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04:31:48def-pri-pubIt there a tutorial out there on how to use Macros? The one on "Nim By Example," looks a little complicated to me
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04:58:36Araqhttps://github.com/araq/nimatxored cannot upload the slides right now
04:58:45Araqso you need to build it on your own
04:59:12Araqhas lots of macro examples though
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05:21:58def-pri-pubIs there a link to the talk?
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05:29:42def-pri-pubnight ugys
05:29:43def-pri-pubguys*
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09:26:06ArrrrIf you want to write macros, this can help you https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/doc/astspec.txt
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16:12:17cheatfatedoes anybody has problem with github?
16:12:23cheatfatei mean access to site?
16:15:34Vladaryep
16:16:06Vladar"No server is currently available to service your request."
16:16:40Calinouyes, it's down: https://status.github.com/
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17:53:30krux02Araq: thanks for fixing the bugs that I mentioned without creating even an issue
17:53:45Araqhmm?
17:54:53Araqmust have been subconsciously while watching Bojack Horseman
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17:57:58krux02I once complained that ref types on the NimVm don't work properly, my use case works now
17:58:10krux02I don't know when that happened, but it did happen
17:59:00krux02I don't know if it was you personally, but since you do so much on Nim I just assumed that
17:59:59krux02same with 'threads' module not being findable from 'theindex.html'
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18:12:03Araqalright :-)
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19:39:11dyce[m]could someone help me out with concepts? https://glot.io/snippets/em5iow9yjz
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19:52:11Araqwait until I merged the new concept branch
19:53:08Araqbut it looks like you're missing import strutils
20:00:23dyce[m]Araq: i added strutils and fixed isEmptyOrNil to isNilOrEmpty (even removed that line). in that snippet am i using concepts as intended?
20:01:12Araqnot quite
20:01:23Araqconcepts are generic constraints
20:01:44Araqyou seem to want to enforce that name is not empty
20:01:58Araqthat's a constraint for the value at runtime
20:02:10dyce[m]yeah that make sense
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20:10:42Araq--reportConceptFailures:on helps to see the mistakes in concepts
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20:17:50dyce[m]Araq: would it be decent for checking Nil or just leave that for a pure functional languages (not sure if it makes sense to adopt ideas from Haskell for example since everything is immutable)
20:17:54dyce[m]https://gist.github.com/PhilipWitte/33819b40112a18c30b43 is this more fit?
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20:18:45dyce[m]which reminds me of a interface
20:18:48dyce[m]an*
20:18:58Araqyes, but it's different. very different.
20:19:09Araqbut your example is perfectly fine.
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20:48:52krux02I have a weird bug, where depending on how I name my variables the executable overrides memory of other variables.
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20:50:38krux02that makes it incredibly hard to extract an example with just that bug
20:51:25krux02because just a simple rename of a variable can make the bug disappear.
20:58:50cheatfatekrux02, looks like you smashing stack
20:59:08cheatfatekrux02, do you on windows?
20:59:13krux02nope
20:59:18krux02Manjaro Linux
20:59:34cheatfatehmm
20:59:47cheatfatestack smashing is happens with windows often
21:00:02cheatfateare you playing with `ptr`?
21:00:10krux02I am trying to isolate the bug, but it is very hard
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21:00:23krux02renaming the module file alone changes the outcome
21:00:30krux02no ptr
21:00:41krux02I use static a lot
21:00:52Araq"heap dump" feature has arrived
21:01:13krux02I don't use help variables either
21:01:18krux02currently everything is stack
21:01:50krux02I implement an N dimensional Tensor library
21:02:19krux02matrices are easy, they only have two dimensional ints
21:02:23krux02N and M
21:02:31krux02with tensors it is a bit more complicated
21:02:45krux02they can be arbitrary dimensional
21:02:55krux02meaning I have a seqence of ints
21:03:22krux02I started with ``dims: static seq[int]``
21:03:32Araqvar names are not stored on the stack
21:03:58krux02what do you mean by that?
21:04:00Araqyou could write into the debug info of your exe
21:04:37krux02Araq: I am sorry I cannot follow you
21:04:54Araq"renaming the module file alone changes the outcome"
21:05:19Araqthat doesn't make sense or are you talking about compiler crashes?
21:07:26krux02no I am not talking about compiler crashes, the compile process runs fine
21:07:38krux02and the executable also runs, it just have a wrong result
21:08:07krux02I implemented tensor operations, and the tensor operation wrote at the end of a previous tensor
21:12:02Araqok
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21:15:29krux02ok I did a test: ``diff tensormath.nim tensormatg.nim`` no output identical file
21:16:07krux02tensor3:
21:16:07krux02[0.0, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, 7.0, 8.0, 9.0, 10.0, 11.0, 12.0, 13.0, 14.0, 15.0, 16.0, 17.0, 18.0, 19.0, 20.0, 21.0, 22.0, 23.0, -0.0, -1.0, -2.0]
21:16:20krux02tensor3:
21:16:20krux02[0.0, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, 7.0, 8.0, 9.0, 10.0, 11.0, 12.0, 13.0, 14.0, 15.0, 16.0, 17.0, 18.0, 19.0, 20.0, 21.0, 22.0, 23.0, 24.0, 25.0, 26.0]
21:16:57krux02-0 -1 -2 is where in tensor3 oviously got a write
21:17:03krux02that is super weird
21:17:23krux02all I changed was one character in the name of the module
21:26:10Araqthe bug is most likely in both executables
21:26:29Araqbut only triggers in one case, maybe because of stack address randomizations
21:26:44AraqI wouldn't spend time on the name differences
21:26:55Araqjust debug it like any other corruption
21:34:47krux02Araq: I try to isolate the bug, but somehow that is very hard with all this nondeterminism
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22:43:07krux02Araq: I made an issue about that bug and tried to reduce the file down as much as possible.
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23:07:53def-pri-pubAraq: Do you have a link to your xored talk?
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