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00:48:31	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> How would i fetch the stdout of a process without freezing because no EOF?
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01:06:57	disruptek	beef: i have an example in golden; see the invocation file.
01:07:00	disruptek	!repo golden
01:07:00	disbot	https://github.com/disruptek/golden -- 9golden: 11a benchmark for compile-time and/or runtime Nim 🏆 15 16⭐ 0🍴
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01:20:12	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> ährm, could anyone give me a hint how to solve my error? ⏎ ⏎ i've wrote some code without -d:release, all worked fine, ⏎ but later i turned this swtich on and got the following error in runtime: ⏎ ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5e683ccc80cc7b7924b80f23]
01:20:25	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> does it mean that i try to request the repo attribute without knowing that it have the correct type?
01:20:27	disruptek	~paste
01:20:27	disbot	paste: 11a frowned-upon behavior in chat; please use a service such as https://play.nim-lang.org/ or http://ix.io/ or https://gist.github.com/ and supply us a URL instead. -- disruptek
01:22:43	disruptek	yes, it does.
01:22:56	disruptek	it has the wrong variant.
01:23:55	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> but it does not... ⏎ https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dVt
01:24:09	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> if have a case of around it checking the kind
01:25:20	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> the debug line above the critical line showing correct data
01:26:54	disruptek	entry.repo.gitPull ...
01:28:20	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> badly not, GitRepo is the type oof the gitapi lib; GitRepository is mine, where the path comes from
01:29:10	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> little bit confusing sry
01:29:41	disruptek	can i see the types?
01:30:31	disruptek	de-indent LBEntry, for one thing. the case within, i mean.
01:30:47	disruptek	looks okay otherwise.
01:31:00	disruptek	you don't need a trailing else if your case is exhaustive.
01:31:12	disruptek	(ie. it's best not to have it)
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01:32:35	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> i have added the else just because i've deleted the lbetDirectory case
01:32:40	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> deindent the case?
01:32:44	disruptek	yes.
01:32:50	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> i try
01:33:12	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> you mean the whitespace, right?
01:33:16	disruptek	i do.
01:33:39	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> so the case should be in line with types name?
01:33:54	disruptek	no, but use a consistent indent of either 2 (ideally) or 4 spaces.
01:34:00	disruptek	not 2, 4, 5, or 3.
01:34:05	disruptek	just pick one.
01:34:17	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> ive using 2; the copied from gitapi uses 4...
01:34:29	disruptek	which gitapi?
01:34:36	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> thats not really what i want to discuss here :P
01:34:47	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> sry, no offense, thanks for helping me
01:35:13	disruptek	maybe not, but it's hard to debug code that might be broken because of whitespace in a whitespace-sensitive language.
01:35:17	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> https://nimble.directory/pkg/gitapi
01:35:20	disruptek	so do us a favor and try to write working nim.
01:36:53	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> sry, the whitespace thing, yeah you are right, but my problem is not, that the code does not compile ⏎ ⏎ i have a problem at runtime, so the code is formerly valid i think
01:37:09	disruptek	what do you think the problem is?
01:37:19	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Yea disruptek that's not working for me it just locks my system cause the second process is still running
01:37:36	disruptek	second process?
01:37:44	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> iam not sure, that what i try to figure out
01:37:56	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> The stdout question
01:38:39	disruptek	did you use my code?
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01:38:52	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> yes the while not at read a char
01:39:02	disruptek	the what?
01:39:13	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> not at end*
01:39:50	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> you do mean drainStreamInto right?
01:40:17	disruptek	you probably need /all/ the machinery in there.
01:40:21	disruptek	not just one proc.
01:40:27	disruptek	it's more complex than that.
01:40:38	disruptek	deathpoison: i just cannot help without seeing more code.
01:41:00	disruptek	i don't see a problem here.
01:41:12	disruptek	can you reduce it to a minimal example that doesn't work?
01:42:06	FromGitter	<xflywind> Hello, I want to install `nimph`,but I can't install `nimterop` in Nim version 1.0x in Ubuntu. ⏎ ⏎ nimble install nimterop -y ⏎ ⏎ Get error: ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5e6841eea2ccef3232e63929]
01:43:01	disruptek	!repo gittyup
01:43:03	disbot	https://github.com/disruptek/gittyup -- 9gittyup: 11higher-level git bindings that build upon nimgit2 15 1⭐ 0🍴
01:43:05	disruptek	!repo github
01:43:05	shashlick	Can you remove the nimterop directory in cache and try again
01:43:08	disbot	https://github.com/disruptek/github -- 9github: 11github api v3 for nim 15 6⭐ 0🍴 7& 29 more...
01:43:35	shashlick	And share a paste of the full error
01:44:48	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> sadly that was the full error message ⏎ ⏎ sysfatal.nim:39 ⏎ Error: unhandled exception: 'repo' is not accessible using discriminant 'kind' of type 'LBEntry' [FieldError] [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5e684290ff8bf14a544b4ffd]
01:45:15	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> but i try another tomorrow, and try to encapsulate the whole thing
01:45:46	disruptek	it's probably an error in the api.
01:45:54	disruptek	without seeing more of the stacktrace, i really cannot tell.
01:46:08	disruptek	i can't even tell if it's an error pointing at your code; ya feel me?
01:47:25	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> sure but the whole output is this: ⏎ ⏎ DEBUG Checking for project: test ⏎ DEBUG located at: /home/poisonweed/git/test ⏎ DEBUG aready exists: /home/poisonweed/git/test ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5e68432d8e423969577ed086]
01:47:38	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> so the is sadly no stack trace available
01:48:20	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> but yeah i feel you :P
01:50:30	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> i already fixed some other issues with this library, probably another will do it, if not i will try my best to encapsulate all this stuff
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01:51:20	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> gn8 folks, its enough ;)
01:51:57	disruptek	aight, good luck.
01:54:46	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> in worst case, a execCmd will do the trick anyway :D
01:55:14	FromGitter	<DeathPoison> but feels bad not getting around this error
01:58:24	FromGitter	<xflywind> Now, It stucks here.But it maybe owe to my internet[for me it's slow to pull repo from github]. ⏎ Installing [email protected] ⏎ Building nimterop/nimterop/toast using c backend
01:58:53	leorize	probably it's just slow
01:59:10	disruptek	if it's nimph, it's probably downloading and building libgit. maybe.
01:59:28	leorize	if it's stuck at building toast, then it's not there yet :P
01:59:47	disruptek	true.
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02:03:36	disruptek	github seems dead.
02:03:46	disruptek	maybe it's just slow.
02:05:22	FromGitter	<xflywind> If I use ctrl+c to exit.Next I will fail to install nimterop at once because of cache. ⏎ Build failed for '[email protected]', would you like to try installing 'nimterop@#head' (latest unstable)? [y/N]
02:06:48	shashlick	Ya just wait it out
02:09:38	FromGitter	<alaviss> test
02:11:34	leorize	the gitter official irc bridge doesn't seem to support edits :P
02:22:53	FromGitter	<xflywind> Thanks.Now I have installed nimterop successfully. @shashlick
02:23:07	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> When you commit using your terminal and push the changes using it
02:24:12	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I still have to parse so many ansicodes
02:24:23	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Probably have to remake the drawing/parsing for a third time
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03:32:52	disruptek	testes
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03:37:52	disruptek	i guess i won't be able to support people with spaces in their nicks unless...
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03:41:08	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> 😄
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03:45:57	disruptek	although i copy the first to the second.
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03:54:14	leorize	!help
03:54:27	leorize	disruptek: are you streaming?
03:54:31	disruptek	yeah?
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04:36:00	disruptek	maybe it should mangle the username if they are on irc, so they don't get pinged.
04:37:01	shashlick	why not
04:37:28	shashlick	gets tagged in the command anyway
04:37:34	disruptek	oh, good point.
04:39:34	disruptek	people can query the bot privately to avoid a ping.
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05:09:48	FromDiscord	<Rika> Is this the classic testing in production I see
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06:08:35	axion	Does Nim have anything like CL keywords? Self-referential symbols to use instead of strings, for example to dispatch on within a case statement
06:13:12	FromDiscord	<Rika> what do you mean
06:16:45	axion	I mean exactly self-referential symbols/identifiers that can be resolved at runtime. Not sure how I should describe it in terms of Nim.
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06:18:16	Zevv	ha
06:18:21	leorize	axion: if you can write some mock nim code to describe it then that'd be great
06:21:30	rmt	Something like Ruby's :symbols, I imagine?
06:22:37	rmt	I imagine that Enums are a typical approach,.. probably better than open-ended non-contextual symbols, anyway.
06:23:24	axion	https://gist.github.com/mfiano/f04eb97e3e665f3b242206f30f3eacc5
06:27:29	axion	Enums are fine and all, but assume a finite set.
06:27:38	axion	I guess a case statement was a bad example
06:28:40	leorize	so basically you want a way to not have to write string quotes?
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06:32:10	axion	I realize now my question was pointless and Nim doesn't allow evaluation control of arbitrary expressions outside of meta-programming like Lisp does.
06:32:24	axion	Well, yes, but not specific to strings.
06:32:34	axion	Don't worry :)
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07:26:38	Mister_Magister	Hi people, i need to extract something (text) from website (curl tha html). Any tips/libs on how to do that?
07:27:43	PMunch	https://nim-lang.org/docs/httpclient.html
07:27:48	PMunch	That would be a good place to start
07:28:03	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> use the http client to get, then use the xml tree or html parser libs
07:28:34	Mister_Magister	i know that much :P i'm using it for http server PMunch
07:28:56	PMunch	For a server?
07:29:01	Mister_Magister	@Elegant Beef ye i'm more interested in those
07:29:19	PMunch	There is this in the stdlib: https://nim-lang.org/docs/htmlparser.html
07:29:45	Mister_Magister	PMunch: thanks
07:29:54	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> funnily because of the source code the html parser doesnt work on this https://nim-lang.org/docs/theindex.html
07:30:01	PMunch	This if you want a bit easier way of finding the node you're looking for: https://github.com/GULPF/nimquery
07:30:14	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> <p /> doesnt work with the parser
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07:30:39	PMunch	Hmm, well that's a shame..
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07:30:57	Mister_Magister	and since we are at it, do you have some async tutorial? i'm awaiting everything and that's bad :(
07:31:21	PMunch	Hmm, I was about to write one
07:31:34	PMunch	But then life happened and I actually forgot about it until now..
07:32:01	PMunch	If you've got Nim in action I think there's some good info in there
07:32:20	Mister_Magister	like i'm using telegram bot library and get requests as async, and i'm downloading video from message (async but await) and then running ffmpeg on it (again async but await) and then sending it back (again await) and i would like to do it totally async
07:32:50	PMunch	Well, you need to do those things one after the other anyways
07:32:54	Mister_Magister	otherwise i'm blocking other requests
07:32:55	PMunch	So you need to await the results
07:33:04	Mister_Magister	mhm
07:33:07	PMunch	The benfit comes from handling multiple requests
07:33:23	Mister_Magister	can i await without blocking other requests?
07:33:32	Mister_Magister	>inb4 threads
07:33:43	Mister_Magister	i'm not sure what is async for
07:33:44	PMunch	Every time you `await` Nim will hand control over to something else (for example the thing you awaited, or the handler of new requests)
07:34:38	Mister_Magister	PMunch: that doesn't happen tho or i broke something :< when i await getting requests is freezed
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07:35:32	FromDiscord	<Rika> i feel like youre getting the same issue as i am
07:35:36	PMunch	Well if any of the tasks stay busy for a long time without allowing other tasks to run you will still block.
07:35:38	FromDiscord	<Rika> though i cant easily explain the issue
07:36:19	Mister_Magister	yeah… i don't get the idea of async at all
07:36:44	FromDiscord	<Rika> well async works if you're waiting for stuff a lot
07:36:47	FromDiscord	<Rika> aka an IO issue
07:36:55	leorize	the idea of async is to dispatch the control flow to something else while your request is being fulfilled
07:36:57	FromDiscord	<Rika> if you're PROCESSING a lot that probably needs threading
07:37:14	PMunch	Async/await still only does one thing at a time, and it is what's called co-operative multitasking. So every time you await something that single thing you're doing can now be something else. The benefit comes when doing IO, which is when the OS does things for you. For example when reading a file or getting a network request you ask the OS to put something into memory for you. While you wait for it to do that you are free to do other things instead of just
07:37:15	PMunch	sitting idly by waiting.
07:37:16	Mister_Magister	leorize: well that doesn't happen :C
07:37:42	FromDiscord	<Rika> ok so what libraries are you using exactly
07:38:05	Mister_Magister	telebot
07:38:26	FromDiscord	<Rika> is it async
07:38:28	PMunch	It can also give the impression of multiple things happening at once since simply because you're switching back and forth between things quickly, think about how single processor machines could still run multiple programs "at the same time"
07:39:02	leorize	!repo telebot
07:39:03	disbot	https://github.com/ba0f3/telebot.nim -- 9telebot.nim: 11Async client for Telegram Bot API in pure Nim [Bot API 4.6] 15 61⭐ 7🍴 7& 1 more...
07:39:05	Mister_Magister	hmm wait
07:39:15	Mister_Magister	execShellCmd isn't async :C
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07:39:30	FromDiscord	<Rika> ah youre gonna want the one that returns immediately
07:39:43	Mister_Magister	what do you mean?
07:39:46	leorize	Mister_Magister: well that's your bottleneck :P
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07:39:52	Mister_Magister	leorize: ye i just realised
07:40:12	leorize	I thought you're using asynctools
07:40:14	leorize	!repo asynctools
07:40:15	disbot	https://github.com/cheatfate/asynctools -- 9asynctools: 11Various asynchronous tools for Nim language 15 51⭐ 11🍴
07:40:28	Mister_Magister	no unfortunately
07:40:33	leorize	which does have async processes :)
07:40:36	leorize	so use it :P
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07:41:06	FromDiscord	<Rika> i was thinking of https://nim-lang.org/docs/osproc.html#startProcess%2Cstring%2Cstring%2CopenArray%5Bstring%5D%2CStringTableRef%2Cset%5BProcessOption%5D but thats okay too
07:41:10	FromDiscord	<Rika> wow, 11 cutleries
07:41:29	PMunch	Haha, I'm guessing that's forks
07:41:56	Mister_Magister	leorize: okay
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07:42:43	Mister_Magister	oh one more question, do you have any code style guides? I'm comming form oop and without oop i'm like child with toys, i make huge mess
07:42:48	FromDiscord	<Rika> PMunch, it's a joke some of us make in reference to the original joke, which was a while back
07:43:02	leorize	Mister_Magister: https://nim-lang.org/docs/nep1.html
07:43:13	*	Mister_Magister nepnep
07:43:31	leorize	also give your data structures a lot of care
07:43:53	*	Mister_Magister >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YaRUKhf-Qc eh memes :D
07:43:53	PMunch	Oh, must've missed that joke :(
07:45:36	PMunch	The NEP1 is more about syntactic style, not so much about writing code without objects
07:45:44	PMunch	Anything in particular you feel is "messy"?
07:46:07	FromDiscord	<Rika> nepu
07:46:18	Mister_Magister	PMunch: long file without any structure really, wait here is my bot https://github.com/Michal-Szczepaniak/lenislaw/blob/master/bot.nim
07:46:24	Mister_Magister	you will see right away
07:47:08	leorize	well try this:
07:47:25	leorize	if you wanna make a class, then split it to another module
07:47:32	Mister_Magister	in oop i would split it into objects and files and shit
07:47:46	Mister_Magister	leorize: another module aka new file?
07:47:49	leorize	yep
07:48:07	Mister_Magister	okay makes sense (what i wanted to do tbh)
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07:48:55	Mister_Magister	i like nim and it feels like it has potential for making small lightweight programs (fsck python :D)
07:49:04	Mister_Magister	just gotta understand it more…
07:49:49	PMunch	Yeah, I'd split all the DB stuff into it's own file. Then possibly the downloader procedures into one file
07:50:25	PMunch	And I'd look into a template or something to do the handler, seems like a lot of repetition is going on there
07:50:41	leorize	also... asynchttpserver is **not** threaded
07:50:47	leorize	please don't spawn a thread for it
07:52:06	Mister_Magister	PMunch: same
07:52:10	Mister_Magister	leorize: what do you mean
07:52:34	leorize	https://github.com/Michal-Szczepaniak/lenislaw/blob/master/bot.nim#L774-L777
07:52:41	leorize	that's pure evil :P
07:53:04	Mister_Magister	also i have like downloadDocument downloadImage but the Document and Image objects are made from same base object and i was wondering if i could cast them into one function
07:53:51	Mister_Magister	leorize: but it works! and i thought that if i run waitFor server.serve(Port(2137), cb) before bot.poll(timeout=300) the bot thing won't run
07:54:19	leorize	it works for now
07:54:22	*	Mister_Magister in fact that's what was happening i believe
07:54:41	Mister_Magister	leorize: i can't wait for both of them at the same time
07:54:56	leorize	the idea of asyncdispatch is that you don't have to
07:55:06	Mister_Magister	but the waitFor
07:55:11	leorize	the poll() wait for the event
07:55:18	leorize	then you can act on it
07:55:29	Mister_Magister	what do you mean
07:55:50	leorize	so here's a brief on how async works:
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07:56:49	leorize	you register your event handlers -> the async stuff you use register themselves with the dispatcher -> on poll() the dispatcher runs and activate the callbacks as events are received
07:57:16	leorize	waitFor is: poll(), if not future.isFinished: do it again
07:58:17	Mister_Magister	aaaaand?
07:58:21	PMunch	Hmm @Elegant Beef, the htmlparser seems to work fine on theindex.html
07:58:24	leorize	it's useful for just waiting for one Future in your partially async program
07:58:38	leorize	when it's fully async-powered, you don't have to
07:58:47	leorize	instead you use runForever() :)
07:59:03	Mister_Magister	i don't follow…
07:59:19	leorize	I'm not really the best at explaining things :P
07:59:39	Mister_Magister	leorize: what i can't get is how to wait for both of them at the same time
08:00:24	leorize	telebot api is weird...
08:00:36	leorize	why does it have it's own poll() if it's integrated with asyncdispatch
08:00:41	Mister_Magister	huh
08:02:27	leorize	so let's make it simple
08:02:35	leorize	async give you Futures
08:03:07	leorize	if you want the stuff that's gonna be the Future to run, you call poll()
08:03:24	leorize	waitFor is basically just polling until the Future is complete
08:03:35	leorize	but in this case you don't really care
08:04:01	Mister_Magister	aaaaand?
08:04:12	PMunch	poll is a wrapper that calls `waitFor loop(b, timeout, offset, limit)`
08:04:15	leorize	so what you do is that you capture the Future from asynchttpserver.serve() and telebot.pollAsync()
08:04:19	PMunch	In telebot
08:04:26	leorize	then you call runForever()
08:04:37	leorize	which will run `poll()` forever
08:05:02	leorize	so the you get both telebot and asynchttpserver to run since you got their Futures
08:05:07	leorize	is that simple enough? :P
08:05:19	Mister_Magister	b…but how do i do that
08:05:36	PMunch	Yeah, so instead of the whole thread thing do `asyncCheck server.serve(Port(2137), cb)` and `asyncCheck bot.pollAsync(timeout = 300)` then instead of `thread.joinThread()` do `runForever()`
08:06:22	leorize	ah yea, asyncCheck works too
08:06:51	Mister_Magister	PMunch: whoa thanks
08:06:53	PMunch	A little something like this: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dWd
08:07:26	Mister_Magister	sadly there is no nice IDE for nim :C
08:07:33	leorize	I'm not the best at explaining these things :P IIRC Zevv wrote something related to this, and might be able to give you a better ELI5
08:07:47	PMunch	leorize, yeah neither serve nor poll returns anything in their Futures. So just asyncCheck them to attach an exception handler callback to them :)
08:08:09	PMunch	Mister_Magister, what do you mean, there are many nice IDEs for Nim :)
08:08:13	Mister_Magister	leorize: you are great thank you for even trying to help me!
08:08:22	Mister_Magister	PMunch: like?
08:08:41	PMunch	Well I use Vim :P But I think most people use VSCode
08:08:51	Mister_Magister	i dun like vscode cas m$
08:08:56	Mister_Magister	cause*
08:08:58	Mister_Magister	:<
08:09:06	FromDiscord	<Rika> then just use Code
08:09:11	Zevv	ELI5?
08:09:15	leorize	you gotta admit one thing: MS knows how to please developers :p
08:09:15	FromDiscord	<Rika> the nonbranded version of vscode
08:09:22	leorize	Zevv: explain like I'm 5
08:09:50	PMunch	Rika, wait, there's an unbranded version?
08:09:55	PMunch	What's the difference?
08:10:05	Zevv	haha
08:10:06	Mister_Magister	@Rika what? link?
08:10:16	leorize	Zevv: I tried to give Mister_Magister a brief on how async work, and it's not simple enough :P
08:10:30	Mister_Magister	leorize: i get it i get it
08:10:46	Zevv	oh I never made that writeup. I started it and stalled, and I think PMunch gave it another shot also
08:10:49	PMunch	With nimlsp you can basically use Nim with any editor that supports LSP, but you might want to find a plug-in that does syntax highlighting if the editor doesn't have that by default
08:11:35	PMunch	Zevv, yeah I have a series of articles on multi-tasking in Nim in the pipeline
08:11:54	PMunch	But someone needs a bit more fiber in their diet, 'cause the whole line is clogged!
08:11:55	leorize	PMunch: well if you insist on not using nimsuggest directly, my nim.nvim does provide barebones indent & syntax highlighting
08:12:10	leorize	just need a quick tweak to disable the nimsuggest integration
08:12:18	PMunch	My projects unfortunately tend to be in a FILO queue..
08:12:23	Mister_Magister	ye so there is no nice IDE :C
08:12:55	leorize	Mister_Magister: well if you know your way with neovim you can use my nim.nvim
08:12:59	leorize	!repo nim.nvim
08:13:00	disbot	https://github.com/baabelfish/nvim-nim -- 9nvim-nim: 11Vim support for nim. 15 53⭐ 17🍴 7& 3 more...
08:13:07	leorize	!repo alaviss/nim.nvim
08:13:08	disbot	https://github.com/alaviss/nim.nvim -- 9nim.nvim: 11Nim plugin for NeoVim 15 69⭐ 9🍴
08:13:10	PMunch	Hmm, I should really check out neovim..
08:13:18	Mister_Magister	leorize: i know vim only unfortunately
08:13:30	leorize	neovim is vim with extra features
08:13:35	leorize	if you know vim you know neovim
08:13:57	PMunch	I should also check out kakoune again
08:14:07	FromDiscord	<Rika> i cant remember where the thing is
08:14:11	FromDiscord	<Rika> give me a few minutes
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08:16:28	PMunch	@Rika, was it this thing? https://vscodium.com
08:17:07	FromDiscord	<Rika> no
08:17:11	FromDiscord	<Rika> it was Code - OSS
08:17:23	FromDiscord	<Rika> but it seems like it just redirects to the vscode repo now
08:17:54	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Isn't VSCode open source?
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08:18:37	PMunch	https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/wiki/Differences-between-the-repository-and-Visual-Studio-Code
08:19:00	FromDiscord	<Rika> yup that
08:19:20	PMunch	Aha, so VSCode the repository is Code without any MS stuff. Then when they go to build "Visual Studio Code" they add in their MS specific stuff.
08:19:48	PMunch	So VSCodium is just a pre-built version of the VSCode repo without the addition of the MS stuff
08:19:51	FromDiscord	<Rika> yeah probably an internal repo
08:20:03	FromDiscord	<Rika> no i think vscodium is even more stripped out
08:20:14	FromDiscord	<Rika> probably stuff like telemetry or something
08:20:20	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> yea
08:20:23	FromDiscord	<Rika> though i dont know why they'd leave that in the repo
08:20:32	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> vscodium is the telemetry free version of vscode
08:20:40	PMunch	"The VSCodium project exists so that you don’t have to download+build from source. This project includes special build scripts that clone Microsoft’s vscode repo, run the build commands, and upload the resulting binaries for you to GitHub releases. These binaries are licensed under the MIT license. Telemetry is disabled."
08:20:42	leorize	PMunch: you might like this feature in nim.nvim: https://asciinema.org/a/RXbwCTJXGRKEhMRiHIUEoDGd7
08:20:46	PMunch	From the VSCodium site
08:22:28	PMunch	leorize, which feature?
08:22:34	FromDiscord	<Rika> indent stuff
08:22:34	PMunch	That should at least three or four :P
08:22:55	leorize	well the "smart" indent :P
08:23:04	FromDiscord	<Rika> ~~slow typing i see~~
08:23:14	PMunch	Ah, that could be nice. But I find that "smart" indent often gets in the way unless it's done really well
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08:23:33	FromDiscord	<Rika> i should continue practicing actual touch typing should i lmao
08:23:42	FromDiscord	<Rika> because i use hybrid lmao
08:24:05	leorize	PMunch: it's done well :)
08:24:11	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> My left hand touch types but i use mostly my index and ring finger on my right
08:24:15	Mister_Magister	PMunch: if i make second file should i import or include it
08:24:16	PMunch	Want a type-off? https://typing-speed-test.aoeu.eu/?lang=en
08:24:20	FromDiscord	<Rika> oh no
08:24:26	FromDiscord	<Rika> i can only do like 60
08:24:31	PMunch	Mister_Magister, import
08:24:38	FromDiscord	<Rika> i aint a quick typer
08:24:44	PMunch	And mark things you want to export to other modules with *
08:24:45	Mister_Magister	so * the shit out of every function… got it
08:25:05	PMunch	Haha, I mean you can include as well. But normally you'd do import and *
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08:25:15	FromDiscord	<Rika> Mister_Magister, it depends on what the file's gonna be imported/included for
08:25:29	FromDiscord	<Varriount> @Rika I can type sentences quickly... But I still have to glance at the keyboard for numbers and special symbols
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08:25:46	FromDiscord	<Rika> oh i glance to reposition myself but after that i'm good
08:26:03	leorize	PMunch: I only get 71 wpm on my crappy laptop keyboard :P
08:26:04	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> i use the homing to reposition and average 70-80wpms
08:27:02	PMunch	Rika, leorize, slow morning: Your score: 413 CPM (that is 83 WPM)
08:27:11	PMunch	0 mistakes ofc
08:27:15	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> im pretty much fucked without home row nibs 😄
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08:28:03	PMunch	Elegant Beef, I'd like to have a Dvorak keyboard with the nibs. Never really got used to typing with them and I wonder how much of a difference it would make for me
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08:28:12	leorize	gah I should get on a table :P
08:28:26	FromDiscord	<Rika> i did 280 on a weird typing angle
08:28:27	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Soo anyone wanna explain the basis of reading from a stdout of process started in code?
08:28:41	FromDiscord	<Rika> 4 mistakes because my type of typing is prone to mistakes
08:28:48	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Disruptek did suggest looking at his library, but i just wanna know the premise of what i should be doing
08:28:50	PMunch	Mine would be where you have C and U, not the most optimal position for those..
08:29:09	FromDiscord	<Rika> i hone my left to wasd and i dont actually know where my right hand hones to
08:29:14	FromDiscord	<Rika> home
08:29:17	FromDiscord	<Rika> wrong word
08:29:27	PMunch	@Elegant Beef, well what do you want to know?
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08:30:24	PMunch	You start a Process with startProcess, then you read from the outputStream by using anything in the streams module.
08:30:36	leorize	ok I give up: 370 CPM (that is 74 WPM)
08:30:38	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Yes but since EOF isnt reached it freezes
08:30:46	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I just got 417cpm or 83wpm
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08:30:49	PMunch	Just be sure to actually read output if it has any, otherwise I think it might fill up a buffer and stall the process on a write.
08:30:56	leorize	zero mistakes
08:31:11	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Yea it's stalling my program as is
08:31:25	PMunch	What kind of read are you trying to do?
08:31:31	PMunch	And what kind of process are you reading from+
08:31:44	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> reading from a ncurses based cli application
08:32:05	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Probably doing something wrong for my terminal 😄
08:32:10	Mister_Magister	guys i want to return this from a function but i'm failiing to do so :C https://nim-lang.org/docs/db_sqlite.html#fastRows.i%2CDbConn%2CSqlQuery%2Cvarargs%5Bstring%2C%5D
08:32:23	PMunch	Hmm, yeah that might be hard to consume..
08:32:25	leorize	Mister_Magister: return what?
08:32:34	leorize	the Row or?
08:32:40	leorize	the list of Row?
08:32:47	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I tried multiple methods of reading and they tend to freeze it
08:32:51	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Been testing with cmus
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08:33:24	Mister_Magister	leorize: like put it inside function and then use function in for x in function instead of calling it directly
08:33:42	leorize	you'd want an iterator
08:33:45	leorize	not a function :p
08:33:59	Mister_Magister	ye funciton returning iterator
08:34:08	Mister_Magister	or am i mistaking something
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08:34:16	leorize	how are you expecting to call it?
08:34:21	PMunch	Hmm, "Your score: 448 CPM (that is 90 WPM)", but that was with 2 mistakes..
08:34:27	leorize	let iter = function(); for x in iter:
08:34:33	Mister_Magister	oh okay
08:34:37	leorize	or for x in function()?
08:34:55	leorize	if the second, then you'd want to make an iterator
08:35:13	PMunch	For the first you'd need a closure iterator
08:35:40	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> But yea i've tried using the stream.atEnd with a readLine, but that locks up cause it continues expanding the output i imagine
08:36:07	Mister_Magister	leorize: PMunch: i'm confused now
08:36:10	PMunch	atEnd checks for EOF or stream.close I think
08:36:33	Mister_Magister	can't i just return iterator that fastRows returns?
08:36:41	PMunch	Sure
08:36:45	PMunch	Should work
08:36:54	Mister_Magister	but how
08:36:57	alexande192	heyy
08:36:58	okcc_	i want to catch SIGTERM in order to do clean stuffs before terminating, but i got some errors with the following code
08:36:58	alexande192	guyss
08:37:00	alexande192	morning
08:37:09	PMunch	Morning alexande192 :)
08:37:11	okcc_	hey
08:37:19	okcc_	import posix
08:37:19	okcc_	proc closeDisplay() =
08:37:19	okcc_	echo "sig detected"
08:37:19	okcc_	when isMainModule:
08:37:19	okcc_	signal(SIGINT, closeDisplay)
08:37:27	PMunch	Please don't paste code into IRC..
08:37:38	leorize	Mister_Magister: it's better if you tell us your use case...
08:37:39	okcc_	Sorry
08:37:46	Mister_Magister	PMunch: i made proc function*(): iterator = and assigned fastRows to result
08:37:50	okcc_	i'll not do that
08:38:22	PMunch	Oh, fastRows is an iterator
08:38:28	leorize	okcc_: https://nim-lang.org/docs/posix.html#onSignal.t%2Cvarargs%5Bcint%5D%2Cuntyped
08:38:44	PMunch	Then you'd probably need to wrap that in a closure iterator to return it
08:39:18	Mister_Magister	o…oh…
08:39:22	PMunch	I don't really have a DB to try with..
08:39:24	leorize	PMunch: since Mister_Magister is not fluent with Nim, I don't think we should recommend that until we know the actual use case
08:39:28	Mister_Magister	i don't really follow
08:39:36	okcc_	leorize, thanks, so the signal function is not meant to be used by users?
08:40:24	leorize	okcc_: you can use it, it's just not *that* simple
08:40:52	leorize	Mister_Magister: well how are you gonna use this function?
08:40:57	leorize	like an use case for it?
08:41:16	okcc_	it needs a Sighandler at position 2, meanwhile the Sighandler is not exported in posix
08:41:17	Mister_Magister	leorize: i want to get all rows from database and then use/display them all
08:41:39	okcc_	anyway, thank you
08:42:08	Mister_Magister	leorize: i wanna move getting rows from here to separate file https://github.com/Michal-Szczepaniak/lenislaw/blob/master/bot.nim#L648
08:42:16	leorize	okcc_: that's probably a bug
08:42:19	Mister_Magister	should explain
08:42:22	leorize	you should file it on the issue tracker
08:43:48	PMunch	Mister_Magister, returning iterators: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dWh
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08:44:00	Mister_Magister	leorize: cause if i'm moving db to db module then i wanna move everything db related there
08:44:54	okcc_	leorize: maybe, lol
08:45:21	leorize	Mister_Magister: so you want something like: for cmd in db.articles()?
08:45:38	Mister_Magister	leorize: yes kinda
08:46:01	Araq	will stream soon
08:46:03	Mister_Magister	instead of for cmd in db.fastRows(sql…
08:46:32	Araq	topic: improvements for "goto based" exception handling
08:47:17	alexande192	o.O strange my nick
08:47:20	leorize[m]	Mister_Magister: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dWi
08:47:25	alexande192	not sure what happened PMuch
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08:47:52	PMunch	Mister_Magister, then you can just write your own iterator around fastRows: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dWj
08:47:52	Mister_Magister	leorize[m]: oh thank you!
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08:48:06	PMunch	Haha, yeah, that
08:48:18	Mister_Magister	PMunch: thanks but leorize[m] has cleaner solution :)
08:48:51	PMunch	Haha, it's the same solution :P
08:49:02	Mister_Magister	except it doesn't compile :P
08:49:10	Mister_Magister	neither of those solutions
08:49:14	PMunch	Unless you're referring to my first one where I return a closure iterator
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08:49:33	Mister_Magister	PMunch: yeah
08:49:46	PMunch	Mine compiles on the playground. Not sure what you did to put it into your code..
08:49:46	alexande192	is this the same speed
08:49:52	Mister_Magister	leorize[m]: Error: 'yield' only allowed in an iterator
08:50:11	PMunch	alexande192, yeah how did you end up with replacing the r with a 1
08:50:20	Mister_Magister	same applies for PMunch then :P
08:50:32	leorize[m]	Mister_Magister: well... did you change iterator to proc?
08:50:49	Mister_Magister	oooooooh didn't see that one!
08:51:02	PMunch	Haha :P
08:51:02	Mister_Magister	sorry :D
08:51:24	leorize[m]	read this to understand iterators :P https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#iterators-and-the-for-statement
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08:52:31	Mister_Magister	thank you guys!
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08:59:37	Mister_Magister	PMunch: leorize[m]: putting your teachings into use https://github.com/Michal-Szczepaniak/lenislaw/commit/1c351e5e700512cb0fd067abd3dfec3d2f5ddf27
09:00:02	Mister_Magister	now gotta fix heresy
09:00:40	leorize	now that's a good first step
09:00:51	Mister_Magister	:)
09:02:33	leorize	I also notice a lot of try-except-discard
09:02:55	leorize	there's tryExec() for that :P
09:05:19	Mister_Magister	leorize: link?
09:06:03	leorize	https://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/db_sqlite#tryExec%2CDbConn%2CSqlQuery%2Cvarargs%5Bstring%2C%5D
09:06:03	Mister_Magister	can't find it
09:07:12	Mister_Magister	leorize: but that's only for db and i find only one case where i could use it
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09:08:40	leorize	wait except IOError?
09:08:44	leorize	that doesn't sound right
09:09:10	Mister_Magister	ye but that's not db
09:09:59	leorize	well I would be concerned if you're discarding IOError :P
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09:10:22	Mister_Magister	shhhh :D
09:10:40	leorize	the IOError might have come from your threaded-async attempt :P
09:11:09	leorize	asyncdispatch is not designed for it
09:11:26	Mister_Magister	leorize: it's because if i try to delete message without having permissions to do so it throws io error even tho i checked for permissoins ealier :C
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09:12:51	leorize	wait they actually throw IOError?
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09:13:42	leorize	yep https://github.com/ba0f3/telebot.nim/blob/2da3f0d8e9821b3aa6626251ee6edba0bd9ef78a/telebot/utils.nim#L185
09:13:55	Mister_Magister	ye
09:14:28	leorize	I don't think that's the kind of error meant for IOError, but gotta deal with whatever cards you're dealt with I guess
09:14:46	Mister_Magister	yeah
09:15:03	Mister_Magister	so nim stable is 0.20 and i need 1.0.4
09:15:27	leorize	nim stable is 1.0.6 btw
09:15:44	Mister_Magister	hmm choosenim you liar
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09:26:30	lqdev[m]	ah yes, choosenim downloads the old version again!
09:26:53	Mister_Magister	i need to update nim package for opensuse again
09:27:01	Mister_Magister	i actually helped fixing it
09:27:31	ldlework	I always forget you can use italics in IRC.
09:27:53	Mister_Magister	and colors (idk how tho)
09:27:59	ldlework	and colors!
09:28:39	Mister_Magister	and unicode 👌👌👌👌👌
09:28:50	ldlework	but no gifs :(
09:28:56	Mister_Magister	or images :(
09:30:43	Mister_Magister	latest nim in repo is… 0.19.6
09:31:23	Mister_Magister	tho latest on obs is 1.0.2 https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/devel:languages:misc/nim
09:32:20	Araq	https://www.twitch.tv/araq4k
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09:33:09	Mister_Magister	https://paste.opensuse.org/74652436 hecc those latest libs!
09:33:16	Mister_Magister	they never work :C
09:35:07	Mister_Magister	poll async is only in newer telebot but i can't compile it fml
09:36:39	lqdev[m]	Idlework: nice to know that the bridge converts formatting from matrix to mIRC codes or whatever they were called
09:38:28	Mister_Magister	any idea anyone?
09:42:05	leorize	lqdev[m]: that's a new feature
09:42:34	FromDiscord	<djazz> audio echo on the stream Araq
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10:00:18	Mister_Magister	holy shit PMunch leorize the asyncCheck stuff works!
10:01:33	FromDiscord	<Rika> congrats
10:01:44	Mister_Magister	thanks
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10:02:48	Mister_Magister	https://github.com/Michal-Szczepaniak/lenislaw/commit/75b33f5d867b2e8e4117a9cccc8b72134882e1cf
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10:04:45	dwdv	Ada related question: There's the strutils.HexDigits constant for manual inclusion checks, but does nim also support type decls like the following?
10:04:47	dwdv	subtype hex is character with static_predicate => hex in '0'..'9' | 'a'..'f' | 'A'..'F';
10:05:23	PMunch	Hooray! (sorry, had to go to the dentist for a bit there)
10:05:53	PMunch	dwdv, kinda
10:06:12	Mister_Magister	leorize: https://github.com/cheatfate/asynctools/blob/master/asynctools/asyncproc.nim can i make callback so that when process finishes my callback gets called and it sends video using telebot?
10:06:20	alexande192	oh i hope the dentist went well
10:06:24	alexande192	kinda scared of dentists
10:06:50	PMunch	Me too, but it went well. They had sent me an appointment by accident :P So I just came in, said hi, and left again
10:06:57	Mister_Magister	dentists are pure evil, the more you go to them the less you need to go to them but the less you go to them the more you need to go to them
10:07:21	PMunch	I hadn't been to the regular dentist for 6 year, but I had no holes or anything
10:08:12	PMunch	This is actually the orthodontist (sp?) because I had braces when I was younger (still have them on the back of my teeth) and we're discussing actually fixing it
10:08:19	FromDiscord	<Rika> i dont know why the fuck everyone hates going to the dentist
10:08:49	FromDiscord	<Rika> the only thing i hate about going to the dentist is the sound the scratchy thing they use to clean off plaque has
10:09:26	PMunch	Well, when you've been tortured as much as I have at the dentist it tends to leave a bad taste in your mouth (pun intended)
10:09:45	lqdev[m]	*laughs in exceptionally durable teeth*
10:09:45	PMunch	I didn't mind going to the dentist as a kid
10:09:52	PMunch	And I'm getting over it slowly
10:10:09	PMunch	lqdev[m], my teeth are just fine, it's my jaw that's messed up..
10:10:16	lqdev[m]	oof
10:10:24	FromDiscord	<Rika> whats the issue with your jaw
10:10:29	PMunch	Basically I have a clinical underbite
10:10:45	FromDiscord	<Rika> i had that as a kid, gone by teen years
10:10:48	PMunch	So my front teeth meet instead of the lower ones going behind the top ones
10:10:51	lqdev[m]	yeah mine's a little crooked
10:11:02	lqdev[m]	but nothing too serious
10:11:07	dwdv	PMunch: what should I be looking for in the stdlib/manual regarding the type declaration? Skimmed over the manual, any keywords I could look up?
10:11:15	PMunch	So they started pulling teeth and putting on various braces and expandors to try and fix it
10:11:27	FromDiscord	<Rika> mine're fine except for some insane cavities i somehow/mysteriously got
10:11:46	FromDiscord	<Rika> read the whole thing 😄
10:12:02	PMunch	But through a series of unfortunate events they messed it up and it didn't help at all.. So now I'm stuck with a slight fear of dentists and no improvement (yay)
10:13:25	PMunch	dwdv, well Nim doesn't support declaring that as a type. What you could do is declare a distinct char and write a `converter` to it that throws an error if it isn't in the set {'0'..'9', 'a'..'f', 'A'..'F'}.
10:14:14	dwdv	Ah, I see. Okay, thank you.
10:14:49	PMunch	Alternatively you could declare an enum (potentially with size: 1 to make them byte-compatible) and accept that
10:14:55	PMunch	This could of course be written as a macro
10:18:26	PMunch	dwdv, example of the converter method: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dWD
10:18:38	dwdv	Sure, but I would still have to manually check all over the place, right? Will look into operator overloading.
10:19:06	PMunch	Nope, the converter will try and convert any character to a HexDigit if you pass them
10:19:30	PMunch	A converter is essentially a way to make Nim able to automatically convert between types
10:19:35	dwdv	But ada explodes on foo := 'z'.
10:19:42	dwdv	Would like to replicate that.
10:20:09	PMunch	So does my example: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dWE
10:20:19	PMunch	On runtime though
10:20:46	Mister_Magister	!eval echo "test"
10:20:49	NimBot	test
10:22:32	Mister_Magister	!eval import httpclient, htmlparser; let client = newHttpClient(); loadHtml(client.getContent("https://nim-lang.org/docs/htmlparser.html"))
10:22:35	NimBot	Compile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 70) Error: expression 'loadHtml(getContent(client, "https://nim-lang.org/docs/htmlparser.html"))' is of type 'XmlNode' and has to be discarded
10:22:47	Mister_Magister	!eval import httpclient, htmlparser; let client = newHttpClient(); discard loadHtml(client.getContent("https://nim-lang.org/docs/htmlparser.html"))
10:22:55	NimBot	/usercode/in.nim(1) in↵/playground/nim/lib/pure/httpclient.nim(961) getContent↵/playground/nim/lib/pure/httpclient.nim(956) get↵/playground/nim/lib/pure/httpclient.nim(932) request↵/playground/nim/lib/pure/httpclient.nim(907) request↵/playground/nim/lib/pure/httpclient.nim(876) requestAux↵/playground/nim/lib/pure/httpclient.nim(791) newConnection↵Error: unhandled exception: SSL support is not available. Cannot connect over SSL. ...
10:23:05	PMunch	The playground where that code is running don't have internet
10:23:10	Mister_Magister	geez
10:23:14	Mister_Magister	anyway
10:23:19	Mister_Magister	this code isn't working
10:23:34	Mister_Magister	spits ioerror on me :<
10:23:51	dwdv	PMunch: Oh sweet, "unhandled exception: Character 'z' must be a hexadecimal digit [ValueError]". That should do, thanks again! Completely overlooked converters.
10:23:57	muffindrake	How would I write a wrapper for echo? Even something as simple as printing a timestamp before passing the actual arguments to echo?
10:24:06	Mister_Magister	PMunch: could you help?
10:25:09	Mister_Magister	it loads html just fine but loadHtml throws ioerror
10:26:13	PMunch	muffindrake, write a proc that takes varargs[string, `$`] and pass the arguments to echo.
10:26:43	PMunch	Mister_Magister, isn't loadHtml expecting a file? I think what you want is parseHtml
10:26:50	Mister_Magister	ohhhh
10:26:52	Mister_Magister	makes sense
10:27:42	Mister_Magister	ye works now
10:28:01	muffindrake	Hm, I see. By 'arguments', did you mean 'argument', since that proc (and echo itself in the definition) has technically only one argument?
10:28:29	muffindrake	proc echo*(x: varargs[typed, `$`])
10:29:19	Mister_Magister	SIGSEGV: Illegal storage access. (Attempt to read from nil?) oh me oh my
10:30:59	FromDiscord	<Rika> wtf
10:31:29	FromDiscord	<Rika> so i just discovered why my code was taking time even when async was used, the lib i was using wasnt fully async
10:31:49	PMunch	muffindrake, yeah argument is right. It takes in something which behaves pretty much like a sequence.
10:32:12	PMunch	Mister_Magister, ouch..
10:32:19	PMunch	Was that without -d:release?
10:32:30	PMunch	Or I guess -d:danger nowadays
10:33:51	FromDiscord	<Rika> okay, i was wrong
10:34:11	FromDiscord	<Rika> how do you determine what's bottlenecking my async code ;;
10:34:20	FromDiscord	<Rika> how do you determine what's bottlenecking / async code ;;
10:34:33	FromDiscord	<Rika> ah forgot discord doesnt send s/// code
10:34:41	FromDiscord	<Rika> damn it sorry
10:34:53	Mister_Magister	PMunch: i think attrs is nil and example isn't checking that
10:35:45	Mister_Magister	yep i'm right
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10:36:30	Mister_Magister	PMunch: instead of a.attrs.hasKey in example https://nim-lang.org/docs/htmlparser.html#examplecolon-transforming-hyperlinks i used https://nim-lang.org/docs/xmltree.html#attr%2CXmlNode%2Cstring
10:36:33	Mister_Magister	saved me one if even
10:38:27	Mister_Magister	PMunch: i'm now wondering how to extract text from node…
10:39:13	PMunch	rawText or innerText I'd assume
10:39:25	PMunch	Isn't the output an XMLNode? https://nim-lang.org/docs/xmltree.html
10:39:48	Mister_Magister	thanks! innerText works
10:39:58	PMunch	Rika, well by instrumenting your code somehow..
10:40:02	PMunch	brb, lunch
10:40:05	Mister_Magister	couldn't find it
10:41:17	Mister_Magister	can i hae some array i can append stuff to?
10:47:26	FromDiscord	<Rika> PMunch, ah man...
10:53:47	FromDiscord	<Rika> my asynccheck-called procs are running immediately
10:53:54	FromDiscord	<Rika> i still dont know why
10:54:24	FromDiscord	<Rika> (theyre invoked within an async proc so poll is being called too)
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11:12:47	PMunch	Mister_Magister, a seq?
11:13:34	PMunch	Rika, well yes why wouldn't your async procedures run immediately?
11:13:48	Mister_Magister	PMunch ye i already got it
11:18:20	FromDiscord	<Rika> PMunch because it's doing a network request, and i thought asyncCheck shouldnt context switch?
11:20:01	PMunch	asyncCheck will probably run your code until the first await statement
11:20:22	FromDiscord	<Rika> and then?
11:21:01	PMunch	And then?
11:21:19	PMunch	Then the asyncdispatcher will get control back and hand it over to anything else that's registered
11:22:44	FromDiscord	<Rika> AH
11:22:47	FromDiscord	<Rika> it clicked
11:22:50	FromDiscord	<Rika> okay
11:33:26	PMunch	Async really isn't that hard once you realise how it works :P
11:34:22	FromDiscord	<Rika> well i get how async await works just asynccheck doesnt work as i though
11:36:02	PMunch	Ah, IIRC it just works by attaching a callback that checks for errors
11:36:23	FromDiscord	<Rika> i thought asynccheck returns immediately?
11:36:38	alexande192	guys
11:36:52	FromDiscord	<Rika> ?
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11:37:11	alexande192	i generated a type with integer and CallCountKind field where CallCountKind*: Eq, GtOrEq, LsOrEq, Gt, Ls
11:37:23	alexande192	do you think this is a good idea in general
11:37:47	alexande192	to represent int more generally in cases where one might need to show approximate values
11:38:01	Mister_Magister	Since now i have runForever, can i make timer that will run every 5 minutes and call callback async?
11:38:16	FromDiscord	<Rika> i dont see why not
11:38:28	alexande192	e.g. a = Int64(>= 10)
11:38:42	alexande192	something like that
11:38:48	FromDiscord	<Rika> prolly an async proc with a while true loop that has `await sleepAsync 5*60` then the callback
11:39:00	FromDiscord	<Rika> that might work ^ mister_magister
11:39:29	Mister_Magister	while true loop? doesn't look sane to me
11:40:04	FromDiscord	<Rika> what do you mean sane lmao
11:40:37	Mister_Magister	i already have waitForever and it calls my async callbacks…
11:40:55	Mister_Magister	leorize: PMunch: ideas?
11:41:24	PMunch	Well, the addTimer feature seems like a perfect match: https://nim-lang.org/docs/asyncdispatch.html#addTimer%2Cint%2Cbool%2CCallback
11:42:44	FromDiscord	<Rika> okay so after some thinking
11:43:10	PMunch	alexande192, not really sure what you're talking about there..
11:43:17	Mister_Magister	PMunch: and it will connect to my runForever?
11:43:18	FromDiscord	<Rika> it doesnt make sense for asyncCheck to return immediately because "maybe people want this to run in the correct order" or something i dont know
11:43:22	FromDiscord	<Rika> im still somewhat baffled by this
11:46:31	PMunch	Yup, it is a feature of the asyncdispatch
11:47:48	PMunch	Well that's how co-operative multitasking works. You run when you get told to, and control only switches when you tell it to.
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11:51:11	FromDiscord	<Rika> okay so how do i "queue" something
11:51:36	FromDiscord	<Rika> instead of it running immediately, it runs after the function already running finishes
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11:58:21	PMunch	Attach a callback to it
11:58:48	FromDiscord	<Rika> uh
11:58:52	FromDiscord	<Rika> 😅
11:58:54	FromDiscord	<Rika> how?
11:58:56	PMunch	Basically the first example in the asyncdispatch module documentation
11:59:00	FromDiscord	<Rika> okay thanks
11:59:50	FromDiscord	<Rika> wait, what's the difference of me doing that and asyncCheck then?
12:00:02	FromDiscord	<Rika> asyncCheck's code is literally just that isnt it?
12:00:04	PMunch	What do you mean?
12:00:28	FromDiscord	<Rika> asyncCheck attaches a callback to the future right?
12:00:34	PMunch	Mhm
12:00:50	FromDiscord	<Rika> then why would me doing it manually have different behavior to asyncCheck
12:01:03	PMunch	It wouldn't, if you use the same callback
12:01:34	FromDiscord	<Rika> i mean regards it running immediately and running after the calling proc finishes
12:01:35	PMunch	asyncCheck is just a convenience so you don't `discard` void futures :P
12:02:03	PMunch	Oh, there's no difference to that
12:02:30	PMunch	Ah, I misunderstood what you meant
12:03:03	FromDiscord	<Rika> ah
12:03:04	PMunch	I guess maybe callSoon could help
12:03:15	PMunch	That would run it on the next dispatch
12:03:20	alexande192	i think asyncCheck should also do something about errors
12:03:27	alexande192	so its not just the same as discarding
12:03:46	alexande192	we were supposed to forbid direct discarding eventually
12:03:49	PMunch	Yeah, it raises exceptions raised by the future
12:03:53	FromDiscord	<Rika> uh so how do i 😅
12:03:57	FromDiscord	<Rika> how do i use callSoon
12:04:01	FromDiscord	<Rika> with a Future[T
12:04:11	alexande192	and also forbid waitFor in {.async.}
12:04:33	FromDiscord	<Rika> > forbid waitFor in {.async.}
12:04:33	FromDiscord	<Rika> you'd make the discordnim developer mad LOL /s
12:04:37	PMunch	callSoon takes a proc
12:05:33	alexande192	Rika well i used waitFor in one of my async modules for a long time as well
12:05:43	alexande192	and i think it wasnt a good idea
12:06:12	FromDiscord	<Rika> it definitely isnt, i'm just saying that the discordnim module has a lot of waitFor despite it being "async"
12:06:21	FromDiscord	<Rika> had to change it a lot to fix it up
12:06:35	alexande192	well, thats kinda fault of our stdlib indeed
12:06:45	alexande192	if we dont make it a hard error, people will use it
12:07:02	PMunch	Well waitFor certainly has its uses
12:07:09	PMunch	Mostly to turn async into non-async though
12:07:25	PMunch	I think what async/await really needs is more tutorials and such
12:07:32	alexande192	no PMunch that's not what i mean
12:07:38	alexande192	waitFor is ok *outside* of async
12:07:49	alexande192	but not inside
12:07:50	alexande192	https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/11911
12:07:51	disbot	➥ Make usage of waitFor in {.async.} compile time error
12:08:19	alexande192	basically i need to fix my port of yglukhov's await-as-a-template
12:08:36	PMunch	Aren't there any reason to use it?
12:09:00	alexande192	and then do the waitFor error on top i guess
12:09:24	alexande192	PMunch well, why would you use it inside
12:09:30	PMunch	Rika, what is it actually you're trying to do?
12:09:54	PMunch	alexande192, I dunno, but I guess there is some usecase for it
12:10:23	FromDiscord	<Rika> maybe i'm thinking of this wrongly
12:10:31	PMunch	Probably :P
12:10:33	FromDiscord	<Rika> maybe i do need threading now
12:10:40	FromDiscord	<Rika> argh! threading! what a pain
12:10:44	PMunch	Again, what are you doing?
12:10:57	FromDiscord	<Rika> so i have an event loop watching for events
12:11:21	alexande192	PMunch i think somewhere in the docs they were forbidden
12:11:22	alexande192	also https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/3920
12:11:29	FromDiscord	<Rika> when an event is emitted, i do some stuff (irrelevant) and conditions and when something meets that condition, i make a network request
12:11:30	alexande192	it seems they are forbidden in the nim book
12:11:43	FromDiscord	<Rika> i want to make that network request not interfere with the event loop
12:12:00	alexande192	basically if you can think of a good contra-argument, i'd love it of course
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12:12:15	FromDiscord	<Rika> but i do not know how to determine whether its being interfered with
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12:14:03	PMunch	I mean, it will interfere some
12:14:15	PMunch	That's just the nature of async
12:14:22	FromDiscord	<Rika> i mean that's fine, as long as it aint 100 fuckin milliseconds
12:14:33	alexande192	is the network request slow?
12:14:36	FromDiscord	<Rika> no clue
12:14:47	alexande192	i mean, why is it slowing your whole event loop down?
12:14:57	FromDiscord	<Rika> no clue (2)
12:15:09	PMunch	It seems like you're trying to optimise something without really knowing what is actually slow
12:15:13	alexande192	what i mean is how you profile it
12:15:20	FromDiscord	<Rika> to be totally fuckin honest i have no clue if my code is correct
12:15:27	alexande192	to make sure where is the time spent
12:15:28	FromDiscord	<Rika> PMunch, yes
12:15:39	FromDiscord	<Rika> i dont know if it's slow so i'm just assuming it is
12:15:51	alexande192	well, i guess it might be possible to measure it
12:15:56	FromDiscord	<Rika> but i'd really like to know how to determine it being slow
12:16:23	PMunch	Yeah, before trying to optimise something you should first figure out if there is something to optimise, and what is actually worth optimising
12:16:43	FromDiscord	<Rika> i mean i dont know how i have no clue on how to determine that
12:17:16	PMunch	Well, the easiest is to throw in some timing statements and echo them out
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12:17:44	PMunch	Or use a profiler, but I'm not sure how well they work with Nims async..
12:18:03	alexande192	well you can always just profile the raw event loop calls
12:18:05	PMunch	Since it essentially rewrites everything :P
12:18:31	FromDiscord	<Rika> yeah the loop does stop for a few hundred milliseconds
12:18:38	alexande192	you can figure out whats happening its mostly something like poll (? or something else i forgot) => series of funAsync, funIter etc
12:19:15	alexande192	so you have to see where exactly its stopping
12:19:16	FromDiscord	<Rika> this is gonna drive me insane i swear ;;
12:19:23	alexande192	its possible that you invoke e.g. a blocking syscall
12:19:33	alexande192	which still blocks your async call
12:19:45	alexande192	i wanted to make that detectable somehow as well
12:19:47	PMunch	Rika, what do you mean stop the loop? The loop stops every time something gets executed..
12:20:03	PMunch	Wait, what Nim version do you use?
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12:20:34	alexande192	but its much harder: maybe user-defienable "block cost/functions" primitive annotations
12:21:05	FromDiscord	<Rika> 1.0.6 and i know it stops the loop
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12:21:07	FromDiscord	<Rika> really
12:21:10	FromDiscord	<Rika> im pretty confused now
12:21:19	FromDiscord	<Rika> i dont know what the hell im saying really
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12:21:37	alexande192	do you have a repor
12:21:39	alexande192	repro*
12:21:52	alexande192	it would be easiest to just look at it
12:22:19	FromDiscord	<Rika> no i dont
12:22:30	FromDiscord	<Rika> ill ask another time maybe
12:22:49	PMunch	Of course it stops the loop, again that's how async works..
12:23:04	FromDiscord	<Rika> i know it does i know
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12:23:19	FromDiscord	<Rika> what im saying i think is that it does it for too long
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12:28:41	PMunch	Rika, by the way if you want a sneak peak at my article: http://ix.io/1Xyc/
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12:29:04	PMunch	Err, remove the last slash there to get a readable version..
12:33:24	alexande192	rika well you just have to find out what call happens when it stops
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12:34:33	PMunch	Yeah, add some carefully positioned echos, and possibly some time measurements around in your calls
12:34:56	PMunch	Would be nice if asyncdispatch had a debug mode for this kind of stuff actually
12:40:00	FromDiscord	<Rika> dat formatting tho
12:40:27	FromDiscord	<Rika> PMunch, alexande192, i shall
12:40:36	FromDiscord	<Rika> still being driven insane though
12:40:42	PMunch	Rika, what do you mean?
12:40:57	PMunch	As I said, remove the last / from that link in order to actually get sane formatting
12:41:38	FromDiscord	<Rika> yeah i didnt read that
12:41:40	FromDiscord	<Rika> i did
12:41:45	FromDiscord	<Rika> and i shall take a look
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12:44:19	FromDiscord	<Rika> actually the "formatted" version is still hard to read, ill read this some other time when im not sick perhaps
12:49:45	alexande192	take some rest man
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12:55:19	PMunch	Best way to fix bugs when you are sick, rest and wait until you're healthy :)
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13:39:43	PMunch	Who wrote => in sugar?
13:40:59	FromDiscord	<mratsim> it's old
13:41:02	FromDiscord	<mratsim> older than me
13:41:37	FromDiscord	<mratsim> also now it's quite picky, you now often need to explicitly put the type (since 0.18 iirc)
13:42:02	PMunch	Oh really? That's what I was wondering, how on earth it worked so well :P
13:43:57	FromDiscord	<Rika> `git blame`
13:44:25	PMunch	The module had been renamed
13:44:36	PMunch	But yeah, it turns out that Dominik wrote it back in 2014
13:51:07	disruptek	!last zevv
13:51:08	disbot	Zevv spoke in 12#nim 7 hours ago
13:52:01	PMunch	Oh cool, neat feature!
13:52:05	FromDiscord	<Rika> how many hours ago though
13:52:23	PMunch	Uhm, doesn't that come through Rika?
13:52:39	PMunch	On IRC it says: Zevv spoke in #nim 7 hours ago
13:52:55	disruptek	people on discord or gitter don't get irc color/style formatting because dumb.
13:53:01	PMunch	disruptek, is there a list of features somewhere?
13:53:27	PMunch	Yeah but I thought it just stripped the colours, not removed the whole thing
13:53:29	FromDiscord	<Rika> it shows nothin o'er here
13:53:37	FromDiscord	<Rika> `<disbot> Zevv spoke in #nim hours ago`
13:53:52	disruptek	the only ones not documented in !help are !tune and !last.
13:54:17	disruptek	that's a simple bridge defect, then.
13:54:26	FromGitter	<kaushalmodi> !help
13:54:32	aeverr	!help
13:54:47	FromDiscord	<Rika> help does nothing?
13:54:52	FromDiscord	<Rika> didnt get a PM either
13:55:11	disruptek	yeah, discord/gitter users cannot receive PMs.
13:55:13	FromGitter	<kaushalmodi> I see this on Gitter: "*<disbot>* 9Zevv spoke in #nim 77 hours ago"
13:55:13	disruptek	~notes
13:55:14	disbot	notes: 11https://gist.github.com/disruptek/41100bf20978de9a3cff55b23fcfe44e -- disruptek
13:55:22	disruptek	some docs in there.
13:55:40	disruptek	i guess i will put the help in a footnote.
13:56:05	aeverr	disruptek, i just sent here though (i'm Rika)
13:56:07	FromDiscord	<Rika> aeverr's me
13:56:14	disruptek	!help
13:56:24	disruptek	works for me.
13:56:29	aeverr	!help
13:56:36	aeverr	worked on the second try
13:57:40	disruptek	i guess we should fix the bridges.
13:58:14	disruptek	!last shashlick
13:58:14	disbot	shashlick spoke in 12#nim 9 hours ago
13:58:15	FromDiscord	<Rika> what do you think yardanico's doing hahaha
13:58:40	disruptek	ol' shashlick has some pretty advanced bridging.
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14:03:23	PMunch	aeverr, you had a space before your ! on the first try :)
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14:03:50	PMunch	!last PMunch
14:03:51	disbot	PMunch joined 12#nim 6 hours ago
14:04:05	PMunch	Huh, so if you are here it says when you joined
14:04:06	PMunch	Neat
14:04:38	PMunch	Although a spoke as well would be better
14:04:48	PMunch	!araq
14:04:53	PMunch	!last Araq
14:04:54	disbot	Araq never seen.
14:05:01	PMunch	Uhm..
14:05:15	PMunch	!last dom96
14:05:15	disbot	dom96 never seen.
14:05:23	PMunch	!last disbot
14:05:24	disbot	disbot joined 12#nimsec 10 hours ago and last spoke 710 hours ago
14:05:34	PMunch	(sorry by the way if that pinged you guys..)
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14:10:00	disruptek	!last PMunch
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14:10:05	disruptek	that's a bug.
14:10:48	disruptek	i don't bother tracking people that have no events. but, ar4q should have events.
14:10:56	disruptek	and obviously, you spoke.
14:11:08	disruptek	!last Rika
14:11:08	disbot	Rika spoke in 12#nim 9 hours ago
14:11:18	disruptek	wtf
14:11:48	disruptek	!last disruptek
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14:12:40	PMunch	Hmm, does Nim have some similar convention to how Ruby uses ! for procedures that mutate their input?
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14:13:04	disruptek	not afaik.
14:13:24	disruptek	i guess i will debug this in the morning stream.
14:15:34	disruptek	it's not identifying existing users correctly, which is bizarre.
14:16:42	Araq	PMunch, don't return a value and assume people read the docs
14:17:40	disruptek	i'm an idiot.
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14:20:12	PMunch	Araq, yeah I wanted to have two versions of a proc, one that returned a new version, and one that modified in place
14:20:30	PMunch	Which in ruby would typically be named "replace" and "replace!"
14:20:36	Araq	only provide the inplace version and use 'dup'
14:21:09	PMunch	Dup?
14:21:15	Araq	new in 1.2
14:21:43	PMunch	Ah..
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14:24:30	disruptek	!last pmunch
14:24:31	disbot	PMunch spoke in 12vpn.dualog.com 11 minutes ago
14:24:41	disruptek	lol
14:24:55	PMunch	Haha, wrong field?
14:25:30	disruptek	parser snafu.
14:25:45	disruptek	gah, such a simple feature. so buggy.
14:25:48	disruptek	!last pmunch
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14:27:15	disruptek	i only write this shit late at night, so it's pretty terrible.
14:28:03	PMunch	Haha, an entire project written while half asleep. Don't see how that could ever go wrong :P
14:28:34	disruptek	oh the bot is a mess. but i realized before i implemented this feature that i could use it to demonstrate generics.
14:28:55	disruptek	so i wrote it just like radio and i will refactor them on-stream to explain how that works.
14:29:23	disruptek	radio == tune
14:29:35	PMunch	Aah, I see
14:30:14	disruptek	~news is the #nim-news channel has a Nim news feed of updates to pull requests, issues, and packages.
14:30:14	disbot	news: 11the #nim-news channel has a Nim news feed of updates to pull requests, issues, and packages.
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14:34:01	PMunch	Araq, is there a dup alternative in 1.0?
14:34:09	PMunch	deepCopy?
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14:39:05	PMunch	Ah, for me copyNimTree does the trick
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14:43:47	Araq	PMunch, I'll probably write an compat nimble package so that you can use 'dup' with 1.0
14:47:07	Mister_Magister	!eval import parseutils; parseInt("123")
14:47:09	NimBot	Compile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 28) Error: type mismatch: got <string>
14:47:24	Araq	import strutils instead
14:47:38	Mister_Magister	!eval import strutils; parseInt("123")
14:47:41	NimBot	Compile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 26) Error: expression 'parseInt("123")' is of type 'int' and has to be discarded
14:47:45	Araq	jeezzz, how hard is to follow tutorials or browse our docs
14:47:52	Mister_Magister	Araq: i was!
14:47:57	Mister_Magister	https://nim-lang.org/docs/parseutils.html#parseInt%2Cstring%2Cint%2Cint
14:48:45	Mister_Magister	!eval import strutils; discard replace("123,123", ",", "").parseInt()
14:48:49	NimBot	<no output>
14:48:54	Mister_Magister	hmpf
14:48:56	Araq	the examples all call this proc with more than one argument
14:49:03	Mister_Magister	why is it not working :C
14:49:52	Araq	!eval import strutils; echo replace("123,123", ",", "").parseInt()
14:49:57	NimBot	123123
14:50:24	Mister_Magister	no that's not what i mean
14:51:39	Mister_Magister	!eval import strutils; discard replace("121,738", ",", "").parseInt()
14:51:42	NimBot	<no output>
14:51:45	Mister_Magister	ugh
14:52:17	Mister_Magister	https://paste.opensuse.org/c4c3aa41 it just won't work :C
14:53:31	Mister_Magister	!eval import strutils; discard replace(" 121,738 ", ",", "").parseInt()
14:53:35	NimBot	/usercode/in.nim(1) in↵/playground/nim/lib/pure/strutils.nim(1100) parseInt↵Error: unhandled exception: invalid integer: 121738 [ValueError]
14:53:41	Mister_Magister	ah yes .strip
14:53:58	Araq	use strscans instead
14:54:13	alexande192	hm strange
14:54:21	alexande192	do you try to parse?
14:54:36	alexande192	Araq, good work on `panics`
14:54:37	Mister_Magister	Araq: what do you mean?
14:55:01	alexande192	why not a user defined set of panics though: i think there such an idea: dont remember by whom(disruptek?)
14:55:52	Araq	implementation complexity
14:56:23	Araq	I thought about exposing sysFatal as system.panic and then you can handle these via "recover" but it doesn't really solve the problem
14:56:54	Araq	as in the "recover" you want to use a "raise" and so the backend must assume that every bug can be caught
14:57:22	Araq	the only benfit that we have 'try except' vs 'recover' in the language
14:57:55	Araq	but we can already filter inside 'except' so it's pure sophistry in my book
14:58:15	disruptek	agreed.
14:58:45	disruptek	what about simpifying the implementation thusly:
14:59:05	disruptek	one can add a define to cause the named exception to abort.
15:00:54	Araq	we used to have a "raise hook" for that
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15:04:24	Araq	but nobody ever used it and it introduces composition problems
15:04:54	Araq	say you say "die on ValueError" and then you use a library that uses strutils.`%` and catches the ValueError...
15:06:22	disruptek	i consider that a feature.
15:06:32	disruptek	isn't that the exact semantic that we want?
15:06:56	Araq	in no version of Nim is a ValueError a "Defect"
15:07:15	disruptek	then don't "die on ValueError", silly.
15:07:36	Araq	so it's not the semantic that I want. I only care about Overflows and out-of-memory really
15:08:05	Araq	as they are prevalent
15:08:07	disruptek	then you define what those are and then allow the hook only on that class of exception.
15:08:21	Araq	we already have an outOfMemHook
15:08:55	Araq	but again, inside this hook you might want to raise an exception.
15:09:05	disruptek	okay, so you want to tell status to pound sand.
15:10:21	Araq	--panics:on is a good compromise for me
15:10:32	Araq	I'll see what the others have to say
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15:11:01	disruptek	!rfc panic
15:11:02	disbot	https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/180 -- 3Introduce safety modes
15:11:23	disruptek	ahh
15:13:08	Araq	what we should probably do though is to make 'except:' mean 'except (not Defect)'
15:13:21	Araq	and if you want to catch defects you shall write 'except Defect'
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15:14:32	Araq	and we can produce a warning for 'except Defect' in combination with --panics:on
15:14:52	Araq	as it's meaningless
15:15:01	disruptek	a warning sounds right.
15:15:26	disruptek	is there a scenario where code won't compile with panics:on?
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15:17:31	Araq	no.
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15:18:03	disruptek	cool.
15:18:49	disruptek	does the exception hierarchy change?
15:19:35	Araq	no.
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15:20:14	disruptek	isn't it broken?
15:20:26	Araq	I'll add a warning though for Foo* = object of Exception
15:21:05	disruptek	i guess that works.
15:22:00	disruptek	so `except Exception` magically crashes on Defects.
15:22:05	disruptek	with panics.
15:22:20	Araq	yup
15:22:52	disruptek	sounds great to me.
15:25:20	Araq	I still wonder if panic/recover APIs are not slightly better because more explicit
15:25:31	Araq	but then they wouldn't fix empty 'except' clauses
15:25:51	disruptek	the problem is that different users want different semantics for the same code.
15:26:04	Araq	if I do use 'raise' inside 'recover' then I need to be able to use 'except'
15:26:08	disruptek	that's why i suggested the compiler opts.
15:26:58	Araq	I still want .quirky as a pragma though
15:27:14	disruptek	then someone can just put themselves in a state where they are recovering to have open exception access.
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15:30:34	okcc	if i want to select x11 events, what type should i use in newSelector[T], any help? thks
15:31:04	okcc	i have a x11 display file descriptor which is cint
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15:32:24	okcc	all in one, i just want this c code (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8592292/how-to-quit-the-blocking-of-xlibs-xnextevent) achieve in Nim
15:33:39	shashlick	i use matterbridge for my bridging - what's needed?
15:33:40	disruptek	the type you use is that of your monitor.
15:34:05	disruptek	it's the payload that you pass around.
15:34:07	okcc	now i can only get empty seq from select() https://nim-lang.org/docs/selectors.html#select%2CSelector%5BT%5D%2Cint
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15:35:01	disruptek	there's an example in golden.
15:35:20	disruptek	!repo golden
15:35:21	disbot	https://github.com/disruptek/golden -- 9golden: 11a benchmark for compile-time and/or runtime Nim 🏆 15 16⭐ 0🍴
15:35:28	disruptek	see the src/golden/invoke.nim
15:36:12	FromDiscord	<mratsim> btw you should probably add your inputs here @disruptek: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13617
15:36:15	disbot	➥ new std/timers module for high performance / low overhead timers and benchmarking (formerly system/timers include) ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dY3
15:37:01	disruptek	i don't know anything about benchmarking.
15:37:40	FromDiscord	<mratsim> yeah just like Araq doesn't know anything about compiler or GC 😉
15:38:10	disruptek	seriously, golden is crude as fuck.
15:38:48	disruptek	it just happens that a lot of people want to do async process i/o in the stdlib and that's the definitive example afaik.
15:39:22	okcc	thanks, disruptek, i'm checking it out
15:39:29	disruptek	i really want to finish it, though.
15:41:07	Araq	when the optimizer has to assume every proc can fail at least we can use the mechanism to handle OOM without further overheads
15:41:42	disruptek	okcc: you can ignore the benchmarking crap, but obviously you can't really ignore the selectors stuff. also note that there's a fd leak in the signalling. iirc two workarounds are documented in the code (toggled with a define).
15:42:21	disruptek	but i don't think you have to worry about that with x11 fd.
15:43:13	alexande192	mratsim :)
15:43:31	alexande192	whats happening with your compiler
15:43:40	alexande192	i want to start working on one of my ideas eventually
15:45:31	disruptek	great; that's coincidentally when mratsim's compiler will be ready.
15:46:06	Araq	or mine... :P
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15:47:06	alexande192	disruptek :))
15:49:21	FromDiscord	<mratsim> my compiler has been delayed by cryptography and fighting the absolutely horrible GCC codegen for bigints
15:50:29	FromDiscord	<mratsim> I think I can have a nice elliptic curve crypto lib in Nim in about 3 months, and there is big desire for such.
15:51:49	FromDiscord	<mratsim> when I say big desire, people are working full-time on template metaprogramming/generics in Go (LOL): https://github.com/ConsenSys/goff/blob/master/cmd/internal/template/element/mul.go
15:52:30	FromDiscord	<Recruit_main70007> just use Nim lmao
15:55:21	FromDiscord	<mratsim> I'm using Nim, but somehow, the go compiler is better than GCC for big integer implementation
15:55:31	Yardanico	I wonder why people use AGPL https://github.com/Ethosa/yukiko https://github.com/Ethosa/shizuka :(
15:55:49	Yardanico	AGPL basically makes it impossible to use these libs in the projects which are not open-source (even if they're web apps)
15:57:44	FromDiscord	<Varriount> AGPL is good for actual pieces of software. Not so much for libraries
15:58:00	Yardanico	that's my point as well
15:58:48	FromDiscord	<mratsim> define "actual" 😛
15:59:19	lqdev[m]	@mratsim programs
15:59:45	FromDiscord	<mratsim> all my programs are libraries
16:00:42	lqdev[m]	apps
16:00:47	lqdev[m]	I meant
16:01:09	Yardanico	well I don't really see why would anyone use AGPL for libs unless they're an open-source libre fanatic
16:01:32	Yardanico	it's stricter than GPL
16:04:49	disruptek	i was attracted to it.
16:04:49	lqdev[m]	I can't even think of using the regular GPL for libraries
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16:06:33	alexande192	well it makes sense if you really want to .. not let it be used for commercial purpose
16:06:53	Yardanico	well I talked with Ethosa and told why AGPL is not that good for oss libs :P
16:07:53	alexande192	otherwise i usually use MIT i think, but i can imagine gpl-like stuff being useful
16:24:02	FromDiscord	<mratsim> GPL makes sense if you want to monetize but still be open-source
16:24:29	FromDiscord	<mratsim> even for libraries, it takes time to maintain good libraries
16:24:39	FromDiscord	<mratsim> (thinking of FFMPEG for example)
16:26:08	disruptek	~stream
16:26:09	disbot	stream: 11https://twitch.tv/disruptek (live video/audio) and mumble://uberalles.mumbl.io/ (live voice chat) -- disruptek
16:31:55	Araq	ok, new overflow handling is almost done
16:36:09	FromDiscord	<mratsim> do you use __builtin_add_overflow and __builtin_sadd_overflow?
16:36:54	FromDiscord	<mratsim> or rather __builtin_add_overflow_p / __builtin_sub_overflow_p / __builtin_mul_overflow_p
16:36:58	FromDiscord	<mratsim> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Integer-Overflow-Builtins.html
16:37:52	Araq	yup
16:38:18	Araq	but I don't use inline asm anymore, too much trouble
16:38:34	Araq	VCC doesn't really support it and the others have builtins I can use
16:39:08	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> I've seen a good example on using a procedure while having imported 2 modules that both contain that procedure, does anyone have a link or something, i need a good example, i am trying to show this naming conflict and how to fix it, but what i've done the compiler fixes it by itself...
16:39:21	Yardanico	modulename.procname()
16:39:41	Yardanico	if you import module a and module b which both have the same proc "c" with same arguments, you can call it like a.c() or b.c()
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16:41:31	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i know that, but i am trying to recreate an error while having both imported
16:41:48	Yardanico	if you want to recreate an error, you need to have two procs with the same name AND arguments
16:42:00	Yardanico	from two modules
16:47:14	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Is there any example of when having multiple modules imported, it will simply crash trying to use a same named procedure ? Otherwise i have to explain this by forcing a crash like you said.
16:47:37	disruptek	do so.
16:48:14	Yardanico	@Kiloneie if you mean stdlib - these conflicts are pretty rare, even strutils/unicode was fixed (by adding Ascii to strutils variants)
16:48:27	Yardanico	ah actually
16:48:33	Yardanico	split from strutils/unicode
16:48:46	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i tried strutils and seutils and compiler does the work
16:49:21	Yardanico	I mean this https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dYo
16:49:37	Yardanico	split with no arguments
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16:50:15	FromGitter	<Varriount> Araq: I like the new defects feature
16:50:17	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Perfect thanks. I assume this will be fixed in the future right ?
16:50:20	Yardanico	no, why?
16:50:38	Yardanico	you just have to specify either or exlude split from one of the modules when importing
16:51:10	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i know, i am just asking so i explain this right, so the video holds up.
16:51:28	Yardanico	well I think this is correct behaviour
16:51:34	FromGitter	<Varriount> Araq: panics:on still works with range checks, right?
16:51:52	Araq	range checks are turned into panics then
16:52:46	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Say the ones that have been fixed, wouldn't be fixed when my video aired, and then they would be, which would nullify the explanation if i didn't mention that it could be fixed in the future.
16:53:14	Yardanico	well you're creating videos for nim 1.x right?
16:53:26	Yardanico	even if the proc names will change these version will still be kept in 1.x for backwards compat
16:53:28	Yardanico	so don't worry
16:53:30	FromGitter	<Varriount> Araq: But the panic will always occur? There won't be the chance to read garbage data?
16:53:34	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> right now i am still on 1.0.0
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16:53:49	Araq	Varriount: that depends on --rangeChecks:on/off
16:53:56	Yardanico	code you write for nim 1.0.0 is supposed to work on any future nim 1.x release
16:54:30	FromGitter	<Varriount> Araq: Assuming range checks are on
16:54:36	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Okay good,(i did read some of the debate that came after 1.0, so i wasn't sure)
16:54:55	Yardanico	well I'm not sure i'm 100% correct but I think it works like that :P
16:56:42	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Yeah well it should hold up for a while, and if some X day someone tells me on a video that it's not working, then i will just do a quick edit on that video, or MAYBE even redo it. I have planned redos of several videos anyways once i do get some money to buy better audio gear. #1 will get a big redo, and 2-6 need font changes, which requires a whole redo.
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16:59:08	Araq	Varriount: well then the panic will occur, yes
16:59:36	Araq	Kiloneie: mention that Nim version X can emulate version 1.0 via --useVersion:1.0
17:00:15	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Hmm okay, will do.
17:01:20	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Btw looking at the unicode module, are runes special characters of different languages ?
17:01:29	Yardanico	they're unicode characters
17:01:30	FromDiscord	<Rika> just a unicode character
17:01:33	FromDiscord	<Rika> any character
17:01:42	Yardanico	nim strings are bytes, if you do stringvar[0] you get first byte in the string
17:01:47	FromDiscord	<Rika> be it another language character or ascii
17:01:50	Yardanico	if you want to operate on unicode characters (runes) you need unicode module
17:02:30	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Huh okay, not norse mythology then xD...
17:02:38	Yardanico	lol
17:02:56	FromDiscord	<Rika> lol
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17:12:13	federico3	Yardanico: a lot of components around the activitypub are under AGPL
17:13:42	FromDiscord	<treeform> Does any one know why --d:release in nim.cfg seems to have no effect?
17:13:51	Yardanico	what effect?
17:14:00	Yardanico	when compiling it should say "release build" in the end
17:14:03	FromDiscord	<treeform> same as it does on the command line
17:14:05	Yardanico	if it's applied
17:14:22	leorize	it depends on where you put it
17:14:42	leorize	the code that handle -d:release is in the global system config
17:15:03	leorize	user configs are read later in the process
17:15:27	leorize	so by the time it reads user configs, whatever -d:release resolves to have already been decided
17:15:28	FromDiscord	<treeform> leorize, oh that explain it. Do you know how I make it do what I want?
17:16:46	Araq	inline what the default nim.cfg does for -d:release
17:19:07	FromDiscord	<treeform> So my issue, I am making a game, but it runs to slow without -d:release, I don't think it's nim's stuff thats making it slow. Maybe all I need to do os make the C compiler optimize more.
17:19:35	Yardanico	well you just put -d:release in your project's nim.cfg
17:19:36	lqdev[m]	@treeform --opt:speed?
17:19:52	leorize	Yardanico: that won't work
17:19:52	Yardanico	it should work the same as -d:release in cmdline if you're compiling the same file and that nim.cfg is in the same folder with the code file
17:20:06	Yardanico	leorize: why?
17:20:21	lqdev[m]	because the nim.cfg in the distribution is processed first
17:20:25	lqdev[m]	then the project's nim.cfg
17:20:30	lqdev[m]	so it won't have any effect
17:20:44	lqdev[m]	because -d:release is a thing from the distribution's nim.cfg
17:21:06	Yardanico	ah right I remember it now
17:21:14	Yardanico	sorry
17:21:29	lqdev[m]	@treeform I found that --opt:speed increases speed dramatically, --stacktrace:off even further, but you probably want stacktraces on during development
17:21:55	Yardanico	https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/config/nim.cfg#L72 for -d:release
17:23:31	FromDiscord	<treeform> Thank you Yardanico, leorize, lqdev[m], Araq for helping me with this. I'll try out --opt:speed, I actually do want the nim's development features. I now understand how the config works.
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18:55:58	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Why can't i do the commented out part https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dZ4 , do you need to have the imported module when using the except keyword on it's own line ?
18:56:35	Araq	because except takes a comma separated list of identifiers for itself
18:56:52	Araq	import strutils except split, toLowerAscii # see?
18:57:19	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> ah okay
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19:21:04	clyybber	Araq: Was there a time where nim had no echo?
19:21:25	clyybber	Because I'm seeing `when declared(echo):` in extccomp.nim
19:22:12	Araq	it's a workaround for a NimScript config bug
19:22:23	Araq	where it ended up not having echo, or something.
19:22:52	clyybber	does that bug still exist?
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19:30:09	Araq	I doubt it
19:30:19	Araq	if it does, the CI will notice
19:31:16	clyybber	Ok
19:31:46	clyybber	Araq: Another thing, should an explicit --hint:CC:on for example override --verbosity:0 ?
19:33:54	Araq	oh who cares
19:34:48	clyybber	I dunno, I just wonder what is intended
19:34:55	clyybber	so I can write the code accordingly :p
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19:37:35	shashlick	Yay nimterop newalgo is now in head so I can develop in parallel!
19:37:40	shashlick	Feature flags ftw
19:38:24	silvernode	just added a bunch of prototype code to space nim, those of you who are part of the project, I will be online around 0600 UTC for around an hour to work on it some more if anyone will be awake then.
19:38:33	silvernode	Until then goodnight
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19:52:14	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> I can't figure this out: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dZJ
19:53:01	FromGitter	<kaushalmodi> Kiloneie: A char is only 8 bits
19:53:17	FromGitter	<kaushalmodi> so ž probably fit in a char. It probably needs to be a string
19:53:34	Yardanico	@Kiloneie as kaushalmodi said, nim "char" type is only for ASCII characters (because one ascii character = 1 byte)
19:53:44	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i commented out the string version though...
19:53:47	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> also errors..
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19:55:20	Yardanico	@Kiloneie the one with echo is erroring because unicode split accepts a Rune or sequence of runes, not a string
19:56:28	FromGitter	<kaushalmodi> Kiloneie: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dZN
19:57:38	FromGitter	<timotheecour> @Clyybber are you here? just PM’d you
19:58:00	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> huh, thanks, i didn't know how to make a rune, didn't think there was a proc for that
19:58:16	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> should of looked better D:
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19:58:47	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> this video is getting split into 2 parts... i didn't expect this much complexity
20:01:34	FromGitter	<kaushalmodi> now what's confusing me is that `echo "Hello Worldž!".split("ž".toRunes)` works.. but
20:01:50	FromGitter	<kaushalmodi> this doesn't: `echo "Hello Worldž!".split("ž".runeAt(0))`
20:02:27	FromGitter	<kaushalmodi> ^^ see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dZP
20:04:21	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> yeah... no idea either, it works and then it doesn't
20:05:15	FromGitter	<kaushalmodi> use Rune splitter doesn't work.. but using seq[Rune] splitter works
20:06:21	dwdv	Curious about another niche feature: do we have something similar to dlang's opDispatch which get's called with the function name as a template string when it can't find any valid dispatch? This allows glsl-like swizzling for example: https://github.com/d-gamedev-team/gfm/blob/master/math/gfm/math/vector.d#L240
20:06:32	dwdv	gets*
20:06:53	Yardanico	there's `.` operator which is a bit similar
20:07:08	Yardanico	https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual_experimental.html#special-operators-dot-operators
20:07:15	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> no it works
20:07:17	Araq	yeah, but don't use it, it's bad. so is opDispatch btw
20:07:42	dwdv	Fite me on opDispatch!
20:07:52	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> @kaushalmodi echo "Hello Worldž!".split("ž".runeAt(0)) works, try to comment it out
20:08:14	FromGitter	<Clyybber> @timotheecour answered
20:08:25	dwdv	Thanks for the link, Yardanico!
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20:13:38	FromGitter	<kaushalmodi> Kiloneie: This fails for me, on devel too: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dZT
20:16:25	FromGitter	<kaushalmodi> Kiloneie: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/13628
20:16:27	disbot	➥ unicode.split does not work when using a Rune separator ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dZU
20:16:40	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> yeah it fails
20:17:36	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> if you use runeAt(1) is weird
20:17:48	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> both ž and ! is gone
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20:32:18	disruptek	Araq: aws api signing broken again on devel.
20:32:38	Araq	with ARC?
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20:33:30	disruptek	yeah.
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20:40:06	disruptek	~stream
20:40:07	disbot	stream: 11https://twitch.tv/disruptek (live video/audio) and mumble://uberalles.mumbl.io/ (live voice chat) -- disruptek
20:42:48	disruptek	https://travis-ci.org/github/disruptek/sigv4/jobs/661254990
20:42:53	disruptek	aws signing ^
20:45:28	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Has anyone implemented this: https://github.com/lemire/fast_double_parser
20:45:31	FromDiscord	<Varriount> ?
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21:28:23	clyybber	Araq: I rebased https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13606, it should be ready to merge once its green
21:28:24	disbot	➥ Make listCmd honor hint:cc:off
21:34:33	*	Araq sighs
21:34:51	Araq	so C++ decided to tell my 255 cannot fit into a 'char'
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21:35:36	Araq	how many centuries do we have to wait for C to understand what a byte is? and how on earth is this a "portable assembler".
21:35:58	Araq	every assembler I ever used understands what a byte is
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21:36:44	Araq	and before you say "yeah well use 'unsigned char' "
21:37:36	Araq	how do I create string literals of unsigned chars conveniently? is (unsigned char*)"hello\0" guaranteed to compile?
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21:41:11	FromDiscord	<exelotl> is there a way to do superscript/subscript in restructuredtext?
21:41:50	Araq	yes, `text`:sup: iirc
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22:01:33	FromDiscord	<exelotl> oh cool that works, thanks
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22:16:32	FromGitter	<timotheecour> @araq is there anything else blocking https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13351 ?
22:16:35	disbot	➥ stacktraces can now show custom runtime msgs per frame ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2e0u
22:17:43	Araq	I don't know but I also don't like the feature
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22:17:55	FromGitter	<timotheecour> Why ?
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22:21:39	Araq	more code we have to maintain, yet another feature, unclear how it can work for an LLVM backend
22:29:14	FromGitter	<timotheecour> 1) it’s super useful for debugging a program, making stacktraces a whole lot more useful and user-customizable (without compiler/stdlib support needed once this PR is merged); whether debugging compiler or debugging a user program; ⏎ 2) it’s in particular incredibly useful when your program parses another source (eg for parsers, compilers, etc) as it shows where you are both in parser as well as what’s
22:29:14	FromGitter	... being parsed ⏎ 3) other use cases are showing more user-customizable context when an exception is thrown ⏎ 4) llvm backend: not sure why this would introduce any complication, i’m not relying on OS-specific stacktrace mechanisms here; in any case, the feature is entirely opt-in [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5e69663a47b42479253f82f5]
22:31:28	Araq	how is 'var frameMsgBuf* {.threadvar.}: string' entirely opt-in?
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22:32:53	Araq	instead why not set the existing 'procname' to something else
22:33:02	Araq	extra points if it can stay a 'cstring'
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22:34:17	FromGitter	<timotheecour> I can add a `—stacktracemsgs:on/off`
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22:36:17	FromGitter	<timotheecour> > instead why not set the existing 'procname' to something else ⏎ ⏎ I have follow up work after this PR that makes `—stacktrace:on` faster for everyone and removes all these; it works; I can show the WIP if needed.
22:36:57	Araq	how does it work?
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22:37:13	Araq	(and now don't say "it works well" :P )
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22:38:08	FromGitter	<timotheecour> let me open that WIP PR (it’s entirely compatible with nim-lang/Nim#13351 )
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22:46:41	FromGitter	<timotheecour> I’ve opened the WIP here https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13630 but *I recommend only looking at it if you’re curious how it works, it’s not cleaned up*; and yes it does work (at least at some intermediate commits); there are 2 parts (that could be split in 2 PRS): ⏎ ⏎ 1) 1st speedup: get rid of `TFrame` stack allocated data at beginning of each function, and get rid of linked list of PFrames;
22:46:41	FromGitter	... instead I simply use a single threadvar “index” into a UncheckedArray of TFrame that’s re-alloc’d as needed; it gives a nice 2X speedup in many cases ⏎ 2) 2nd speedup on top of it (still WIP but works): replace file/line/col/procname by a single index; this has implications for other uses cases (eg nimprof) making exception handl ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5e696a5195b8ff0bbfad1c84]
22:46:42	disbot	➥ Faster --stacktrace:on
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22:48:50	FromGitter	<timotheecour> > anyhow, can you make it a 'cstring'? constants are fine and with a little care you can ensure the string is from a buffer that is not freed to early ⏎ ⏎ let me try and get back to you; r u ok if i use `c_realloc`?
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22:51:23	Araq	depends, the memory management shouldn't be done in system.nim
22:51:32	Araq	but instead the user of the API should do it
22:51:52	Araq	I think it's an acceptable tradeoff, special apis need special care
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22:52:38	FromGitter	<Clyybber> @timotheecour How does replacing file/line/col/procname by a single index?
22:52:52	FromGitter	<Clyybber> Do you mean to store file/line/col/procname in an array?
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23:14:16	FromGitter	<timotheecour> in final version of that PR, i will encode in a single `int` what’s sufficient to reconstruct (file/line/col/procname / optional other data) in a compact way; ⏎ `Index: int = (fileIndex bits + procIndex bits + remaining bits for line/col)` (skipping some details)
23:17:10	FromGitter	<timotheecour> so that throwing exceptions (or collecting tons of stacktraces, eg in nimprof) incurs zero symbolization cost; the symbolization can be deferred to when it’s actually needed unlike what’s currently done in nim
23:18:14	Araq	sounds good. now if only I could draw your attention to ARC or IC or Z3 ;-)
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23:19:00	Araq	Clyybber: are you aware of my branch?
23:19:12	Araq	I implemented it but the regressions are *hard*
23:19:27	clyybber	Yeah, I'm looking at it rn
23:19:32	Araq	anyhow, https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13626 is really getting good
23:19:33	disbot	➥ catchable defects
23:20:12	clyybber	nice
23:20:12	Araq	faster overflow handling and goto-based exception handling can deal with AssertError
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23:20:22	clyybber	Araq: How did you improve the overflow handling?
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23:20:31	Araq	read the PR
23:20:34	clyybber	k
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23:23:10	clyybber	oh so we use builtins
23:23:13	clyybber	nice!
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23:33:52	Araq	disruptek, https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13626/files#diff-e2da3621d8e2ee26a311f04b51a21322R11 lying comment!
23:33:52	disbot	➥ catchable defects
23:39:01	clyybber	heh
23:39:15	clyybber	good night
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23:49:45	Araq	timotheecour: are you sure the growable array is better than our linked list?
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23:50:05	Araq	maybe the speedup comes from the fewer stores entirely
23:50:34	Araq	(you turn the (cstring, int) store into an (int) store afaict)