<< 12-09-2023 >>
00:01:09FromDiscord<leorize> it's definitely slower than the Nim solution, though
00:07:48FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "just to drive the": is this a GUI
00:07:55FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> since its kinda the whole point of my program
00:08:06FromDiscord<leorize> you can try running it and see for yourself
00:08:09FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> ok
00:08:14FromDiscord<leorize> it doesn't mutate anything so pretty safe
00:08:54FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> up it is
00:08:55FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> FUCK
00:09:00FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> I'VE BEEN OUT DONE
00:09:29FromDiscord<leorize> zenity is pretty competent as a gui for simple stuff
00:09:39FromDiscord<leorize> winetricks GUI is 100% zenity
00:09:45FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> wow
00:09:47FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> really?
00:10:09FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "it's definitely slower than": yeah the nim thing feels faster
00:10:12FromDiscord<leorize> yes, winetricks is a bash script (at least 4 years ago when I was using it)
00:10:30FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> oh well
00:10:37FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> it aint stopping me from making it better
00:11:07FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> for now i declare my program as 0.1 until i add the ability to remove existing paths
00:11:29FromDiscord<leorize> you can build an environment editor
00:11:53FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> also how do i specify 64 bit in debian packaging
00:11:54FromDiscord<leorize> and I've already told you how to build a robust one that can be integrated into distros
00:12:05FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "and I've already told": its already done
00:12:23FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i tried it with new line without new line
00:12:26FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> it did it all correct
00:12:26FromDiscord<leorize> welcome to the horror of debian packaging↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
00:12:33FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brUAi7-FIqQ&ab_channel=JustLinux
00:12:38FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> acording to this guy it looks simple
00:13:07FromDiscord<leorize> well a bashrc editor is nice and all, but not something I'd personally consider even comparable to Windows' editor
00:13:42FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i mean
00:13:47FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> it does what it says on the box xd
00:13:57FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> nothing more nothing less
00:14:26FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "acording to this guy": watching a youtube video for debian packaging.. isn't the best I idea I think
00:14:30FromDiscord<leorize> and I'm saying you'll want an editor of Windows caliber to make its way to all distros
00:14:53FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "and I'm saying you'll": thats the end goal
00:15:02FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i gotta start simple first then work my way up
00:15:15FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> you guys can help me since i clearly make too many mistakes lol
00:15:28FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @yardanico "watching a youtube video": why not
00:15:41FromDiscord<leorize> and I'm telling you that bashrc isn't the best choice to manage environment
00:15:56FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> what is?
00:16:04FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> isnt it the only way to add to path
00:16:15FromDiscord<leorize> nope
00:16:17FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> or do i make my own file then source it in the bashrc
00:16:50FromDiscord<leorize> and when you're making an infra piece, you get to decide how it's done, too
00:16:52FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> guys i built the debian package
00:16:56FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> the thing wasnt a scam after all
00:18:02FromDiscord<leorize> my recommendation is to split it into\: a database, a tool to turn the contents of that database into something usable by other software, and an editor
00:18:15FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> bro
00:18:19FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> thats overengineering
00:18:22FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> at its finest
00:18:25FromDiscord<leorize> the first part has already been done by systemd, funny enough
00:18:36FromDiscord<leorize> and it does like 40% of the second
00:18:48FromDiscord<leorize> make the rest and you strike gold
00:19:12FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> alright so what needs to be done so i can put this in the github roadmap
00:19:17FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> so i dont forget to do so
00:20:06FromDiscord<leorize> ^ that&#x27;s all you need
00:20:44FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> wouldnt it be much much for feasible to make my own file then source it over in bashrc?
00:20:54FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> when the program starts i take all the paths and display it to the user
00:21:01FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> then the user can select which one to delete
00:21:09FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "wouldnt it be much": what if the user uses zshrc? fish?
00:21:13FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> gg
00:21:18FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> ya outta luck mate
00:21:19FromDiscord<Yardanico> systemd will manage environment sytsem-wide as leorize said
00:21:25FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> wait
00:21:38FromDiscord<leorize> ow, you're spoiling them \:p
00:21:42FromDiscord<Yardanico> `systemctl set-environment` and `systemctl environment`
00:21:44FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> so my program can run in zshrc and bashrc and fish
00:21:46FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> damn
00:21:48FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> im sold
00:21:49FromDiscord<Yardanico> show-environment
00:22:09FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "so my program can": so I won't ever use your program then because I use fish :P
00:22:20FromDiscord<Yardanico> and fish has an easy way to add things to path permanently right away from the terminal
00:22:30FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://fishshell.com/docs/current/cmds/fish_add_path.html
00:22:34FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> but what is the user is not using systemd
00:22:59FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> like openrc or something
00:23:05FromDiscord<leorize> that's where the second part of my idea comes in
00:23:11FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> jesus
00:23:12FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> alright
00:23:18FromDiscord<Yardanico> there are more people with systemd + fish than non-systemd + bash I think at this point, for the purpose you want to capture (desktop linux users)
00:24:02FromDiscord<leorize> well, even with all that there will still be a lot of asterisks, so have fun
00:24:30FromDiscord<leorize> systemd didn't take over most of linux's infra in a night after all
00:24:33FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> the best thing i can think of is making incremental changes first
00:24:37FromDiscord<Yardanico> this fuctionality nowadays is also managed by DEs
00:24:49FromDiscord<Yardanico> partially at least
00:24:56FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i mean
00:25:06FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> idk why i havent ever seen a gui frontend to add to path
00:25:07FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> like ever
00:25:19FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> its either nobody thought about it or its a horrible idea
00:25:37FromDiscord<Yardanico> because it's too easy to just write a line in a file, you don't need to do it often enough to warrant a tool :0
00:25:39FromDiscord<Yardanico> (edit) ":0" => ":)"
00:25:42FromDiscord<leorize> the infrastructure for it doesn't exist, and building one takes actual effort
00:26:09FromDiscord<Yardanico> unlike windows on linux most of the stuff is installed through the package manager, so if you want a default C compiler, you'll never have to download it manually and add it to path manually
00:26:12FromDiscord<leorize> and in the land of free labor™, if you want an idea that doesn't have a lot of backing done, do it yourself
00:26:17FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @yardanico "because it's too easy": i agree its even faster than using my tool
00:26:18FromDiscord<Yardanico> you just do `sudo apt install gcc` and then `gcc` just works
00:26:40FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "and in the land": ™
00:26:45FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> murica™
00:27:33FromDiscord<leorize> and then after you build all that, you might even consider adding a dbus interface so DE knows if the environment was changed to run software with the new environment
00:27:42FromDiscord<leorize> and stuff like that
00:27:56FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> tf is dbus
00:28:01FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> dick bus?
00:28:10FromDiscord<leorize> the great thing about infrastructure is that you only have to build it once
00:28:17FromDiscord<leorize> the bad part is that you actually have to build it
00:28:23FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> and its fucking hard to build lol
00:29:00FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf
00:29:08FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> also why is debian packaging tutorial this big
00:30:02FromDiscord<leorize> there's a reason why arch's PKGBUILD took off when PPA, OBS and COPR exists
00:30:15FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> xd
00:30:16FromDiscord<Yardanico> you'll also have to read https://wiki.debian.org/Nim
00:30:26FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://salsa.debian.org/nim-team/dh-make-nim
00:30:34FromDiscord<Yardanico> but it might not work today
00:30:38FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> ye bro i think im better off making an appimage or something
00:30:43FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> this shit is too bumfucked
00:31:24FromDiscord<leorize> the mantra of "build great stuff and let packagers package it for you" didn't come from nowhere
00:32:13FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> do packagers hate their life or something
00:32:25FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> who even thought it was a good idea to make it this hard
00:32:48FromDiscord<leorize> you can sum it up to\: they didn't know better
00:32:57FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> XD
00:33:38FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> im gonna stick with appimage
00:33:55FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> although i have to implement auto updating of some sort or else i just stick the package up my ass
00:34:09FromDiscord<leorize> you can also make a flatpak
00:34:15FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> fuck flatpaks
00:34:18FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> and their sandbox
00:34:19FromDiscord<leorize> oh but flatpak don't have a nim sdk
00:34:52FromDiscord<saint._._.> how do I convert a uint to int in nim?
00:34:59FromDiscord<saint._._.> Or to a Natural type
00:35:17FromDiscord<leorize> `int(x)`
00:35:20FromDiscord<leorize> same for Natural
00:35:42FromDiscord<leorize> you do have to make sure it won't overflow, or you will get an exception
00:37:19FromDiscord<saint._._.> Hmm
00:39:34FromDiscord<saint._._.> okie think its working
00:39:38FromDiscord<saint._._.> Thanks!
00:43:19FromDiscord<raynei486> is `=destroy` and friends only for ARC/ORC?
00:43:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> They 'work' in refc, but not very well
00:44:49FromDiscord<raynei486> hmmm
00:45:22FromDiscord<raynei486> I want to open a issue for stdlib objects to use lifetime hooks but if that's the case then idk
00:46:22FromDiscord<leorize> not very well is an understatement
00:46:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean arc/orc is now the default, so they should have hooks
00:46:37FromDiscord<leorize> depends on the compiler mood it might not even run at all
00:46:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Plus you can always do `when hasHooks`
00:47:55FromDiscord<raynei486> oh that's neat
00:48:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well I mean `hasHooks` isnt a defined constant
00:48:14FromDiscord<raynei486> In reply to @leorize "depends on the compiler": if you don't feed the GC enough ram it will bite you?
00:48:37FromDiscord<leorize> there were some codegen issues
00:48:49FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> how do i tell my .nimble file to output my binary in a specific folder?
00:49:24FromDiscord<leorize> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/19138 \<- something like that
00:50:11FromDiscord<leorize> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/18071 \<- and something like this which skips your handler in edge cases
00:50:35FromDiscord<leorize> not /were/ I guess, there are still codegen issues
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00:51:47FromDiscord<leorize> there might be more that I haven't reported
00:52:10FromDiscord<leorize> I just stopped using destructors on refc altogether to avoid the headache
00:52:26FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "how do i tell": bro how
00:52:37FromDiscord<leorize> you don't
00:52:52FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> wdym you dont bruh
00:53:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> > I just stopped using refc altogether to avoid the headache↵FTFY
00:53:19FromDiscord<saint._._.> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/Yd9r1
00:53:35FromDiscord<saint._._.> Any idea why I'm getting this error?
00:53:36FromDiscord<saint._._.> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G6y
00:53:39FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "bro how": https://nim-lang.org/docs/nimc.html
00:54:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `: pointer`
00:54:21FromDiscord<leorize> you might want importc
00:54:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Pointer is a `void`, so there's your problem
00:54:44FromDiscord<saint._._.> But its supposed to be void
00:54:59FromDiscord<saint._._.> I'm also not trying to call a member function or anything
00:55:07FromDiscord<saint._._.> So idk why it's generating a dot
00:55:08FromDiscord<leorize> importcpp compiles into a method call
00:55:18FromDiscord<leorize> are you using a C proc or a C++ proc?
00:55:22FromDiscord<saint._._.> c proc
00:55:27FromDiscord<leorize> then `importc`
00:55:28FromDiscord<saint._._.> Its a c wrapper around cpp
00:55:30FromDiscord<saint._._.> oh
00:55:33FromDiscord<saint._._.> gotcha
01:05:05FromDiscord<nasuray> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "how do i tell": Relative to the project directory? Then set binDir in `.nimble`....Outside your project directory? You might be better off with a separate task to build and copy the binary.
01:05:24FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @nasuray "Relative to the project": probably gonna use make
01:05:26FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> to save me
01:05:50FromDiscord<saint._._.> how do I put a pointer as an argument in a proc declaration, is it ref?
01:05:55FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> gonna outsource the task to chatgippty
01:06:04FromDiscord<saint._._.> so like proc Foo (bar: ref string)
01:06:11FromDiscord<saint._._.> (edit) "string)" => "cstring)"
01:06:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `var cstring`
01:06:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `ref` is a heap allocated pointer
01:07:06FromDiscord<saint._._.> Right sorry
01:07:44FromDiscord<saint._._.> I actually meant ref csize_t
01:07:44FromDiscord<saint._._.> Since the c code I want has size_t
01:07:49FromDiscord<saint._._.> That I'm mapping it to
01:08:09FromDiscord<saint._._.> And then I heap something to size csize_t
01:08:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `var csize_t` is still what you want
01:08:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `ref csize_t` only makes sense if the data is supposed to outlive the scope and is used with `malloc` and friends in C land
01:08:52FromDiscord<saint._._.> Yeah it is
01:08:56FromDiscord<saint._._.> It's a return value
01:09:25FromDiscord<saint._._.> Well I will alloc it in nim land
01:11:38FromDiscord<saint._._.> Does that make sense?
01:11:55FromDiscord<saint._._.> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G6D
01:12:22FromDiscord<saint._._.> This is the c function, as you can see, outputlen is being used as a return value, and the memory is expected to be alloc outside the func
01:13:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Right outputlen in Nim should be `var T` and you do not need to heap allocate it
01:13:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `proc getStr(attrName: cstring, attrLen: int, e: pointer, output: var cstring, outputLen: var int)`
01:13:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Should be what you want
01:14:28FromDiscord<demotomohiro> You can just declare local variable on stack and pass the address of it as long as it is not used after the function return.
01:15:15FromDiscord<saint._._.> Oh okay
01:15:21FromDiscord<saint._._.> Thats cool
01:15:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You shouldnt use `ptr int` here you should use `var int`
01:15:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Mutable references in Nim are `var` so just use that when interopping with C that only uses the pointer for a mutable reference
01:22:59FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i figured out how to make an appimage
01:23:01FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> lets go
01:23:04FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> bout time
01:56:36FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> https://github.com/FaisalAhmedAlghamdi/gnu-pathadder/tree/main
01:56:38FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> check
01:59:32FromDiscord<leorize> why are you turning folderName into a var btw?
01:59:49FromDiscord<leorize> you can just strutils strip it
02:01:13FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "why are you turning": we just discussed this
02:01:19FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i need to make a copy
02:01:51FromDiscord<leorize> or you could use strutils.strip which does both for you
02:09:56FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> also wtf is wrong with choosenim
02:10:03FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> https://github.com/FaisalAhmedAlghamdi/gnu-pathadder/actions/runs/6154049469/job/16698811567
02:10:25FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> this CI tells me to put in `-y` to accept then when i do it says illegal option
02:20:11FromDiscord<leorize> well its choosenim
02:20:18FromDiscord<leorize> what did you expect
02:29:57FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "well its choosenim": is it that bad
02:37:06FromDiscord<saint._._.> How do I get nim to recompile always
02:37:14FromDiscord<saint._._.> Regardless if the file has been edited or not
02:37:31FromDiscord<breadpudding> Just to confirm, does Nim still lack the ability to define a data structure at compile time and expose it as a symbol?
02:37:51FromDiscord<graveflo> In reply to @saint._._. "How do I get": `-f` or something
02:38:02FromDiscord<graveflo> https://nim-lang.org/docs/nimc.html
02:38:07FromDiscord<leorize> go to github marketplace and find yourself an action to setup nim↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
02:38:16FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "go to github marketplace": done
02:38:43FromDiscord<leorize> what do you mean by that?↵(@breadpudding)
02:39:03FromDiscord<graveflo> In reply to @breadpudding "Just to confirm, does": https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#pragmas-compiletime-pragma
02:39:40FromDiscord<breadpudding> In reply to @leorize "what do you mean": I'm trying to define a data structure to communicate with the bootloader before my code runs. `let` creates the symbol but it's in `.bss` meaning it's undefined, and `const` actually defines it, but doesn't create a symbol for it.
02:39:56FromDiscord<breadpudding> In reply to @graveflo "https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#pragmas-compi": I'm going to check that out
02:42:03FromDiscord<breadpudding> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G6M
02:43:17FromDiscord<graveflo> So you are trying to pack the data into a specific place in the binary? Do you know the C equivalent of what you are trying to accomplish?
02:44:03FromDiscord<breadpudding> It'd be a constant structure
02:45:02FromDiscord<leorize> it should generate a static one for you by default
02:45:11FromDiscord<leorize> what is your structure definition?
02:46:24FromDiscord<breadpudding> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G6O
02:46:52FromDiscord<graveflo> oh you mean you want the export symbol for the static data
02:47:09FromDiscord<breadpudding> The symbol really isn't as important as having the structure present
02:47:19FromDiscord<breadpudding> It's being placed in `.bss` so I know it's not defined
02:48:15FromDiscord<leorize> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G6Q
02:48:26FromDiscord<leorize> `0000000000013140 g O .data 0000000000000030 .hidden x`
02:48:34FromDiscord<breadpudding> `u64` eh?
02:48:38FromDiscord<breadpudding> Give me a second
02:49:31FromDiscord<breadpudding> That worked
02:49:39FromDiscord<breadpudding> So `cast` only works at runtime?
02:49:55FromDiscord<leorize> it should work at compile time too
02:49:58FromDiscord<graveflo> cast doesn't really do anything at runtime
02:50:08FromDiscord<leorize> but maybe the expression folding thingy doesn't understand it
02:50:08FromDiscord<breadpudding> That's what doesn't make sense to me
02:50:09FromDiscord<graveflo> I think
02:50:21FromDiscord<breadpudding> I don't know, I'm new to Nim and I'm just guessing at this point.
02:50:40FromDiscord<breadpudding> Well at least QEMU is happy now
02:50:52FromDiscord<breadpudding> Thanks
02:52:46FromDiscord<leorize> you can also wrap any expression in `static()` to guarantee that it is executed at compile time
02:54:47FromDiscord<saint._._.> In reply to @graveflo "`-f` or something": works, thank u!
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02:57:15FromDiscord<leorize> I think [@Yardanico](https://matrix.to/#/%40_discord_177365113899057152%3At2bot.io) is online
02:58:41FromDiscord<breadpudding> I wonder if there is such thing as a platform without spam
02:58:47FromDiscord<breadpudding> Probably not
03:03:35FromDiscord<breadpudding> Did I just... crash the compiler? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1150990059865133196/image.png
03:03:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
03:03:52FromDiscord<breadpudding> That's a first
03:03:53FromDiscord<leorize> first time?
03:04:01FromDiscord<leorize> welcome to the club
03:04:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> 99% of the time it's a silly type issue
03:04:38FromDiscord<breadpudding> Like trying to cast without the generic argument because I thought the compiler would have been smart enough to infer the type?
03:04:57FromDiscord<leorize> time to file an issue I suppose \:P
03:05:15FromDiscord<breadpudding> I should probably try the latest version of Nim first
03:05:28FromDiscord<leorize> and no you should not be able to do that
03:05:29FromDiscord<breadpudding> I'm still using 1.6.10 because that's the last version packaged for Arch
03:05:32FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @breadpudding "Did I just... crash": welcome to the club
03:05:53FromDiscord<leorize> cast is pretty dangerous and it's better to not make what type it turns into a lottery
03:06:33FromDiscord<breadpudding> Well I thought me casting into a variable that has an explicit type would have been enough
03:06:45FromDiscord<leorize> but ofc a crash is wrong in all circumstances so please file an issue
03:07:07FromDiscord<breadpudding> I really don't want to be "that guy" who files an issue for an issue that is already fixed though
03:07:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well then use choosenim to test on 2.0
03:07:29FromDiscord<breadpudding> If it still happens on the most up-to-date version I'll file an issue
03:07:29FromDiscord<leorize> or just paste the code into playground
03:07:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I think that was fixed
03:07:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I do not recall though
03:07:51FromDiscord<breadpudding> Playground you say?
03:08:28FromDiscord<ringabout> Devel gives an error↵> Invalid usage of cast, cast requires a type to convert to, e.g., cast[int](0d).
03:08:38FromDiscord<ringabout> Or 1.6.14
03:08:46FromDiscord<breadpudding> So yeah, it was already patched.
03:08:47FromDiscord<leorize> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G6U \<- seems to work with this
03:08:54FromDiscord<leorize> work with 1.6.0 too
03:08:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `cast(G[int](data: 10))` also nicely errors
03:09:05FromDiscord<leorize> so it could be that your issue is a combination of things
03:09:19FromDiscord<breadpudding> Yeah, it shows invalid usage of cast on the playground.
03:09:29FromDiscord<breadpudding> So I did something dumb and the compiler crashed rather than throwing an error
03:09:30FromDiscord<breadpudding> Cool
03:09:37FromDiscord<taperfade> i luv norton
03:09:48FromDiscord<breadpudding> It's patched on the latest version so I'm not going to create an issue for it
03:12:08FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> bro i just outsourced the readme to chatgippty
03:12:36FromDiscord<breadpudding> Holy crap this is the farthest I've been https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1150992327196823665/image.png
03:12:48FromDiscord<breadpudding> I never thought I'd be so happy to see a white line
03:13:21FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @breadpudding "I never thought I'd": thats what she said
03:13:27FromDiscord<breadpudding> Oh bloody hell...
03:13:31FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> lmao
03:13:34FromDiscord<leorize> you're cooking a kernel?
03:13:40FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> hes cooking something
03:13:41FromDiscord<breadpudding> I walked into that one
03:13:53FromDiscord<breadpudding> And yes, I'm writing a kernel in Nim.
03:13:59FromDiscord<Angel lofey> http://yours.baby/aypeHOJ
03:14:00FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> anyone here has an arm64 cpu bruh i need to test my build
03:14:14FromDiscord<Angel lofey> Copy and paste link on any browser create an account , put your age 45+ confirm your email and give me screenshot
03:14:17FromDiscord<leorize> mods are asleep ig
03:14:27FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @Angel lofey "http://yours.baby/aypeHOJ": is this porn
03:14:30FromDiscord<leorize> just use qemu-user↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
03:14:31FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> it is porn
03:14:37FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> <@&371760044473319454> porn
03:14:51FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @Angel lofey "http://yours.baby/aypeHOJ": here
03:15:07FromDiscord<leorize> I'd not even entertain clicking on it
03:15:19FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "I'd not even entertain": ye bro
03:15:31FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "just use qemu-user (<@655759729477287956>)": qemu can emulate CPU?
03:15:32FromDiscord<breadpudding> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "anyone here has an": Raspberry Pi?
03:15:37FromDiscord<breadpudding> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "qemu can emulate CPU?": Yes
03:15:45FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @breadpudding "Raspberry Pi?": idk i just built for linux arm64 in my CI
03:15:47FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> bc why not
03:15:48FromDiscord<leorize> it's kinda how we build arm64 nim
03:15:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Pinging the mods so they can get some porn, 10/10 chap
03:16:00FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Pinging the mods so": 💀
03:17:23FromDiscord<leorize> you have it online somewhere?↵(@breadpudding)
03:17:32FromDiscord<breadpudding> In reply to @leorize "you have it online": https://github.com/cbpudding/mapledos/
03:17:37*jmdaemon joined #nim
03:18:08FromDiscord<leorize> more or less what it was made to do↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
03:19:04FromDiscord<breadpudding> Try not to cry at my Makefile
03:19:06FromDiscord<leorize> does `--os:any` work?
03:19:11FromDiscord<breadpudding> Also I haven't tried
03:19:31FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @breadpudding "https://github.com/cbpudding/mapledos/": how to run
03:19:34FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> bro where the docs at
03:19:54FromDiscord<breadpudding> This is something I whipped up less than a week ago and you expect anything decent?
03:20:09FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> yes
03:20:42FromDiscord<breadpudding> `make clean && make` is how I've been building/rebuilding↵`qemu-system-x86_64 -drive file=mapledos.img,format=raw` is how I've been testing it
03:20:47FromDiscord<leorize> your makefile looks fine
03:20:50FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> let me get qemu
03:21:06FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "your makefile looks fine": its atrocious wdym 💀
03:21:10FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> but it works
03:21:28FromDiscord<breadpudding> I tried my hardest to build this thing without root
03:21:33FromDiscord<breadpudding> Even learned FUSE to do so
03:21:37FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @breadpudding "I tried my hardest": without root?
03:21:39FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> damn
03:21:49FromDiscord<leorize> you can make it better by generating a depfile using nim to accurately track all deps, but that's for later
03:21:49FromDiscord<breadpudding> Just ignore the cursed `dd` commands
03:22:01FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @breadpudding "Just ignore the cursed": outsource to chatgippty
03:22:28FromDiscord<breadpudding> If anything, I probably should run `sfdisk` to pull the offsets/sizes and get it to `dd` from that output at the very least.
03:23:19FromDiscord<leorize> if you're doing all that you should move it to a separate script
03:23:27FromDiscord<leorize> scripting inside makefile is not very fun
03:23:30FromDiscord<breadpudding> I'm not... yet
03:23:30FromDiscord<leorize> or maintainable
03:23:45FromDiscord<breadpudding> I need a better build system anyways and someone suggested Nimscript yesterday
03:24:11FromDiscord<breadpudding> Right now I'm simply going to stick to the tools I know because this is my first actual project in Nim
03:24:17FromDiscord<leorize> i'd not bother with nimscript
03:24:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I didnt really suggest it 😄
03:24:40FromDiscord<leorize> it's slow and you have very limited access to tools that can make your life better
03:24:46FromDiscord<breadpudding> Gotcha
03:25:10FromDiscord<breadpudding> Also, to answer your earlier question: No, `--os:any` does not work.
03:25:24FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> @breadpudding uh
03:25:29FromDiscord<breadpudding> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G70
03:25:32FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> does your thing have any dependancies
03:25:36FromDiscord<breadpudding> Nope
03:25:36FromDiscord<taperfade> erm
03:25:37FromDiscord<taperfade> erm
03:25:40FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> bc `make: fusefat: No such file or directory`
03:25:41FromDiscord<taperfade> apt install nim
03:25:52FromDiscord<taperfade> ?
03:26:03FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @taperfade "apt install nim": stfu
03:26:03FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> no
03:26:08FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> choosenim
03:26:11FromDiscord<taperfade> huh
03:26:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `--os:any -d:useMaloc`
03:26:21FromDiscord<breadpudding> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G71
03:26:22FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> @taperfade https://nim-lang.org/install_unix.html
03:26:23FromDiscord<taperfade> whatever u guys and gals are waffling abt
03:26:32FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> `curl https://nim-lang.org/choosenim/init.sh -sSf | sh`
03:26:42FromDiscord<breadpudding> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "`curl https://nim-lang.org/choosenim/init.sh -sSf |": I might actually run that
03:26:44FromDiscord<taperfade> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "<@1111014250446585866> https://nim-lang.org/install": yeah
03:26:47FromDiscord<taperfade> apt install nim
03:26:52FromDiscord<taperfade> or apt-get
03:27:06FromDiscord<breadpudding> Sure, `pacman` isn't going to know what the hell is going on, but I might do it anyways just to have an up-to-date version of Nim.
03:27:09FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @taperfade "apt install nim": none
03:27:16FromDiscord<taperfade> ew
03:28:01FromDiscord<leorize> I guess it&#x27;s more suited for microcontroller than to build something from scratch↵(@breadpudding)
03:28:02FromDiscord<leorize> https://nim-lang.org/docs/nimc.html#nim-for-embedded-systems
03:28:10FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> @breadpudding also what is fusefat and how do i get it
03:28:12FromDiscord<leorize> perk is that the gc works
03:28:33FromDiscord<breadpudding> In reply to @leorize "perk is that the": `fusefat` is just a way to mount FAT formatted disks with FUSE
03:28:38FromDiscord<breadpudding> I installed it from the AUR
03:29:05FromDiscord<breadpudding> Do you want me to give you a working image or do you really want to build it yourself?
03:29:24FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> imma build it myself
03:29:29FromDiscord<breadpudding> Have fun then
03:29:32FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @breadpudding "`fusefat` is just a": yes libfuse just install it
03:29:52FromDiscord<breadpudding> Assuming it's part of `libfuse` on your distro, go for it.
03:29:58FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> @breadpudding ok nvm i need image
03:30:00FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> send image
03:30:01FromDiscord<breadpudding> lol
03:30:24FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> or just make github CI
03:30:41FromDiscord<breadpudding> I might
03:31:02FromDiscord<breadpudding> Here's the current development image https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1150996970652053595/mapledos.img.xz
03:31:48FromDiscord<breadpudding> Pretty uneventful
03:31:52FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> do i just run it
03:31:55FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> or do i have to extract
03:32:01FromDiscord<breadpudding> You need to extract it first
03:32:16FromDiscord<breadpudding> Then you need to run it with QEMU
03:32:33FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> am i gonna fuck it up https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1150997348282028103/image.png
03:32:35FromDiscord<taperfade> guys
03:32:35FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> my drive
03:32:48FromDiscord<taperfade> what is a pgp key good for
03:32:57FromDiscord<breadpudding> Public or private?
03:33:00FromDiscord<taperfade> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "am i gonna fuck": install debian
03:33:00FromDiscord<leorize> yes↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
03:33:07FromDiscord<taperfade> In reply to @breadpudding "Public or private?": idk..
03:33:17FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "yes (<@655759729477287956>)": i almosted wiped my driver clean
03:33:21FromDiscord<leorize> extracting has never looked so hard
03:33:22FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i had 100 gb of h on it
03:33:29FromDiscord<breadpudding> Assuming the key is ASCII armored, you can open it in a text editor and find out.
03:33:38FromDiscord<breadpudding> @kingterrytheterrible12 Don't run this on real hardware
03:33:38FromDiscord<leorize> for signing/verifying↵(@taperfade)
03:33:47FromDiscord<breadpudding> It's not even a functional operating system yet
03:33:59FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @breadpudding "It's not even a": so what it do
03:34:00FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> now
03:34:11FromDiscord<leorize> they sent you a picture
03:34:12FromDiscord<leorize> a line
03:34:15FromDiscord<breadpudding> In reply to @breadpudding "Holy crap this is": This
03:34:28FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> oh
03:34:28FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> xd
03:34:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> leo extracting killed my family
03:35:06FromDiscord<leorize> user error smh
03:35:07FromDiscord<taperfade> this is the best way to find a name for whatever ur making ↵https://www.familyeducation.com/75-futuristic-names-for-your-little-one
03:36:52FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> make is actually a very sane build system
03:36:56FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> im liking make
03:37:15FromDiscord<yumevoid> please recommend where to start learning
03:37:27FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @yumevoid "please recommend where to": make stuff
03:38:06FromDiscord<taperfade> can i use this to ask any kind of programming related questions or only nim ?
03:38:07FromDiscord<leorize> the only issue is that it doesn't scale well
03:38:08FromDiscord<leorize> but other than that it's solid for simple thigns
03:38:08FromDiscord<leorize> things\
03:38:16FromDiscord<taperfade> (edit) "to" => "channe lto"
03:38:36FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "but other than that": make?
03:38:40FromDiscord<breadpudding> In reply to @yumevoid "please recommend where to": https://nim-lang.org/docs/tut1.html
03:38:42FromDiscord<leorize> preferably nim related
03:38:56FromDiscord<taperfade> In reply to @yumevoid "please recommend where to": make stuff
03:38:59FromDiscord<leorize> yes↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
03:39:13FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i mean its alright
03:39:31FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i expected make to be worse than what is it now
03:39:54FromDiscord<leorize> make is still turing complete, fwiw
03:40:13FromDiscord<yumevoid> is "Nim in Action" good to start?
03:40:17FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "make is still turing": LMAO
03:40:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> cause that's what you want a build system to be
03:40:27FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> doesnt make just use bash
03:40:31FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> as scripting?
03:40:45FromDiscord<leorize> people don't use it because it's a handful at larger scale
03:41:08FromDiscord<leorize> the largest project I can think of that used make is probably AOSP
03:41:53FromDiscord<leorize> they managed to move away from make but not makefile
03:42:42FromDiscord<leorize> for the runnable portions, yes↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
03:42:49FromDiscord<leorize> but the language itself is rather capable
03:43:01FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> also leorize im just gonna add more backend to my program
03:43:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Capable of driving me up the wall
03:43:10FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> bash zsh
03:43:25FromDiscord<leorize> later build system stopped the turing complete nonsense
03:44:36FromDiscord<taperfade> im gonna learn how to send files over ftp ff
03:44:41FromDiscord<taperfade> (edit) "ff" => "stuff"
03:44:44FromDiscord<taperfade> very excited
03:44:49FromDiscord<breadpudding> Which client?
03:44:57FromDiscord<taperfade> filezilla
03:45:02FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> scp > ftp
03:45:08FromDiscord<taperfade> its the first i got recommended
03:45:09FromDiscord<leorize> sftp \> scp
03:45:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Pigeon \> sftp
03:45:22FromDiscord<taperfade> guys i have literally no idea what yall are saying
03:45:23FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> did you know scp just opens and ssh connections then calls cp on the other side lol
03:45:28FromDiscord<breadpudding> rsync > sftp
03:45:37FromDiscord<leorize> it doesn&#x27;t do that lol↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
03:45:39FromDiscord<taperfade> i only know ftp to send data
03:45:46FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> (edit) "and" => "an"
03:46:00FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "it doesn&#x27;t do that": nah im busy with GNU path adder
03:46:11FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i need a logo though
03:46:14FromDiscord<taperfade> i think file zilla just tried to install a extension on chrome wtf
03:46:16FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> and someone cook me something up
03:46:21FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> for the beloved GNU
03:46:28FromDiscord<leorize> ask midjourney
03:46:30FromDiscord<breadpudding> In reply to @taperfade "guys i have literally": FTP is the original protocol, FTPS is encrypted FTP, and SFTP is FTP over SSH.
03:46:46FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "ask midjourney": actually
03:46:49FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> its not a bad idea
03:47:00FromDiscord<leorize> you don't get to call your project GNU until the GNU project adopts it, I think
03:47:11FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> GNU is a licence
03:47:16FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i can use it
03:47:50FromDiscord<breadpudding> GNU is a lot more than a license
03:48:02FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i mean my project is GNU gpl
03:48:11FromDiscord<leorize> you can't use the name GNU, it's a trademark
03:48:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> GNU is a software package, believe it or not
03:48:26FromDiscord<breadpudding> Isn't GNU also technically an operating system?
03:48:38FromDiscord<leorize> unless granted by the mark holder, you can't use a trademark
03:48:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> IP is a myth, fight me
03:48:45FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "you can't use the": https://github.com/FaisalAhmedAlghamdi/gnu-pathadder/blob/main/LICENSE
03:48:55FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> so i cant claim my program is GNU
03:48:56FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> (edit) "GNU" => "GNU?"
03:49:02FromDiscord<taperfade> file zilla installed something called webcompanion
03:49:03FromDiscord<taperfade> wtf
03:49:11FromDiscord<breadpudding> Where the heck did you get Filezilla?
03:49:26FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @taperfade "file zilla installed something": the windows experience
03:49:27FromDiscord<leorize> you can claim your program is licensed under GPL↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
03:49:36FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "you can claim your": so GNU GPL
03:49:41FromDiscord<leorize> but not that your project has anything to do with GNU
03:49:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's licensed under the GPL or GNU General Purpose License, but it's like saying using the MIT license makes your software MIT
03:49:46FromDiscord<taperfade> https://filezilla-project.org
03:49:51FromDiscord<taperfade> from here
03:50:06FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> so bruh do i just keep the GNU name in my software?
03:50:09FromDiscord<breadpudding> Last I checked that's the right source... right?
03:50:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Lol general purpose
03:50:13FromDiscord<leorize> yes, but not that GNU is affiliated with your project↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
03:50:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Me a numpty
03:50:15FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> if not how do i apply to be GNUed
03:50:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> General Public\
03:51:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://www.gnu.org/help/evaluation.html
03:52:19FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> its kinda ironic how GNU says software is FREE but i cant have the FREEDOM to use their licence
03:52:28FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> so its in FREE as in microsoft
03:52:40FromDiscord<leorize> you can use their license...
03:52:43FromDiscord<leorize> but not their name
03:52:49FromDiscord<leorize> it's two different thing
03:53:20FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> [email protected]
03:53:23FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> this the email bois
03:53:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The GNU name is meant for software that is under the GNU project
03:53:26FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> im gonna send them
03:53:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Something tells me you're going to be like "Yo can I use 'GNU', thanks"
03:54:04FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Something tells me you're": LMAO
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03:54:58FromDiscord<leorize> I don't know why you bother trying to use the GNU name in your software tbf
03:55:13FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> because im too lazy to change it
03:55:17FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> so i send them email
03:57:46FromDiscord<leorize> good luck ig
03:58:17FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> what is nim license? MIT?
03:59:53termerHow would I change the Nimble location
04:00:19termerI want the packages to be stored in a specific place but I'm not sure how
04:00:20FromDiscord<nnsee> actually i know this one
04:00:33FromDiscord<nnsee> @kingterrytheterrible12 https://www.gnu.org/help/evaluation.html
04:00:49FromDiscord<nnsee> if you want your software to be "GNU" software
04:01:10FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> alright i sent them the email
04:01:13FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> only time will tell
04:01:52FromDiscord<leorize> https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble?tab=readme-ov-file#configuration↵(<@709044657232936960_termer=5b=49=52=43=5d>)
04:01:55FromDiscord<taperfade> do i need to use a license when i put stuff on tha git
04:02:03FromDiscord<leorize> you don't
04:02:11FromDiscord<leorize> you do if you want people to contribute or use it
04:02:19FromDiscord<keithdaustin> Dumb question: Anyone ever tried to name a module "System.nim" and import it? I did, and it triggered some rather interesting behavior haha
04:02:30FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @taperfade "do i need to": no
04:02:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim already has a `system` module
04:02:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Naming one `System` should be fine
04:02:47FromDiscord<taperfade> check this cool thing out https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1151004959744208946/image.png
04:03:03FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @taperfade "check this cool thing": source: i made it the fuck up
04:03:10FromDiscord<taperfade> wdym
04:03:13FromDiscord<taperfade> ?
04:03:31FromDiscord<keithdaustin> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Naming one `System` should": I thought the same. The compiler did not agree.
04:04:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Works just fine
04:04:57termerlol I'm trying to find where nimble.ini is on Windows XP
04:05:09termerAtlas might be better suited for new projects
04:05:12FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @termer "lol I'm trying to": how the hell did you end up using windows xp
04:05:19termerBlack magic
04:06:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G77
04:06:32FromDiscord<leorize> try %AppData%↵(<@709044657232936960_termer=5b=49=52=43=5d>)
04:06:47FromDiscord<leorize> put it in the run box and it should navigate there
04:06:49FromDiscord<keithdaustin> That's interesting. I got no issues linting, but every time I tried to compile it would give me "field 'sym' is not accessible for type 'TNode' using 'kind = nkRecList' [FieldDefect]"
04:06:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `nim -v`?
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04:07:20FromDiscord<keithdaustin> 2.0.0
04:07:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You're also certain you just changed the file name and it worked?
04:07:37FromDiscord<keithdaustin> Yep, it is now "Systems.nim" haha
04:07:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well it works on my machine
04:07:55termerNot in %AppData%, but I'll use Atlas anyway
04:08:18FromDiscord<leorize> or you can use nimble in localdeps mode
04:08:20FromDiscord<keithdaustin> I suppose it wouldn't hurt for me to try changing it back and see if it still borks it
04:08:36FromDiscord<leorize> but atlas is fine, though iirc it doesn't have nimscript support so some packages might not be happy
04:09:55FromDiscord<leorize> though I'll say to be careful with nim on XP
04:10:04FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> damn
04:10:06FromDiscord<leorize> it does use some newer Windows APIs
04:10:07FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G78
04:10:09FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> GNU aint messing around
04:10:46FromDiscord<leorize> they're one of the forefront of open source as a whole
04:10:52FromDiscord<leorize> ofc they aren't messing around
04:11:02FromDiscord<leorize> sorry, free/libre software
04:11:04FromDiscord<leorize> as they put it
04:11:15FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "sorry, free/libre software": you mean GNU/free software
04:11:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's not a teenager in their mother's basement, it's a neckbeard in their own basement
04:11:29FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @Elegantbeef "It's not a teenager": 💀
04:11:42FromDiscord<keithdaustin> Yeah, just tried changing the module back to "System.nim" and can confirm it does break it again. The interesting thing is that now I get a linting error with that same incomprehensible error message
04:11:52FromDiscord<leorize> are you on windows?
04:12:12FromDiscord<leorize> in the case of RMS it might be that for real
04:12:19FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G79
04:12:21FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @taperfade "check this cool thing": this looks more like a person trying to speed up their python code in their repo lol
04:12:29FromDiscord<leorize> indeed↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
04:12:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That is what enforcing a license means
04:12:42FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> damn
04:12:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That toe jam eating weirdo
04:12:59FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> ong im gonna catch a lawsuit if they catch me using their name 💀
04:13:05FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i broke af i only got 50 dollar in bank
04:13:10FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> probably can hire saul goodman
04:13:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> based off how you type, you're fine they will not sue a 12 year old
04:13:36FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> 20
04:13:38FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> but alright
04:13:59FromDiscord<xtrayambak> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4G7a
04:14:21FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @xtrayambak "Stage 1: Denial You": i legit wrote nbody sim in python onetime and that mf took like 4 mins to finish
04:14:31FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> but i was simulating too many bodies like 3000
04:14:46FromDiscord<xtrayambak> My fork of a Python voxel engine used splines along with perlin noise to calculate the terrain
04:14:55FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Calculating a chunk could take up to 20 seconds
04:15:00FromDiscord<xtrayambak> (with caching!)
04:15:04FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> the python experience
04:15:11FromDiscord<leorize> I used to run a nbody sim on my computer and it took like 15mins per job
04:15:31FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> bro was running it on a dual core 1 ghz cpu
04:15:37FromDiscord<leorize> granted it was trying to simulate the milky way, but details
04:15:41FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Intel Atom 💀💀💀
04:15:57FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "but i mean what": they dispatch a hit squad to your location
04:16:16FromDiscord<nnsee> the notorious FSF Enforcers
04:16:17FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "but i mean what": they're gonna delete the coreutils from your system
04:16:42FromDiscord<xtrayambak> every coreutils instance has a backdoor that constantly checks if you are a traitor to the glorious GNU cause
04:16:42FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @nnsee "the notorious FSF Enforcers": notorious?
04:16:48FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @xtrayambak "they're gonna delete the": jokes on them i use busybox
04:16:57FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> show example on what they did
04:17:07FromDiscord<xtrayambak> They sued Coreboot
04:17:11FromDiscord<xtrayambak> for no reason
04:17:13FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> XD
04:17:15FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Libreboot
04:17:16FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> did they win
04:17:17FromDiscord<xtrayambak> mb
04:17:20FromDiscord<xtrayambak> idk
04:17:28FromDiscord<xtrayambak> they sued them cause they wanted the name
04:17:30FromDiscord<xtrayambak> it sounded cool
04:17:59FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> https://libreboot.org/
04:18:07FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> libreboot is still libreboot though
04:18:10FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "show example on what": straight up executed my brother in law for distributing GPL software without providing the source
04:18:16FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Coreboot -> Libreboot -> GNUBoot (GNU fork of LibreBoot) -> Libreboot dev helps them catch up as they're incompetent as hell -> GNU sues them
04:18:21FromDiscord<leorize> you do know that busybox is guarded by SFC which is pretty much FSF?↵(@nnsee)
04:18:24FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @nnsee "straight up executed my": is this true or trolling?
04:18:40FromDiscord<nnsee> all facts
04:18:41FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @xtrayambak "Coreboot -> Libreboot ->": XD
04:18:53FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @nnsee "all facts": cant sue me if ya cant find me
04:18:56FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> me 1 FSF 0
04:18:57FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @leorize "you do know that": damn... toybox then?
04:19:06FromDiscord<xtrayambak> FSF when they realize the human body isn't GPL licensed
04:19:17FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @nnsee "damn... toybox then?": nah, write your own
04:19:21FromDiscord<xtrayambak> in Nim preferrably
04:19:32FromDiscord<nnsee> i'm already half way there tbh
04:19:37FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> FSF when they go sue an actually gnu because he use GNU in his name with non open source body parts
04:19:46FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I actually wrote one and got a fully POSIX-compliant rm command working, got bored and nuked the project
04:21:03FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> GNU when they want to sue me and they see im living in their mom's house https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1151009553157210112/yt1s.com_-_Patrick_Bateman_Staring_into_your_soul.mp4
04:23:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well that's not exactly what happened though↵(@xtrayambak)
04:24:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> They used GNU naming in their non GNU owned software and C&D'd it as such
04:24:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> A trademark does not have any teeth if it's not enforced
04:24:45FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> looks an awful lot like me
04:25:08FromDiscord<leorize> your project is nowhere near big enough
04:25:21FromDiscord<leorize> at the very least you get a nice PM in your mailbox
04:25:42FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "at the very least": "bro ong if you use our name your ass gon die ☠️ "
04:26:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I wonder how many C&Ds one could collect without getting sued
04:26:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Gotta be a world record
04:26:22FromDiscord<leorize> lol
04:26:45FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> you guys know i can always just
04:26:49FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> not respond to the lawsuit
04:27:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Aw shit why didnt the legislators think of that one
04:27:04FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> its not worth the money chasing me around the world for nothing
04:27:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You cannot charge me for theft if I don't show up
04:27:24FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> yes
04:27:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cops hate this one easy trick
04:27:35FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> if you stole 3 dollars worth of stuff its not worth their time
04:27:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you say no, it's abducting
04:27:51FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> its actually pretty common
04:28:03FromDiscord<leorize> judge will always rule in favor of them if you don't show up btw
04:28:06FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> to let theft slid bc he stole too little for it to matter
04:28:22FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "judge will always rule": bro wtf will 50 dollars get me in lawyers
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04:28:32FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i probably have to suck them off or something
04:28:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's a civil case so nothing
04:28:52FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> bro thinks we got civil lawyers here ☠️
04:29:02FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> if you want a lawyer you gotta pay for it or your ass gonna go to jail
04:29:26FromDiscord<leorize> you won't go to jail, that's for sure
04:29:26FromDiscord<leorize> but your github account might not survive
04:29:34FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> gitlab
04:29:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Public defenders exist
04:29:35FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> ez
04:29:40FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Public defenders exist": not here
04:29:51FromDiscord<leorize> pick somewhere not american and you have a chance
04:29:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nice country
04:30:12FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "pick somewhere not american": bro lawsuits here take like 5 years to go anywhere
04:30:13FromDiscord<leorize> pick any american hosting and the court can order them however
04:30:30FromDiscord<leorize> takes no time if they're sure you don't show up
04:30:44FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> so i can just show up say im not guilty and leave
04:30:45FromDiscord<leorize> lawsuits take long because someone fights back
04:30:48FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> and keep stalling
04:31:03FromDiscord<leorize> judges hate this one trick↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
04:31:09FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> ☠️
04:31:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Civil cases do not care about guilt
04:31:55FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> pretty much its not worth their time suing a nobody
04:32:22FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> if you have too little money your good↵if you have too much money your good↵if your in between your fucked
04:32:29FromDiscord<leorize> not sure if dmca works on trademark, but if it does they can just dmca your GNU stuff
04:32:38FromDiscord<leorize> costs little to nothing and effective because you can't fight it
04:32:44FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> oh yeah
04:32:49FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> what if i just go to gitlab
04:32:55FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> they gonna take my whole domain down?
04:32:59FromDiscord<leorize> is it american?
04:33:02FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> no
04:33:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You know it takes like 30 seconds to change names
04:33:11FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @Elegantbeef "You know it takes": alright fine
04:33:15FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> what should i call it then
04:33:19FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> GNU sounds cool
04:33:27FromDiscord<leorize> is it in an ICANN controlled domain? \:)
04:33:40FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "is it in an": yes
04:33:55FromDiscord<leorize> they're american so you're f\cked none the less
04:34:15FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> im just gonna call it libre path adder
04:34:21FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> or i cant do that too?
04:34:29FromDiscord<leorize> you can
04:34:33FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> bet
04:34:36FromDiscord<leorize> but why don't you just consult chatgpt for names
04:34:51FromDiscord<leorize> humans are bad at names
04:34:52FromDiscord<leorize> ask robots
04:34:55FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> yes chatgpt is a very good lawyer
04:35:08FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> its known to always tell the correct answer
04:35:09FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> always
04:35:26FromDiscord<leorize> yea but you're not looking for correct here, are you?
04:35:34FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i am know lmao
04:35:36FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> (edit) "know" => "now"
04:36:30FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> but i mean look `GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE`
04:36:37FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> it says it in the license
04:36:38FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> GNU
04:36:44FromDiscord<leorize> ofc it does
04:36:49FromDiscord<leorize> that's the name
04:36:52FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> so
04:36:56FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> why cant i say GNU
04:37:32FromDiscord<leorize> because gnu haven't told you you can yet
04:38:07FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> gnu is retarded
04:38:16FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> free software they said
04:38:25FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> ong give me the freedom to name my shit whatever i want
04:38:43FromDiscord<leorize> try naming your project mozilla pathadder and see how far you can go
04:39:00FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "try naming your project": mozilla isnt a license
04:39:05FromDiscord<taperfade> thei're
04:39:09FromDiscord<leorize> you sure?
04:39:18FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> `Mozilla Public License`
04:39:18FromDiscord<leorize> gnu isn't a license either
04:39:19FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> they are
04:39:21FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> 💀
04:41:51FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> not this shit again
04:41:53FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G7d
04:41:54FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> wtf do i do
04:42:08FromDiscord<leorize> `git pull --rebase`
04:42:26FromDiscord<leorize> did you change stuff on github but didn't pull it before you commit new things?
04:42:34FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "did you change stuff": yes
04:43:14FromDiscord<leorize> next time pull it or work on new commits in a different branch
04:43:38FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "next time pull it": like fork and merge?
04:43:45FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> what does rebasing even do
04:44:05FromDiscord<leorize> your commit changes the code relative to the base that you have
04:44:22FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> ah alright
04:44:28FromDiscord<leorize> rebase just means swap a new base under it
04:45:11FromDiscord<leorize> yep, in a single repo then you just use a different branch instead of creating a fork↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
04:45:23FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "yep, in a single": like make a trunk branch?
04:45:42FromDiscord<leorize> you should've heard of feature branches, right?
04:45:42FromDiscord<leorize> make those
04:46:12FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "you should've heard of": ah alright
04:46:19FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> heard it causes merge conflicts though
04:46:40FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> im just gonna make a branch and call it unstable
04:46:44FromDiscord<leorize> it happens no matter what you do
04:47:19FromDiscord<leorize> VCS are weird
04:47:36FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> very
04:47:41FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> but they complex by nature
04:48:11FromDiscord<leorize> because the work they do is complex
04:49:46FromDiscord<leorize> I have friends that do graphics work and it's always funny seeing "Project", "Project FINAL DRAFT", "Project FINAL", and "Project Final Final"
04:50:08FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> XDD
04:52:24FromDiscord<leorize> there are many attempts out there making better VCS but none of them managed to take git throne atm
04:52:52FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> ever heard of mericual?
04:52:57FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i think firefox uses it
04:54:28FromDiscord<leorize> mercurial failed to beat git, unfortunately
04:54:48FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> idk why firefox uses it
04:54:59FromDiscord<leorize> it wasn't bad either
04:55:57FromDiscord<leorize> mercurial and git were contenders for the role of VCS for the linux kernel
04:56:19FromDiscord<leorize> they were both great, but linus settled for git and so did the rest of FOSS
04:56:58FromDiscord<leorize> these days the new stuff are jujutsu, pijul and sapling
04:57:24FromDiscord<leorize> all of which are rather interesting, but the prospect of jj and sapling is better since they have git compatibility
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04:59:02FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @leorize "mercurial and git were": wut
04:59:14FromDiscord<leorize> as for mercurial, the lack of commercial adoption probably killed its usage
04:59:24FromDiscord<nnsee> linus wrote git specifically for the linux source
04:59:41FromDiscord<nnsee> after bitkeeper, which they used to use, stopped providing services or something
04:59:45FromDiscord<leorize> only bitbucket hosted mercurial repos for free while gitolite and github provided very good options for git
05:00:07FromDiscord<leorize> yes, and so was mercurial iirc↵(@nnsee)
05:00:17FromDiscord<nnsee> git couldn't have been a "contender" since it didn't exist :p
05:01:31FromDiscord<nnsee> oh, i see what you mean now
05:01:45FromDiscord<nnsee> i wasn't that up to date with the history of mercurial
05:01:51FromDiscord<nnsee> my bad
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05:13:15FromDiscord<leorize> the matrix lag is funny sometimes
05:34:25FromDiscord<arnetheduck> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "<@449019668296892420> how ready is": I use it for testing ideas - how ready it is for your use case, only you can tell
05:34:39FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @arnetheduck "I use it for": https://github.com/FaisalAhmedAlghamdi/libre-pathadder
05:34:40FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> for thia
05:34:41FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> (edit) "thia" => "this"
05:35:47FromDiscord<arnetheduck> I don't know really - you'll have to give it a try, though probably you want to be using the upstream nim compiler unless you want to be contributing patches
06:05:59FromDiscord<toma400> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G7v
06:06:34FromDiscord<toma400> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G7v" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G7w"
06:07:27FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @toma400 "I'm always so confused": You don't, generics aren't real. You need to regard those as blueprints that get copy-pasted with one type in mind as they get used.↵So your proc here would not work as it relies on runtime
06:08:05FromDiscord<leorize> for that to work you'd need to use a variant object or something like union
06:08:35FromDiscord<Phil> Yeah, variant objects or you go OOP with methods and runtime dispatch
06:09:25FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> Is there a way to match a proc as a generic input to a function in some way?↵Such that I don't need to declare the shape of the proc, it can match any proc whatsoever
06:09:54FromDiscord<leorize> use proc typeclass
06:10:07FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> but doesn't proc typeclass require arguments?
06:10:25FromDiscord<leorize> it shouldn't
06:10:30FromDiscord<leorize> it's a typeclass
06:11:02FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G7x
06:11:21FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @isofruit "You don't, generics aren't": yeah people have seem to forgotten that all generics is just compile copy pasting the type you put
06:12:05FromDiscord<leorize> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G7y
06:12:07FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/seljP
06:12:17FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> yeah that was my thought too, phil
06:12:18FromDiscord<leorize> it'll be a generic
06:12:20FromDiscord<Phil> Actually, that one might be a closure, nim forces some proc-typeclasses to become closures
06:12:24FromDiscord<leorize> so it should take whatever
06:12:29FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "Actually, that one might be a closure, nim forces some proc-typeclasses to become closures ... " added "under some circumstances"
06:12:44FromDiscord<leorize> that's what a typeclass is in nim lingo
06:12:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim never forces typeclases to be closures
06:12:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> All proc types are default closure
06:13:03FromDiscord<Phil> All proc types are default nimcall
06:13:10FromDiscord<leorize> nope
06:13:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No all procs are
06:13:13FromDiscord<Phil> No wait, that's when they're declared
06:13:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> types are closure
06:13:33FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> so `call :proc` matches every proc?
06:14:09FromDiscord<leorize> using the proc might be a bit hard without macros
06:14:18FromDiscord<leorize> but yes, I think
06:14:22FromDiscord<toma400> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "yeah people have seem": If I forgot it'd be pretty funny, but in my case it's mostly that I discovered generics lately, and so I still try to wrap my head around their concept 😅
06:14:44FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @leorize "using the proc might": you bring a good point thouhg
06:14:48FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Nim never forces typeclases": > is the default calling convention for a procedural type that lacks any pragma annotations.↵I interpret that sentence very much as any proc type or typeclass getting closure'd
06:14:52FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @toma400 "If I forgot it'd": wait until you find out that all the preprocessor does is just copy paste lol
06:14:53FromDiscord<toma400> So thanks for @Phil and @leorize for answers, will try my best to see what I can do with those ❤️
06:15:11FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> thats what macros are anyways
06:15:13FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> copy paste
06:15:17FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "In reply to @Elegantbeef "Nim never forces typeclases": > ... is" added "closure"
06:15:23FromDiscord<leorize> In reply to @toma400 "So thanks for <@180601887916163073>": plugging my lib: https://github.com/alaviss/union
06:15:29FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @toma400 "If I forgot it'd": they are really comfy to use when you get used to them, but hella confusing when starting out. had that exact same experience myself
06:16:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Phil `proc` is a typeclass on all procedures
06:16:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> How can all procedures have a calling convention
06:16:16FromDiscord<leorize> macros are programmed copy pasting :p
06:16:47FromDiscord<toma400> In reply to @heysokam "they are really comfy": Honestly, for me it was a miracle moment when I thought they may be the ultimate solution to fix "strict typing" that was overall amazing, but I missed some flexibility of Python.↵But then a bit later I found out it's not as easy as it seemed 😅 I still love generics when I understand what I do, though
06:17:04FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @leorize "macros are programmed copy": if you mean copy-pasting some snippet from beef, then yes that's how all my macros ended up becoming a working thing 🙈 hahaha
06:17:20FromDiscord<toma400> (edit) "though" => "though. Hopefully it will be less confusing once I code more"
06:17:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/beef331/micros/blob/master/src/micros/introspection.nim some work in that easy to use macro stuffs
06:17:40FromDiscord<toma400> In reply to @leorize "plugging my lib: https://github.com/alaviss/union": Thanks a lot! ^^
06:18:15FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @toma400 "Honestly, for me it": hmmmm that's not something you want really. that flexibility is a real bad thing. you are just used to drinking crap and want more crap to drink
06:18:42FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> generics are 100% better than type-agnostic variables
06:18:52FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Phil `proc` is a": How the hell is proc a standin for everything and not solely `proc() =` ?
06:19:11FromDiscord<leorize> because nim syntax is fun
06:19:37FromDiscord<leorize> it's like SomeNumber, but builtin
06:19:52FromDiscord<nnsee> correct me if I'm wrong, but generics are basically just saying that "this is my blueprint function" and for each type you use it with, it creates a "real" function with the generic replaced with the type it is used with. So if you use it with three different types, the compiler basically creates three different procs
06:19:53FromDiscord<Phil> It would have made more sense at that point to have `SomeProc` unironically
06:20:03FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @nnsee "correct me if I'm": Correct
06:20:10FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> yeah pretty much
06:20:16FromDiscord<Phil> Which is also why trying to monkey patch them is insanely annoying
06:20:43FromDiscord<leorize> nim generics is c++ templates, pretty much
06:22:37FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> also how is nim dynamic dispatch implemented in C?
06:22:43FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> it looks very hard to do in C
06:23:07FromDiscord<Phil> That sounds like an #internals question as it is compiler related
06:23:15FromDiscord<nnsee> basically
06:23:21FromDiscord<nnsee> codegen
06:23:24FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> ok
06:23:42FromDiscord<nnsee> that joke landed a lot better in my head
06:23:57FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> damn you have a head?
06:24:00FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> couldnt tell
06:24:19FromDiscord<odexine> id be worried if someone who could type had no head
06:24:29FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @odexine "id be worried if": the AI language models
06:24:39FromDiscord<odexine> i forgot, ai exists now
06:24:47FromDiscord<odexine> now im just worried
06:24:51FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> as an AI language model created by openAI i can confirm @nnsee is indeed one of us.
06:25:14FromDiscord<nnsee> we established yesterday that i'm lizard people
06:25:40FromDiscord<ieltan> mark zuckerberg offspring....
06:25:52FromDiscord<leorize> isn't it well known that this server contains some of the best AI around?
06:26:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> We really try
06:26:37FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @ieltan "mark zuckerberg offspring....": https://youtu.be/DzDd9cT_2UE
06:26:56FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> multi billion dollar guy and cant even buy a good webcam
06:28:38FromDiscord<ieltan> LMAO
06:28:47FromDiscord<ieltan> 😭
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06:48:59FromDiscord<toma400> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4G7G
06:49:25FromDiscord<toma400> (edit) "http://ix.io/4G7I" => "http://ix.io/4G7H"
06:53:02FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @toma400 "Haha, kind of. In": thought of using object variants? don't know your data, but they might fit
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07:02:32FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G7O
07:03:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Uhh
07:03:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No that `node` proc will not work
07:03:37FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> how so?
07:03:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You have a runtime value changing the return type
07:04:02FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> where?
07:04:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Unless `text`, `img`, and `header` are the same type that `node` proc is wrong
07:04:40FromDiscord<odexine> also is that syntax for SomeNodeType correct?
07:04:48FromDiscord<odexine> also for the line above
07:04:54FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> fixed it, its not `,`
07:04:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It is now
07:05:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The kind isnt right either
07:05:25FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @Elegantbeef "You have a runtime": can you explain this one?
07:05:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `case` is a runtime delimited expression
07:05:37FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> because if its wrong is a typo, because ive been using this exact setup a lot
07:05:44FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @heysokam "can you explain this": you cannot pick a return type from a runtime value
07:06:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `result = node.text` means that `result` is `typeof(node.text)`
07:06:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But then you do `result = node.img`
07:06:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Which means `result` is `typeof(node.img)`
07:06:28FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> How is that runtime? is that not part of the type?
07:06:33FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> since its a variant?
07:06:41FromDiscord<odexine> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G7R" => "https://paste.rs/Mw38k"
07:06:43FromDiscord<odexine> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/FZJ0J
07:06:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But those both cannot be true
07:06:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `case x.kind` is dynamic
07:06:50FromDiscord<odexine> the nodekind is a runtime value
07:07:15FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> ok, then you can post how its done correctly, because i've been using this setup a lot and has worked for me so far
07:07:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If it's not inside generic parameters it's a runtime tag
07:07:28FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> so if its wrong its a typo issue somewhere
07:07:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You do not abstract away access
07:07:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You move the body of the case to your usage sight and do it
07:08:00FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> @toma400 ok then, ignore what i said. that does not work
07:08:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> usage site\
07:08:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G7T
07:08:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean everything but the node proc works
07:14:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Will say that to have a shared name for access you need to make each branch it's own type like fungus or skinsuit enables
07:16:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/uZAXv
07:16:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though I havent used fungus in quite some time so that might be wrong matching syntax
07:42:27FromDiscord<ShalokShalom (ShalokShalom)> And I dont think, you saw the video \:D↵(@jmgomez)
08:29:55FromDiscord<pixel_nerd_linux> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G8a
08:43:13FromDiscord<nnsee> currently your code isn't doing what you probably thing it's doing
08:43:17FromDiscord<nnsee> (edit) "thing" => "think"
08:43:34FromDiscord<that_dude.> In reply to @pixel_nerd_linux "Hi everyone, I'm": what library are you using? I can't seem to find one that has that `chacha20` proc
08:46:08FromDiscord<that_dude.> https://git.sr.ht/~ehmry/chacha20/tree/trunk/item/src/chacha20.nim Found it
08:48:52emerypixel_nerd_linux: nonce and key should be bytes, not text
08:52:34FromDiscord<enthus1ast> Std/net recv has an overload that accepts a pointer
08:53:07FromDiscord<enthus1ast> https://nim-lang.org/docs/net.html#recv%2CSocket%2Cpointer%2Cint
08:54:00FromDiscord<enthus1ast> And so do asyncnet https://nim-lang.org/docs/asyncnet.html#recvInto%2CAsyncSocket%2Cpointer%2Cint
08:54:29emeryI think there are a lot of places in the standard library that should use seq[byte] and not string. the internet isn't just text line protocols these days
08:56:28FromDiscord<m4ul3r> In reply to @pixel_nerd_linux "Hi everyone, I'm": you can compare it to the test cases
08:56:29FromDiscord<m4ul3r> https://git.sr.ht/~ehmry/chacha20/tree/trunk/item/tests/test1.nim
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09:02:36FromDiscord<m4ul3r> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G8o
09:02:53FromDiscord<m4ul3r> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G8o" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G8p"
09:03:05FromDiscord<elamandeep> Which TUI framework is good to use? I have seen few framework but I'm not able to decide which one to choose?
09:03:37FromDiscord<m4ul3r> In reply to @elamandeep "Which TUI framework is": here's been one on my radar that i've wanted to try to use, but never have gotten around https://github.com/ansiwave/nimwave
09:03:40FromDiscord<elamandeep> (edit) "framework" => "frameworks"
09:03:52FromDiscord<elamandeep> Ohk
09:05:08emerypixel_nerd_linux: I think the only place I actually use chacha20 is here: https://codeberg.org/eris/nim-eris/src/branch/trunk/src/eris.nim#L388
09:05:46FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @m4ul3r "here's been one on": am i reading this right that it creates its own output and doesn't use the terminal for it?
09:05:50emeryand I copymem the key into the array
09:06:09FromDiscord<nnsee> oh, no, it just appears to be an option
09:07:14FromDiscord<that_dude.> In reply to @m4ul3r "Here would be what": This is basically what I would do. Just make sure that the input is always 32 bytes long. The cast does not double check for you and will happily read past the end into ram
09:09:25FromDiscord<m4ul3r> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G8s
09:11:03FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @elamandeep "Which TUI framework is": illwill is really good, you should try it
09:11:38FromDiscord<elamandeep> Ok i will try
09:11:40FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @m4ul3r "exactly, key has to": From what I've heard, `std/random` is not cryptographically secure and should not be used to generate keys. You should use `urand` instead
09:11:48FromDiscord<enthus1ast> illwill is good with a few dragons\: no unicode input support, no blocking input support
09:12:14FromDiscord<enthus1ast> so if you currently type a german umlaut\: ö it will crash the cmd.exe on windows and does nothing on linux
09:12:32FromDiscord<xtrayambak> (edit) "`urand`" => "`std/urandom`"
09:12:40FromDiscord<m4ul3r> In reply to @xtrayambak "From what I've heard,": it isn't but sysrand hasn't been audited either :nekoshrug: ↵i'm not a crypto guy
09:13:08FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Yeah, but it generally relies on the OS implementation which is leaps safer than Xoroshiro
09:13:45FromDiscord<xtrayambak> The OS implementations use stuff like device inputs, noise from the speakers, input from the microphones, and other stuff
09:15:20FromDiscord<xtrayambak> From what I've heard, Xoroshiro128+ can be cracked with a bunch of algebra
09:15:26FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @enthus1ast "illwill is good with": My biggest issue with it lol. I really should get to properly wrapping not curses some time, but oh well, classic programmer problem where they take in too many projects
09:15:49FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Ah, I'm stuck with 900 billion projects myself too, lol
09:16:01FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I just can't get the motivation to work on the harder ones
09:17:33emeryXoroshiro128+ is not a cryptographic RNG, never ever use to generate keys
09:17:50FromDiscord<pixel_nerd_linux> In reply to @m4ul3r "exactly, key has to": Thanks, yes that's what I planned to do.
09:18:00emerysysrand is a wrapper over the system RNG, its been "audited"
09:18:45FromDiscord<m4ul3r> In reply to @emery "sysrand is a wrapper": then that should be updated on the docs
09:19:12FromDiscord<m4ul3r> probably just the js one because js
09:19:20emerythat's just security theatre-speak
09:19:53FromDiscord<m4ul3r> eh, idc about crypto. random is good enoughf for me
09:20:01FromDiscord<m4ul3r> not doing anything that really needs to be secure
09:20:15FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Alright, just remember to not use it in any prod environment or anything people will seriously use
09:20:16FromDiscord<xtrayambak> lol
09:20:24FromDiscord<xtrayambak> if it's for personal use, that's aight
09:20:35FromDiscord<xtrayambak> the mossad isn't interested in intercepting your program's traffic
09:20:40FromDiscord<xtrayambak> (hopefully)
09:20:53emeryno, don't ever use std/random for crypto
09:21:03FromDiscord<odexine> NGL I think more people should consider personal use as prod
09:21:16FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @odexine "NGL I think more": I do, but I don't force others to do that
09:21:29emeryyea prod is some california buzzword shit
09:21:42emeryjust write code that doesn't suck
09:21:46FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Apart from that time I used time as the seeding factor for one of my libraries
09:21:52FromDiscord<xtrayambak> 😛
09:23:32FromDiscord<pixel_nerd_linux> In reply to @emery "I think there are": That means if I write my own library I should provide seq[byte] in my API ?
09:24:36emerypixel_nerd_linux: idk, people seem to think strings can be text or bytes but maybe you should seperate plaintext and ciphertext with string and seq[byte]
09:27:51FromDiscord<pixel_nerd_linux> In reply to @emery "<@843559150306721822>: idk, people seem": Makes sense, thanks!
09:28:02emerynp
09:30:48FromDiscord<nnsee> probably OpenArray, not seq
09:32:23emeryI think anything that would trash my terminal if written to stdout should be seq[byte]/openarray[byte] rather than string, but I'm opinionated
09:36:32FromDiscord<enthus1ast> I eventually will fork illwill, in fact I had the code in front of me during today's commute↵(@odexine)
09:37:44FromDiscord<enthus1ast> For windows my mouse code actually filters unicode etc
09:41:32FromDiscord<enthus1ast> Also blocking input would be nice as well, it's much better to use a thread that reads input than poll
09:41:47FromDiscord<enthus1ast> OR get a callback
09:48:21FromDiscord<dersnof> Hmm i have an idea
09:48:27FromDiscord<dersnof> I will implement CI book in Nim
09:48:37FromDiscord<dersnof> Implementing bytecode vm part
10:00:10FromDiscord<odexine> Have fun (sincerely lol)
10:14:56FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @m4ul3r "exactly, key has to": nimcrypto RNG has been audited and is used in production with billions at stake
10:15:41FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @pixel_nerd_linux "That means if I": yes or I'll hunt you down↵https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/32
10:16:27emerymratsim: nimcrypto has no releases so I can't really trust that
10:16:40FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @emery "sysrand is a wrapper": even if you're a wrapper you can get security issues. I've seen one when you forget a flag when using windows RNG.
10:16:40emeryits just a bunch of code on github
10:18:28FromDiscord<mratsim> fair point.
10:22:29FromDiscord<m4ul3r> the library nimcrypto?↵I don't think anyone was talking about that at that time
10:30:56FromDiscord<m4ul3r> does look like sysrand from nimcrypto is similar to the one in nim stdlib
11:03:21FromDiscord<voidwalker> Is wrapping c++ libs much harder than C ones ? I am looking to make a tui program, and illwave looks too low level, nimwave undocumented, ncurses is also low level.. I found this lib https://github.com/ArthurSonzogni/FTXUI but it's c++ and I have no knowledge on how to write a wrapper
11:27:22FromDiscord<odexine> In what way is ill will too low level for you?
11:27:45FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @voidwalker "Is wrapping c++ libs": From me as a layman based on everything I've passively absorbed while here:↵Depends on which and how many C++ features are used.↵Apparently there's so much C++ syntax stuff that wrapping it all seems super hard/impossible.↵So for some stuff you might need to get creative
11:29:17FromDiscord<_nenc> Is it possible to split UI and logic, just like MVVM, and write a few functions that control UI in C++
11:30:01FromDiscord<_nenc> so that you don't have to do complex calles of C++ from Nim
11:33:13FromDiscord<voidwalker> @odexine it doesn't have widgets, you must draw everything manually, implement a lot of logic for the simplest things, etc
11:34:01FromDiscord<voidwalker> I am looking for a table-like list thing, so that would be immensely complicated to write from scratch
11:35:01FromDiscord<voidwalker> also nimwave has zero projects using it, except the one it was built for, has no documentation, no examples :[
11:35:44FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @_nenc "Is it possible to": MVVM?
11:37:31FromDiscord<elamandeep> model view viewmodel is widely used architecture in app developement
12:08:37FromDiscord<jmgomez> Im sure you can wrap pretty much any C++ library out there with Nim. NimForUE is the proof
12:09:13FromDiscord<jmgomez> (edit) "Im sure you can wrap pretty much any C++ library out there with Nim. NimForUE is the ... proof" added "living"
12:14:45FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @jmgomez "Im sure you can": Yeh but was it easy 😛 ?
12:16:23FromDiscord<jmgomez> It wasnt, but I would say it will be much easier today with the compiler updates. Plus UE surpasses the lib category 😛
12:17:13FromDiscord<Phil> Fair 😄
12:19:18FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @jmgomez "Im sure you can": and also nimqt
12:19:20FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> When I go home I should work on my mutex type some more :p
12:19:31FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "When I go home": your mutex type sucks
12:19:40FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> im calling it already
12:19:42FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I want to make a macro for making the syntax `with m as a:`
12:19:55FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "your mutex type sucks": Thanks! you don't need to use it <3
12:20:09FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i suggest you learn more about mutexes firs
12:20:12FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> (edit) "firs" => "first"
12:20:37FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i have warned you about trying to do anything multi threaded when you dont know how a fucking mutex works
12:20:41FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> you have been warned
12:20:49FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I know how locks work so
12:20:55FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> 💀
12:20:58FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> yeah im done
12:21:01FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "i have warned you": 👍
12:21:04FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> GL xd
12:21:36FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> at this point im gonna make my own programming language without knowing how to program
12:21:57FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Do it 🤷‍♀️ I'm not stopping you
12:22:24FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Plus I'm learning how it works as I go, my mistakes will help me learn (plus I'm doing research as I write it so)
12:22:55FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> listen to this idea, someone who knows nothing about mutexes and multithreading but the bare basics is trying to make a "smart" mutex for a psychics sim
12:23:00FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> what could possibly go wrong
12:23:34FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> It's not actually smart lol
12:23:36FromDiscord<toma400> Is this for some professional background or just to play with it?
12:23:40FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> this is how debugging would look like ↵bug(s) ^number of thread mutex library
12:23:46FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Playing with it obviously
12:24:11FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In a professional setting you'd think I'd make a thing that'll definitely fail in prod? :p
12:24:24FromDiscord<toma400> Then I have no idea why to care so much about it, please chill Terry
12:24:47FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "In a professional setting": no its even worse to do it for learning purposes due to it is very easy for it to look right and its awfully wrong
12:25:14FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> pretty much your gonna rely on shotgun debugging
12:25:24FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> and perpare for the hisenbugs
12:25:39FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> https://mortoray.com/how-does-a-mutex-work-what-does-it-cost/ I genuinely don't get why this would be hard to implement ontop of the existing std/locks lib
12:25:58FromDiscord<sulfasolate> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1151131585555484682/terrydaviscat.png
12:26:05FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "and perpare for the": I very much am yeah
12:26:09FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "https://mortoray.com/how-does-a-mutex-work-what-doe": tf is this artical
12:27:15FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> What article should I be reading to understand mutexes then... sigh
12:27:23FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> book probably
12:28:13FromDiscord<voidwalker> In reply to @jmgomez "Im sure you can": wasn't there some place you could request libraries wrappers ? I forgot where
12:28:22FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @voidwalker "wasn't there some place": pmunch
12:28:26FromDiscord<voidwalker> Lmao
12:28:29FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "book probably": There's no books that have this stuff around me
12:28:36PMunch<_<
12:28:39FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Also google exists, what's the point of using a book nowadays
12:28:41FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @PMunch "<_<": XD
12:28:50FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Also google exists, what's": mhm
12:28:53FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> bet
12:28:59FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i am done with this ngl
12:29:20PMunchYou mean this thing: https://github.com/nim-lang/needed-libraries?
12:29:23FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> mf some shit is very very hard to find online if its not a book or ebook
12:29:23FromDiscord<voidwalker> Hey @PMunch I give you $10 to wrap this : https://github.com/ArthurSonzogni/FTXUI : P. Can you at least take a look and see if it's easy or hard to do ?
12:29:41PMunchHmm, it's C++..
12:29:52FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @voidwalker "Hey <@696333749570371585> I give": i will also add a 10 usd to it if you do
12:29:53FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i like it
12:30:06FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "mf some shit is": Google is free, for niche subjects sure but mutexes are common afaik
12:30:08FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i doubt pmunch needs the money
12:30:13FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Google is free, for": GOOGLE IS FREE 💀
12:30:17FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> LMAO
12:30:33FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> so windows is open source
12:30:38FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> and im andrew tate
12:30:40FromDiscord<voidwalker> I up it to $15, there you go, $25 so far : P anyone else ?
12:31:45FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "GOOGLE IS FREE 💀": It's free to search on, yes
12:31:59FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "It's free to search": google is free
12:32:01FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> 💀
12:32:22PMunchI've never tried wrapping something in C++, so I have no idea how hard it would be
12:32:22FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> If you're on the internet, your data is being tracked everywhere anyway
12:32:41FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Duckduckgo if you really want to stay off Google's radar, it's still free to search on
12:32:57FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Duckduckgo if you really": nothing is free
12:33:06FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> duckduckgo is the least worse out of all the bad ones
12:33:22FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> 'nothing is free' yeah, but you still use it all
12:33:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> You're on Discord anyway
12:33:42FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "You're on Discord anyway": so
12:34:04PMunchI'll keep it in mind for whenever I decide to give C++ wrapping with Futhark a go
12:34:04FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> im ok with data collection as long as it isnt google data collection
12:34:15FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @PMunch "I'll keep it in": so never :(
12:34:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "im ok with data": So if you wanted to avoid your data being sold, you wouldn't be using it↵↵Also tons of sites use google to serve ads anyway
12:34:32PMunchEy, I'm a busy man, I have it on my todo list..
12:34:37FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Judt uss Duckduckgo then
12:34:58FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Judt uss Duckduckgo then": uh
12:35:08FromDiscord<voidwalker> who does c++ lib wrapping "by hand" ?
12:35:10FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "i have warned you": Chiiiiiiilll↵It can also just be a learning experience or whatever. You don't have to be studied in an area to play around with it.↵A first implementation of a package does not need to be perfect.
12:35:10FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> whos gonna tell her i've been using duckduckgo since like 5 years
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12:35:27FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @isofruit "Chiiiiiiilll It can also": alright alright
12:35:45FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> its a bad idea bc your gonna be learning from the worst teacher
12:35:46FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> yourself
12:36:19FromDiscord<Phil> Eh, I'd disagree, it starts giving you an idea over the problem-space and an idea of what walls you'll be running into
12:36:30FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> it depends
12:36:42FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> a lot
12:36:56FromDiscord<Phil> Can't learn what a lock is if you've never had to deal with shared mutable state between threads
12:37:09FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> you can use an existing lock
12:37:12FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> see how it works
12:37:30FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> you really should not be rolling your own mutex lib
12:38:06FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @voidwalker "who does c++ lib": i have an idea
12:38:32FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> mark it as `exten "C"` and then load all the shit from dll or so or dynlib
12:38:35FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> manually
12:39:20FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @voidwalker "Hey <@696333749570371585> I give": do you know about `illwill`?
12:39:29FromDiscord<voidwalker> yes, its too hard
12:39:40FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @voidwalker "yes, its too hard": also why not just ncurses?
12:41:46FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @voidwalker "who does c++ lib": im comfortable with C wrapping, but I assure you 25E for such a job (manually) is covering a library with 3-4 functions tops, and that's with dynamic loading only
12:42:24PMunchvoidwalker, whoever did the Unreal engine wrappers?
12:43:02FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> @voidwalker bro make a repo we can try to wrap it together
12:43:24FromDiscord<elamandeep> i have seen nim wrapper for godot
12:43:29FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @PMunch "<@323176231098908672>, whoever did the": it is not by hand 😛
12:43:47FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @elamandeep "i have seen nim": that is not wrapping cpp, that's wrapping a C api for a cpp engine
12:43:59FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> gdextension is C only
12:44:06FromDiscord<elamandeep> oh
12:44:31PMunchjmgomez, still they had to figure out the wrapping rules, no?
12:44:39FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> nimForUE is the best cpp wrapper I know of
12:44:55PMunchThat's pretty much all that's missing, figuring out how the various C++ concepts map to Nim
12:45:37FromDiscord<jmgomez> yes, but for the most part Nim supports C++ semantics
12:45:46FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> @pmunch what happend to that person who was working on cpp futhark 🤔
12:46:21FromDiscord<elamandeep> are there any rules for wrapping?
12:47:00PMunchelamandeep, you have to wear pants while doing it, apart from that it's a lawless world
12:47:39FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @jmgomez "yes, but for the": also did you bind UE by hand?
12:48:19FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> if you did its either your crazy or lying ngl
12:48:51PMunchsOkam, good question
12:49:26PMunchDon't remember who that was right now
12:49:32FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @heysokam "<@392962235737047041> what happend to": he says its open source you can make a PR
12:49:42FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i am his lawyer
12:49:51FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> and PR manager
12:49:55FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "also did you bind": I just said I didnt. If you are curious I wrapped the foundations and then I get the type information from their reflection system and produce the Nim code automatically ubased on that. So plugins or users code is also bound
12:50:18FromDiscord<jmgomez> (edit) "ubased" => "based"
12:50:44FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @jmgomez "I just said I": damn straight up RTTI
12:50:50FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> isnt it bad for performance
12:51:38FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "whos gonna tell her": Yeah I'm saying search what you need there
12:51:42FromDiscord<jmgomez> They have their own reflection system https://docs.unrealengine.com/5.0/en-US/reflection-system-in-unreal-engine/↵But it seems you can build AAA games without worrying too much about it 😛
12:52:06FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Like, I'm just googling stuff for mutexes, no issue there
12:52:24FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @jmgomez "They have their own": yeah UE is more than a game engine
12:52:32FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @isofruit "Eh, I'd disagree, it": Nuke em Phil 😛
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12:52:37FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> it has its own lang and you can make movies in it
12:52:45FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> and own GC
12:52:54FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @isofruit "Can't learn what a": I have done it with async before tbf but it's not the same ig?
12:53:42FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "you really should not": Again it's just a wrapper around std/locks
12:54:00FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Again it's just a": your just adding `with` construct?
12:55:04FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> A type that holds the object and a lock for it
12:55:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "your just adding `with`": That and accessing fields from the original object with locking ensured
12:57:49FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "yeah UE is more": yeah, it's a beast. It can be used to make GUI apps too. Although the development environment is not precisely "light"
12:58:29FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @jmgomez "yeah, it's a beast.": 1 gb GUI app
12:59:55FromDiscord<jmgomez> eh?
12:59:56FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "I *have* done it": I'd need to actually know my shit about mutexes to be able to answer that
13:00:07FromDiscord<Phil> Which, for reference, I don't
13:00:17FromDiscord<jmgomez> builds can be much less than 50Mb
13:01:19FromDiscord<jmgomez> love how people just make assumption without even really knowing how things work
13:01:31FromDiscord<jmgomez> (edit) "assumption" => "assumptions"
13:02:08FromDiscord<voidwalker> In reply to @heysokam "im comfortable with C": yeah obviously it was just a mini spontaneous crowd fund attempt, it's not about the $25. I am sure more people would contribute towards this if such things were organized, and more funds would be raised
13:02:23FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "1 gb GUI app": source: i made it up
13:02:27FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i just assumed
13:04:24FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> also why the hell does nim have a C ffi
13:04:40FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> why doesnt it go ffi'less approach like zig
13:06:42FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Because Nim compiles to C and also has more strict typing than C? And Zig works bc it hooks into LLVM, Nim doesn't
13:07:01FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Because Nim compiles to": ....
13:07:11FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> :shrug:
13:07:13FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> why not just use the C constructs in the generated C code
13:07:28FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Wdym by that?
13:07:35FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> im gonna go ask araq in #internals
13:07:54FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Okay
13:08:03PMunchkingterrytheterrible12, by the way I don't think he likes being disturbed
13:08:15FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i just post there
13:08:23FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> he choose to reply or not
13:08:39PMunchSure, but you're still creating noise
13:08:57FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> its a question that makes sense ngl
13:09:04FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> since it just all compiles down to C
13:09:09PMunchAnd Zig doesn't have an FFI-less approach, it's just as much FFI as Nim has, just wrapped a bit different..
13:09:10FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> it makes no sense to have a C ffi
13:09:22PMunchWhat do you mean?
13:09:29PMunchI think you misunderstand what FFI means
13:09:47PMunchWhen you wrap something from C in Nim it is just turned into a normal C call under the hood
13:09:57PMunchThere's no extra layer going on
13:10:06FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> oh
13:10:18PMunchThe wrapper only exists to tell Nim what types are valid for the C call
13:10:33PMunchBecause Nim and C doesn't use the same type system (luckily)
13:10:36FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> oh
13:10:43FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> gonna delete the internals msg
13:10:44FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> brb
13:11:13FromDiscord<odexine> too late you have eternally embarrassed yourself in front of araq you can never redeem yourself now
13:11:26PMunchThe only difference to Zig is that since Zig uses LLVM under the hood it has built something like Futhark directly into the compiler
13:11:36PMunchIn fact Futhark was greatly inspired by Zig
13:11:49FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> NOOOO DADDY ARAQ HAS FORSAKEN ME
13:12:12FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @PMunch "The only difference to": soon its not
13:19:01PMunchWhat do you mean?
13:19:30FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @PMunch "What do you mean?": zig is booting LLVM
13:19:41PMunchOh yeah, that's true
13:19:49PMunchI wonder how they are going to deal with C wrapping then
13:25:08FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> They're still keeping that for the wrapping afaik
13:25:20FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> They're just maintaining it on the side, making a new compiler backend
13:37:08FromDiscord<nomad> How to write zip files in nim?
13:38:45FromDiscord<nnsee> https://github.com/nim-lang/zip using this library
13:39:00PMunchChronos_[She/Her], hmm sounds like a lot of work..
13:41:43FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "There's no books that": The Art of Multiprocessor Programming by SHavit is very good: https://courses.csail.mit.edu/6.852/08/papers/lists-book-chapter.pdf
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13:43:03FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Oh thanks!
13:43:38FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @PMunch "Chronos_[She/Her], hmm sounds like": Zig with a new compiler backend? For sure- But their issue with it is the size of LLVM's compiler which is a pretty fair concern tbf
13:44:11PMunchThe size of the compiler itself?
13:44:16PMunchOr the binaries it produces?
13:44:35FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Zig with a new": probably also LLVM depracting stuff from release to releae and compiler speed maybe?
13:44:58FromDiscord<mratsim> But writing an optimizing compiler, and the debugging support is hard
13:46:12FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @PMunch "The size of the": The size of the compiler iirc, also supporting many niche platforms which increases size over time I think? But eh
13:46:28FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @mratsim "probably also LLVM depracting": Perhaps? I'm just talking about what the article Zig released a while ago is saying
13:46:38FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> By Zig or by someone who works on Zig actively
13:47:24FromDiscord<mratsim> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4G9J
13:47:58FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Creating it in what way?
13:48:23FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Also deadlocks is when the lock stays locked forever and never releases, right?
13:48:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> So during errors for example
13:49:05FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> If a thread crashes while locked, that's a deadlock? (Also would just mean the whole game needs to be restarted bc, data may be corrupted?)
13:49:20FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Like Rust handles it by propagating panics across every thread iirc
13:49:42FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Creating it in what": For example, create a critical section or mutual exclusion algorithm without using locks:↵↵https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterson%27s_algorithm
13:50:26FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Also deadlocks is when": usually it involves 2 locks, one thread holds a lock A and need to access B to make progress, another thread holds B and need to access A to make progress
13:50:30FromDiscord<mratsim> result: no progress
13:50:56FromDiscord<mratsim> for example if you make a queue where threads can enqueue/dequeue and you misorder operations
13:51:23FromDiscord<leorize> a pretty easy one is when you just accidentally locked twice in a single thread and your lock is not recursive
13:51:55FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I don't understand that part aha
13:52:20FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @mratsim "usually it involves 2": I think I understand that part?
13:52:24FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Not well though
14:03:02FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "I don't understand that": You might have more hit if you search for "reentrancy" and locks
14:03:22FromDiscord<mratsim> iirc, The Art of ltiProcessor Programming has nice example on that issue
14:03:26FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Alright!
14:03:43FromDiscord<mratsim> (edit) "ltiProcessor" => "MultiProcessor"
14:04:27FromDiscord<mratsim> if you're interested in concurrent data structure / multithreading it's a very nice book, quite accessible and builds up fundamentals with usable how-tos
14:04:54FromDiscord<mratsim> iirc it's used for graduate coursework as well
14:05:25PMunchHmm, I wonder what the performance numbers look like for Table vs. seq[tuple] for a small number of keys
14:05:36FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G9P
14:05:43FromDiscord<enthus1ast> i try to use this in karax
14:06:08FromDiscord<leorize> wrong kind of DateTime ig
14:06:30FromDiscord<enthus1ast> mh, but both is DateTime from times
14:06:56FromDiscord<leorize> the message is saying that it came from `kar`
14:07:12FromDiscord<enthus1ast> oh
14:07:19FromDiscord<enthus1ast> include karax/prelude, times, options
14:07:22FromDiscord<enthus1ast> -.-
14:08:01FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4G9Q
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14:13:20FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @mratsim "if you're interested in": Good to know!
14:16:26FromDiscord<voidwalker> Isn't it kind of sad that nim doesn't have any good tui frameworks? that are not low level
14:16:40FromDiscord<voidwalker> go has several great ones, rust has ratatui
14:16:48FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I think Nimwave looks alright, just needs docs, no?
14:16:59FromDiscord<voidwalker> Useless to me without docs, and there's pretty much no widgets included
14:17:07FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Fair
14:17:13FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Could always make bindings :p
14:27:32FromDiscord<voidwalker> I think it would be more fun for me to port something rather than wrap
14:27:37FromDiscord<vindaar> In reply to @PMunch "Hmm, I wonder what": haven't benched it, but I would assume it to be pretty similar, maybe the `seq` a bit faster depending on how you determine if the key is contained. Keep in mind the `Table` is implemented precisely on top of a `seq[tuple]`
14:29:05FromDiscord<leorize> tuple[seq] will be better, though
14:29:20FromDiscord<jviega> I've got a bunch of C lock-free data structures I really need to wrap someday
14:29:52FromDiscord<jviega> But then I'd have to get into the 800 different memory management models shiver
14:31:51FromDiscord<elamandeep> python too have great TUI
14:32:17FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> why nim doesnt have `if !x`
14:32:24FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> why do i gotta use `not`
14:32:59FromDiscord<leorize> because nim is not c
14:33:00FromDiscord<inventormatt> it'd be trivial to create a template to do that for you
14:33:05FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "why do i gotta": write macro then
14:33:17FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> no why not in design of lang
14:33:34FromDiscord<inventormatt> I'm guessing to be more explicit
14:36:04FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/24y2Q
14:36:08FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> JESUS
14:36:23FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> lmao maybe I shuld've done it in the playground
14:36:48FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Is this safe code?": is this code safe↵>untyped
14:37:05FromDiscord<odexine> ??? untyped doesnt exactly mean unsafe
14:37:18FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> it means it has no type
14:37:27FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> therefore how can you do type checking
14:37:29FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "is this code safe": Untyped is so you can access the fields of the underlying object
14:37:30FromDiscord<ieltan> well, not really
14:37:43FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "it means it has": By the template first being inserted before the compiler goes actually through it and validates types
14:37:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "therefore how can you": Because I'm not checking the type
14:37:55FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @isofruit "By the template first": xactly
14:37:58FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Exactly
14:38:05FromDiscord<Phil> The error message might be very meh but it's not going to be passing if there's erroneous access
14:38:10FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> idk ngl
14:38:19FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> never used nim macros nor template
14:38:21FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> never needed to
14:38:42FromDiscord<Phil> Templates and macros are executed before actual compilationare
14:38:52FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "never needed to": congrats?
14:39:06FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @isofruit "Templates and macros are": phil Discovering preprocessor
14:39:26FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "phil Discovering preprocessor": he;s explaining it to you, if you're unaware
14:39:34FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "yeah people have seem": 😉
14:39:35FromDiscord<ieltan> not sure if this is pendantic enough or even correct but untyped means it doesn't semcheck the ast but if it's not valid code the evaluation will still fail at compile time
14:39:51FromDiscord<leorize> nim is from pascal&#47;modula heritage, and they don't use symbolic logic operators there↵(@kingterrytheterrible12)
14:41:06FromDiscord<leorize> that dot operator might give you a few deadlock↵(@Chronos [She/Her])
14:41:18FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @odexine "he;s explaining it to": its just that templates dont make sense have the time
14:41:34FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> i can see when to use it but a lot of times its just more trouble than its worth
14:42:02FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> (edit) "have" => "half"
14:42:39FromDiscord<ieltan> well you could write and generate non-sense but it'll still be safe if you dont use unsafe features 😛
14:43:04FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @ieltan "well you could write": yes i like when my error just says `invalid template instantiation`
14:43:05FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> very sane
14:43:09FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> very cool
14:43:18FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "that dot operator might": Hm how so? If I access it during assignment? Like if I wanted to do `mutex.val = mutex.val + 1`?
14:43:34FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> or missing type `''`
14:43:36FromDiscord<ieltan> yeah as i said, you can generate non-sense, but at least it wont blow up at runtime
14:43:43FromDiscord<leorize> that's one↵(@Chronos [She/Her])
14:44:11FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Hm, I could prevent that by tweaking the code for assignments slightly, but what's another?
14:44:11FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @ieltan "yeah as i said,": idk i just mostly get away with overloads
14:44:39FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> idk if nim has overloads though
14:45:14FromDiscord<ieltan> you should only use templates if you really need it and cant use something more simple like generics
14:45:19FromDiscord<leorize> foo.x.bar(foo.y)↵(@Chronos [She/Her])
14:45:42FromDiscord<ieltan> overloading fulfills a different usecase imo
14:45:49FromDiscord<ieltan> and yes Nim does has overloading
14:45:55FromDiscord<ieltan> (edit) "has" => "have"
14:46:04FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @ieltan "overloading fulfills a different": i use overloads when i just need like 3 or less types
14:46:10FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> if anything more i just use template
14:46:30FromDiscord<ieltan> feels like you don't need templates, you could use generics instead
14:46:41FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> why the hell does nim have both
14:46:47FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> most langs just choose 1
14:47:10FromDiscord<ieltan> both of what ? generics, overloading, templates ?
14:47:20FromDiscord<ieltan> they all have different usecases
14:47:23FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> generics and templates
14:48:27FromDiscord<leorize> templates is just the mid way between nim and macros
14:48:42FromDiscord<leorize> the manual have an example
14:49:50FromDiscord<ieltan> templates in Nim lets you do code substitution, generics lets you do type substitution. templates are more powerful and you can argue they can do what generics do but they are too powerful to use and generics are a lot more sane (you dont have to deal with `invalid template instantiation` stuff)
14:50:13FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "foo.x.bar(foo.y) (<@524288464422830095>)": Ah, I could probably tweak that too by moving the access of the name into a temp variable?
14:50:14FromDiscord<ieltan> well
14:51:02FromDiscord<ieltan> you can also use generics with constraints for finer control over the type being substitued
14:51:22FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Tho idk how to ensure a unique name without a macro now aha
14:51:26FromDiscord<sulfasolate> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Ga3
14:51:36FromDiscord<ieltan> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Tho idk how to": `gensym`
14:51:40FromDiscord<ieltan> ah
14:51:43FromDiscord<ieltan> i misread lol
14:52:13FromDiscord<ieltan> well you can technically use `gensym` in templates
14:54:42FromDiscord<demotomohiro> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Ga4
14:54:55FromDiscord<sulfasolate> In reply to @demotomohiro "Parameters are immutable in": cheers
14:58:23FromDiscord<demotomohiro> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Ga6
15:01:07FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @ieltan "well you can technically": How does that work-
15:03:25FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "How does that work-": https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#templates-hygiene-in-templates
15:07:50FromDiscord<leorize> that won't work very well, unfortunately↵(@Chronos [She/Her])
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15:09:27FromDiscord<leorize> the reason we don't have those templates in stdlib is because lock acquiring and release should be explicit to an extent
15:09:32FromDiscord<leorize> helps prevent deadlocks
15:13:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Damn
15:14:55FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> So not sure how else to get past this then aha
15:15:13FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "the reason we don't": Yeah that makes sense, oh well thanks anyway
15:19:10FromDiscord<Phil> To emphasise: deadlocks are the real bastard Kind of problems that will not show up under any normal circumstances but always when you're under load and suddenly the entire system shuts down and nobody understands why
15:20:03FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Makes sense... Oh well
15:20:10FromDiscord<leorize> this is why a lot of languages just opt for separate memory space between threads
15:20:36FromDiscord<leorize> shared is just too much of a pain in the butt
15:22:15FromDiscord<Phil> It killed prod in my current company once, very much not fun
15:22:27FromDiscord<Phil> Was a deadlock with mysql
15:22:41FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "Was a deadlock with mysql ... " added "connections"
15:23:52FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Is there really no way around this? If possible I really wanna get this to work
15:24:46FromDiscord<leorize> you should use the locks that already exists first
15:24:53FromDiscord<leorize> you need a good grasp of how MT data flows
15:25:09FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Fair enough, I'll do that then
15:25:32FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Is it still okay to make a helper object that just associates a lock with an object? :p
15:31:00FromDiscord<Phil> Sure, got to lock that resource somehow
15:31:36FromDiscord<Phil> Note if leorize disagrees listen to him, he's got more experience, the approach just worked for me so far
15:32:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah fair aha
15:32:58FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I'll just expose what the lock exposes
15:33:05FromDiscord<leorize> it's a foolproof way to lock things
15:33:08FromDiscord<leorize> data races are not fun
15:33:46FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Ah, also when should I use rlocks instead of locks? Lemme actually look at re-entrant locks
15:34:23FromDiscord<leorize> use it if you expect to re-lock multiple times within the same thread
15:34:38FromDiscord<leorize> it has it's overhead so avoid it if you can
15:34:43FromDiscord<leorize> but don't shy on it if you must
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15:35:45FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Why would I need to re-lock? Genuine question
15:35:59FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Also RLock and Lock both inherit from SysLock so?
15:36:27FromDiscord<leorize> when you use it in a recursive function
15:36:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Ah
15:37:45FromDiscord<leorize> RLock have the issue of silent deadlock if you forget to release at a certain point
15:37:56FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah makes sense
15:38:05FromDiscord<leorize> less of an issue with scope templates, though
15:38:08FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I'll likely use `withLock` a lot tbh :p
15:38:21FromDiscord<leorize> but I've wrote stuff in ways that still make those bugs show up, so take that as you will
15:39:03FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Fair enough aha, shouldn't be too bad here at least
15:39:18FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> also whats the point of withlock?
15:39:58FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Gaz
15:40:12FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Think f it like Python's context manager
15:40:15FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> beacuse what happens if i write code out of scope of the `with`
15:40:25FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> does it get executed with no mutex?
15:40:29FromDiscord<leorize> then that's a you issue
15:40:45FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> what happens if mutex fails to lock
15:40:58FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> how do i catch the exception using `with` statment
15:41:37FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "what happens if mutex": It waits to lock with the statement from what I can see
15:41:57FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> so i just spin forever
15:42:00FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> waiting to get locked
15:42:12FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> the poor lock has nobody to lock it and i cant do nothing about it?
15:42:16FromDiscord<leorize> we kinda call that a deadlock
15:42:21FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> yes
15:42:25FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> RIP lock
15:42:32FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> You can also just use `tryAcquire` which returns a bool
15:42:51FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4GaA
15:42:54FromDiscord<leorize> fortunately you don't usually fail to lock
15:42:59FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> you can do something thats much more sleek @Chronos [She/Her]
15:43:06FromDiscord<leorize> it either blocks or it doesn't
15:43:20FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @kingterrytheterrible12 "you can do something": How so? I'm not using mutexes now
15:44:09FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4GaB
15:44:30FromDiscord<leorize> did you just reinvent withLock?
15:44:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Basically try except?
15:44:38FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "did you just reinvent": in a better way
15:44:43FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Basically try except?": yes
15:44:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I'm gonna be using Result types anyway so
15:44:55FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Avoiding exceptions
15:44:56FromDiscord<leorize> also locking doesn't fail
15:45:06FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4GaC
15:45:12FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @leorize "also locking doesn't fail": idk
15:45:17FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> it doesnt?
15:45:19FromDiscord<leorize> so you don't even have to catch it to begin with
15:46:53FromDiscord<leorize> they can fail due to ACL
15:47:00FromDiscord<leorize> but you can never get that happen with nim
15:49:07FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> ACL?
15:49:19FromDiscord<leorize> access control
15:49:44FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Ah
15:49:45FromDiscord<leorize> posix supports thread priority and allows you to pin a lock so that only a thread with priority \>= x can acquire it
15:50:05FromDiscord<leorize> you can't make a lock like that in nim to begin with \:p
15:50:17FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> you can
15:50:19FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> why not
15:50:22FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> make it in C
15:51:03FromDiscord<leorize> i meant in terms of stdlib but ok
15:51:17FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> ah my bad
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16:20:24FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I need to make a custom thing for making a map which is... Painful
16:20:59FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Mostly because the library for Tiled in Nim seems a bit outdated and if it keeps drifting then I'll eventually end up abandoning it
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16:32:42FromDiscord<leorize> what are you building?
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16:41:56FromDiscord<ieltan> Using `asyncfutures.or`, how do I access the data of either `fut1` or `fut2` when one of them complete ?↵https://nim-lang.org/docs/asyncfutures.html#or%2CFuture%5BT%5D%2CFuture%5BY%5D
16:42:23FromDiscord<ieltan> `or` returns `Future[void]` so i presume the data is lost ?
16:44:21FromDiscord<leorize> yes
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16:49:13FromDiscord<ieltan> well... that's a real shame
16:49:35FromDiscord<ieltan> i guess i'll implement my own `or`
16:49:53FromDiscord<Nelson> is there any error callback for nim?
16:50:04FromDiscord<Nelson> like, if something fails, a callback gets run
16:50:31FromDiscord<Nelson> or do i need to do that stuff manually
16:55:47FromDiscord<leorize> you can add something like that to a future
16:56:34FromDiscord<Nelson> a-... a what? sorry, i'm super new to this language
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17:07:31FromDiscord<Phil> Equivalent to js promise
17:08:27FromDiscord<Phil> It's going async
17:10:20FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> In reply to @Nelson "a-... a what? sorry,": its like saying "go do something else, once im done i promise to give you the result
17:10:24FromDiscord<kingterrytheterrible12> (edit) "result" => "result""
17:24:01FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @ieltan "Using `asyncfutures.or`, how do": (basically, or is useless) keep both futures in variables, check either if theyre complete once it fires
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18:12:03FromDiscord<nnsee> PMunch, are you here?
18:20:38FromDiscord<leorize> you should just ask
18:22:56FromDiscord<nnsee> i thought i just did
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18:37:24FromDiscord<leorize> I mean, let him know your question, you don't have to ask if he's around
18:42:16FromDiscord<nnsee> i'll do that when i know he's around
18:50:31FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "what are you building?": Rogue-like (originally was platformer but changed idea)
18:50:55FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/GHBXv
18:51:15FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Iirc the pure pragma des nothing
18:51:26FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> At least, now it does nothing
18:51:49FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I'm prolly wrong tho
18:51:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You don't want an enum then you want consts
18:52:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Or alternatively just write your own `$` for your enum
18:52:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Gbi
18:52:34FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @hazesystem "hmm, when I try": It's just doing `$Sprites.Player` when printing, implementing your own stringify proc is prolly what ya want
18:52:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `$` really is mainly for debugging which is why it prints the name
18:52:40FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Ah beat me to it lol
18:53:23FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> i could just do separate consts, but i want them to be grouped under the same "parent", like `Sprites.Player`
18:54:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You're also right, pure is pretty much useless on enums now
18:54:39FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Eyy
18:55:02FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> is there no way to do it like this? ;(
18:55:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I just told you how
18:56:26FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> with $?
18:57:04FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> That's only for when stringifying tho fyi
18:58:07FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> i dont want a string though, just the number
18:58:14FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> (edit) "number" => "int"
18:58:39FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah then using the ord is your only option afaik
18:58:55FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> got it. thanks
19:00:01FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> What if my map format was literally just a png that's read and mapped to different tile types hm...
19:00:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Why do you want the int though?
19:06:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @Haze System (they/them)\: tell me your secrets!
19:07:30FromDiscord<Langosta> In reply to @hazesystem "got it. thanks": you could use strUtils
19:07:36FromDiscord<Langosta> parseInt
19:07:52FromDiscord<Langosta> or what happens if you specify the variable type in the object definition
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22:21:55FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> In reply to @Elegantbeef "<@251576885799026688>\: tell me your": to index into a spritesheet png
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22:27:46FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Gcc
22:35:03FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah that just won't work, enums don't work like that
22:35:16FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> You could use constants that are defined in another file?
22:35:43FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Make `sprites.nim` and use constants, that way you can reference them via `sprites.Player`
22:43:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Just make an `array[Sprites, ...]`
22:48:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @Haze System (they/them) are you authoring this data type or what?
23:08:26FromDiscord<Langosta> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Gco
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23:09:08FromDiscord<Langosta> hold on, I'm gonna check something I made to see
23:10:40FromDiscord<Langosta> oh wait MB, you're using tuples
23:10:45FromDiscord<Langosta> (edit) "tuples" => "enums"
23:11:19FromDiscord<Langosta> I think nim has a few other tools that could help you get the functionality you want without it being an enum (ordinal type)
23:11:37FromDiscord<Langosta> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Gcs
23:14:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> > I think nim has a few other tools that could help you get the functionality you want without it being an enum (ordinal type)↵Yea just use an enum indexed array
23:15:33FromDiscord<tsoj> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Gct
23:15:36FromDiscord<raynei486> If I'm opening a PR, is it better to make one big mono commit or many smaller commits
23:15:41FromDiscord<raynei486> Not too familiar with git
23:15:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's best to have a single commit in a PR
23:16:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Tsoj it's an issue with generic type match
23:16:40FromDiscord<huantian> Each PR should have a single goal↵If that goal is complex you should split it into logical steps, each step being a commit
23:19:26FromDiscord<raynei486> but they're really small changes with similar (?) goals
23:19:31FromDiscord<raynei486> Like I just opened this PR
23:19:32FromDiscord<raynei486> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/22695
23:19:36FromDiscord<raynei486> (edit) "PR" => "issue"
23:19:40FromDiscord<Langosta> In reply to @tsoj "Anybody got an idea": an Openarray[T] is not the same type as an openarray[Special[T]]. Special is an object holding a generic
23:20:13FromDiscord<raynei486> I was planning to have one commit adding the destructors, and another commit simplifying parsers
23:20:19FromDiscord<raynei486> but maybe they're too different idk
23:20:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `openArray[T or Special[T]]` might work
23:20:34FromDiscord<tsoj> In reply to @Elegantbeef "`openArray[T or Special[T]]` might": yes that works
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23:21:58FromDiscord<Langosta> what if you replace the or with |?
23:22:03FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> In reply to @alendrik "Is there a specific": no, anything will work
23:22:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `or` is the same as `\`
23:23:04FromDiscord<Langosta> In reply to @hazesystem "no, anything will work": within your Code, are you just setting these values once and using them as a reference later? Or are you intending to hold State information within it eventually
23:24:51FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> In reply to @alendrik "within your Code, are": the former; for reference. so they coulod be const
23:24:56FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> (edit) "coulod" => "could"
23:25:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Like i said use an enum indexed array
23:25:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Problem solved
23:26:15FromDiscord<Langosta> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Like i said use": honestly, I'm not the most familiar with enum indexed arrays. Could you go more into depth or provide references to look more into them?
23:26:46FromDiscord<Langosta> I was thinking of using a const tuple since it's just intuitive
23:27:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Gcv
23:28:03FromDiscord<Langosta> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Gcw
23:28:35FromDiscord<Langosta> or
23:28:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Enum indexed arrays are 0 cost abstractions that mimic a look up table
23:29:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Hashed lookup table\
23:29:29FromDiscord<Langosta> Oh that's super cool
23:30:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's no different to `array[3, int]` and doing `a[ord(A)] =...`
23:30:37FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/P1bvH
23:30:47FromDiscord<Langosta> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Gcz
23:31:05FromDiscord<Langosta> so then SPRITE.Player should equal
23:31:19FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> oh if that works thats exactly what i was looking for
23:31:28FromDiscord<Langosta> but it will have more performance costs compared to what beef said
23:31:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The tuple is the same cost as the array
23:31:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The tuple doesnt have the runtime indexing though
23:32:36FromDiscord<Langosta> is that used to iterate over the container during runtime?
23:32:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Huh?
23:33:08FromDiscord<Langosta> runtime indexing
23:33:23FromDiscord<Langosta> SPRITE[idx] is that what you mean
23:34:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Right you cannot do that with tuples
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23:34:34FromDiscord<Langosta> if they don't need to access the container through an index, then I feel it will be more appropriate to use the dot notation
23:34:48FromDiscord<Langosta> if it's in their experience more readable
23:34:56FromDiscord<Langosta> (edit) "readable" => "readable/understandabl"
23:34:57FromDiscord<Langosta> (edit) "readable/understandabl" => "readable/understandable"
23:36:16FromDiscord<Langosta> let us know if it works @Haze System (they/them)
23:37:19FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> yep!
23:39:45FromDiscord<Langosta> glad it worked!
23:40:02FromDiscord<Haze System (they/them)> tyvm :)
23:45:03FromDiscord<Langosta> @Haze System (they/them) As a follow up. This tutorial is SUPER worth it https://narimiran.github.io/nim-basics/. I'm not sure if you've already been able to go through it, but it's a good balance between showing you the language details and helping you move through the language.
23:45:26FromDiscord<Langosta> It saves extra details to be found in the nim manual if you ever require it
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