut it's going to amuse me to make it work anyway
20:27:30FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Does nimbluez not work for you?
20:28:10FromDiscord<Lefl> I don't think it supports bluetooth le?
20:28:13FromDiscord<Lefl> I'm not sure
20:28:55FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> What OS?
20:29:30FromDiscord<Lefl> Linux
20:29:38FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> BlueZ Supports LE it seems
20:29:59FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I think the steam controller uses LE so i can check if you want 😄
20:31:36FromDiscord<Bung> how to copy base ref object properties to inherited ref object ?
20:32:12FromDiscord<Lefl> In reply to @ElegantBeef "BlueZ Supports LE it": Yeah it does, but the question is if I can use that in NimblueZ
20:32:12FromDiscord<Bung> seesm casting and assign have problem
20:32:22FromDiscord<haxscramper> not possible without manual copying
20:32:22FromDiscord<Lefl> Hmm I'll try some stuff
20:32:49FromDiscord<haxscramper> Last time I asked the same question, the answer was: copy each field one-by-one
20:34:19FromDiscord<haxscramper> This might be optimized with `fieldPairs` though
20:34:24FromDiscord<Bung> how you do that , object does not have key
20:34:46FromDiscord<Bung> obj.what = a
20:37:17FromDiscord<haxscramper> In reply to @haxscramper "This might be optimized": no, it seems like this is not possible with only `fieldPairs`
20:37:41FromDiscord<haxscramper> In reply to @Bung "obj.what = a": `var derived = Derived(); base = Base(); deried.field = base.field`
20:37:53FromDiscord<Lefl> Hmm that nimbluez example for device discovery doesn't even work for me
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20:39:12FromDiscord<Lefl> It doesn't print out anything
20:40:06FromDiscord<Bung> that sounds bad, I have many properties
20:40:08mstok. will be back when I've Rtfmed enough to have better questions
20:40:10mstcheers all
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20:40:36FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Seems it's macro time for reassignment of inherited properties
20:40:41FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> who needs to rtfm when other people can do it for you
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20:41:01FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Rainbow spoken like a true new programmer 😄
20:41:26FromDiscord<Bung> in js just Object.assign
20:41:58FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Excuse me it's macro time
20:45:20FromDiscord<haxscramper> I think I did it somehow with `fieldPairs`, but I literally can't remember how
20:45:59FromDiscord<haxscramper> but it was a horrible hack
20:46:07FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea i dont know how you'd do it with field pairs either
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20:51:18FromDiscord<Lefl> Ok this is cool, the library I initially used works waaay better for reconnecting. It'd still be a problem when trying to stop the program gracefully
20:54:10FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> @Bung this might do the trick 😄 https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3pvr
20:56:23FromDiscord<Bung> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3pvs
20:56:40FromDiscord<Bung> but it turns to literal k perperty
20:57:40FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> well yea it's a string
20:58:45FromDiscord<Lefl> Hey I could probably use nimpy with that library
20:58:49FromDiscord<Lefl> No more readline
21:00:16FromDiscord<Bung> Error: in expression 'result.title': identifier expected, but found 'title'
21:00:30FromDiscord<Bung> `Error: in expression 'result.title': identifier expected, but found 'title'`
21:00:46FromDiscord<Bung> i tried yours
21:01:11FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> ah exported fields
21:01:39FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3pvy
21:01:45FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Hopefully that works 😄
21:01:58FromDiscord<Lefl> Damn this will be awesome
21:02:28FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well you're using python still, so not that awesome 😛
21:02:44FromDiscord<Lefl> Well if I could use nim only that would be legendary 😄
21:03:00FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well time for you to get bluez working
21:06:05FromDiscord<Bung> yeah it works
21:06:14FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> And bung that will not work on object variants right now, so be catious
21:06:32FromDiscord<Bung> ref object result does not initial automaticlly ?
21:06:47FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> They default to nil
21:07:06FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> But `RefObj()` does 0 init
21:08:13FromDiscord<Bung> it intial automatically when decalre as var ?
21:09:56FromDiscord<Bung> yeah use var it even cant compare to nil
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21:11:08FromDiscord<Bung> Thanks ! the only way it works , I tried copyMem and casting none of them work
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21:13:33FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well if you dont want to manually initialize the type you can use this https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3pvC
21:13:47FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Expand it where you need it to be
21:15:21FromDiscord<Bung> works like charm!
21:15:48FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Could even add a check to see if the parent is nil
21:15:52FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Then it'd be magic 😄
21:16:53FromDiscord<Bung> if it will cover all case maybe add as api to macros module
21:17:46FromDiscord<Bung> since this use case is very common
21:21:49FromGitter<kaushalmodi> That's a wonderful macro. May be call it `copy`?
21:24:28FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> If only i was as good at naming things as i was making macros 😄
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21:27:43FromGitter<kaushalmodi> But seriously, I think this macro will be a great fit in macros or sugar stdlib. It's worth creating a PR.
21:47:30ForumUpdaterBotNew Nimble package! statistical_tests - Statistical tests in Nim., see https://github.com/ayman-albaz/statistical-tests
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22:38:12FromDiscord<dom96> https://conf.nim-lang.org/?ref=dsc 👀
22:44:44FromGitter<kaushalmodi> Awesome! Going through it now. Btw the page header is off centered on the phone.
22:47:13FromDiscord<dom96> https://github.com/nim-lang/conf.nim-lang.org in case you're up for helping fix the mobile issue, PRs welcome 🙂
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