<< 10-07-2013 >>
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08:55:04Araq_EXetoC: I don't consider reverse iteration something you should do ...
08:55:24Araq_it's bad for prefetching
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09:19:07EXetoCI don't think convenience will be a deciding factor
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11:19:38Araq_EXetoC: the common things need to be convenient, the uncommon stuff doesn't have to be; in the whole stdlib I use reverse iteration once afaict
11:19:56Araq_and that's to make the strack traces more readable
11:34:55EXetoCyeah that's a better reason
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15:23:21EXetoCit seems like IMG_Init is missing
15:25:24EXetoCI'll fix that
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17:51:49EXetoCmeep
17:54:26dom96boop
18:10:15EXetoCsoup
18:47:58dom96gah, there was a Python meet up in my local area today and I totally missed it :\
18:50:10Sergio965How dare you!?
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19:54:01EXetoCdom96: yeah, you could've promoted Nimrod there and everything
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21:38:43dom96EXetoC: indeed
21:41:11gradhaNimBot: !lag dom96
21:41:52Araq!lag
21:41:52NimBot31ms between me and the server.
21:42:04AraqNimBot: !lag
21:42:12Araq--> nothing :P
21:42:22gradha!lag dom96
21:42:22NimBot35ms between me and the server.
21:42:27gradhano, no, that's bad
21:42:29AraqNimBot doesn't know its name
21:42:37gradhaI wanted to know dom96's lag to EXetoC answer
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21:50:05dom96That feature would for some serious spamming..
21:50:10dom96*would allow
21:50:58gradhaisn't that like asking time(last_message) - time(last_message - 1)? spam what?
21:51:39dom96huh
21:52:22dom96I was thinking about CTCP pinging people
21:54:18gradhaso in the nimrod channel nimbot pings you?
21:56:23*dom96 shrugs
22:09:39gradharefactoring is evil, after several commits I still fell I haven't progressed at all
22:11:36gradhadom96: what's your next blog post going to be about?
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22:25:16Araqgradha: what are you refactoring?
22:27:10gradhamy hyperlinker, to work with highlite's stream position rather than line/col
22:27:58Araqhmm
22:28:37gradhasince you are asking, I had to change from TRunes to chars, which makes me wonder if the highlite module would break with non ascii chars
22:28:49Araqalternatively you could teach highlite about line/col
22:29:21Araqwhy should it break? it's simply ignorant about unicode
22:30:06gradhathat's the part which would break would it use line/col
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22:30:46gradhait also ends up being better for me to use the stream position, it's just that it wasn't obvious when I began the program
22:31:28gradhait makes it much easier to deal with multiline things like string literals, which are a PITA to search/test for in line/col mode
22:33:34Araqalright
22:34:46Araqhmm Dschochar Zarnajew pleads not guilty. Comments are disabled. How strange. ;-)
22:35:42gradhawasn't he accused of using WMD?
22:35:52AraqIt's much easier to disable comments than to censor every comment
22:36:23Araqhe's the boston terrorist
22:38:01Araqhow can you build a bomb and plead "not guilty" anway?
22:38:10AraqXD
22:38:44Araq"It wasn't me who killed all these people! It was my bomb."
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22:40:49gradhaIIRC there are many ways of accusing somebody, say killing in different grades (intentional, accidental, and so forth)
22:41:10gradhaso maybe they are trying to pile up many other charges and he has to say yes/no to all?
22:41:25gradhathough I remember seing cases were a person would plead guilty to some charges and not to others
22:48:51*Araq wonders in which countries this form of censorship is carried out
22:49:24gradhathe no comments stuff? I do it all the time I upload a video to youtube
22:49:52Araq-.-
22:50:04OrionPKis anyone interested in what youtube commenters have to say?
22:50:36Araq"worse than reading youtube comments" is now a saying, I think
22:51:03OrionPKproceeding "i'd rather have my eye out with a spoon than"?
22:51:19Araqyep
22:52:04*gradha wonders if the next time I have to to java I should read youtube comments to compare
22:54:22reactormonkgradha, just go for scala.
22:57:46Araqdoes scala have wrappers for all the android apis?
22:58:10gradhasurely scala can call java code without wrappers
22:58:22Araqhow so?
22:58:31Araqdoes it read class files?
22:58:44gradhadoesn't scala generate java bytecode? maybe I'm confusing it with jpython
22:58:48Araqbut then Dalvik doesn't use class files I think
22:59:05Araqgradha: yeah but Nimrod generates C and yet still needs wrappers
22:59:32OrionPKwell
22:59:35Araqyou need to teach it about the foreign functions and types and stuff
22:59:39OrionPKwith VB.NET vs. C# you dont need wrappers
22:59:53OrionPKsame with C# and managed C++
23:00:21AraqOrionPK: yeah because these compilers have readers for the bytecode
23:00:57OrionPKthe DLL's .NET generates are kinda language agnostic
23:01:11gradhaaccording to http://www.scala-lang.org/node/25 you can call java code without wrappers
23:01:11OrionPKthey care that they're .NET dlls
23:01:17Araqexactly
23:01:22gradha"You can call Scala from Java and you can call Java from Scala, the integration is seamless."
23:02:23gradhaunless seamless includes writing ten extra lines of code for each foreign function
23:02:43OrionPKsomeone ought to make a visual debugger for endb
23:02:58Araqyou know ... there is a reason I asked about Android in particular
23:02:59OrionPKvisual studio has spoiled me badly
23:03:22gradhaOrionPK: just write bug free software, tada!
23:03:26OrionPK;D
23:11:11Araqyou can also debug with gdb; use --debuginfo --linedir:on
23:11:26Araqfor gdb there are several GUI frontends
23:11:37OrionPKtrue
23:11:40Araqbut I haven't found a useful one ;-)
23:11:41OrionPKbut then I'm debugging the C
23:11:44OrionPKnot the nimrod, right?
23:11:55Araqnot really
23:12:06Araqthe compiler generates #line directives
23:12:20Araqso it refers to the Nimrod source code
23:12:53Araqyou still have to use C expression syntax a la mystuff->crap though
23:13:27OrionPKsure
23:14:02Araqhowever gdb is pretty flexible you can define your own expression parsers I think
23:14:42Araqsounds like a sweet project *hint, hint*
23:14:49OrionPKyeah it does...
23:16:14OrionPKtapping into an existing debugger front end for gdb would be best probably
23:16:27OrionPKif you can find a good one in the first place
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