<< 11-11-2020 >>
00:00:39FromDiscord<shadow.> i am moving to discord lol
00:00:43*shadowninja55 quit (Quit: Connection closed)
00:01:00FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Fuck that shadowninja55 guy amirite?
00:01:03FromGitter<gogolxdong> ^[^#].* in vscode got correct result , but using re/rex findAll doesn't find anything. anything missing?
00:01:06FromDiscord<shadow.> dude yeah he sucks
00:01:11FromDiscord<shadow.> idk who tf he thought he was
00:02:35FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> If vscode doesnt using pcre regex it isnt a great place to test
00:02:55FromDiscord<Rika> i'm considering making a pure nim ver. of homebridge because i have nothing to do
00:03:14FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> What's it
00:03:25FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Is it IOT shit?
00:03:31FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Do i have to scream?!
00:03:41FromDiscord<Rika> smh
00:04:09FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> No, no go do it, i'll just be in the corner screaming
00:04:28FromDiscord<shadow.> beautiful code
00:04:28FromDiscord<shadow.> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DIn
00:04:29FromDiscord<shadow.> LMAO
00:04:45FromDiscord<Rika> > No, no go do it, i'll just be in the corner screaming↵ill make sure you'll scream louder because of the code
00:04:54FromDiscord<shadow.> nobody can beat how bad my code is
00:05:04FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> It's fine, minus the hardcoded stuff
00:05:20FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> make a bitmap object and have a serialize proc, god damn it
00:05:24FromDiscord<Rika> yummy yummy magic numbers
00:05:33FromDiscord<shadow.> hmmm
00:05:41FromDiscord<shadow.> no
00:05:45FromDiscord<shadow.> i think not
00:05:53FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Rika, my development today was making macros for embedding nimscript in moe, so i'm already screaming
00:06:00FromDiscord<Rika> good
00:06:07FromDiscord<shadow.> its better than me having to make the nim file.write() function in c++
00:06:10FromDiscord<shadow.> LMAO
00:06:11FromDiscord<shadow.> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DIo
00:06:23FromDiscord<Rika> ugh c++
00:06:25FromDiscord<shadow.> disgusting
00:06:38FromDiscord<shadow.> /s
00:06:51FromDiscord<Rika> /?
00:06:53FromDiscord<shadow.> idk i prefer nim now honestly bc i use to use c++ for speed and distribution but nim does both of those things fine
00:06:54FromDiscord<Rika> /s?
00:06:59FromDiscord<Rika> no way youre sarcastic
00:07:11FromDiscord<shadow.> i mean there are some nice parts of c++
00:07:18FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> A lot of people like the readabillity of Nim, so it's not a difference of opinion
00:07:22FromDiscord<Rika> eeh...
00:07:25FromDiscord<shadow.> fair
00:07:27FromDiscord<shadow.> yeah nim is pretty nice
00:07:39FromDiscord<shadow.> it's basically python's syntax but (imo) more readable bc of function typing
00:07:43FromDiscord<shadow.> (edit) "function" => "proc"
00:07:48FromDiscord<Rika> python has typing too
00:07:51FromDiscord<Rika> but only optional lol
00:07:56FromDiscord<Rika> so basically no one uses it
00:07:56FromDiscord<shadow.> not enforced ye
00:08:01FromDiscord<shadow.> so gl finding anyone that uses it lmaoo
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00:08:05FromDiscord<Rika> i did
00:08:13FromDiscord<Rika> but no one else really does lmao
00:08:18FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Speaking of, gdscript is wanting to add annotations and the like, so they're... really just making an interpreted nim
00:08:20FromDiscord<Rika> ig those at google maybe
00:08:31FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> They also added optional typing
00:08:44FromDiscord<Rika> all in or nothing smh
00:08:48FromDiscord<Rika> optional is not an option!
00:08:52FromDiscord<shadow.> i think im a bit stupid but what is nimscript?
00:08:54FromDiscord<shadow.> LMAO
00:08:54FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I agree
00:08:59FromDiscord<shadow.> im very new to nim if you cant already tell
00:09:02FromDiscord<Rika> nimscript is nim but a script
00:09:03FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Nimscript is the interpreted version of nim
00:09:07FromDiscord<shadow.> interpreted?
00:09:12FromDiscord<shadow.> how does it compare to compiled nim
00:09:13FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Nim has a VM which can run code that's not compiled
00:09:14FromDiscord<Rika> yes nim has its own VM
00:09:22FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Actually how it compiles code
00:09:24FromDiscord<Rika> its whats used when you use a macro
00:09:34FromDiscord<shadow.> can you use nimscript in a shell type environment?
00:09:36FromGitter<gogolxdong> remembered vscodes uses PCRE, has it been upgraded to PCRE2?
00:09:36FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yes
00:09:39FromDiscord<shadow.> like you can with py, ruby, julia, node etc
00:09:42FromDiscord<shadow.> damn thats cool
00:09:43FromDiscord<nikki> the compile-time logic you can write in nim itself (nim's version of constexpr) needs to be eval'd somehow in the compiler. that's the nim vm
00:09:44FromDiscord<Rika> pcre has a 2?
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00:09:59FromDiscord<Rika> `nim e` is how to eval a nimscript
00:10:04FromDiscord<nikki> or at least, that's where it came from
00:10:05FromDiscord<Rika> on the cli i mean
00:10:05FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I've made a relatively easy to use interop so you can use nimscript to control nim compiled code
00:10:15FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> And it's glorious! 😛
00:10:15FromDiscord<nikki> but could go anywhere, as beef is exploring 😉
00:10:16FromDiscord<shadow.> do streams close once out of scope or do i have to manually close them before proc return
00:10:32FromDiscord<nikki> arc makes it deterministic
00:10:34FromDiscord<Rika> manually for now afaik?, in the future automatically
00:10:39FromDiscord<shadow.> ah ok
00:10:45FromDiscord<nikki> the destruction at least. i forget if they close on destruct
00:10:49FromDiscord<nikki> are you a c++head?
00:10:53FromDiscord<shadow.> python / c++
00:10:56FromDiscord<shadow.> ik thats an oxymoron
00:10:56FromDiscord<shadow.> LMAO
00:11:09FromDiscord<shadow.> python is what i started with, c++ is what ive come to enjoy
00:11:14FromDiscord<nikki> i dove into the nuskool c++ stuff for a lil recently
00:11:17FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I overly like how silly this commit was
00:11:20FromDiscord<nikki> there's a lot of overlap with nim
00:11:21FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> <https://github.com/beef331/moe/commit/c93c5af5b8e93dc193f130fd005078c32b9309f0>
00:11:23FromDiscord<shadow.> ye
00:11:28FromDiscord<nikki> esp w/ move semantics and arc
00:11:33FromDiscord<Rika> i started with python and moved on to nim
00:11:34FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Replacing 400 lines of code with like 10
00:11:38FromDiscord<nikki> i think a big deal is that you can also just metaprogram in the same lang
00:11:52FromDiscord<nikki> also the value type ness by default is a huge overlap
00:11:54FromDiscord<shadow.> nim is cool i just wish it had a sponsor / financial backing so it could grow more
00:12:00FromDiscord<nikki> eg. that's a departure from java and python
00:12:00FromDiscord<Rika> > Replacing 400 lines of code with like 10↵doesnt sound that silly imo
00:12:11FromDiscord<nikki> @shadow. hmm it goes both ways
00:12:18FromDiscord<shadow.> i mean with more packages and support i feel like nim could easily grow past python
00:12:19FromDiscord<nikki> i like that it's growing on its own
00:12:23FromDiscord<shadow.> just bc its as simple but much faster
00:12:30FromDiscord<shadow.> and has advantages that come w compiled languages
00:12:31FromDiscord<shadow.> and static typing
00:12:33FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well it's silly in that it's a relatively simple code block that replaces a shit ton of copy pasta, but i was just too tired at the time of originally doing it to use it
00:12:35FromDiscord<shadow.> but thats up to opinion i suppose
00:12:46FromDiscord<nikki> well that also make evolution hardse
00:12:49FromDiscord<nikki> harder
00:12:51FromDiscord<shadow.> also is profanity allowed, bc if so id like to introduce an amazing github license
00:13:02FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Sure as fucking shit it is
00:13:02FromDiscord<Rika> there was this f# dude who hated the type annotations
00:13:08FromDiscord<shadow.> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/2DIq
00:13:10FromDiscord<shadow.> ❤️
00:13:10FromDiscord<Rika> ah this license
00:13:11FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea we've all seen it
00:13:12FromDiscord<shadow.> yes
00:13:15FromDiscord<Rika> i never use it
00:13:16FromDiscord<shadow.> damn
00:13:19FromDiscord<shadow.> mit?
00:13:19FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I just use MIT
00:13:21FromDiscord<shadow.> rip
00:13:27FromDiscord<Rika> unlicense sometimes
00:13:34FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Attribution is all i ask for
00:13:34FromDiscord<nikki> when do licenses apply
00:13:45FromDiscord<nikki> it just depends on the interop with license at site of use right
00:13:46FromDiscord<Rika> its on the license usually
00:14:02FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea fully depends on the license
00:14:05FromDiscord<shadow.> is there any good way to iterate a seq backwards
00:14:10FromDiscord<shadow.> or should i just use a countdown index
00:14:22FromDiscord<nikki> countdown is the good way
00:14:25FromDiscord<shadow.> f
00:14:32FromDiscord<shadow.> i mean i could make a reverse iterator but eh
00:14:38FromDiscord<nikki> personal opinion stuff tho
00:14:42FromDiscord<Rika> https://nim-lang.org/docs/algorithm.html#reverse%2CopenArray%5BT%5D ?
00:14:49FromDiscord<nikki> cuz you can build any sort of abstraction and make it look different
00:14:57FromDiscord<shadow.> oh algorithm
00:14:58FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> You could use sequtils and algorithim to do ↵`for x in toSeq(theSeq.items).reverse` 😄
00:15:15FromDiscord<nikki> if you're down to copy the whole thing
00:15:17FromDiscord<Rika> inefficient w
00:15:25FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well of course
00:15:30FromDiscord<shadow.> yeah id like to avoid copying
00:15:32FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Just make the reverseItems iterator
00:15:33FromDiscord<shadow.> i just wanted an iterator lol
00:15:34FromDiscord<Rika> also you use reversed for that and not reverse
00:15:49FromDiscord<nikki> so yeah you can make your own abstraction, as indicates
00:15:50FromDiscord<shadow.> something like c++'s
00:15:53FromDiscord<nikki> (edit) "indicates" => "indicated"
00:15:55FromDiscord<shadow.> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DIr
00:16:00FromDiscord<shadow.> lol
00:16:11FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Like i said i often suggest usable but silly implementations
00:16:12FromDiscord<shadow.> to be fair c++ begin and end iterators kinda suck so i dont miss them
00:16:13FromDiscord<nikki> yeah this is where the opinion comes in. to me i just want to see the numeric loop at this point
00:16:19FromDiscord<shadow.> rip i prefer range based loops
00:16:23FromDiscord<shadow.> or idk what the term is
00:16:24FromDiscord<shadow.> lmao
00:16:33FromDiscord<nikki> ime composability of stream abstractions makes code hardwer to read for me
00:16:36FromDiscord<shadow.> rip
00:17:06FromDiscord<Rika> idk ive liked how nim does for loops
00:17:07FromDiscord<shadow.> ig reversed() works for my purposes lol
00:17:10FromDiscord<shadow.> yes they're cool
00:17:12FromDiscord<shadow.> similar to rust lol
00:17:18FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Iterators for loops is just nice
00:17:20FromDiscord<Rika> wtf
00:17:21FromDiscord<Rika> dude
00:17:25FromDiscord<shadow.> what?
00:17:26FromDiscord<Rika> dont say the forbidden words
00:17:30FromDiscord<shadow.> rust?
00:17:30FromDiscord<Rika> rt
00:17:32FromDiscord<shadow.> go?
00:17:35FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> V
00:17:38FromDiscord<shadow.> LOL
00:17:53FromDiscord<shadow.> is memory safety not allowed
00:17:55FromDiscord<shadow.> smh
00:18:09FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Nah we got `lent` and `sink` so we're rust now
00:18:13FromDiscord<shadow.> LMAO
00:18:16FromDiscord<nikki> tfw rust means mem safety isn't allowed anywhere else
00:18:18FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Where is our github issue "Are we rust yet?"
00:18:25FromDiscord<shadow.> time to go buy ownership of my variable at the store
00:18:25FromDiscord<Rika> nah its just tiring to keep on hearing aoout how rt is so much better omg!!!
00:18:34FromDiscord<shadow.> lol im not a rust fan
00:18:38FromDiscord<Rika> i know
00:18:38FromDiscord<shadow.> i like it but for me its too strict
00:18:42FromDiscord<Rika> dont worry
00:18:44FromDiscord<nikki> yeah ae can tell
00:18:50FromDiscord<shadow.> f
00:19:05FromDiscord<Rika> are you saying it would be better if we couldnt tell?
00:19:12FromDiscord<nikki> yo whatcha tryna code in nim
00:19:16FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> If you're here instead of inside rust's server it's pretty clear you arent that interested in rust 😛
00:19:20FromDiscord<shadow.> LMAO
00:19:23FromDiscord<nikki> game stuff, web stuff, net stuff, ...
00:19:28FromDiscord<shadow.> who me?
00:19:33FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> No the door
00:19:39FromDiscord<Rika> beef how do YOU know hes not in the rust server
00:19:41FromDiscord<shadow.> i wanna try a discord bot and maybe a website backend
00:19:48FromDiscord<Rika> are YOU in the rust server HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
00:19:48FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Are they presently talking there rika?
00:19:51FromDiscord<shadow.> lmfao
00:19:53FromDiscord<shadow.> HMMMMM
00:19:55FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Nah i have a spy in here from rust
00:19:56FromDiscord<shadow.> dont say the r word
00:20:01FromDiscord<shadow.> ugh
00:20:03FromDiscord<Rika> sorry, rt
00:20:08FromDiscord<nikki> import rst
00:20:13FromDiscord<nikki> already exists in nim
00:20:14FromDiscord<nikki> next
00:20:14FromDiscord<shadow.> also how would you guys simplify this if else lmoa
00:20:20FromDiscord<shadow.> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DIs
00:20:21FromDiscord<Rika> christ
00:20:23FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> There is a rellfy feller in here who doesnt like Nim, but is in here for whatever reason
00:20:24FromDiscord<Rika> what the hell
00:20:24FromDiscord<shadow.> i dont think having an if statement checked every iteratio nof the loop
00:20:27FromDiscord<shadow.> is a good idea
00:20:32FromDiscord<shadow.> (edit) "iteratio nof" => "iteration of"
00:20:39FromDiscord<shadow.> but idk how else to cut out the padding thing
00:20:45FromDiscord<shadow.> i mean what happens if you try to write an empty list?
00:20:46FromDiscord<shadow.> lmfao
00:20:58FromDiscord<Rika> cant you put the reversed for loop outside the condition
00:21:02FromDiscord<Rika> and then remove the else
00:21:09FromDiscord<Rika> oh
00:21:11FromDiscord<Rika> misread
00:21:15FromDiscord<shadow.> well then wouldnt i have to put an if over every iteration of the padWidth loop
00:21:17FromDiscord<Rika> damn it its like 9 am
00:21:21FromDiscord<shadow.> which is (inefficient?)
00:21:32FromDiscord<Rika> im not supposed to be reading code this early in the morning
00:21:35FromDiscord<shadow.> yikes
00:21:51FromDiscord<Rika> eh
00:21:55FromDiscord<Rika> this looks good enough to me
00:21:56FromDiscord<nikki> make padWidth zero
00:21:58FromDiscord<nikki> for the else branch
00:21:59FromDiscord<Rika> also smh 4 width index
00:22:01FromDiscord<Rika> i mean
00:22:03FromDiscord<Rika> indent
00:22:03FromDiscord<nikki> and just have the same branch
00:22:16FromDiscord<nikki> so eg if padWidt > 4: padWidth = 0
00:22:27FromDiscord<shadow.> oh shit yeah you're right
00:22:30FromDiscord<shadow.> bc im using a for loop
00:22:31FromDiscord<shadow.> ty
00:22:43FromDiscord<shadow.> oh right what happens when you do for i in 1..1 lmao
00:22:49FromDiscord<nikki> try it
00:22:53FromDiscord<shadow.> smart
00:22:56FromDiscord<Rika> nothing
00:22:56FromDiscord<shadow.> :BigBrain:
00:22:59FromDiscord<Rika> i is 1
00:23:03FromDiscord<Rika> then no loop happens
00:23:07FromDiscord<nikki> i think 1 iter
00:23:10FromDiscord<Rika> i mean
00:23:11FromDiscord<nikki> cuz not 1..<1
00:23:12FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> 1..1 is inclusive
00:23:12FromDiscord<Rika> no looping
00:23:18FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> so it does it once
00:23:20FromDiscord<nikki> u get 1 iter with 1
00:23:20FromDiscord<shadow.> oh ok
00:23:24FromDiscord<Rika> it runs but it doesnt loop
00:23:27FromDiscord<Rika> :facepalm1:
00:23:33FromDiscord<shadow.> fr?
00:23:37FromDiscord<shadow.> that doesnt seem right
00:23:41FromDiscord<nikki> thats why try it
00:23:43FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> it's inclusive so it runs once
00:23:45FromDiscord<shadow.> alr lemme try it
00:23:46FromDiscord<Rika> !eval for i in 1..1: echo i
00:23:48FromDiscord<nikki> this is one of those things the compiler answers better
00:23:49NimBot1
00:23:55FromDiscord<nikki> jep
00:23:59FromDiscord<shadow.> f
00:24:05FromDiscord<Rika> i dont see how this is wrong
00:24:05FromDiscord<shadow.> i did not know there was an eval bot
00:24:07FromDiscord<shadow.> does that use nimscript?
00:24:07FromDiscord<nikki> nim is good at responding
00:24:10FromDiscord<Rika> no
00:24:11FromDiscord<nikki> to ur questions imo
00:24:15FromDiscord<nikki> when exploring
00:24:18FromDiscord<shadow.> oh true
00:24:23FromDiscord<Rika> it compiles the code
00:24:24FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> It's just easier to ask nim then asking us typically
00:24:35FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval cast[array[3, byte]](0)
00:24:37NimBotCompile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 1) Error: expression 'cast[array[3, byte]](0)' is of type 'array[0..2, byte]' and has to be used (or discarded)
00:24:41FromDiscord<Rika> you have to echo it
00:24:42FromDiscord<Rika> lol
00:24:42FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Got the evalbot, the playground, inim, your compiler
00:24:45FromDiscord<shadow.> f
00:24:49FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval echo cast[array[3, byte]](0)
00:24:49FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Got many way to answer
00:24:51NimBot[0, 0, 0]
00:24:55FromDiscord<shadow.> oh smart
00:24:58FromDiscord<shadow.> ty
00:25:01FromDiscord<shadow.> i didnt know it existed lmao
00:25:07FromDiscord<shadow.> ( the bot )
00:25:09mipriwhat you want to do is cast a ptr int to a ptr array[4, byte], and then move those bytes to fit into your 3-byte array
00:25:49FromDiscord<Rika> !eval echo cast[array[3, byte]](12)
00:25:50FromDiscord<shadow.> wait i solved it dw i was just testing the bot lol
00:25:51NimBot[12, 0, 0]
00:25:59FromDiscord<nikki> gotta afk this was fun
00:26:19FromDiscord<shadow.> time to go post my amazing bitmap library def not hardcoded 🚪🏃‍♀️
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00:29:55miprihttps://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DIv
00:30:56FromDiscord<shadow.> whats that for
00:31:08FromDiscord<shadow.> lol
00:31:13FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> a better way to get the int24
00:31:16FromDiscord<shadow.> ahh smart
00:31:27FromDiscord<shadow.> i just did a single cast lol
00:31:33FromDiscord<shadow.> prolly shoulda put more effort into it but
00:31:38FromDiscord<shadow.> im too lazy :))
00:32:13FromDiscord<shadow.> im glad i found this server bc there isnt that much on nim online at least for certain aspects
00:32:16FromDiscord<shadow.> and i havent met many ppl that use it
00:32:22FromDiscord<shadow.> but its cool to talk w other ppl that like it lol
00:32:26FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> "many" is an understatmenet
00:32:27FromDiscord<shadow.> bc i find it very unique and east to use
00:32:37FromDiscord<shadow.> yeahh
00:32:42FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> It'
00:32:45FromDiscord<shadow.> im trying to bug all my friends to try it lmaoo
00:32:49FromDiscord<shadow.> (edit) "east" => "easy"
00:32:54FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> (edit) "It'" => "It's an obscure langauage so it's userbase is like -10 sadly"
00:33:06FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> As i have done, actually got my robotic friends interested in it
00:33:29FromDiscord<shadow.> idk for me it was interesting bc it was super easy to program in but it benchmarked at the same level as c++ and rt
00:33:42FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yes i have friends that are robots, i'm not the most friendly person 😄
00:33:55FromDiscord<shadow.> and my main complaints of compiled statically-typed languages is readability and simplicity lol
00:33:57FromDiscord<shadow.> rip asf
00:34:38FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I mean C# doesnt really suffer from readablillity, but once you get to system programming languages such as Rust/C++ it certainly gets annoying to read
00:34:46FromDiscord<shadow.> well yeah c# isnt that bad
00:35:10FromDiscord<notchris> hey all im using a nim wrapper for the raylib library, for ui. i can get it to work and i was able to build the dylib (since im on osx)
00:35:23FromDiscord<notchris> but im trying to build the raygui extension https://github.com/raysan5/raygui
00:35:29FromDiscord<notchris> and i cant seem to figure out how to build the dylib
00:35:32FromDiscord<notchris> or if thats possible?
00:35:34FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I laugh at Rt's `let mut` as it just seems overly redundant imo 😄
00:35:53FromDiscord<shadow.> lmfao fax
00:36:03FromDiscord<shadow.> immutable as default is kinda weird imo
00:36:08FromDiscord<shadow.> i like how nim does it with `let`
00:36:19FromDiscord<Rika> im fine with immutable as default
00:36:26FromDiscord<shadow.> `let` is honestly a very cool thing i havent seen much lmao
00:36:27FromDiscord<shadow.> processed immutables
00:36:29FromDiscord<shadow.> instead of just constants
00:36:32FromDiscord<Rika> though nim doesnt technically default to it for variables at lesat
00:36:35FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> well as am i, but just use `let` and `mut`, cmon it does the same
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00:36:40FromDiscord<shadow.> ye
00:36:50FromDiscord<notchris> I tried to compile it with make, but im new to compilation sort of
00:37:16FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Is there a flag or something to say you want to build raylib with the gui support?
00:37:43FromDiscord<notchris> Well there is a cask that seems to be building it with params, but i actually could find if with GUI was one of them
00:37:54FromDiscord<notchris> i went through its build steps
00:38:14FromDiscord<notchris> https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/master/Formula/raylib.rb
00:38:28FromDiscord<notchris> (edit) "Well there is a cask that seems to be building it with params, but i actually could ... find" added "not"
00:39:30FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> did you look at the examples make file?
00:41:09FromDiscord<notchris> @ElegantBeef yes but i cant find any reference https://github.com/raysan5/raylib/blob/master/examples/Makefile
00:41:32FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea i'm uncertain how to build it, so... have fun 😄
00:41:51FromDiscord<notchris> Haha, oh jeez, ill do my best 🙂
00:45:13FromDiscord<shadow.> ripp
00:49:45FromDiscord<shadow.> whats the best channel to use the bot in lol
00:49:48FromDiscord<shadow.> is there a testing channel?
00:50:25FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval echo cast[array[3, byte]](0xffffff)
00:50:28NimBot[255, 255, 255]
00:50:35FromDiscord<shadow.> damn that is quite cool
00:50:53FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval echo cast[array[3, byte]](0x00aaff)
00:50:57NimBot[255, 170, 0]
00:51:04FromDiscord<shadow.> ahh
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01:01:24FromDiscord<nikki> @notchris i may be able to help you with this one of these days
01:01:50FromDiscord<notchris> ooo
01:01:54FromDiscord<notchris> TY @nikki
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01:25:23FromDiscord<shadow.> can you eval multiple lines with the bot?
01:25:35FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval var x = 5↵echo x
01:25:37NimBotCompile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 10) Error: invalid token: no whitespace between number and identifier
01:25:44FromDiscord<shadow.> oop
01:26:11FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> !eval var x = 5; echo x
01:26:14NimBot5
01:27:55FromDiscord<shadow.> ah smart
01:29:19FromDiscord<TheRealBob> !eval var x = 5+1; echo x
01:29:22NimBot6
01:29:27FromDiscord<shadow.> gamer
01:31:13FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Glad you didnt trust my eval enough 😄
01:31:53FromDiscord<shadow.> wait what
01:31:54FromDiscord<shadow.> im confused
01:32:53FromDiscord<shadow.> did you make it?
01:32:55FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> It's ok, you'll figure it out eventually
01:32:57FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> No
01:32:59FromDiscord<shadow.> lmmao
01:33:00FromDiscord<shadow.> OH
01:33:02FromDiscord<shadow.> i see
01:33:04FromDiscord<TheRealBob> you cant test the bot on the test channel lol
01:33:05FromDiscord<shadow.> rip
01:33:08FromDiscord<shadow.> here it is then
01:33:32FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval import strformat; echo &"I have {55} lines of code."
01:33:35NimBotI have 55 lines of code.
01:33:39FromDiscord<shadow.> spicy
01:37:26FromDiscord<shadow.> @ElegantBeef where can i find info about setting up that nimscript shell thing?
01:37:28FromDiscord<shadow.> sounds interesting
01:37:36FromDiscord<shadow.> or any type of environment like that rly
01:37:43FromDiscord<TheRealBob> yes
01:37:54FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> https://nim-lang.org/docs/nimscript.html
01:38:08FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> https://nim-lang.org/docs/nims.html
01:39:18FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> You cannot use it as a shell, just like a bash repalacement
01:39:49FromDiscord<TheRealBob> ah ok
01:41:05FromDiscord<shadow.> https://github.com/inim-repl/INim
01:41:05FromDiscord<shadow.> interesting
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02:29:09FromDiscord<shadow.> time to make a nim interpreter in rt
02:29:15FromDiscord<shadow.> the most illegal action of all
02:36:50FromDiscord<Rika> how dare you
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02:44:41FromDiscord<shadow.> lmfao
02:44:51FromDiscord<shadow.> can you do the countup with step in the .. form?
02:44:55FromDiscord<shadow.> or is there no shortening for that
02:45:58FromDiscord<shadow.> (edit) ".." => "default range iterable"
02:47:19FromDiscord<Rika> in the what
02:47:25FromDiscord<Rika> `..`? none
02:47:31FromDiscord<Rika> `countup`? has
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02:49:13LocksesAre there any resources on writing locks? I want to make a lock so that I can do avoid hitting rate limits for certain servers I need to talk to, so I basically need a lock that includes some sort of built in timer.
02:51:19FromDiscord<Rika> are you using multithreading
02:55:02FromDiscord<shadow.> nop
02:55:09FromDiscord<shadow.> oh not me LOL
02:55:21FromDiscord<shadow.> i was like why is multithreading relevant to a for loop step
02:56:05LocksesI'd like to be able to use multithreading in the future, right now I'm just going to try using async.
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03:02:21FromDiscord<Rika> you can use regular data structures for async, but for multithreading i dont think there is any such datatype
03:02:40FromDiscord<Rika> and any solution that ive thought of so far are prone to race conditions
03:03:05FromDiscord<Rika> i dont see why you need to multithread this though
03:03:11FromDiscord<Rika> since this is io bound and not cpu bound
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03:13:22FromGitter<gogolxdong> Google developed the distributed compiler called Goma. Googlers and contributors who have tryjob access could use Goma. ⏎ ⏎ If you are not a Googler and would like to use Goma sign up.
03:13:40FromGitter<gogolxdong> What's a distributed compiler like?
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04:46:14bungcompile code on machines through network
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07:27:37FromDiscord<levovix> how to check if type has trivial copy hook?
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07:58:48FromGitter<TheEngineersCorner> Hi, is there a straight forward guide to getting nimgl working? I am running into the same problems discussed earlier here. (fresh install of ubuntu 20.4) ⏎ gcc: error: private/glfw/src/vulkan.c: No such file or directory
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08:08:16PMunch@TheEngineersCorner, it seems like you have not initialised Git submodules
08:08:44PMunchHow did you install nimgl?
08:08:55PMunchOr did you simply clone it manually with git?
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08:12:43PMunchHaha, you remember the Python fibonacci script from yesterday? The 10_000_000_000 version is still running :P
08:13:08PMunchFor context the Nim solution finished in slightly more than 2.5 minute, this has been running since yesterday
08:14:12FromDiscord<Rika> Lol
08:14:27FromDiscord<Rika> Does it already use cached results
08:15:08PMunchIt uses a highly optimised algorithm: http://ix.io/2DKg
08:25:22FromDiscord<Rika> Looks optimized alright
08:27:58FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Shit... i was going to ask you something pmunch but i cant recally now
08:28:04FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> (edit) "recally" => "recall"
08:28:23PMunchHmm, do you remember anything about what it was?
08:28:31FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Nope
08:28:42PMunchOtherwise I'm here pretty much all day, so if it comes back to you just ping me :P
08:29:01PMunchRika, yeah the Python version is actually really fast
08:29:15FromDiscord<Rika> Zoom
08:29:19PMunchBut it gets beaten handily by the Nim version
08:30:00FromDiscord<Rika> As expected
08:30:47PMunchI was actually a little bit surprised
08:31:07PMunchI mean Python probably also wraps a similar underlying library to what the Nim solution is using
08:31:07FromDiscord<Rika> What’s the nim version code
08:32:03PMunchPretty much the same thing: http://ix.io/2DKp
08:36:21FromDiscord<nikki> yeah interpreting bytecode the way python does should make it take much longer
08:36:24FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well i'm just going to talk about my fork of moe which is adding nimscript configuration in hopes it pops back
08:36:24FromDiscord<nikki> vs. just compiled code
08:36:46FromDiscord<nikki> like this doesn't just call off to some C function and wait, the loop is python code
08:37:15PMunchTrue, but I assumed (wrongly it appears) that it would JIT compile the Python code into something that was fairly fast
08:37:21Zoom[m]Rika, What?
08:37:37FromDiscord<nikki> cpython doesn't have a jit
08:37:37PMunch@Elegant, the editor right?
08:37:41FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea
08:37:46FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Zoom they just wrote zoom due to the speed
08:37:52FromDiscord<nikki> slash what python interpreter ru using 🤔
08:37:54FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Your name is bound to be mentioned accidently
08:37:58FromDiscord<Rika> Oh my god there’s a user called zoom
08:38:15FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> They have a cousin blam and sibling boom
08:38:44ZevvSooo, folks, what do we Nim today
08:39:08PMunchJust looking at bignum/bigfloat libraries to see if I can implement one into stacklang
08:39:14FromDiscord<Rika> Recreate YouTube-dl in nim
08:39:21FromDiscord<Rika> I kid of course
08:39:31FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I'm trying to remember what the fuck i wanted to say to pmunch
08:39:37FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> We can embark on this journey together!
08:39:39PMunchI mean that would certainly bring som publicity, Rika
08:39:44FromDiscord<Rika> You shall not remember beef
08:39:57PMunchA vegans dream
08:40:00FromDiscord<Rika> PMunch of course but it’s pretty Herculean if you ask me
08:40:25PMunchIsn't it "just" some link grabbing?
08:40:43Zevvthere are bignum bindings, I started a bigfloat once but abandoned it
08:40:52FromDiscord<Rika> It has plug-in extensibility afaik
08:41:01Zevvgmp
08:41:30PMunchYeah the bignum gmp bindings look good
08:41:37PMunchBut they don't have sin/cos/etc
08:41:46ZevvPMunch: I happen to work on a commercial product that also "steals" streams from youtube. It's more involved then that.
08:41:55PMunchI could of course convert to a float, do the calculation, and convert back
08:42:11Zevvwhat calculations are you doing?
08:42:19FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> all of them
08:42:22ZevvI thought this discussion came from someone doing fibonaccis
08:42:24PMunchYeah I would guess it's more complicated, but how much?
08:42:43FromDiscord<Rika> In other news a few months ago I implemented float16 for no real reason other than to use it in CBOR
08:42:47PMunchZevv, it started there, then I realised how nice bignum was, and now I want to use it for stacklang
08:42:57FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> float16 is nice though, as it works well with gpu interop
08:43:24FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> halfs are pretty nice for saving memory
08:43:46Zevvyoutube is funny because it does not use any kind of manifests, like 99% of the other streaming services do
08:43:47FromDiscord<Rika> It only does conversion right now lmao I don’t have anything but conversion from 64
08:43:59Zevvthere's no MPD or M3U8, it's all magic in URLs
08:44:30Zevvthey use arbritrary split MP4 chunks
08:44:40FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Is the best way to make something like a half to use an `array[2, byte]` or what?
08:44:55FromDiscord<Rika> I used a distinct int16
08:45:15FromDiscord<Rika> Easier to do operations on
08:45:30ZevvElegantBeef: you can just use (u)int16s and cast where needed
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08:47:20FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Ok so say a 24 bit value? 😛
08:47:45FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Dont you dare say use an extra unneeded byte!
08:47:46FromDiscord<Rika> We’re talking about float16 are we not
08:47:53FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> We were
08:48:14FromDiscord<Rika> Other types have different solutions
08:48:28Zevvfor half floats you need native support of your language.
08:48:32Zevvthat's not just castable simply
08:48:49Zevvor you need to do the encoding/decoding yourself
08:48:54FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea i know that
08:49:11ZevvI thought you would :)
08:49:31ZevvI bet we can tell nim to use __fp16 as underlying storage for a type
08:49:46Zevvthere is this funny pragma that allows C-level declarations
08:49:53ZevvI forgot what it was. PMunch used it for the atmel progmem
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08:50:28FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I didnt notice that it was zevv and not z oo m
08:50:37FromDiscord<Rika> Lol
08:50:37FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Both have green avatars and 4 letter names
08:50:53ZevvYeah I always confuse all the people here. They all have names and they all type words
08:51:19FromDiscord<miere> Sorry for dumb question, but can I use {.discardable.} pragma with function pointers? It works with plain procs, but doesn't with pointer to proc https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DKs
08:51:21FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Wow he's now mocking me!
08:51:52PMunchcodeGenDecl :D
08:51:53ZevvZevv, mocking the world since '74
08:51:57Zevvright that one
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08:52:57PMunchmiere, unfortunately not it seems
08:53:21PMunchI would guess that {.discardable.} creates two versions of the proc, one that discards and one that doesn't
08:53:40PMunchWhat you could do is wrap it in an Option
08:53:48PMunchBut you would still have to handle it
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08:54:05FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea pmunch based off this that seems reasonable
08:54:06FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DKu
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08:56:00FromDiscord<miere> Is it a bug then that it doesn't work?
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08:58:10PMunchNot really
08:58:16PMunchIt's just not a supported scenario
08:58:49FromDiscord<miere> Yeah, found an issue https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/14260
08:58:50disbot➥ {.discardable.} on object fields causes compile error ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2lAd
08:59:00PMunchEssentially the discardable part is a Nim thing, so it isn't able to create an object with a function pointer because it doesn't know if it has a return type or not
09:00:29PMunchI guess it could add a hidden field and a union type though
09:00:34PMunchBut that is a bit messy
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09:15:58FromDiscord<D3F0LT> How do I make testament walk only subfolders in tests? I try testament p "tests / / . Nim" [1], it does not find tests, although there is a subfolder and a file in it
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09:25:52FromGitter<matrixbot> `Clonkk` I use ``testament p "tests/**/t*.nim" `` for subfolder
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09:49:35FromDiscord<Gabben> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DL3
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10:19:51FromGitter<matrixbot> `Clonkk` Ah youare on Windows. If I remeber correctly Windows only supports wildcard char in the last element of a path.
10:20:24FromGitter<matrixbot> `Clonkk` I Could be wrong (ot simply outdated), I haven't used windows in a while
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10:50:29FromDiscord<Timmy> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DLq
10:59:40Araqwoah bootstrapping works
10:59:49Araqamazing (I'm on a branch)
11:02:15Araq6.3s vs 6.7s
11:02:35Araqwow that's much better than my initial benchmark suggested
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11:44:22PMunchDamn, I wish I had put a status indicator into this Python script..
11:45:00PMunchWith the Nim version taking 2.5 minutes I didn't quite expect the Python version to take this long..
11:45:39FromDiscord<lqdev> PMunch: what script?
11:45:49PMunchThe fibonacci thing from yesterday
11:46:01PMunchCalculating the 10_000_000_000th fibonacci number
11:46:31FromDiscord<lqdev> oof
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11:46:48FromDiscord<lqdev> iterative or recursive?
11:46:55PMunchiterative
11:47:04FromDiscord<lqdev> sorry i wasn't following the discussions here yesterday 😅
11:47:09PMunchHaha, recursive would break the stack so bad :P
11:47:14FromDiscord<lqdev> yes
11:47:29FromDiscord<lqdev> i wonder if python has proper tail call support 🤔
11:47:47FromDiscord<lqdev> lua would handle a recursive fib just fine
11:47:49PMunchPython version: http://ix.io/2DKg, Nim version: http://ix.io/2DKp
11:48:07PMunchGood question, I kinda doubt it though
11:48:40PMunchBut yeah, with tail-end recursion it would run just fine
11:51:01Araqjust stop messing around with 'fib', it's a bad benchmark
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11:51:28Araqguys, 0.4s faster bootstrapping, that's not nothing
11:51:40PMunchOh yeah, only reason we were doing it was because someone came in here and wondered why Python was faster :P
11:51:50PMunchSo of course we had to disprove him
11:52:18PMunchHad to re-run the Nim version to make sure I actually input the number correctly, even though I almost ran out of RAM while running it it still only took 3.5 minutes
11:52:27PMunchCurious though that it uses so much more memory
11:52:41PMunchPython currently sits at 0.5Gb, Nim version peaked at about 13Gb
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11:58:38FromDiscord<Rika> That's a lot
12:00:43PMunchMhm
12:01:03PMunchGranted we are working with a very large number here
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12:02:58ForumUpdaterBotNew thread by HJarausch: Variable length tuple unpacking, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7072
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12:10:30PMunchRika, the answer will be about 2_000_000_000 digits
12:13:04FromDiscord<Rika> That's a lot of bytes needer
12:13:49PMunchYuup
12:15:57FromDiscord<Rika> That's around 6 or 7 gigabytes just for the number I think
12:16:39PMunchWhich probably means the Python solution is quite a way away from completing..
12:16:55PMunchIt's closing in on 5Gb now
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12:20:22FromDiscord<Rika> Lol
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12:38:55PMunchDoes Python have some magic switch like -d:release to speed things up?
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12:39:18FromDiscord<lqdev> no
12:39:25FromDiscord<lqdev> but you can use pypy
12:41:39PMunchWell that's just cheating
12:41:47PMunchI could also use Nim
12:42:07FromDiscord<lqdev> nim is faster
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12:57:16Zevvyou say
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13:10:54FromDiscord<malfong> `=destroy` is like defer free? https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DMi
13:14:44FromDiscord<Timmy> How on earth do you store such a big number?
13:15:06FromDiscord<Rika> With a lot of memory
13:15:36PMunch@Timmy, with bignum :)
13:15:57PMunchBasically a way of allocating memory on the fly for massive numbers
13:16:57Zevvlog2(10^2e6) / 8 is about 830 megabyte
13:17:20Zevv2e9, that i
13:17:21Zevvs
13:17:38FromDiscord<Rika> That’s to store a number 2 billion
13:17:38FromDiscord<Timmy> Why are you deviding by 8?
13:17:43FromDiscord<Rika> Not 2 billion digits
13:17:46Zevvthe number of bits
13:17:50FromDiscord<Timmy> (edit) "deviding" => "devising"
13:18:57FromDiscord<Rika> Oh misread
13:19:20Zevvdigits to bits to bytes
13:19:48FromDiscord<Timmy> I do not math too well
13:20:12Zevvone better maths well if one wants to code well
13:21:15FromDiscord<Rika> I was pretty sure about my 6 gigabyte estimate....
13:21:17FromDiscord<Timmy> I math just well enough for what I do
13:21:39FromDiscord<Timmy> which is not cryptography or bigints clearly
13:21:40FromDiscord<Rika> Maybe I did not divide
13:21:41FromDiscord<Timmy> :KEKW:
13:21:55FromDiscord<Rika> This isn’t even cryptography
13:22:28Araqmalfong: don't call =destroy directly unless you know what you're doing
13:22:29FromDiscord<Timmy> obv, but cryptography is very math heavy.
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14:05:47bungCan introduce a new flag when compile to js that disable vm gen ? some places compile time results differs from js
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14:07:56bungthat's not reliable , except can directly interate with js engine take result from there.
14:08:38FromDiscord<shadow.> is there a way to use big decimals in bigint?
14:08:41FromDiscord<shadow.> (edit) "bigint?" => "bignum?"
14:09:02FromDiscord<shadow.> tryna implement chudnovsky's algorithm in nim
14:09:08FromDiscord<shadow.> did it in py fairly easily but thats python
14:09:17FromDiscord<shadow.> (edit) "tryna implement chudnovsky's algorithm ... in" added "(pi calculator)"
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14:18:23PMunch@shadow, you have rationals in bignum
14:19:10PMunchhttps://github.com/kaushalmodi/bignum/blob/master/src/bignum/private/rat.nim
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14:23:50FromDiscord<shadow.> ooh ok
14:24:45FromDiscord<shadow.> is there any way to set precision?
14:26:10PMunchNot for those, they store everything as rationals
14:26:26FromDiscord<shadow.> ah ok
14:26:28PMunchFor that you'd want to wrap a bigfloatlibrary
14:26:28FromDiscord<Rika> precision does not exactly apply to rationals
14:26:38FromDiscord<shadow.> yeah i found nim-decimal which looks interesting
14:26:44FromDiscord<shadow.> @Rika lol fair enough
14:26:52FromDiscord<Rika> those also dont exactly have precisions afaik
14:27:16FromDiscord<shadow.> fr?
14:27:22FromDiscord<shadow.> theres a setPrec() function
14:27:41FromDiscord<Rika> i mean precision loss
14:27:54FromDiscord<Rika> in the traditional float sense
14:28:51FromDiscord<shadow.> ah ye
14:29:33FromDiscord<shadow.> https://github.com/status-im/nim-decimal
14:29:40FromDiscord<shadow.> trying to use this but after installed the package wont import lmao
14:29:47FromDiscord<Rika> whats the error
14:29:48FromDiscord<shadow.> the main file is decimal.nim and thats what im importing
14:29:51FromDiscord<shadow.> one sec
14:29:59FromDiscord<shadow.> cannot open file
14:30:02FromDiscord<shadow.> (edit) "file" => "file: decimal"
14:30:09FromDiscord<shadow.> other packages work fine ofc
14:32:42FromDiscord<Rika> the nimble package is malformed
14:32:49FromDiscord<hugogranstrom> Try import Decimal
14:32:52FromDiscord<Rika> srcDir says src but new dir is decimal
14:33:40FromDiscord<shadow.> ah
14:33:47FromDiscord<hugogranstrom> The package name is capitalized for some reason
14:33:51FromDiscord<shadow.> fr?
14:33:53FromDiscord<shadow.> thats odd
14:34:04FromDiscord<shadow.> still cant open
14:34:08FromDiscord<shadow.> should i just fix the src path
14:34:10FromDiscord<hugogranstrom> :(
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14:34:23FromDiscord<shadow.> where are nimble packages usually stored lmao
14:34:27FromDiscord<shadow.> bc i cant find them in my nim installation
14:34:38FromDiscord<shadow.> ima assume appdata
14:34:38FromDiscord<hugogranstrom> .nimble somewhere
14:34:56FromDiscord<hugogranstrom> Windows it's USER/.nimble I think
14:35:03FromDiscord<shadow.> a ty
14:35:05FromDiscord<shadow.> (edit) "a" => "ah"
14:35:55FromDiscord<Rika> you're gonna have to uninstall the package and git clone it (to wherever you put your nim projects), then change the nimble file, then nimble develop inside the dir
14:36:17FromDiscord<shadow.> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/776092940849381376/unknown.png
14:36:19FromDiscord<Rika> afaik, the nimble dir will not have the decimal dir since nimble deletes it?
14:36:23FromDiscord<shadow.> lmfao
14:36:23FromDiscord<Rika> exactly
14:36:25FromDiscord<shadow.> this seems a bit odd
14:36:26FromDiscord<shadow.> no code?
14:36:27FromDiscord<shadow.> lmao
14:36:31FromDiscord<Rika> i said
14:36:44FromDiscord<Rika> since the file is "malformed", nimble mistakenly deleted the code
14:36:49FromDiscord<shadow.> ah ok
14:36:53FromDiscord<Rika> so do what i said above
14:36:56FromDiscord<shadow.> kk
14:37:48FromDiscord<mratsim> strange, I don't remember adding Decimal in uppercase
14:38:00FromDiscord<mratsim> and I don't remember the uppercase being a problem :p
14:38:15FromDiscord<shadow.> lmao this is your package isnt it
14:38:20FromDiscord<shadow.> yes
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14:38:36FromDiscord<shadow.> @Rika alright i git cloned it in
14:38:49FromDiscord<Rika> now change srcdir to decimal
14:38:52FromDiscord<shadow.> kk
14:38:59FromDiscord<shadow.> done
14:39:01FromDiscord<Rika> then in the same dir do `nimble develop`
14:39:09FromDiscord<Rika> as the nimble file i mean
14:39:19FromDiscord<shadow.> wdym
14:39:21FromDiscord<Rika> then you should be able to compile your program
14:39:31FromDiscord<Rika> same dir as nimble file: run `nimble develop`
14:39:57FromDiscord<shadow.> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DMG
14:40:02FromDiscord<Rika> lol
14:40:06FromDiscord<shadow.> i did something dumb
14:40:07FromDiscord<shadow.> didnt i
14:40:09FromDiscord<Rika> no
14:40:16FromDiscord<Rika> i think its just because of the repo name
14:40:19FromDiscord<shadow.> ah lol
14:40:20FromDiscord<Rika> change it to just `decimal`
14:40:23FromDiscord<shadow.> kk
14:40:49FromDiscord<shadow.> invalid name
14:40:50FromDiscord<shadow.> kekw
14:41:24FromDiscord<Rika> w0t
14:41:27FromDiscord<shadow.> w0t
14:41:39FromDiscord<Rika> then idk im dumb ask someone more intelligent than a banana
14:41:50FromDiscord<shadow.> hmm
14:41:59FromDiscord<shadow.> i suppose it'd be a good idea to ask the person that made it
14:42:05FromDiscord<shadow.> @mratsim how do you recommend i install your package?
14:42:30FromDiscord<shadow.> i just realized the package is 20% html
14:42:33FromDiscord<shadow.> lol
14:42:49FromDiscord<shadow.> (on github ofc not once installed)
14:42:51FromDiscord<Rika> Probably documentation
14:43:11FromDiscord<shadow.> yeye
14:43:19FromDiscord<shadow.> i mean i could use bignum rat
14:43:30FromDiscord<shadow.> but i dont think thats good for pi is it
14:43:42FromDiscord<shadow.> especially when im limited to like around 14 digits per iteration
14:43:47FromDiscord<shadow.> so if i go higher precision
14:43:49FromDiscord<shadow.> then it wont be correct
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14:49:32FromDiscord<mratsim> normally it's nimble install decimal
14:50:05FromDiscord<shadow.> oh lemme try that i suppose lmao
14:50:11FromDiscord<mratsim> but do you need bigint or bigfloat?
14:50:15FromDiscord<shadow.> bigfloat
14:50:19FromDiscord<shadow.> for pi calculation
14:50:24FromDiscord<shadow.> to arbitrary digits
14:50:30FromDiscord<mratsim> okay. Also make sure to check JohnAD Decimal128 package
14:50:32FromDiscord<mratsim> ah
14:50:52FromDiscord<mratsim> then yeah you have to use nim-decimal. It's pretty raw though since I didn't end up needing it so far
14:50:59FromDiscord<shadow.> rip
14:51:03FromDiscord<shadow.> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DMM
14:51:08FromDiscord<shadow.> thats the python implementation
14:51:10FromDiscord<shadow.> tryna recreate in nim
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14:51:56FromDiscord<Rika> uh rename the package folder to `nim_decimal`
14:52:22FromDiscord<Rika> i dont know why `decimal` doesnt work, prolly related to why the package name is caps D `Decimal`
14:52:51FromDiscord<Rika> @shadow. ^
14:53:48FromDiscord<shadow.> ah ok
14:53:53FromDiscord<shadow.> lemme re git clone it i deleted it :KEKW:
14:53:55FromDiscord<shadow.> (edit) removed ":KEKW:"
14:54:58FromDiscord<shadow.> still did not work
14:55:13FromDiscord<shadow.> @Rika rip
14:55:29FromDiscord<Rika> eeeh
14:55:33FromDiscord<Rika> whats the error again
14:55:51FromDiscord<shadow.> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DMP
14:56:18FromDiscord<Rika> what the heeeeck
14:57:12FromDiscord<shadow.> weird
14:57:37FromDiscord<shadow.> fixed it
14:57:43FromDiscord<shadow.> it needed a version number at the end
14:57:46FromDiscord<shadow.> nim-decimal-0.1
14:57:57FromDiscord<shadow.> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DMR
14:57:58FromDiscord<shadow.> lol
14:58:31FromDiscord<Rika> ?????????????????
14:58:35FromDiscord<shadow.> i think that means its good
14:58:36FromDiscord<Rika> okay........
14:58:39FromDiscord<Rika> yes
14:58:44FromDiscord<shadow.> i changed the package name to decimal
14:58:48FromDiscord<shadow.> now its complaining theres two files in src
14:58:49FromDiscord<shadow.> LMAO
14:58:52FromDiscord<shadow.> but it worked
14:58:53FromDiscord<shadow.> ty
14:59:27FromDiscord<mratsim> >_>
14:59:34FromDiscord<shadow.> lool
14:59:39FromDiscord<mratsim> Nimble warnings are so annoying
14:59:54FromDiscord<Rika> lol yeah
14:59:58FromDiscord<mratsim> but don't worry even Nim zip package had this warnings iirc
15:00:51FromDiscord<shadow.> lol
15:01:29FromDiscord<shadow.> now my linter isnt working with the package
15:01:32FromDiscord<shadow.> gotta love it
15:01:33FromDiscord<shadow.> loll
15:01:43FromDiscord<Rika> amazing
15:01:51FromDiscord<Rika> congrats welcome to nim xddd
15:02:06FromDiscord<shadow.> faxx
15:02:24FromDiscord<mratsim> Wait until you use a package that means instant death to nimsuggest (like Weave)
15:03:50FromDiscord<shadow.> klmfao
15:03:52FromDiscord<shadow.> (edit) "klmfao" => "lmfao"
15:04:03FromDiscord<shadow.> i mean to be fair its at least better than dynamic languages
15:04:08FromDiscord<shadow.> python suggest shudders
15:04:44FromDiscord<Rika> eh idk i like nim's syntax and compiler enough to forgive its other tooling
15:05:30FromDiscord<shadow.> yeye
15:05:50FromDiscord<shadow.> `mpd_ssize_t`
15:05:53FromDiscord<shadow.> sheesh
15:06:12FromDiscord<shadow.> lookin like a whole c++ type
15:06:13FromDiscord<shadow.> lol
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15:07:04FromDiscord<lqdev> nimsuggest is so buggy that it led me to abandoning nvim in favor of lite just because i couldn't bear my highlighting disappearing every 2 minutes
15:07:30FromDiscord<shadow.> not me using vscode-
15:07:31FromDiscord<shadow.> ASNDOASJDOJASD
15:08:49FromDiscord<shadow.> how can i use setPrec with a uint64 if it needs an mpd_ssize_t
15:09:31FromDiscord<shadow.> i dont see a conversion lol
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15:14:17FromDiscord<mratsim> https://github.com/status-im/nim-decimal/blob/master/decimal/decimal_lowlevel.nim#L120
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15:14:31FromDiscord<mratsim> rough I said 😉
15:14:41FromDiscord<mratsim> that's autogenerated
15:15:11FromDiscord<lqdev> ever since i stopped using nimsuggest my life has become so much better
15:15:19FromDiscord<lqdev> less memory usage
15:15:22FromDiscord<lqdev> less frustration
15:15:34FromDiscord<lqdev> less crashes
15:15:51FromDiscord<lqdev> more syntax highlighting
15:15:59FromDiscord<lqdev> less rm -rf ~/.cache/nim
15:16:06FromDiscord<shadow.> ohh ok
15:16:07FromDiscord<shadow.> hmm
15:16:13FromDiscord<shadow.> ah i see
15:16:23FromDiscord<mratsim> less 100%CPU that are annoying on benchmarks because you forgot about them
15:16:29FromDiscord<shadow.> int64 works ty
15:16:34FromDiscord<lqdev> @mratsim yes
15:16:50FromDiscord<lqdev> i hope IC will improve nimsuggest's speed
15:17:04FromDiscord<lqdev> because right now i'm so happy without it that i'm definitely not coming back
15:17:23FromDiscord<lqdev> the basic context-free autocomplete lite provides is more than enough for me
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15:33:40FromGitter<bung87> IC means what?
15:34:54FromDiscord<lqdev> incremental compilation
15:35:34FromDiscord<lqdev> @Clyybberrrrrrrrrrrrrrr your bugfix for `internal error: environment misses 'thing'` doesn't seem to work
15:36:31disrupteknimsuggest will be faster under ic, yes.
15:36:42FromGitter<bung87> I remenber it stop development
15:36:43disruptekit'll be changed to merely use the ic artifacts.
15:37:48disruptekbut honestly, it's never been a problem for me.
15:39:04FromDiscord<lqdev> you haven't used nimsuggest while developing my game, then.
15:39:13FromDiscord<lqdev> it's so paaaaaaaainfully slow
15:39:33disruptekwhy?
15:40:17FromDiscord<lqdev> god knows why
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15:44:31disruptekwell, then i wouldn't pin your hopes on ic making it faster.
15:45:58FromDiscord<lqdev> my project takes long to compile
15:46:00FromDiscord<lqdev> almost 8 seconds
15:46:14FromDiscord<lqdev> that's why i think IC would make nimsuggest faster
15:46:35FromDiscord<lqdev> it's really slow only in modules that need a lot of other modules compiled
15:46:57FromDiscord<lqdev> so it's fine in a small module like `common` which maybe contains one or two types declared
15:47:06FromDiscord<lqdev> but slow in modules like `player` which depend on a lot of the game
15:47:10disruptek8 seconds is not a long time.
15:47:40FromDiscord<lqdev> yeah, imagine typing `player.` and waiting 8 seconds until suggestions pop up.
15:48:00FromDiscord<lqdev> it's not a long time to compile, but for suggestions it's painful.
15:48:14FromDiscord<lqdev> same with nim.nvim's semantic syntax highlighting
15:48:14disruptekare you saying suggests happen automatically?
15:48:23disruptekand can you gimme a repro?
15:48:30FromDiscord<lqdev> that's how i have them set up
15:48:51disruptekwell then, enjoy your setup.
15:48:54FromGitter<bung87> that is not the case , graph build on first time
15:48:58FromDiscord<lqdev> try opening this module with nim.nvim and see how long it takes to highlight https://github.com/liquid600pgm/planet-overgamma/blob/rapid/src/planet_overgamma/world.nim
15:49:39disrupteki always ready it as 600 gallons per minute and it fucks me up.
15:49:57FromGitter<bung87> suggest methods usual not recompile module
15:50:42disruptekhow can i clone this?
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15:51:45disruptekthe world.nim find in src highlights instantly but nimsuggest crashes.
15:52:04FromDiscord<lqdev> pfffffff that too
15:52:13FromGitter<bung87> nim.nvim highlight?
15:52:20FromDiscord<lqdev> for me removing ~/.cache/nim works
15:52:25FromDiscord<lqdev> but it's a band-aid solution
15:52:32disrupteknot for me.
15:52:42FromDiscord<lqdev> then i have no clue.
15:52:49disruptekneither 1.4 or 1.5.
15:53:06FromDiscord<lqdev> and 1.2 ain't gonna work because the code was written against 1.4.
15:53:06FromGitter<bung87> suggest does not have highlight
15:53:17FromDiscord<lqdev> @bung87 it does
15:53:25FromDiscord<lqdev> https://github.com/alaviss/nim.nvim
15:53:52FromDiscord<lqdev> disruptek: does nimsuggest output anything if you try running it from your terminal?
15:54:18disruptekyeah, SIGSEGV.
15:55:01FromDiscord<lqdev> wut
15:55:11disruptekcrashing in a lastSon call on type relation.
15:56:13FromGitter<bung87> no it' s extension feature nimsuggest does not
15:56:30disruptekic will make nimsuggest faster for sem, but it won't magically make the compiler not crash.
15:57:06disruptekevery time i use gdb i wonder why no one has bothered to fix the name mangling.
15:57:15disrupteklame.
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15:58:29FromGitter<bung87> the first problem is define project structure
16:05:55ForumUpdaterBotNew thread by BarrOff25: Changing alignment requirement of object type?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7074
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16:18:46FromGitter<eagledot> @mratsim Do i need visual Studio to make arraymancer work with cuda on windows?
16:20:35FromDiscord<mratsim> Good question, Windows is a notoriously bad platforms for Cuda, right behind Mac (but because there is no more Nvidia GPU/drivers for Mac)
16:21:22FromDiscord<mratsim> I think it might work with LLVM
16:21:35FromDiscord<mratsim> because the Nvidia compiler is now a LLVM extension
16:22:02FromDiscord<mratsim> the main issue is that the LLVM is always lagging behind CUDA (so you need LLVM trunk to use the latest Cuda version)
16:22:45FromDiscord<mratsim> See here: https://gist.github.com/ax3l/9489132#clang--x-cuda
16:23:55FromDiscord<mratsim> For proper compiler configuration you would need to have a nim.cfg with those changes: https://github.com/mratsim/Arraymancer/blob/master/nim.cfg#L25-L30
16:24:04FromGitter<eagledot> i was able to run examples in nimcuda (https://github.com/unicredit/nimcuda) with precompiled DLLs only.Also wanted to understand why need ``nvcc`` for arraymancer, is it because som cuda code is being emitted by nim?
16:24:25FromDiscord<mratsim> Yes, Arraymancer generates cuda code
16:25:34FromDiscord<mratsim> I think WSL now supports GPU so it might work under WSL
16:26:12disruptekmy testes have revealed another arc win.
16:26:29disruptek14.5s for skiplists torture test turned into 5.5s under arc.
16:27:46FromGitter<eagledot> @mratism Thanks . Your discussion and explanations in issues are also a big help.
16:29:08FromGitter<eagledot> Do i need -d:danger flag with every compilation?
16:29:43FromGitter<eagledot> Because on windows i was getting error with -d:danger flag.
16:32:20FromDiscord<mratsim> no
16:32:31FromDiscord<mratsim> if it's still there it's a leftover from 0.20
16:33:04FromGitter<eagledot> So speed wouldnot suffer i am not using -d:danger flag anymore?
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16:40:20FromDiscord<mratsim> no
16:40:26FromDiscord<mratsim> but do use release
16:40:39FromDiscord<mratsim> actually yes it can for some stuff
16:41:03disruptekrelease includes assertions now.
16:41:29FromDiscord<mratsim> dangers avoid bounds check to ensure that if you do foo[5] there is no check that is added to verify that 5 is within foo size
16:42:24FromDiscord<mratsim> in the future move (PR change to pointer+len) for most of the stuff I will use unchecked primitives so it wouldn't matter
16:42:32FromDiscord<mratsim> but it might still matter with the current backend.
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18:30:10FromDiscord<For Your Health> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DOb
18:31:15FromDiscord<For Your Health> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DOb" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DOc"
18:31:44FromDiscord<For Your Health> I'm probably doing something silly though, I'm not very good at Nim yet
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18:44:07FromDiscord<mratsim> Does updateGame has a var parameter?
18:44:19FromDiscord<mratsim> you can't capture a mutable parameter
18:45:39FromDiscord<For Your Health> Yeah, self is a var parameter.
18:46:34FromDiscord<For Your Health> If I can't capture a mutable parameter, I'm a bit lost on how to encapsulate the logic of a fixed timestep. Maybe I'm going about the idea wrong.
18:47:45FromDiscord<For Your Health> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DOh
18:49:40FromDiscord<lqdev> why'd you even make this into an object?
18:51:25FromDiscord<For Your Health> I'm not a super experienced programmer so I'm probably doing something dumb. However, I made it into an object because I need to keep track of some mutable state (the accumulator)
18:51:45FromDiscord<For Your Health> Also the interpolation, but that could be returned from the function I suppose
18:52:24FromDiscord<For Your Health> Is there a cleaner way of doing this?
18:54:35FromDiscord<lqdev> sure is https://github.com/liquid600pgm/rapid/blob/master/src/rapid/game.nim#L9
18:55:00FromDiscord<lqdev> not only cleaner but also more efficient as you're not creating a closure
18:55:00FromDiscord<nikki> @For Your Health you could make it a template that embeds the frame body
18:58:50FromDiscord<mratsim> Or have your Frame carry the time: https://github.com/mratsim/trace-of-radiance/blob/master/trace_of_radiance/scenes_animated.nim#L53-L63
18:59:34FromDiscord<mratsim> and then your step is straightforward: https://github.com/mratsim/trace-of-radiance/blob/master/trace_of_radiance/scenes_animated.nim#L159-L170
19:01:03FromDiscord<For Your Health> Thanks for the help so far everyone. Those links are a little beyond my comprehension at the moment but I will study them until I understand. I am very much stuck in OOP land as a programmer and trying to expand my mind to other ideas.
19:01:49FromDiscord<mratsim> it wouldn't be safe in OOP as well.
19:02:33FromDiscord<mratsim> what you did was capturing a pointer (because mutation) in a closure but that pointer is only valid for the duration of the proc while your closure would outlive it
19:02:57FromDiscord<mratsim> (that's borrow checking in Rust terms)
19:04:10FromDiscord<mratsim> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/2DOp
19:04:21FromDiscord<mratsim> possibly more
19:04:54FromDiscord<mratsim> there are various tradeoff in terms of speed (cache/memory locality, cache misses) , extensibility and ergonomics though
19:05:32FromDiscord<nikki> the main thing seems to be they want to have a utility that wraps a fixed timestep (with an accumulator) and parameterizes over the frame body
19:05:44FromDiscord<mratsim> well it would be safe actually in most OOP languages because they always allocate on the heap, but in C++ you would have issues
19:05:59FromDiscord<nikki> in c++ it works out with a reference capture
19:06:14FromDiscord<nikki> the closure is immediately executed and never held
19:06:21FromDiscord<nikki> it would probably be inlined
19:06:26FromDiscord<For Your Health> My main goal was to completely encapsulate the logic behind doing a fixed physics timestep without any other concerns.
19:06:42FromDiscord<mratsim> proc step(param1, param2)
19:06:54FromDiscord<mratsim> or use a template
19:07:21FromDiscord<mratsim> that would have the least impact on your code
19:07:28FromDiscord<nikki> the template that takes the body is the simplest soln
19:08:01FromDiscord<nikki> @For Your Health what is outside comprehension re: the template + body soln?
19:08:11FromDiscord<nikki> i don't think it's about OO or not OO
19:08:26FromDiscord<mratsim> proc update(self: var FixedTimestep, deltaDuration: Duration, updateStatement: untyped) =↵↵^new signature
19:08:45FromDiscord<mratsim> and then in the body just do "updateStatement"
19:09:01FromDiscord<nikki> does proc need to be template there?
19:09:11FromDiscord<nikki> or does proc automatically define a template if some param is untyped
19:09:14FromDiscord<mratsim> and call the template with self.update(deltaDuration, updateGame(self))
19:09:20FromDiscord<nikki> also the param can be typed, no identifiers are unbound
19:09:48FromDiscord<mratsim> you need to make it an explicit template
19:10:55FromDiscord<For Your Health> @nikki A lot at the moment. I haven't had a good look at it yet. I am not super savvy with templates yet, I'm not sure what the inject pragma does, have no idea what monotimes is, and I'm not sure what the various block: lines are for.
19:11:37FromDiscord<mratsim> you don't need the inject pragma, monotimes is a monotonic clock library
19:11:46FromDiscord<nikki> ok, all of that other stuff is unnecessary. the main thing is
19:11:48FromDiscord<mratsim> template are for literal substitution
19:12:09FromDiscord<nikki> ^ that part. and you can just take a body parameter and inject it into the middle of your loop
19:12:28FromDiscord<mratsim> so you won't create a closure at runtime, you copy paste the template body at compile-time
19:13:00FromDiscord<Daniel> today i read this:↵https://blog.johnnovak.net/2017/04/22/nim-performance-tuning-for-the-uninitiated/↵↵While i am not a programmer, ...well learning atm, from this text apparently "ref" completely slowed nim performance after compilation, quite interesting to me who is discovering programming in general.
19:13:08disruptekAraq: should i add nimph to important packages? it's broken by idgen changes.
19:13:14FromDiscord<For Your Health> I see. So essentially I am encapsulating the logic of a fixed physics update through metaprogramming?
19:13:33FromDiscord<nikki> honestly, it's not a huge change from what you already have
19:13:43FromDiscord<nikki> you want to pass code to run by passing a closure? pass a `body: typed` instead
19:13:48FromDiscord<Daniel> only atfer removing ref, nim comes to C level performance
19:13:56FromDiscord<mratsim> "automated copy-pasting" is a better way to put it, this is as soft as metaprogramming can be here
19:13:58FromDiscord<nikki> neither approach is more metaprogrammy than the other
19:14:07FromDiscord<nikki> i can write a whole example if that helps, brb
19:14:26FromDiscord<For Your Health> @nikki That would be greatly appreciated
19:14:35FromDiscord<mratsim> @Daniel it's due to something due to memory locality and cache misses
19:14:52FromDiscord<mratsim> a ref allocate on the heap just like malloc/free
19:14:53FromDiscord<nikki> i think this is discernible by just reading about templates in the nim manual though
19:15:08FromDiscord<nikki> there's no need to psych oneself out with all of the other extra stuff like the other stuff you saw in the github links sent, or the word metaprogramming
19:15:13FromDiscord<mratsim> The heap is slower than the stack for repeated alloc/dealloc
19:15:30FromDiscord<mratsim> because it has way more overhead
19:15:43FromDiscord<For Your Health> I don't mind metaprogramming. In fact I think it is a really elegant and powerful idea. I just always seem to get confused by it
19:15:55FromDiscord<mratsim> so don't allocate refs in compute sensitive part of your code.
19:16:14FromDiscord<nikki> i think the confusion came from github links having a bunch of other stuff
19:16:28FromDiscord<nikki> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DOs
19:16:31FromDiscord<Daniel> but when is using ref necessary?...can everything be done without it?
19:16:32FromDiscord<nikki> here's the minimal example
19:17:03FromDiscord<nikki> @For Your Health does this example make sense? can build up from there
19:17:22FromDiscord<For Your Health> I understand the example, but I'm not sure what the point of 'typed' vs 'untyped' is
19:17:25FromDiscord<nikki> @Daniel refs are pointers to heap allocations, and also ask nim to manage when to free the heap allocation
19:17:53FromDiscord<nikki> @For Your Health so for now, if you skip that thing (i'll explain it) does it make sense that if you change your frame function tobe a template, and then pass the body as a `body: typed` and mention body where you called the closure -- that it would work?
19:17:54FromDiscord<mratsim> It depends on your application. Usually ref are used to represent unique resources, i.e. you cannot use a database connection for another, they are not "fungible" just like even if 2 persons are of the same height, same number of arms and feet they are not necessarily the same.
19:18:18FromDiscord<mratsim> In that case, refs make sense.
19:18:56FromDiscord<nikki> @For Your Health typed vs. untyped is just saying whether to typecheck the body before or after substitution
19:19:01FromDiscord<mratsim> Also for large objects you want ref because there is just not enough stack memory
19:19:16FromDiscord<mratsim> (over 2MB)
19:19:45FromDiscord<nikki> @For Your Health an example where you want it to be `untyped` is -- if your template defines some variable that the body uses. in this case if the body is typechecked before expanding the template, that variable would be undefined
19:20:39FromDiscord<nikki> re: the refs thing -- you can also use heap memory without using refs, but yeah. eg. if you have a Table with a bunch of values, the values are not in stack memory (it's in a seq, and seqs allocate heap memory for their values)
19:20:53FromDiscord<nikki> you can also just alloc0 etc.
19:21:40FromDiscord<For Your Health> @nikki It's making some sense. I probably need to play around with it a bit to get an understanding. Templates haven't quite clicked for me yet.
19:21:46FromDiscord<nikki> @For Your Health i don't think the typed vs. untyped thing is clear right off the bat. i think it helps to just ... trust it for now and kinda just go with the `body: typed` thing, and after using templates a couple times it'll settle in
19:21:52FromDiscord<mratsim> anyway if your interested in this topic @Daniel the entry point to the rabbit hole is a google search on Value object vs Reference object and look into C++ and Rust related info
19:22:14FromDiscord<nikki> i think an important distinction though @mratsim is that in nim's case it's more than value vs. ref distinction
19:22:24FromDiscord<nikki> a big part is that in nim they are managed too, and that in eg. arc it adds refcounts
19:22:29FromDiscord<mratsim> indeed
19:22:31FromDiscord<nikki> personally i reach for ref, when that entire semantics is the semantics i want
19:22:45FromDiscord<nikki> it's an owned ref (unless it's {.cursor.})
19:22:53FromDiscord<mratsim> Indeed, also there are atleast 2 or 3 related topics where I expand on that on the Nim forum
19:23:18FromDiscord<nikki> @For Your Health tbh there's not much of a click. hmmm maybe one way to address it is -- what's your programming background?
19:23:21FromDiscord<nikki> have you written c++ before?
19:23:39FromDiscord<nikki> or c
19:23:59FromDiscord<nikki> if so i'd say it's like a real version of macros, instead of substituting text, it's working on a syntactic understanding of the source code
19:24:08FromDiscord<For Your Health> My background is I'm an almost completely self taught hobbyist. I have written tons of different languages including c and c++, but I'm not very good
19:24:34FromDiscord<nikki> yeah so invoking a template causes the compiler to say "oh, ok, i'll go take the template, splice in the parameters, and replace this code with that"
19:24:46FromDiscord<Daniel> tnx, googled now about it, my head is exploding 🙃
19:25:01FromDiscord<For Your Health> So templates aren't like rust macros in that they literally write code?
19:25:08FromDiscord<nikki> @Daniel it's good to keep doing a mix of just using things (practice) and reading up, you'll get used to it 🙂
19:25:15FromDiscord<For Your Health> (edit) "So templates aren't like rust macros in that they ... literally" added "don't"
19:25:48FromDiscord<nikki> they do. would you say my earlier description (in quotes) involves writing code, or no?
19:26:15FromDiscord<nikki> the description is actually what happens, you could interpret that as writing or not
19:27:11FromDiscord<For Your Health> What threw me off is you saying "instead of substituting text, it's working on a syntactic understanding of the source code"
19:27:25FromDiscord<nikki> ah ok. so lemme think about how to explain that difference
19:27:43FromDiscord<nikki> so in C, say you have a macro like
19:28:06FromDiscord<nikki> #define add(a, b) a + b
19:28:17FromDiscord<nikki> when the C compiler encounters a usage of this macro like
19:28:22FromDiscord<nikki> add(f(), 3)
19:28:37FromDiscord<nikki> it is taking the text f() and the text 3, and substituting a and b with them in the macro, to get f() + 3
19:28:50FromDiscord<nikki> and then it substitutes the whole add(f(), 3) for that result in the invocation
19:29:11FromDiscord<For Your Health> Yeah that much I understand
19:29:11FromDiscord<nikki> just checking if this is understood, once we're in sync on this we can compare it to nim's templates
19:29:15FromDiscord<nikki> cool that's good
19:29:25FromDiscord<nikki> now in nim's template case what' shappening is
19:29:55FromDiscord<nikki> template add(a: typed, b: typed): a + b
19:30:00FromDiscord<nikki> when the compiler sees
19:30:04FromDiscord<nikki> add(f(), 3)
19:30:17FromDiscord<nikki> at this point, the compiler has already parsed the source code
19:30:29FromDiscord<nikki> so add is in the form AddCall ( LeftChild, RightChild )
19:30:37FromDiscord<nikki> and then the LeftChild is f call ()
19:30:41FromDiscord<nikki> and the right child is Three
19:30:55FromDiscord<nikki> it actually doesn't look like this, it's the whole structure defined by the AST structures in macros.nim
19:31:07FromDiscord<nikki> but the higher level point is: this is at a later stage of compilation
19:31:09FromDiscord<nikki> parsing is done already
19:31:34FromDiscord<nikki> in the C case, the macro substitution was done by the C preprocessor before doing any parsing of actual C
19:32:01FromDiscord<nikki> in any case, the compiler understands that add is a template, and then splices the f call ast and the 3 ast into the ... + ... AST
19:32:19FromDiscord<nikki> so it's not text manipulation, it's manipulation of those data structures that represent the code
19:32:24FromDiscord<nikki> for this case, it seems trivial and not that different
19:32:48FromDiscord<For Your Health> It makes much more sense now. I guess my idea of metaprogramming was limited to C perspective of doing literal text manipulation.
19:32:56FromDiscord<nikki> but the real power comes when you want to do stuff like "ok, for each paramaeter, if it's a statement, do this. if it's a number, do this other thing" etc. -- if you want more intelligent logic that uses the fact that it's already parsed
19:32:58FromDiscord<For Your Health> Also the word 'template' threw me off a bit coming from c++
19:33:26FromDiscord<nikki> yeah there is no identification of the template concept in c++ with that in nim
19:34:04FromDiscord<nikki> maybe nim generics are similar ish, but, not worth comparing that much imo. better to study each for its own independent definition / usage
19:35:34FromDiscord<nikki> but yeah templates and macros let you program the compiler's manipulation of parsed structure of your source code, basically
19:35:52FromDiscord<For Your Health> That is really cool. Seems very powerful.
19:36:09FromDiscord<nikki> if you want to see a specific usage that i benefited from just a few days ago
19:36:37FromDiscord<nikki> i've been working on a game engine kinda thing that runs natively, but also in the browser through nim->c->wasm->...
19:36:45FromDiscord<nikki> i wanted to call out to http://google.github.io/incremental-dom/ to render DOM elements
19:37:00FromDiscord<For Your Health> That sounds right up my alley. I'll take a look
19:37:31FromDiscord<nikki> oh i just have a private repo with my engine haha, i just started working on it a couple weeks ago porting some c++ work
19:37:32FromDiscord<nikki> anyways
19:37:56FromDiscord<nikki> in that link -- you can see how this lib has you write elementOpen(...); child(); child(); elementClose(...); right?
19:38:18FromDiscord<For Your Health> Yeah
19:38:50FromDiscord<nikki> i just had a macro that let me write a more concise syntax for it
19:38:52FromDiscord<nikki> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/776169087800836166/unknown.png
19:39:14FromDiscord<nikki> the `elem` macro basically takes a html node name, and a bunch of attributes, and the body has code to run within it, which is usually some logic plus child elements
19:39:53FromDiscord<nikki> in this case it's a macro, not a template. and it iterates through the ast and produces the code required. it sounds more complicated than it really is
19:40:26FromDiscord<For Your Health> Yeah I've seen some macro code and that is way over my head currently.
19:40:48FromDiscord<nikki> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/776169569701986324/unknown.png
19:41:02FromDiscord<nikki> here's for example what that last ui.box: ui.text "fps: " ... expands out to
19:41:36FromDiscord<For Your Health> That's cool. Definitely saves a lot of typing!
19:41:58FromDiscord<nikki> yeah a big thing is preventing mistakes, and also allowing you to change the api used underneath, but keep the same api
19:42:18FromDiscord<nikki> like, i may be interested in making a native ui layer that implements this, after having prototyped uis in the web/dom
19:43:43FromDiscord<nikki> https://gist.github.com/nikki93/d33d38ffe03dd0cf41d523cb1bc28ed3
19:43:45FromDiscord<nikki> this is the macro itself
19:43:48FromDiscord<For Your Health> I'll have to dedicate some time to learning more about macros and templates. It always seems to be the answer to various problems I have.
19:44:15FromDiscord<nikki> i was following the "nim in action" book to learn nim, and the metaprogramming chapter in the end was good
19:44:47FromDiscord<nikki> the `nnkStmtList` etc. is me checking "hey is this a statement list? oh ok let's put that there then"
19:46:09FromDiscord<For Your Health> I might have to break down and buy that book. I just haven't because I am flip flopping a lot on languages
19:46:46FromDiscord<nikki> yeah i had a language exploration phase in the last 8 months. went through go, c++, zig, some rust
19:47:04FromDiscord<nikki> i checked nim out early in that and a benchmark of recursive fib showed it to be slow, turns out i didn't enable d:danger and then it was fast or faster than the others
19:47:04FromDiscord<For Your Health> I'm in language exploration hell right now
19:47:15FromDiscord<nikki> in any case, i think the book is very worth it
19:47:40FromDiscord<nikki> nim in particular has had the best combo among those
19:47:57FromDiscord<nikki> re: c++; i'd written it a ton for a while. i was just picking up and digging into the more modern c++ concepts
19:48:04FromDiscord<For Your Health> Yeah nim seems like a solid language.
19:48:49FromDiscord<For Your Health> I hear the c and c++ interop is really good and that is something I am interested in
19:49:38FromDiscord<Daniel> now when you mention language exploration phase, i am still going through that phase, ...for me as a begginer in programing, without any legacy or influence from any other language, so far nim seems like good choice...however i am not completely sure if i wil be able to create what i set a goal, windows desktop application with gui
19:50:06FromDiscord<Daniel> (edit) "now when you mention language exploration phase, i am still going through that phase, ...for me as a begginer in programing, without any legacy or influence from any other language, so far nim seems like good choice...however i am not completely sure if i wil be able to create what i set ... a" added "as"
19:50:09FromDiscord<nikki> @Daniel in the beginning you kinda just have to keep doing stuff. any thing you do is productive and you learn from
19:50:22FromDiscord<nikki> don't psych out on specific goals and whether they will be achieved or not
19:50:34FromDiscord<nikki> you may discover that you like building something else along the way, who knows 🙂
19:50:35FromDiscord<haxscramper> Automatic C++ interop is not really good, but if you want to wrap something manually this is quite easy - for example https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003530/371759389889003532/757703554734751754
19:50:59FromDiscord<nikki> and @For Your Health yeah the c++ interop is among the best. i was able to wrap entt which is template heavy
19:51:16FromDiscord<haxscramper> By C++ I mean specifically - classes and template hell like stdlib
19:51:22FromDiscord<nikki> the main reason it works out is it compiles to c or c++ so you're just interacting among structures within the same language
19:51:29FromDiscord<nikki> vs. using ffi, where templates just don't exist
19:52:38FromDiscord<For Your Health> I'll definitely be doing more research into that when I get around to it. I am interested in doing game dev and using the bullet physics engine
19:52:45FromDiscord<nikki> also looking at the generated c is really instructive when learning or using nim
19:52:59FromDiscord<nikki> great way to just know what something does imo
19:53:22FromDiscord<nikki> wrapping bullet should be fine. it's mostly news and method calls
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20:20:01FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval echo {1: 2, 3: 4}.type.name
20:20:05NimBotCompile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 23) Error: undeclared field: 'name'
20:20:14FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval echo {1: 2, 3: 4}.type
20:20:17NimBotarray[0..1, (int, int)]
20:20:47FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval import tables; echo {1: 2}.toTable.type
20:20:49NimBotTable[system.int, system.int]
20:23:30FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval echo (44100 500).type
20:23:32NimBotCompile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 13) Error: invalid token: (\29)
20:23:47FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval echo (44100 \ 500).type
20:23:49NimBotCompile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 14) Error: invalid token: (\29)
20:23:53FromDiscord<shadow.> hmm
20:24:37miprisome non-ASCII is making it through to IRC
20:24:53disrupteki don't believe it.
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20:43:42FromDiscord<shadow.> lmfao
20:44:01FromDiscord<shadow.> if anyone's experienced with the wave format, how do you read how many sample per channel there are in the header?
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20:56:48FromDiscord<shadow.> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/776188700094758982/unknown.png
20:56:49FromDiscord<shadow.> hmm-
20:56:54FromDiscord<shadow.> thats the entire error msg
20:58:50solitudesfadd var to argument
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21:04:16disruptekdon't do it.
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21:07:36FromDiscord<shadow.> ah yes var fixed it ty
21:07:38FromDiscord<shadow.> wait why dont do it?
21:07:48disruptekyou don't know where its been.
21:07:53FromDiscord<shadow.> lmao
21:08:25FromDiscord<shadow.> how can i make an empty sequence literal?
21:08:26FromDiscord<shadow.> but with a type
21:08:28FromDiscord<shadow.> if that makes sense?
21:08:48FromDiscord<shadow.> like `@[]: seq[float64]`
21:09:14FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> `var t: seq[float64] = @[]`
21:09:18ForumUpdaterBotNew thread by Peter: Deprecated operators for DateTime private members, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7075
21:09:29FromDiscord<shadow.> is there any way to do it without making a var is what i meant
21:09:46FromDiscord<shadow.> wait nvm i think im being dumb
21:09:56FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> `newSeq[:T](0)`?
21:10:17FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> guess the `:` is redundant
21:12:10FromDiscord<shadow.> ah ok
21:12:11FromDiscord<shadow.> ty
21:17:15Zoom[m]<FromDiscord "<shadow.> if anyone's experience"> Eh, Samplerate at offset 24?
21:18:24FromDiscord<shadow.> i believe it was samplesPerChannel i was looking for
21:18:39FromDiscord<shadow.> and i think? its at offset 40
21:19:56FromDiscord<shadow.> i just did `thatNumber div channelCount 8 / bitsPerSample`
21:20:01FromDiscord<shadow.> and i think its correct?
21:20:07disruptekbananas.
21:20:42FromDiscord<shadow.> lol what
21:23:08FromDiscord<nikki> for the var seq case -- `var t: seq[float64]` is enough (no need for the `= @[]` even)
21:23:22FromDiscord<shadow.> oh it auto-initializes to empty im guessing?
21:23:30FromDiscord<nikki> it's zero initialized just like everything else
21:23:33FromDiscord<shadow.> ahh ok
21:23:42FromDiscord<nikki> a seq consists of a data pointer and a capacity and a length
21:23:59FromDiscord<nikki> if the data pointer is `nil` (which is what it is when zero-initialized) it's considered an empty seq by all of the seq procs
21:24:04Zoom[m]Oh, wait, weren't the channels supposed to be interleaved? I need a refresher.
21:24:31FromDiscord<nikki> in nim the idiomatic thing seems to be to consider the zero-initialized case a valid empty value, for most data structures
21:24:35disrupteki'm only going to say this once:
21:24:46disruptekbananas are yellow fruits, but not all yellow fruits are bananas.
21:25:04FromDiscord<nikki> have u personally asked every yellow fruit how it feels
21:25:04disruptekthink about it.
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21:28:24FromDiscord<shadow.> hmm
21:28:26FromDiscord<shadow.> you're not wrong
21:28:43FromDiscord<nikki> @shadow. do you have lsp set up?
21:28:55FromDiscord<nikki> if so you can try this `var s: seq[int]; s.add(3)`
21:28:59FromDiscord<nikki> then go to defn on the `add`
21:29:13FromDiscord<nikki> and see how -- it considers the `nil` data pointer for a seq as a valid case
21:29:45FromDiscord<shadow.> lmao all im trying to do is set a `seq[seq[float64]] to @[@[], @[]]`
21:29:52FromDiscord<shadow.> i just wound up doing `this.samples = repeat(newSeq[float64](0), 2)`
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21:57:05FromDiscord<notchris> pears are the best fruit tbh
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22:00:33mipri(!) independent fact checkers have confirmed that tomatoes are the best fruit. Click here to learn more.
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22:01:48FromDiscord<notchris> Tomatoes are like, barely a fruit
22:02:14disruptektomatoes are the original switch hitters.
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22:03:32FromDiscord<notchris> I feel like tomatoes have no place on sandwiches, they feel awkward
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22:04:20mipriName a fruit that you'd prefer to find on a sandwich.
22:04:51mipriwant some apple slices? orange rind? some melon next to your roast beef?
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22:05:40FromDiscord<notchris> I don’t want any fruits on a sandwich, also turkey > roast beef
22:05:41FromDiscord<Daniel> perhaps none of the fruit should be on a sandwich?
22:05:58miprithe proper context of your complaints with the tomato, is that the tomato is the only contender for this position at all.
22:06:11FromDiscord<notchris> Well...you’ve got me there
22:06:49FromDiscord<Daniel> whats the criteria to be a contender?
22:07:18FromDiscord<notchris> Taste good and not be awkward
22:07:42miprithere are some double entres there if you look for them.
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22:08:44FromDiscord<Daniel> onion, corn, salad, garlic even
22:08:57FromDiscord<Daniel> this is now #offtopic
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22:09:36FromDiscord<notchris> Well, we all eat sandwiches I assume and nim is relatable in some ways to a sandwich
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22:21:06FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Peppers are good on a sandwich
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22:27:57FromDiscord<shadow.> bread is good on a sandwich
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22:42:20FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval echo [0, 1].type
22:42:23NimBotarray[0..1, int]
22:42:51miprinimble install inim and you can ask these questions locally just as easily
22:43:17PrestigeHas anyone worked on a treesitter grammar for Nim?
22:43:32PMunchI think someone did, yeah
22:44:02PrestigeI'm looking into using treesitter for nvim, would like to use it for Nim as well
22:44:02PMunchPrestige, something like this? https://github.com/genotrance/nimtreesitter
22:44:26PrestigeHm this says it's a wrapper, I don't think it's a grammar
22:44:50disrupteki don't think anyone has written a grammar.
22:45:09disruptekbut, shashlick is intimately familiar with treesitter.
22:45:48PrestigeI wonder if it'd be terribly hard to implement
22:46:30FromDiscord<shadow.> hmm
22:46:38FromDiscord<shadow.> can you use stream.write() and specify endianess?
22:46:48disruptekno, chucklehead.
22:47:00FromDiscord<shadow.> chucklehead
22:47:12FromDiscord<shadow.> should i just cast to a byte array and reverse then
22:48:21disrupteki don't care.
22:49:25disruptekshashlick: think nimble could be fixed so i can run gittyup tests?
22:49:44disrupteki could maybe make a PR if it's not much trouble.
22:49:59disruptekelse i will just wait for other people to fix it.
22:51:03PMunchHmm, I wonder if I can use the Kiwi cassowary solver for layouts in PiMo...
22:51:14PMunchMight be worth a try
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23:06:04FromDiscord<nikki> PMunch: is this layouts for a ui lib?
23:06:19FromDiscord<nikki> if you're interested in flexbox layouts like in css and react native and whatnot you could try https://yogalayout.com/
23:06:31FromDiscord<nikki> flexbox impl with pure C api
23:07:34FromDiscord<nikki> https://github.com/facebook/yoga/blob/master/yoga/Yoga.h
23:07:35FromDiscord<nikki> is the api
23:07:46FromDiscord<Daniel> what about nuklear?
23:08:22FromDiscord<nikki> nuklear also does rendering and events and whatnot, and i'm not sure how complete its layout impl is
23:09:31FromDiscord<Daniel> i just discovered nuklear 2 days ago, when was searching for gui for my app
23:10:13FromDiscord<nikki> if you want the app to be end-user-facing, i'd recommend using qt, dom, ... or sth. that a lot of actual apps use. but maaaaaybe you could get away with nuklear
23:10:17FromDiscord<nikki> if it's eg internal tooling and so on, anything works
23:10:35FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Pimo is his planned tiling window manager
23:10:54FromDiscord<nikki> ah word
23:11:04FromDiscord<Daniel> i am still discovering, thank you for suggestions
23:11:23FromDiscord<Daniel> i read qt is licensing mess
23:11:30PrestigeI tried Nuklear last week and nothing was working properly
23:12:04FromDiscord<nikki> totally depends on what your app wants to do and what its for and who its for
23:12:09FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Pmunch i'd be pretty happy with a simple "pattern" which lets you tell the window manager how to split for the next windows
23:13:22FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> So you have a alterating split with a `hSplit, vSplit` and a `repeat: pattern` for a master/stack split you could do `hsplit, vsplit` with `repeat: vsplit`
23:13:52FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Although that doesnt work well with your planned layouts afaik
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23:17:32FromDiscord<shashlick> @disruptek which specific issue? I've been on an extended break from coding
23:20:38FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I guess with that way pmunch you can still specify whether floating windows float or take their requested space as long as you make it so they dont disalign the grid
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23:23:03FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I also suppose if you have a `hSplitRight` and `hSplitLeft` with the coresponding vSplit that'd allow you to get any layout users would want without much work, just make the pattern and send it
23:23:31ForumUpdaterBotNew thread by Snej: Best practices for packages that bind to C libraries?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7078
23:23:53FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Prestige, quick implement my suggestion in nimdow 😛
23:25:22PrestigeYeah I think other WMs do something similar
23:25:41FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I know awesome didnt make it easy to do
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23:26:37FromDiscord<shadow.> how do you do constructors in nim LMASDJNAOUSDASD
23:26:44FromDiscord<shadow.> i looked it up and results are not conclusive-
23:26:55FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> make a proc named `init`
23:26:57FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> (edit) "`init`" => "`init T`"
23:27:13FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Or if you're super lazy use my package↵<https://github.com/beef331/constructor>
23:27:17FromDiscord<shadow.> lool
23:27:22FromDiscord<shadow.> wait like
23:27:40FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Like what duuuuude?
23:27:48FromDiscord<shadow.> lol like
23:27:55FromDiscord<shadow.> init AudioFile()
23:27:56FromDiscord<shadow.> or
23:27:58FromDiscord<shadow.> initAudioFile()
23:28:03FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> without a space
23:28:09FromDiscord<shadow.> ok lol
23:28:18FromDiscord<shadow.> i saw somethin like newAudioFile whats that about?
23:28:28FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> `new` for reference objects and `init` for value types
23:28:35FromDiscord<shadow.> ohh ok
23:28:47FromDiscord<shadow.> wait
23:28:50FromDiscord<shadow.> im so confused rn-
23:28:53FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Ok
23:28:59FromDiscord<shadow.> alright so i have a type called WaveFile
23:28:59FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> It's only a convention it's not forced
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23:29:06FromDiscord<shadow.> and i initialize it like this `var audio = WaveFile()`
23:29:15FromDiscord<shadow.> but id like it to have some automatic values like
23:29:20FromDiscord<shadow.> sampleRate etc
23:29:26FromDiscord<shadow.> so how would i do that in a constructor
23:29:45FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yes then define an `initWaveFile` if you dont want to do `WaveFile(sampleRate: 44000, samples: 2048)` and so on
23:30:14FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Or just use my package and use `--expandMacro:construct` so you can see what you should do
23:30:20FromDiscord<shadow.> hmm ok
23:30:41FromDiscord<shadow.> does initWaveFile have any arguments
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23:30:45FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Any you want
23:30:45FromDiscord<shadow.> like a this reference
23:30:48FromDiscord<shadow.> wait-
23:30:50FromDiscord<shadow.> my brain-
23:30:53FromDiscord<shadow.> oop in nim is confusing
23:30:57FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> It's really not
23:31:01FromDiscord<shadow.> welp im just a c++ head
23:31:02FromDiscord<shadow.> so
23:31:12FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> `initWaveFile` calls the WaveFile constructor and returns it
23:31:18FromDiscord<shadow.> ohh
23:31:20FromDiscord<shadow.> ok ty
23:31:29FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> We dont have actual constructors here
23:32:20FromDiscord<shadow.> ah ok
23:32:27FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well we do but not default value overrides
23:33:02FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Which is where my macro comes in, quickly generates them and you can provide both, optional, and default values. But think i've shilled it enough 😛
23:34:39FromDiscord<shadow.> loll ur good
23:34:46FromDiscord<shadow.> id just like to learn the default way first ig if that makes sense?
23:35:24FromDiscord<shadow.> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DQj
23:35:26FromDiscord<shadow.> i think this was what i was trying to do?
23:35:31FromDiscord<shadow.> lol
23:35:53FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> you dont need the return
23:35:57FromDiscord<shadow.> oh?
23:36:00FromDiscord<shadow.> why not
23:36:07FromDiscord<nikki> the last expr is implicitly returned
23:36:08FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Nim implictly returns values if they are un cought
23:36:11FromDiscord<shadow.> oh right right
23:36:12FromDiscord<shadow.> lol
23:36:13FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> (edit) "cought" => "caught"
23:36:29FromDiscord<nikki> you can also just do `result.samples = ...; result.channelCount = ...;` etc.
23:36:38FromDiscord<nikki> (not recommending, just giving choices)
23:36:41FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> You can but where's the fun in that 😛
23:36:43FromDiscord<shadow.> i thought you cant do assignment in those fields?
23:36:48FromDiscord<shadow.> it didnt like it last time i did it
23:36:57FromDiscord<shadow.> oh WAIT
23:36:57FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> If it's a reference type what nikki said wouldnt work
23:37:08FromDiscord<shadow.> do you mean in the newWaveFile function?
23:37:08FromDiscord<nikki> i'm talking about the example you showed
23:37:08FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> If it's a value type it will as value types cannot be nil
23:37:11FromDiscord<nikki> it'll work there
23:37:20FromDiscord<nikki> yep
23:37:21FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> also if it's a value type you're supposed to use `init`
23:37:35FromDiscord<nikki> yeah the convention is `initX` for returning an object
23:37:38FromDiscord<shadow.> whats the difference between a valuetype and a referencetype (in this situation)?
23:37:40FromDiscord<nikki> for returning a `ref` the convention is `newX`
23:37:43FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> `ref Object`
23:37:55FromDiscord<shadow.> ah
23:38:03FromDiscord<shadow.> so for this i should use init?
23:38:07FromDiscord<nikki> but yeah there are no constructors. just procs that return stuff
23:38:07FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yes
23:38:17FromDiscord<shadow.> thats just naming convention?
23:38:20FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yes
23:38:23FromDiscord<shadow.> ah ok
23:38:58FromDiscord<shadow.> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2DQk
23:38:59FromDiscord<shadow.> correct?
23:39:02FromDiscord<shadow.> seemed to work for me
23:39:03FromDiscord<shadow.> lol
23:39:18FromDiscord<nikki> yea that works too. up to you which way you wanna go
23:39:21FromDiscord<shadow.> ah ok ty
23:39:25FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yep
23:39:29FromDiscord<nikki> usually people indent with 2 spacaes
23:39:31FromDiscord<nikki> seems like you're using 4?
23:39:49FromDiscord<nikki> fine either way tho :p
23:40:13FromDiscord<shadow.> i use a tab usually lol
23:40:32FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> No you dont
23:40:36FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> You use 4 spaces
23:40:42FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Just your editor pretends it's a tab
23:40:43FromDiscord<shadow.> i have tab set to autoreplace
23:40:45FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Nim doesnt support tabs
23:40:46FromDiscord<shadow.> i think
23:40:46FromDiscord<shadow.> oh
23:40:53FromDiscord<shadow.> i think i have vscode set to replace tabs with 4 spaces?
23:40:54FromDiscord<nikki> i use assignment to result in cases like this:
23:40:56FromDiscord<nikki> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/776230006082633759/unknown.png
23:41:07FromDiscord<nikki> just saw that the C codegen came out better in these cases
23:41:13FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> You can use tabs if you use source code filters but ehh
23:41:26FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Most programmers that think they use tabs actually use spaces
23:41:27FromDiscord<nikki> when you say use tabs, you mean you press the tab key?
23:41:36FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval var (x, y) = (1, 2); (x, y) = (y, x); echo x, " ", y
23:41:37FromDiscord<shadow.> yes
23:41:39NimBot2 1
23:41:45FromDiscord<shadow.> w o a h
23:41:48FromDiscord<shadow.> did not know you could do that
23:41:54FromDiscord<nikki> yeah, i think what that means is you're pressing the tab key to enter n number of spaces
23:41:58FromDiscord<shadow.> yup
23:42:01FromDiscord<shadow.> its a vscode setting
23:42:22FromDiscord<nikki> yeah i think using tabs is usually interpreted to mean that you have `\t` characters in the file haha, which i think nim doesn't support
23:42:25FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Most editors default to spaces as tab, and then people go "I'd never use spaces as they're dumb" meanwhile they use spaces 😄
23:42:29FromDiscord<shadow.> lmfao
23:42:31FromDiscord<shadow.> i never said that
23:42:39FromDiscord<shadow.> i just said i like the length of a tab which for me is 4 spaces
23:42:40FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea nikki it's using `\t` instead of `\s\s\s\s` 😄
23:42:43FromDiscord<shadow.> lol
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23:43:03FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I like tabs as they dont embedd the indention size into the file... 😄
23:44:10FromDiscord<nikki> @shadow. https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#statements-and-expressions-tuple-unpacking it's this thing
23:44:14FromDiscord<shadow.> yeye
23:44:18FromDiscord<nikki> it also implicitly happens in `for ...` decls
23:44:24FromDiscord<shadow.> as a c++ programmer
23:44:32FromDiscord<shadow.> sTrUcTuReD biNdiNgS
23:44:34FromDiscord<nikki> c++ has it, called structured bindings
23:44:35FromDiscord<nikki> yeah
23:44:37FromDiscord<shadow.> yup
23:44:38FromDiscord<shadow.> auto [x, y]
23:44:47FromDiscord<nikki> before c++20 you couldn't capture structured bindings in a lambda
23:44:52FromDiscord<shadow.> and py also has it implicitly almost everywhere lol
23:44:55FromDiscord<shadow.> x, y = 1, 2
23:44:59FromDiscord<shadow.> but python is just....python
23:45:06FromDiscord<nikki> eg. `let [x, y] = sth(); const foo = [&]() { blah(x); }` wouldn't work
23:45:28FromDiscord<nikki> yeah an important thing is that you can't use it to swap, just keep that in mind i guess
23:45:39FromDiscord<shadow.> fr?
23:45:41FromDiscord<nikki> like `(x, y) = (y, x)` doesn't actually properly swap the stuff in nim
23:45:42FromDiscord<shadow.> didnt i just do it in the eval-
23:45:44FromDiscord<shadow.> oh lmfao
23:45:49FromDiscord<shadow.> ik theres a swap proc lol
23:45:59FromDiscord<nikki> oh ok, maybe it works then hmm
23:46:12FromDiscord<shadow.> !eval var (x, y) = (50, 100); (x, y) = (y, x); echo x, " ", y
23:46:15NimBot100 50
23:46:19FromDiscord<shadow.> hmm
23:46:23FromDiscord<shadow.> maybe it doesnt work with more complex stuff?
23:46:28FromDiscord<shadow.> lol
23:46:30FromDiscord<shadow.> tho that'd be odd
23:46:34FromDiscord<nikki> i remember reading somewhere that it fails in some case but maybe it's fine
23:46:40FromDiscord<nikki> idk if it forwards assignment operators, maybe not
23:46:44FromDiscord<shadow.> eh im sure theres a reason for a swap proc if it exists
23:46:49FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Tuple unpacking is weird 😄
23:47:06FromDiscord<nikki> what's weird about it 🤔
23:47:10FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> ~~flees the scene~~
23:47:13FromDiscord<shadow.> yeah bro
23:47:21FromDiscord<shadow.> ~~c++ devs rise-~~
23:47:22FromDiscord<shadow.> ASHDOHASODJASd
23:47:38FromDiscord<shadow.> cries in `static_cast<float>(x)`
23:47:43FromDiscord<shadow.> (edit) "`static_cast<float>(x)`" => "`static_cast<T>(x)`"
23:47:47FromDiscord<nikki> the nim manual is a pretty solid read
23:47:49FromDiscord<nikki> also "nim in action"
23:48:01FromDiscord<shadow.> ive read the nim manual in parts i just feel like the order was a bit weird
23:48:03FromDiscord<nikki> if you want to get through the nim concepts in a structured way
23:48:11FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well read the tutorial and then the manual
23:48:11FromDiscord<shadow.> nim in action looks cool
23:48:20FromDiscord<nikki> yeah, the nim in action book is more amenable to reading front to back it hink
23:48:24FromDiscord<shadow.> ah ok
23:48:25FromDiscord<nikki> vs. the manual. which is more spec'y
23:48:27FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> The tutorial is afterall meant to teach, whereas the manual is meant to document
23:48:41FromDiscord<shadow.> yeah true
23:48:46FromDiscord<shadow.> whew 40 bucks
23:48:48FromDiscord<shadow.> fair enough
23:48:57FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Goes right into dom96's food fund 😛
23:49:07FromDiscord<shadow.> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/776232065179189258/unknown.png
23:49:07FromDiscord<nikki> haha, plus the publisher probs
23:49:09FromDiscord<shadow.> am i reading this correctly
23:49:17FromDiscord<nikki> gonna try to zone into some code for a bit
23:49:24FromDiscord<shadow.> ah ok gl!
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