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00:02:46	fowl	akiradeveloper, did you try naming a task "namespace1::mytask"? i bet it works
00:05:26	EXetoC	maybe have a namespace convention, unless for some reason actual semantics are needed
00:06:49	ldlework	Does anyone know where the Nimbot repo is?
00:08:04	flaviu	ldlework: https://github.com/nim-lang/nimbot
00:08:09	fowl	a rake task is also an object or a task, should nake be object oriented just because rake is?
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00:22:58	akiradeveloper	fowl: really? I've just commented without a careful look at the code. sorry if I mistake and thanks for the information
00:24:59	ekarlso-	flaviu: i'll put it up on my vps tmrw with working login stuff and so on
00:25:16	ekarlso-	flaviu: ut really I should fix somekind of token mechanism for login (preferably JWT)
00:29:56	akiradeveloper	fowl: I see what you mean and yes. it definitely work but what if you have many tasks in the namespace. Do you repeat adding namespace prefix to the task names? This is what I meant http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~idesaku/sss/tech/rake/#namespace
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00:35:44	fowl	akiradeveloper, there is no namespace in nake but if you want to name your tasks a:b and a:c then just do that
00:36:01	def-	akiradeveloper: or you can add a template or macro to do that automatically
00:38:02	fowl	idgi
00:40:50	EXetoC	def-: might be overkill, but yeah
00:41:53	akiradeveloper	nesting namespaces will be very difficult, I think
00:42:21	akiradeveloper	so, reasonable to keep the current implementation
00:43:27	EXetoC	not too difficult with a macro
00:43:30	renesac	Araq: you were going to re-generate the docs?
00:43:35	EXetoC	do build scripts often get that complex?
00:43:40	renesac	I just made a small pull request: https://github.com/Araq/Nim/pull/1945
00:45:42	renesac	my english is correct for the winlean description?
00:46:16	flaviu	renesac: looks good to me
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01:08:15	Araq	renesac: thanks. sorry will rebuild docs tomorrow, good night
01:10:31	renesac	np
01:10:41	renesac	it would be more troublesome if you already did it
01:10:43	renesac	good night
01:26:48	flaviu	Has anyone made a perfect hash table?
01:27:06	flaviu	Preferably usable with const.
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01:49:27	renesac	and I didn't focused on the timers library...
01:49:39	renesac	but I did crash the compiler while writting a ugly hack!
01:49:43	renesac	EXetoC: https://gist.github.com/ReneSac/d2304b60c1999ebddb0c
01:50:49	flaviu	renesac: It's a bug, report it.
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05:31:38	dts|pokeball	just an fyi, nimble doesnt appear to build on ubuntu anymore with the latest nim compiler
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05:52:17	dts|pokeball	fixed it. Araq can you give me the proper permissions so i can push the fixes to nim?
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06:32:39	reactormonk	I have a pointer in C code that I include via {.compile.}. The pointer points to a character in a string. How can I convert that pointer to the index in the string? I know how to do it in C via pointer arithmetic, what's the clean way to do it in nim?
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07:04:27	reactormonk	how do you call the two range variables, since "end" is taken?
07:05:15	wtw	Araq: I'm _a_ BSD guy but not the one from github ;)
07:05:34	reactormonk	wtw, any idea how to fix parallel build?
07:05:54	wtw	strangely, for me the build work parallely in the end
07:06:10	wtw	but I'll have a look as to why
07:06:11	reactormonk	hm
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07:26:16	HakanD	spam on the forums again.
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08:09:21	reactormonk	Error: 'Slice' is not a concrete type. :-(
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11:01:20	keyle	hi
11:04:11	MajorTennis	hi
11:05:21	keyle	anyone knows what's the deal with this? http://irclogs.nim-lang.org/packages
11:05:51	keyle	it's linked as a script of lib.html
11:07:01	BlaXpirit	D:
11:08:02	BlaXpirit	keyle, i suspect Unofficial packages is loaded dynamically or something
11:08:35	keyle	<script type="text/javascript" src="">http://irclogs.nim-lang.org/packages?callback=gotPackageList"></script>
11:08:40	keyle	yeah but that's no text/javascript
11:08:50	BlaXpirit	keyle, but it is
11:08:53	BlaXpirit	it's like JSONP
11:09:02	keyle	I see
11:09:06	BlaXpirit	it's just a function call with an object of data
11:09:23	BlaXpirit	my suspicion is correct if u look at the other script
11:10:28	keyle	thanks
11:14:13	BlaXpirit	wait, it's not "like" JSONP, it's exactly JSONP
11:16:54	keyle	what threw me off is the fact that the call is not made once the page is loaded, in javascript
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11:33:29	ekarlso-	uh: lib/pure/net.nim(1039, 66) Error: type mismatch: got (int) but expected 'uint16'
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11:42:06	keyle	:/
11:42:49	*	ekarlso- guesses some fun changes has landed recently
11:43:00	Araq	this is caused by skyfex_'s patch, I think
11:44:45	ekarlso-	Araq: any quick fix ?
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11:46:15	Araq	ekarlso-: working on it
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12:06:17	keyle	I'm installing nimble from release pre-built and followed the steps and used install.bat - and I get this? http://hastebin.com/juwomamepi.tex
12:07:32	Araq	yes, we use openssl for https support.
12:07:48	Araq	it's good that security is much more important than a working painless system.
12:08:26	ekarlso-	ping me when u got it Araq :)
12:08:33	ekarlso-	atm packages isn't compiling
12:08:48	Araq	if I want a working painless system I wouldn't use a computer in the first place, right?
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12:10:54	dom96	keyle: The installer should have installed the DLLs.
12:11:03	dom96	Did you compile using a 64bit compiler?
12:12:00	keyle	dom96: went here https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble#windows followed the steps, got 0.6 zip https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/releases
12:12:08	keyle	used install.bat
12:12:36	dom96	Execute nim -v
12:12:54	keyle	Nim Compiler Version 0.10.2 (2014-12-30) [Windows: amd64]
12:13:37	keyle	I have updated httpclient though, as it was broken for urls with ?stuff=stuff
12:13:55	dom96	You're using a 64bit compiler.
12:14:11	keyle	heh
12:14:14	dom96	You downloaded a 32bit version of Nimble.
12:15:06	keyle	I apologize, but the download page of Nim does provide a 64bit which I picked in favor to 32 since I don't live in 2005
12:15:15	keyle	However here there is only 32 bits https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/releases
12:15:18	ekarlso-	whaa, http client doesn't support url params ?
12:15:30	keyle	ekarlso-: it does, it was broken
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12:15:51	keyle	dom96: thanks anyway :/
12:16:20	ekarlso-	ah ok
12:16:20	keyle	how do I uninstall nimble? :D
12:16:33	dom96	keyle: indeed. You can get 64bit DLLs of openssl and it will work then
12:17:14	keyle	dom96: for future releases it might be a good idea to ship both 64 & 32bits of nimble along side of the nim compiler
12:17:46	dom96	keyle: Are you volunteering to build those for me? :P
12:17:59	keyle	sure, if you give me notice
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12:18:25	dom96	keyle: Would be awesome if you could build a 64bit version of 0.6
12:18:40	dom96	and packaged it like I packaged the 32bit version
12:18:45	keyle	hm on second thought, there is a reason why I'm using the nim release version
12:19:01	keyle	I don't have all the gnu compiler stuff :(
12:19:18	keyle	so that's not possible atm
12:19:34	keyle	mingw sorry
12:20:07	ekarlso-	keyle: u develop on windows ? :p
12:20:09	ekarlso-	poor soul :D
12:20:59	keyle	I develop on whatever I get paid 6 figures for
12:21:11	keyle	if tomorrow it's knoppix, fine
12:21:56	keyle	dom96: will get mingw
12:23:53	keyle	do I trust win-builds.org?
12:25:06	dom96	But if you have a 64bit nim compiler then you should already have a 64bit mingw?
12:26:24	keyle	I'm not sure
12:27:07	keyle	the only platform I can get nim compiled from devel is my debian box, that's a piece of cake
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12:30:00	keyle	cygwin can do it ?
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12:36:16	dom96	probably not
12:44:30	ekarlso-	Araq: hard thing the net stuff or ?
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12:46:44	keyle	dom96: indeed :)
12:48:30	renesac	dts|pokeball: make your fork of nim, push your changes and make a pull request
12:51:22	keyle	dom96: so yes, once you've installed a nim from installer, you get mingw dist
12:51:27	keyle	(to my surprise)
12:51:34	keyle	so then, you can compile devel :)
12:51:48	keyle	neato.
12:51:59	dom96	indeed
12:52:10	keyle	Nim Compiler Version 0.10.3 (2015-01-13) [Windows: amd64]
12:57:45	Araq	ekarlso-: had to pick the workaround, it's not immediately obvious why skyfex_'s patch is wrong
12:57:51	Araq	but I pushed it
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13:05:31	Araq	bbl
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13:28:24	keyle	yay got gtk2 tests running
13:28:37	keyle	I mean examples
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13:48:51	KoFish	Hi, just curious, is there any project to build a tool suit for nim?
13:49:09	KoFish	(I'm thinking similarly to golang)
13:50:08	ekarlso-	KoFish: tool suit how ?
13:50:50	KoFish	ekarlso-: formatting, documentation, testing, build environment (if that is required)
13:50:53	KoFish	and such
13:52:15	KoFish	it's just a thought I had. Thinking of switching back to nim from golang now that I've tried go a bit and those kind of tools is probably what i will be missing the most
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13:55:41	EXetoC	https://github.com/fowlmouth/nake
13:56:14	EXetoC	you can have compiler configs, but I don't think you can select a certain config at this point in time
13:57:10	EXetoC	but you can just do "nim doc2" to generate the documentation for example
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14:10:36	EXetoC	I don't know how well compiler/nimfix/pretty.nim is supposed to work
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14:16:35	renesac	KoFish: EXetoC nimfix should do it now... but I'm not sure how agressive it is
14:16:38	renesac	It can also check that your identifiers adhere to the official style guide and optionally modify them to do so (via --styleCheck:auto).
14:16:50	renesac	<-- that should have been quoted ""
14:17:03	renesac	http://nim-lang.org/nimfix.html
14:17:26	KoFish	ah nice :) So basically everything exists
14:17:51	renesac	for testing, there is the unloved unittest module
14:18:05	renesac	but the compiler uses another testing framework
14:18:16	KoFish	so no quickcheck yet? :P
14:18:23	renesac	with discard """ '""" for the expected results, etc
14:18:40	renesac	I guess not
14:19:07	renesac	no tool for quantify the test converage either
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14:24:43	renesac	KoFish: the unittest was to automatically generate test vectors, etc, but development stopped before it seems
14:24:51	renesac	unittest.nim
14:33:31	ldlework	Araq: just a reminder to regen the docs
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15:15:59	ekarlso-	is there any utility method or so to generate query parameter strings in nim ?
15:16:12	ekarlso-	like feed it a stringtable or smth and you get the query string
15:16:34	Araq	ekarlso-: I don't think so but I do no web dev
15:16:51	ekarlso-	Araq: :D
15:17:03	ekarlso-	def-: ?:D
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15:18:20	ekarlso-	Araq: can I do a .map on a stringtable btw?
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15:20:02	Araq	mapIt works on everything that has items. but a stringtable only has pairs iirc
15:20:37	Araq	what should .map on a stringtable do?
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15:23:42	EXetoC	try pairs if items fails?
15:24:45	EXetoC	I mean, if items doesn't exist
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15:51:48	gokr	Araq: In Smalltalk - if you do map (collect:) on a table (Dictionary) - then you get a new Dictionary with the values transformed.
15:52:54	Araq	and the keys untouched? ok.
15:52:59	gokr	yeah.
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15:53:44	gokr	Further, in Dictionary you have a class for the pair (called Association) and you can call a Dictionary to get its associations (you then would get a seq of pairs back in Nim).
15:54:02	gokr	Do we also have an "Assocation" type - or is that simply a tuple?
15:54:11	gokr	Haven't played with tables much yet.
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16:07:51	EXetoC	yes, tuple
16:08:16	EXetoC	and {a: b, c: d} is transformed into [(a, b), (c, d)]
16:14:45	ekarlso-	can't u do toSeq(stringtable) ? :D
16:15:31	EXetoC	I don't think you can atm
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16:15:57	EXetoC	because of what has been said regarding items and pairs
16:16:19	ekarlso-	ye
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16:19:13	EXetoC	'compiles' to the rescue maybe
16:19:34	ekarlso-	compiles ? ^
16:20:07	EXetoC	compiles(stmt)
16:20:08	Araq	fyi 'compiles' will turn into something saner :P
16:20:20	EXetoC	I wonder if it can be made transparently with traits
16:20:32	ekarlso-	does nim have traits a'la scala / rust ?
16:21:16	Araq	ugh. pring skyfex_ renesac
16:21:20	Araq	*ping lol
16:22:53	ekarlso-	hmm, can a query string typically have multiple keys of the same value ? like name=foo&name=bar ?
16:23:32	Araq	I'm quite sure that's possible. the web standards are so bad it's not even funny anymore.
16:24:06	EXetoC	maybe if "for x in y" would work for 'pairs' too, when 'items' is absent
16:24:35	EXetoC	we need to redesign the web technologies :p
16:24:40	Araq	EXetoC: no. not *more* magic. the implict 'items' is already broken for template instantiation
16:24:40	ekarlso-	hmm
16:24:54	ekarlso-	maybe make querystring be a seq of tuples then or ? ^
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16:27:28	EXetoC	Araq: fair enough. maybe an interface on top of that then, but it might be best to wait until traits have been fixed
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16:29:06	Araq	ekarlso-: dom96 has the same problem with HTTP headers
16:29:28	Araq	I told him to use a dedicated data structure for it, but he has other plans
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16:46:21	ekarlso-	can I go from a stringtable to something that matches a openarray[tuple[k, v: string]?
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17:00:00	dts|pokeball	renesac, yeah... i was too tired to realize that last night
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17:09:25	ekarlso-	dom96: https://bpaste.net/show/cf9899773de9 < seen that before ?
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17:43:50	Ether-plays-4fun	Hi all. Any hints for "Error: redefinition of 'fileHandle' {.deprecated: [fileHandle: getFileHandle].}"
17:43:55	Ether-plays-4fun	?
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17:44:26	BlaXpirit	Ether-plays-4fun, give code -_-
17:44:40	Ether-plays-4fun	When compiling nimble.
17:44:47	BlaXpirit	oh...
17:44:51	Ether-plays-4fun	d:\msys64\mingw64\lib\nim\system.nim(2445, 21) Error: redefinition of 'fileHandle'
17:45:10	BlaXpirit	wat
17:45:27	Ether-plays-4fun	What part?
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17:46:47	BlaXpirit	I don't understand how this is possible, in system.nim
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17:47:48	Ether-plays-4fun	Hmm.
17:47:54	Ether-plays-4fun	What's the importance of nimfix?
17:48:01	dts|pokeball	Ether-plays-4fun, yeah... i was getting errors in the stdlib when compiling nimble last night as well
17:48:04	Ether-plays-4fun	I see "when not defined(nimfix):" just before the line.
17:49:15	Ether-plays-4fun	When I define nimfix, I get past the error (but get another one :D).
17:52:22	Ether-plays-4fun	// Be back later.
17:52:59	EXetoC	# cya
17:53:12	BlaXpirit	(* lel *)
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18:04:06	ekarlso-	should using var resp = await client.get("http://foo.com") inside a jester app route cause SIGSERV illegal storage ?
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18:05:44	EXetoC	does the name 'resp' have anything to do with it? is client nil?
18:07:19	ekarlso-	ya, correct!
18:07:31	ekarlso-	*stupid
18:09:27	EXetoC	the former or the latter?
18:09:56	ekarlso-	resp variable :)
18:11:53	EXetoC	then there's no reason for it to segfault
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18:13:47	ekarlso-	:)
18:15:45	EXetoC	maybe compile with -d:release and --stackTrace:on and then re-run
18:16:19	EXetoC	or just simply without -d:release but I think this is a good diagnostics/speed compromise
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18:19:15	EXetoC	you also have -d:quick though. maybe it's almost as fast
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18:24:21	EXetoC	nevermind that last comment, and I was referring to the compilation of nim
18:27:39	ekarlso-	is there any code to parse a query string to something useful ? I'm guessing no but
18:30:56	EXetoC	it would be nice if you could try to output some diagnostics. you can also do "./koch temp" (with no -d:release) which will output bin/nim_temp
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18:35:05	gokr	HakanD_: Svensk?
18:35:46	HakanD_	: gokr nope from Turkey
18:35:58	gokr	Ah! Hakan, right.
18:36:06	gokr	Håkan is a common swedish name
18:36:24	HakanD_	Hmm, didn't know that (:
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18:37:49	gokr	HakanD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A5kan
18:38:49	sillesta	gokr: svensk!
18:38:58	gokr	Ah, kul!
18:39:04	reactormonk	How do I encode string slices? Error: 'Slice' is not a concrete type.
18:39:47	reactormonk	I'm only interested in storing the slice data itself, not the actual string represented inside the slice.
18:42:00	EXetoC	x = y..z (proc `..`*[T](a, b: T): Slice[T]) ?
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18:42:44	reactormonk	so store y and z separate in the object? I was hoping for object: position: Slice
18:43:46	ldlework	What's the best thing for unit testing?
18:44:00	reactormonk	ldlework, there's only unittest
18:44:18	ldlework	k
18:44:22	EXetoC	there is that, and then good old assert
18:46:15	ekarlso-	let data = s.split("&").map((s: string) => (s.split("="))).map((i: seq[string]) => (i[0], i[1])) < I love nim..
18:46:34	ekarlso-	gokr: :D
18:46:45	reactormonk	ekarlso-, the scala version is shorter, but also slower ;-)
18:46:55	ekarlso-	:P
18:46:56	ldlework	hmm why doesn't unit test show up here? http://nim-lang.org/lib.html
18:47:12	ekarlso-	well, if you could do something like in rust
18:47:21	ekarlso-	you could actually skip having to do multiple maps -,,-
18:47:43	EXetoC	reactormonk: I can't find fowl's slice lib thing. it's still just a huge blob of modules :p
18:48:14	reactormonk	EXetoC, you could look some more?
18:48:38	ekarlso-	s.split("&").map(|i| {let x = i.split("="); (i[0], i[1])}) < kinda
18:48:48	ekarlso-	would be nice :D
18:49:03	EXetoC	reactormonk: not now. I think it was him though. look around in nimlibs
18:49:13	ldlework	guys
18:49:26	reactormonk	ekarlso-, there's the do syntax...
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18:49:37	reactormonk	which doesn't make it shorter, really :-/
18:49:48	ekarlso-	:P
18:50:49	ldlework	where is the documentation for unittest
18:51:08	reactormonk	Go look in the 4th dimension - somewhere in the future.
18:51:08	ldlework	I mean I know it is here, http://nim-lang.org/unittest.html
18:51:24	ldlework	but why isn't it linked to from http://nim-lang.org/lib.html
18:51:40	reactormonk	Hm. Someone probably forgot.
18:52:46	ldlework	not that the unit test documentation is very useful..
18:52:50	reactormonk	^^
18:53:04	reactormonk	EXetoC, nimlibs?
18:55:01	ekarlso-	hmm
18:55:03	ekarlso-	can you do
18:55:08	ekarlso-	from x import Foo as Bar ?
18:55:19	reactormonk	I think so
18:55:47	ekarlso-	packages.nim(5, 69) Error: identifier expected, but found 'Response as ClientResponse'
18:56:00	reactormonk	apparently not
18:56:26	ekarlso-	hah, that kinda sucks then if 2 packages has the same thing :P
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18:56:45	reactormonk	nah, just gotta use full identifiers aka x.Foo
18:57:17	Araq	packageA.Response, packageB.Response is possible. not for ldlework perhaps, but others manage to do that.
18:57:44	Araq	ldlework: the unittest module is not officially supported because of bugs, so no docs.
18:58:08	Araq	ofc that doesn't stop anybody from using it so we cannot remove it either ...
18:58:42	reactormonk	Is it possible to make non-concrete type outside the stdlib?
18:59:05	ekarlso-	lib/core/macros.nim(273, 38) Error: ambiguous identifier: 'Response' -- use a qualifier
18:59:07	ekarlso-	...
18:59:25	Ether-plays-4fun	Hi. How reliable is --lib parameter?
18:59:40	ekarlso-	so something is going bork
18:59:42	reactormonk	Ether-plays-4fun, it should work as documented
18:59:48	reactormonk	ekarlso-, looks like it
18:59:57	ekarlso-	Araq: what u say to ^?
18:59:59	Ether-plays-4fun	I get this:
19:00:01	Ether-plays-4fun	nimble.nim(4, 7) Error: cannot open 'httpclient'
19:00:01	Ether-plays-4fun	import httpclient, parseopt, os, strutils, osproc, pegs, tables, parseutils,
19:00:33	ldlework	Araq: ah
19:01:13	ekarlso-	stuck again then :P
19:01:53	Ether-plays-4fun	How can I check which config file is loaded?
19:02:11	reactormonk	Ether-plays-4fun, it should tell you when the complier loads them
19:02:22	Ether-plays-4fun	I've got a feeling that nim.cfg isn't loaded.
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19:04:04	Ether-plays-4fun	Hmm. It tries to load it from %AppData%.
19:04:24	Araq	Ether-plays-4fun: the compiler tells you exactly what config file it uses
19:05:00	Ether-plays-4fun	How about when it doesn't find it? Would it tell me that?
19:06:56	reactormonk	It doesn't show up.
19:08:03	Ether-plays-4fun	Hmm. What determines the config lookup path?
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19:09:53	EXetoC	reactormonk: I could only find this https://github.com/AdrianV/nimrod-tools/blob/master/seqslices.nim and it's only for sequences
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19:18:33	skyfex_	Araq: sup?
19:18:59	Araq	your patch breaks code
19:19:25	Araq	and I'm trying to fix it but I don't really get why unsigned needs to be compatible to 'int'
19:20:00	Araq	the rules are complex already and they'll get more complex and subtle with these additions
19:24:00	skyfex_	I'm aware that this commit creates problems: https://github.com/skyfex/Nim/commit/7592c9cf22524332ef4b60bf050c046254685e9f but I don't believe I created a pull request for it?
19:26:12	skyfex_	Oh, I see that it sneaked in with the "support for 'u64 literals". I did not intend for that to happen.
19:26:54	skyfex_	Does a pull-request always reference the head of a branch? I thought it reference a specific commit or series of commits?
19:27:55	reactormonk	skyfex_, no, it's the head.
19:28:21	skyfex_	I'd recommend that you just revert that commit, and I hope you will accept my sincerest apologies for being a Git n00b :(
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19:29:13	dom96	skyfex_: You should always create a new branch for each PR.
19:29:36	dom96	perhaps it would be a good idea for us to make this a rule for all PRs
19:29:56	skyfex_	dom96: Thanks, that makes sense, given how pull requests work
19:30:38	Araq	skyfex_: ah ok! lol.
19:30:44	Araq	that explains a lot.
19:31:10	Araq	I thought you tested it insufficiently :P
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19:37:04	dom96	ekarlso-: Yeah, unfortunately that seems to be an intermittent corruption that is still lurking.
19:38:25	ldlework	Araq: I need anchors! :)
19:38:43	dom96	ekarlso-: or does that happen with `var resp = await client.get("http://foo.com")` ?
19:39:02	dom96	in any case, a segfault with that code is a bug and you should report it.
19:39:06	dom96	in jester's repo
19:39:17	reactormonk	Araq, how come Slice is not a concrete type?
19:40:04	EXetoC	ekarlso-: did you see the last things I wrote?
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19:40:21	skyfex_	Araq: About the rules, I agree they're quite complex and that the uint conversions makes it worse. I was trying to get a better understanding of how type conversion works before I continued committing or proposing anything.
19:40:56	ekarlso-	EXetoC: ? ^
19:42:52	ekarlso-	I fixed it..
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19:43:52	dom96	ekarlso-: We definitely need better closure syntax.
19:44:09	dom96	That said, what you are doing is likely much slower than a couple of for each loops.
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19:51:35	ekarlso-	dom96: at this stage I dont think it matters :P
19:52:01	def-	dom96, ekarlso- yeah, i have a few measurements for that: https://github.com/def-/nim-iterutils/blob/master/src/iterutils.nim
19:53:44	dom96	def-: Where are the results for these measurements?
19:53:57	def-	in the top comment block
19:54:14	def-	https://github.com/def-/nim-iterutils/blob/master/src/iterutils.nim#L20-L55
19:55:33	dom96	oh, didn't notice the times.
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19:59:18	ekarlso-	can I get better errors then SIGSEGV: Illegal storage access. (Attempt to read from nil?)
19:59:26	ekarlso-	when something like that happens
20:00:58	Araq	ekarlso-: how come you never read stack traces?
20:01:10	EXetoC	I did tell you. you built with -d:release?
20:01:15	ekarlso-	ah, sorry
20:03:09	ekarlso-	https://bpaste.net/show/a507a01f2c6b I dont see where it happens though
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20:04:42	dom96	unfortunately async stack traces need improvement
20:05:32	Araq	why do they still need improvement?
20:05:42	Araq	you worked on them, right?
20:05:45	dom96	Araq: Take a look at ekarlso-'s paste
20:05:51	Araq	yes
20:05:53	dom96	not really
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20:06:00	Araq	my question is why are they still so bad? :P
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20:07:08	dom96	because I don't know how to improve them
20:07:44	Araq	what's our twitter url again?
20:07:48	Araq	nim_lang ?
20:07:57	def-	yes
20:09:26	ekarlso-	hopeless to actually see where something went wrong -,,.
20:10:38	dom96	something to do with httpclient.get
20:10:47	dom96	show me your code
20:12:09	ekarlso-	dom96: actually it was due do accessing something like jobject["id"].str vs .num
20:12:37	Araq	ekarlso-: you get an assertion failure for that
20:12:46	Araq	or some other exception
20:12:56	Araq	don't use -d:release and complain
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20:18:18	ekarlso-	now then, just to fix JWT support :'(
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20:22:24	dom96	def-: Are you going to make a PR to replace sequtils with iterutils in the stdlib?
20:22:55	dom96	oh wait, I thought they had the same interface.
20:22:58	dom96	I guess not.
20:23:32	Varriount	Meep
20:23:37	def-	dom96: i don't know what's wanted in the stdlib and what not. iterutils don't even work right now anyway, because of a compiler bug
20:23:47	def-	2 compiler bugs*
20:23:56	Araq	yay
20:24:16	def-	Araq: they're reported already
20:25:01	Varriount	Araq: Sorry I wasn't around yesterday, I was recovering from travel
20:26:14	ekarlso-	https://nim-pkg.svcs.io:8080 < current packages stuff
20:26:27	ekarlso-	a bit broken atm with token stuffs but
20:26:56	Araq	ldlework: 40%
20:27:09	Varriount	Wee!
20:27:23	Araq	Varriount: no worries
20:27:34	Araq	ldlework: 60%
20:28:19	Araq	ldlework: 80%
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20:29:01	Araq	ldlework: upload complete.
20:29:06	Varriount	Anyone know if dispatching to a procedure reference in a type is has a higher likelyhook of invalidating the cache vs multimethods?
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20:29:40	Araq	Varriount: function pointers are still much faster than multimethods
20:29:51	Araq	factor 3x or something like that
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20:30:15	Araq	they also work much better with our effect system
20:30:57	Varriount	Araq: Is there any advantage to using multimethods vs function pointers?
20:31:42	Araq	not in my opinion but mm give a more traditional OO system
20:32:05	Varriount	Huh? Howso?
20:32:10	Araq	well they do save space when you have lots of them
20:32:50	Araq	and are optimized to static calls if you don't use the polymorphism, I tend to forget about that
20:33:11	Varriount	Araq: Unless you use a dispatch table (for saving space)
20:33:23	Varriount	But then you have the nasty double dereference
20:34:04	Araq	with the upcoming DLL support for MMs they won't get faster anytime soon, unless Mat4-work gives us some JIT voodoo
20:36:09	Varriount	Araq: I started a "Common Conventions and Practices" guide for Nim, yesterday on the train, but I only have two things - using init<Type> and new<Type> procedure names, and warning about using inheritance with object types.
20:36:41	skyfex_	Araq: Using int/int8/int16 etc. as a function call `int8(x)` .. where is that defined and implemented? I can't seem to find it explained in the manual either, although I could've missed it
20:36:47	Varriount	I wrote something about multimethods vs function pointer dispatch, however it looks like most of what I wrote regarding that is garbage.
20:36:57	Varriount	skyfex_: That's a conversion.
20:37:06	Araq	skyfex_: "type conversions" in the manual
20:37:15	Araq	above "cast" iirc
20:37:46	skyfex_	Yeah
20:37:48	skyfex_	Found it
20:39:30	Araq	Varriount: I just saw tut1 has a nice section about variable shadowing
20:39:42	Araq	that's certainly something you should include
20:39:52	Varriount	Araq: Will do, thanks.
20:41:30	Varriount	Araq: I have the possible fix for the tester hanging, I just need to test it.
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20:41:44	Varriount	(which is, on reflection, ironic)
20:42:53	flaviu	Varriount: https://github.com/Araq/Nim/pull/1943
20:44:25	skyfex_	Araq: type conversion as described in the manual only work on int/float types, yeah?
20:44:51	Araq	skyfex_: no, object types for supporting inheritance
20:45:02	Araq	conversions from 'distinct T' to 'T'
20:45:20	ekarlso-	any feedback would be nice..
20:45:21	Araq	maybe others I forgot about
20:45:37	Araq	ekarlso-: sorry. I'm busy
20:46:10	skyfex_	Araq: Thanks, maybe that should be described in the manual
20:46:31	flaviu	ekarlso-: Looks fine, but it breaks when I log in.
20:46:45	ekarlso-	flaviu: working on it :p
20:47:04	Araq	skyfex_: it is, but not in this section. but yes. PRs welcome as usual
20:47:30	flaviu	ekarlso-: Ok. Also, anonymous users should not be able to submit packages.
20:48:24	flaviu	ekarlso-: HP Cloud?
20:48:40	flaviu	I've never heard of that before
20:49:01	ekarlso-	flaviu: heh, I just used it when generating the cert..
20:49:04	ekarlso-	template I have
20:49:19	ekarlso-	I'll state though that HP is not involved at all for this.
20:50:17	flaviu	It's not a good idea to make a certificate with their name on it, but it's of little enough importance at this stage.
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20:57:27	Araq	hi pjc welcome
20:57:52	pjc	hi Araq. Thanks
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21:00:19	ekarlso-	flaviu: need to fix JWT support before the auth stuff works correctly :'(
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21:27:07	Araq	so who's ready for some mini DSL design questions?
21:27:29	Araq	I'm designing a much more sophisticated 'importcpp' pragma
21:27:52	Araq	the idea is that you can give it a pattern to better support C++
21:28:12	Araq	right now I have this:
21:28:30	Araq	$#.$#($#) # method call
21:28:47	Araq	$#($#) # ordinary ('static') call
21:29:00	Araq	new $# # invoke 'new T'
21:29:34	Araq	$#.$#<$#>($#) # templated method call
21:30:30	Araq	$# + $# # invoke + operator
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21:36:45	flaviu	ex, $#($@)
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21:37:48	Araq	but all these $# are not consistent with how strutils.% would do it, so I might as well just use #
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21:39:12	Araq	or I might pick proper subex syntax
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21:40:41	flaviu	Borrow a bit of notation from perl and do `$$($@)`?
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21:41:05	Araq	well things like <$#> are context dependent
21:41:16	Araq	otherwise the type parameters are not even generated
21:41:30	flaviu	`$T@`?
21:41:38	Araq	so I can only borrow so much
21:42:52	renesac	Araq: prong
21:42:55	Araq	flaviu: there are not so many special characters left since we support C++'s operators verbatim
21:43:04	renesac	I see that skyfex_ already answered you
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21:43:12	Araq	indeed
21:43:32	Araq	oh come on. do these net splits never stop tonight?
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21:44:04	dom96	Araq:
21:44:04	dom96	-mquin- [Global Notice] We are about to start rehubbing the network ahead of planned maintenance work. This will cause some netsplits, but should be completed shortly. Thank you for your patience and for flying freenode! :)
21:44:07	renesac	well, working with uints is a pain w/o better conversion rules, especially because literal numbers are quite incompatible with uints as it is
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21:44:27	renesac	Araq: they answered you
21:44:29	Araq	renesac: they are not.
21:44:40	Araq	int literals get special treatment
21:44:41	flaviu	Araq: $ is not a valid operator or identifier in standards-conforming C++.
21:44:43	ekarlso-	flaviu: what stuff does hs256 ?
21:44:48	ekarlso-	openssl ?
21:44:51	Araq	flaviu: yes
21:45:26	Araq	but after $ and @ you need something for template types and then it starts to get ugly
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21:45:41	renesac	Araq: I can't even test if a uint is == 0, w/o converting zero first
21:46:21	renesac	Araq: why don't you do a NEP on this dsl issue?
21:46:25	renesac	:)
21:46:57	Araq	renesac: no. I need it done tonight
21:47:22	flaviu	ekarlso-: HS256 == HMAC using SHA-256
21:47:35	renesac	Araq: why the hurry?
21:47:38	ekarlso-	flaviu: ahhh
21:47:50	Araq	flaviu: and the contextual syntax is much nicer anyway. #.#<#, #>(#)
21:47:58	flaviu	ekarlso-: read the standard: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-jose-json-web-algorithms-38
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21:48:28	flaviu	Araq: It's too complicated, but I can't stop you from doing things however you'd like.
21:48:50	flaviu	Nim needs to be simplified more than it needs to be made more complicated.
21:49:25	Araq	flaviu: C++ support in the FFI is not where you can cut down complexity
21:49:35	ekarlso-	flaviu: man that's TLDR for now..
21:50:11	flaviu	ekarlso-: Well, you better read it if you want to implement it. http://www.askyb.com/cpp/openssl-hmac-hasing-example-in-cpp/ is useful if you want to know how to do an HMAC with openssl.
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21:51:05	flaviu	Araq: But you can cut down on complexity in parsing the description.
21:51:49	Araq	flaviu: fair point. but parsing is a finger exercise
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21:54:44	flaviu	btw, netsplit? http://i.imgur.com/Bq3AoK5.png What netsplit? :P
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21:56:12	Araq	renesac: I'll have a look then, but int literals can easily be made compatible to uints
21:56:16	ekarlso-	flaviu: does the poenssl lib in nim do hmac?
21:56:56	EXetoC	renesac: typing the 0 as unsigned is not necessary
21:56:58	renesac	Araq: and being able to add a uint8 to a int is also very usefull...
21:57:02	EXetoC	what you have to do is import unsigned in any case
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21:57:19	renesac	EXetoC: I don't know if it changed
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21:57:35	flaviu	ekarlso-: Nope, but it should be trivial to wrap
21:57:43	renesac	even importing unsigned
21:57:49	renesac	even importing unsigned
21:57:54	EXetoC	renesac: it must have been quite some time ago. how long have you been using nim?
21:58:00	EXetoC	renesac: you often needs unsigned types?
21:58:19	renesac	yep
21:58:24	ekarlso-	flaviu: so unchartered waters then *again*
21:58:27	renesac	https://github.com/Araq/Nim/issues/936
21:58:28	ekarlso-	*d0h*
21:58:32	renesac	EXetoC: here the issue
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22:00:43	flaviu	ekarlso-: It really is trivial
22:01:05	Araq	renesac: we can fix this by adding more overloads for '+' etc. in unsigned.nim
22:01:12	ekarlso-	flaviu: guess I'll try tmrw..
22:01:36	flaviu	c2nim should deal with 7 functions and a struct without problems.
22:01:38	Araq	though converters should already have low priority, dunno why adding these causes code breakage
22:01:59	EXetoC	Araq: why weren't the actual types not moved there?
22:02:02	ekarlso-	flaviu: c2nim you mean for me ?
22:02:05	Araq	renesac: either way, we can fix this without more complex rules in the compiler itself
22:02:06	renesac	EXetoC: in most of what I write in nim, that can't be written in python for example because of performance, I work with bytes, not really numbers
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22:02:23	renesac	Araq: and array indexing with uints?
22:02:31	flaviu	ekarlso-: yep
22:02:32	EXetoC	renesac: the array indexing issue is barely an issue though
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22:02:44	renesac	errr, no
22:02:47	renesac	look up tables
22:02:49	renesac	etc
22:03:14	renesac	usually with uint8
22:03:18	ekarlso-	flaviu: how you use that ?
22:03:27	flaviu	c2nim header.h
22:03:27	Araq	so give the array index type as what you need
22:04:14	renesac	what?
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22:04:24	EXetoC	right, an array rather than a sequence
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22:04:45	Araq	const lookupArray: array [0..5u8, char] = [ ... ]
22:05:21	renesac	oh, I didn't know that it was possible
22:05:21	EXetoC	doesn't work though
22:05:48	renesac	but then I can't addres it with integers, right?
22:05:50	EXetoC	"range is empty". will look for existing issues
22:06:04	EXetoC	just convert the value
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22:06:31	renesac	yeah, but those conversions everywhere are tiring, and polute the code
22:06:35	EXetoC	alternatively add your own abstractions by defining a type
22:06:56	renesac	and you aways forget some, and then have to correct and recompile, and so on
22:07:13	Araq	ok, that's broken right now (the array index)
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22:07:28	Araq	but that's just a bug, nothing that needs a language redesign
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22:07:52	renesac	and the manual says that widening conversions for integers are automatic, and that is really the best, if it worked
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22:08:20	Araq	but it breaks someUint16 shr 5
22:08:24	EXetoC	what you just mentioned is not a case of widening though
22:08:26	ekarlso-	c2nim --header /usr/include/openssl/hmac.h -o hmac.nim ?
22:08:49	Araq	because then the 'int' version matches better etc.
22:08:52	renesac	Araq: indeed
22:09:03	renesac	that was the last problem we were discussing...
22:09:43	EXetoC	a signed number might be outside the range
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22:11:01	ekarlso-	flaviu: any hints would be uber
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22:11:48	flaviu	ekarlso-: Well, it's literally just `c2nim header.h`, but on further investigation, it seems like hmac.h includes some other headers.
22:12:14	flaviu	so that's insufficient.
22:12:15	ekarlso-	great :p
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22:13:46	renesac_	hi again
22:14:05	renesac_	the problem with shl is the function definition
22:14:20	renesac_	it should accept distinct SomeInteger
22:14:24	ekarlso-	clues then flaviu ?
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22:14:50	renesac_	so no need to reach the minimum common denominator for that
22:14:54	flaviu	ekarlso-: Working on it. Maybe I can use some regexes to eliminate superflous includes and pass it through the preproessor?
22:15:14	ekarlso-	flaviu: I dunno :/ I got no clue on C code
22:15:17	ekarlso-	and it's late here :|
22:15:33	flaviu	ekarlso-: go to bed then, this might take a while
22:15:44	ekarlso-	flaviu: leave me a ping :)
22:15:46	ekarlso-	adios
22:21:47	flaviu	c2nim doesn't support functions returning a function pointer apparently.
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22:22:07	Araq	flaviu: quite possible
22:22:18	Araq	you're welcome to fix it :P
22:22:32	Araq	I'm still not sure I got the FP syntax
22:22:54	Araq	apparently you can leave out the * sometimes
22:23:21	Araq	you can also do this iirc:
22:23:30	flaviu	Araq: That bit me once, I left out the * accidentally and everything broke.
22:23:45	Araq	void (*fn)( int, int) typedef const;
22:24:03	Araq	'typedef' is just some qualifier
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22:25:41	Araq	C's syntax fits C's semantics perfectly. it's garbage.
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22:26:18	keyle	morning
22:27:09	EXetoC	oh no the memories are coming back
22:27:32	flaviu	C wasn't that bad. I never had the compiler crash ;)
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22:28:14	def-	flaviu: I did, but it turned out to be a single defective bit in my RAM...
22:28:35	flaviu	def-: non-ecc pleb :P
22:28:48	EXetoC	did you poke it? maybe that fixes it
22:29:00	keyle	Araq: the mac is still running, I will leave it on for the day
22:29:10	EXetoC	right, it's not like a hdd :p
22:29:15	Araq	flaviu: that's always your argument when you have no real arguments left.
22:29:30	def-	EXetoC: i just disabled a few bytes of memory around it, now it's fine
22:29:51	Araq	so ooohh software with paid devs on it has fewer bugs. big news.
22:30:03	flaviu	Araq: It is, I won't argue otherwise
22:30:52	Araq	you don't have to compare C to Nim if Nim is an unstable piece of crap for you. you can compare it against most other languages instead.
22:31:11	Araq	they all have much saner syntax and semantics.
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22:43:48	flaviu	I came across an interesting idea in Marpa::R2.
22:44:13	flaviu	What if the parser told the lexer what tokens it wants and the lexer tries to give it those tokens?
22:45:12	Araq	works and for some languages even required (C / C++)
22:45:17	flaviu	an interesting idea they came up with was "ruby slippers". If the lexer cannot fulfill the request, it returns the expected result anyway.
22:45:46	flaviu	And an error, but the parser has no idea what's happened and can continue with the parse as usual.
22:45:54	Araq	you can do all sorts of hacks in the lexer-parser interaction
22:46:18	Araq	you can even do without a lexer at all
22:46:32	flaviu	I was just thinking about it while resolving keyword collisions in this header :)
22:47:01	Araq	c2nim now quotes keywords for you
22:47:14	flaviu	I must have an old version then
22:47:22	Araq	yes
22:47:35	Araq	it can also do --nep1 for you
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22:49:36	flaviu	They used the ruby slippers to parse html, really interesting stuff.
22:52:22	flaviu	https://gist.github.com/flaviut/5dc7af1cace0549ebd3f
22:52:38	flaviu	"illegal recursion", but all the recursion is behind ptrs
22:53:44	Araq	maybe not for CRYPTO_EX_DATA
22:54:16	flaviu	Nope, that's just a pointer and an int
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22:54:57	Araq	report it, it's interesting
22:56:38	EXetoC	is the callback to blame?
22:58:14	flaviu	There are other errors, maybe the compiler is getting confused
22:58:56	dom96	Araq: oh yeah. Did you ever tell me what the best way to improve async stack traces would be?
22:59:34	Araq	dom96: I can't remember
22:59:52	dom96	well, what is the best way?
23:00:05	Araq	dom96: I don't know
23:01:18	def-	dom96: can't you disable stack trace creation at all these cb calls?
23:01:44	flaviu	dom96: What about rethrowing the exception?
23:01:50	flaviu	That's that Java does
23:01:58	dom96	def-: I can but that would just remove information.
23:02:14	dom96	flaviu: That's what I do as well.
23:02:35	EXetoC	so, reduce repetitions? and show a count of course
23:03:05	flaviu	Java's exception rethrowing is interesting: It changes the display order of the stack frames.
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23:05:47	keyle	"That's what Java does" is probably the worst suggestion one can make
23:06:05	keyle	:)
23:07:34	EXetoC	how come :p
23:07:46	flaviu	keyle: Java doesn't do everything wrong, it'd be quite nice if it had user-defined value types.
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23:08:59	Araq	and typedefs. and proper higher order functions. and some sort of sum type. and bitsets. and a macro system.
23:09:24	Araq	and perhaps some form of coroutines.
23:09:41	keyle	I deal with java exceptions every day, I get shivers when I hear suggestions of doing it like Java.
23:09:42	flaviu	Araq: It sort of has macros, Java 8 has "good enough" higher order functions. Value types open the door to bitsets.
23:10:46	Araq	and then you only need to get rid of reflection entirely because it makes it unusable for embedded development
23:11:06	Araq	or the covariance for arrays misfeature
23:11:53	flaviu	dom96: Did you have fun wrapping openssl? I'm not :/
23:12:18	dom96	flaviu: Why are you rewrapping it?
23:12:27	flaviu	dom96: Your wrapper is incomplete.
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23:13:59	Araq	a non-broken switch statement would also be nice, for those of us who know that dynamic dispatch doesn't replace it nor should it.
23:15:43	Araq	and then you only have to throw away the entire standard library. :-)
23:16:12	flaviu	Araq: The java standard library is excellent IMO
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23:18:28	Araq	new BufferedReader(new Stream(new File()))
23:18:44	flaviu	Looks good to me.
23:19:20	Araq	C does it with a simple function call.
23:19:36	Araq	a single function call.
23:22:53	EXetoC	that provides the exact same functionality?
23:23:14	Araq	not quite. it's much faster too.
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23:24:18	Mat4	can someone please explain to me why that example is excellent and how this lead to efficiency in terms of CPU and memory usage ?
23:25:05	EXetoC	maximum speed is rarely needed
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23:25:16	EXetoC	for every aspect of a program that is
23:26:18	Mat4	yes, probably energy consumption is however
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23:55:55	renesac	https://github.com/nim-lang <-- this still uses nimrod-lang.org link
23:56:45	dom96	fixed
23:59:08	Araq	flaviu: btw I made the DSL easier
23:59:41	Araq	<> stands for "emit template type"
23:59:52	Araq	() for "emit remaining parameters"