<< 13-02-2020 >>

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00:00:17	FromDiscord	<clyybber> yeah
00:00:27	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: This is getting ridiculus: https://www.diffchecker.com/GsWkt8au
00:00:31	FromDiscord	<clyybber> right side fails
00:00:33	FromDiscord	<clyybber> left side workds
00:00:35	FromDiscord	<clyybber> wtf
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00:31:54	FromDiscord	<clyybber> ah damnit
00:32:02	FromDiscord	<clyybber> a stupid fucking precedence error
00:32:03	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I knew it
00:35:06	dom96	ahh, how fun. Emscripten doesn't seem to like the @ in the .c files that Nim now generates
00:35:35	disrupteq	clyybber: i thought it was working?
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00:38:43	FromDiscord	<clyybber> now it works
00:38:52	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: It was working when I manually patched the C
00:38:56	FromDiscord	<clyybber> now it works everywhere
00:39:01	disrupteq	yay
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00:39:38	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I accidentally translated (uint64_t)some * other to uint64_t(some * other)
00:39:52	FromDiscord	<clyybber> which should be uint64_t(some) * other
00:39:59	disrupteq	ah yep.
00:40:46	FromDiscord	<clyybber> now I'm gonna try d2s
00:40:51	FromDiscord	<clyybber> did you already do it?
00:41:18	disrupteq	i dunno. probably.
00:41:35	FromDiscord	<clyybber> does it work?
00:41:51	disrupteq	i haven't tested it since krux's fix.
00:42:25	FromDiscord	<clyybber> krux' fix is live
00:42:31	disrupteq	but there are only a couple tests broken by it. i think it's likely fixed.
00:43:00	disrupteq	i'm watching a car accident victim right now. cannot be bothered.
00:43:22	FromDiscord	<clyybber> oh shit what happened?
00:43:33	disrupteq	kinda cute in a puppy-with-a-crushed-head way.
00:43:57	FromDiscord	<clyybber> aww no
00:44:16	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: Pet him from me will ya?
00:46:18	disrupteq	it's a journalist on telly.
00:46:44	disrupteq	i'll wave at her for you.
00:49:31	disrupteq	actually, i think it wasn't a car.
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00:58:51	FromDiscord	<clyybber> oh
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01:10:31	FromDiscord	<Hippo> Does the stdlib still work if you turn off the nim gc?
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01:11:28	FromDiscord	<Rika> Some, not all
01:12:40	dom96	It's 1am, but I'm so close to getting my game to compile with emscripten
01:14:58	FromDiscord	<Hippo> So I guess I need the soft realtime gc to make sure everything is working? Is that faster than go?
01:15:55	FromDiscord	<Rika> From old benchmarks it is
01:16:02	FromDiscord	<Rika> But it's best if you test it yourself
01:16:11	FromDiscord	<Rika> My experience says yes
01:16:49	FromDiscord	<Rika> And also ar(a)q is developing a move based gc or smth
01:16:54	FromDiscord	<Rika> Which should be even quicker
01:17:05	FromDiscord	<Rika> I think.
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01:18:23	FromDiscord	<Hippo> gotcha
01:19:04	FromDiscord	<Hippo> would do you think of using nim for game dev specifically mobile
01:19:35	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @Hippo You can use --gc:arc
01:19:41	FromDiscord	<Hippo> my plan was to compile to c and then use some c toolchain to generate mobile binaries
01:19:42	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Its no GC
01:19:49	FromDiscord	<clyybber> its more like RAII
01:19:59	FromDiscord	<clyybber> plus pure refcounting
01:20:01	FromDiscord	<Hippo> ooh cool
01:20:12	FromDiscord	<clyybber> its what we are currently working on a lot
01:20:26	FromDiscord	<clyybber> so when you intend to use it you should use #devel
01:20:27	FromDiscord	<Rika> It's the one I mentioned
01:20:36	FromDiscord	<Rika> Just vaguely
01:21:09	FromDiscord	<Hippo> so what about game dev, is nim suited for this?
01:21:45	FromGitter	<Varriount> Undefined behavior?
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01:24:09	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Nim doesnt include interfaces, which i tend to use a lot for gamedev, but it seems like it's good for gamedev to me
01:24:12	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> just need an engine 😄
01:24:31	Tanger	There's bindinggs for the godot engine: https://github.com/pragmagic/godot-nim
01:24:38	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I mean a good engine
01:24:43	Tanger	Haha XD
01:26:04	FromDiscord	<Hippo> yea i dont mind not having a game engine just hoping there are more success stories. I saw one blog post that shipped a game to ios/android
01:27:45	FromDiscord	<Hippo> also nim can probably interop with c/c++ im guessing just dont know if there is a performance hit
01:27:48	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I've been sitting on making a nim engine
01:28:13	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Using bgfx for graphics, sdl for window making, and then an ECS backend system with a relatively minimalistic UI engine 😄
01:28:28	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Using bgfx for graphics, sdl for window making, and then an ECS backend system with a relatively minimalistic UI editor 😄
01:28:38	FromDiscord	<Hippo> I found a nice c lib called sokol recently that does most of that
01:28:53	FromDiscord	<Hippo> its pretty lit
01:29:05	FromDiscord	<Hippo> has a bunch of target backends
01:29:39	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> i mean bgfx is probably good enough
01:29:49	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> It's more a matter of me getting around to making this
01:32:23	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @Hippo Yeah, its good
01:32:23	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Someone already has bindings for it
01:32:35	FromDiscord	<clyybber> There is no performance hit for c/c++ interop
01:32:36	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> cllybber arent you working on a nim engine?
01:32:44	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @Elegant Beef godot isn't bad
01:32:47	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @Elegant Beef Yeah
01:32:53	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> look at gles then say that again 😛
01:32:59	FromDiscord	<clyybber> well
01:33:04	FromDiscord	<clyybber> its getting a vulkan renderer
01:33:12	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> still gles based shader language
01:33:22	FromDiscord	<clyybber> but yeah, I don't like some of their decisions
01:33:26	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Im an hlsl/CG man because of unity 😄
01:33:29	FromDiscord	<clyybber> or directions
01:33:49	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @Elegant Beef I'm an do what you want, if you can compiler it to SPIR-V :p
01:33:54	FromDiscord	<clyybber> guy
01:34:01	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> ah a man of wisdom aswell i see
01:34:07	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> VK or broke in 220
01:34:08	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> VK or broke in 2020
01:34:14	FromDiscord	<clyybber> but in theory I prefer hlsl over glsl too
01:34:40	FromDiscord	<clyybber> in practice I want to use nim tho
01:34:51	FromDiscord	<clyybber> which is possible btw
01:35:12	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> For shaders?
01:35:17	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Yeah
01:35:18	FromDiscord	<clyybber> https://github.com/yglukhov/nimsl
01:35:22	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I mean just convert it to GLSL or HLSL
01:35:26	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> it's not difficult i guess
01:35:45	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Yeah
01:35:49	FromDiscord	<clyybber> thats what the above does
01:35:52	FromDiscord	<clyybber> https://github.com/krux02/opengl-sandbox
01:36:00	FromDiscord	<clyybber> is for everything around opengl
01:37:08	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> There are bgfx bindings but they seem semi old
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01:38:19	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @Elegant Beef Use these: https://github.com/zacharycarter/bgfx.nim
01:38:42	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Hey i said i was contemplating
01:38:52	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> *Let's make it together* 😄
01:39:02	FromDiscord	<clyybber> An engine?
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01:39:07	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> yea
01:39:19	FromDiscord	<clyybber> sure
01:39:25	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I'm using vulkan tho
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01:39:52	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I was mostly kidding
01:40:04	FromDiscord	<clyybber> he
01:40:31	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @Elegant Beef zachary is working on his own game/engine: https://github.com/zacharycarter/zeal
01:40:51	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I think hes not pushed his recent changes tho
01:41:07	FromDiscord	<clyybber> hes around sometimes
01:42:55	disruptek	oh, i was wondering if it was published.
01:43:40	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: Yeah he seemed to have some pretty cool progress
01:44:08	disruptek	yeah, it's awesome to see it evolving.
01:44:34	disruptek	i would love to get into game programming.
01:46:19	disruptek	so i don't see krux's patch in the commits.
01:46:21	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I've primarly done game programming so i barely know how to do anything outside it
01:47:37	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: I meant live as in PRed
01:49:43	disruptek	yeah, i get #nim delivered straight into my brain. krux and i spoke of it.
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01:50:32	disruptek	i'm thinking about a tiny app that works kinda like my irc window, actually.
01:51:09	disruptek	the bot emotes notifications to wayland, i summon irc with a key and cast it away with another.
01:51:47	disruptek	this other app would watch kitty windows and then i could summon them with a code-grep.
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01:52:07	disruptek	like skim or ripgrep or fzf or whatever.
01:53:02	disruptek	i think either i watch vim or i watch kitty; shouldn't be a problem to use either as input. or even both.
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01:55:59	disruptek	maybe i just want that for all windows. fzf'ing their memory would be neat, too.
01:57:08	FromDiscord	<clyybber> wait
01:57:14	FromDiscord	<clyybber> you do not have vim inside kitty?
01:57:21	FromDiscord	<clyybber> you use gvim????
01:57:45	disruptek	nope.
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02:00:13	FromDiscord	<clyybber> aight
02:00:22	disruptek	scrollback is easy to get, so i'll start with that. but i think i want vim buffer data too.
02:00:52	FromDiscord	<clyybber> kitty seems very cool to me
02:01:15	FromDiscord	<clyybber> but the combination of python and C just screams for nitty
02:01:19	silvernode	when specifying a type and trying to assign a variable of type array or seq I get a context error
02:01:21	disruptek	honestly, i've been waiting a long time for software that doesn't piss me right the fuck off.
02:01:54	FromDiscord	<clyybber> silvernode: Hmm, can you make a snippet to repro?
02:01:58	disruptek	kitty has been among the worst of the software i use. but, that said, it's pretty great compared to software i've used in the past.
02:02:04	FromDiscord	<clyybber> oh
02:02:10	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I never used it
02:02:14	FromDiscord	<clyybber> but it *seems* cool
02:02:22	FromDiscord	<clyybber> alacritty is fine for me rn tho
02:02:29	FromDiscord	<clyybber> but kitty seems a bit cooler
02:02:45	FromDiscord	<clyybber> except for the fact that its written in python + c
02:03:03	disruptek	i think alacritty will win, and should win, but a year ago it was kitty's game.
02:03:23	FromDiscord	<clyybber> alacritty is pretty dead
02:03:43	FromDiscord	<clyybber> it has no real active development
02:03:44	disruptek	really? i thought there was a recent release.
02:03:51	FromDiscord	<clyybber> yeah
02:04:00	FromDiscord	<clyybber> but its mostly bugfixes
02:04:10	disruptek	what's bad about that?
02:04:14	FromDiscord	<clyybber> nothing
02:04:19	silvernode	working on a gist
02:04:21	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I mean its in maintenance mode
02:04:40	disruptek	maybe a 1.0 release is expected.
02:04:43	FromDiscord	<clyybber> but some work on the pinned issues would be nice
02:04:54	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I should do it sometimes
02:04:58	disruptek	man, they only have 355 tickets.
02:05:56	disruptek	this project has 20,000 stars.
02:06:02	disruptek	!repo alacritty
02:06:04	disbot	https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty -- 9alacritty: 11A cross-platform, GPU-accelerated terminal emulator 15 20545⭐ 973🍴 7& 29 more...
02:06:11	disruptek	and quite a bit of cutlery.
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02:07:57	madprops	would nim having something built-in to "substring" a seq or string, like (0, 100) would work in something with 8 items, would be too high level and thus not included
02:08:23	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Huh?
02:08:27	disruptek	lol
02:08:30	FromDiscord	<clyybber> You can do [0..100]
02:08:30	FromDiscord	<Kingherring> please defend nim from this "influencer" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCfDLWfPqiA
02:08:40	FromDiscord	<clyybber> oh god
02:08:46	FromDiscord	<clyybber> influencer is a virus
02:09:04	FromDiscord	<clyybber> this whole influencer thing should just die
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02:09:52	FromDiscord	<clyybber> not to mention the article on medium is complete bullshit
02:09:59	FromDiscord	<clyybber> so sad
02:10:00	silvernode	https://gist.github.com/silvernode/003571ac561211212fecd35208762f72
02:10:08	madprops	clyyber: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bAZ
02:10:42	FromDiscord	<clyybber> madprops: Well of course it does??
02:10:46	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Its out of bounds
02:10:49	silvernode	I am really new to types and seqs
02:11:07	madprops	yeah, im wondering if there's something that would just use the lower index number if the second arugment is too big
02:11:21	madprops	like how js uses substring
02:12:05	madprops	also this video is a python tutorial
02:12:41	FromDiscord	<clyybber> madprops: Ah
02:12:46	FromDiscord	<clyybber> You can make your own
02:13:00	FromDiscord	<clyybber> you mean wrap around right?
02:13:09	madprops	is something like this not standard because it's too slow?
02:13:17	silvernode	invalid type: 'T' in this context: 'Ship' for var
02:13:24	silvernode	that's what I get in that gist
02:13:51	FromDiscord	<clyybber> silvernode: Your cargo has to be seq[SomeType]
02:14:08	silvernode	ah ok that makes a lot of sense
02:14:17	silvernode	I am just missing the type there
02:14:22	FromDiscord	<Rika> People be like “eh?? Nim? What the fuck is that?” until 2 years from now where either Nim flourishes or dies out
02:15:05	FromDiscord	<Rika> Honestly think we just need more people to know of Nim
02:15:10	disruptek	this guy is an idiot.
02:15:13	FromDiscord	<clyybber> no
02:15:21	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Nim doesn't flourish or die
02:15:27	FromDiscord	<clyybber> thats not how this works
02:16:29	FromDiscord	<clyybber> how would it "die"?
02:17:03	disruptek	there are too many new programmers being minted every day.
02:17:09	FromDiscord	<clyybber> yeah
02:17:12	FromDiscord	<Rika> Well, if somehow everyone just loses interest, but of course that’s practically impossible
02:17:27	FromDiscord	<Rika> It’s not an impossibility though is what I’m saying
02:17:35	FromDiscord	<clyybber> tbh, I fear some people
02:17:35	madprops	nim gets mentioned ocasionally on 4chan
02:17:42	FromDiscord	<Rika> I don’t like saying something that concrete about the future
02:17:54	FromDiscord	<clyybber> madprops: ha, prolly cuz of solitude
02:19:01	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @Rika Yeah, but in the same way C or C++ dieing is a "possibility"
02:19:15	FromDiscord	<clyybber> if humanity dies
02:19:18	FromDiscord	<Rika> That’s what I did say yes
02:19:47	FromDiscord	<Kingherring> click that dislike button 😄
02:19:53	FromDiscord	<Rika> I don’t know, I have an odd thought process
02:20:18	FromDiscord	<clyybber> heh
02:20:26	madprops	look at D, it has been barely existing for years
02:20:28	FromDiscord	<clyybber> good night peeps
02:20:41	FromDiscord	<clyybber> madprops: It exists pretty persistent tho
02:20:44	disruptek	this guy has 150,000 subscribers and this video only has 4000 views.
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02:20:48	FromDiscord	<clyybber> even gcc
02:21:03	FromDiscord	<Rika> Still, I think the dude in the video forgot that basically all programming languages started out small too
02:21:24	FromDiscord	<clyybber> eh, these people. They don't create anything
02:21:26	FromDiscord	<Rika> Not basically all, literally all, sorry
02:22:31	FromDiscord	<clyybber> they are busy influencing
02:22:43	FromDiscord	<Kingherring> make pro nim comments
02:22:47	FromDiscord	<Kingherring> nim gang uprising
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02:25:22	FromDiscord	<Rika> Ugh the comment section is also annoying to read in that video
02:25:44	disruptek	is this really what us old guys look like?
02:31:31	blueberrypie	most nim references on 4chan is from one very persistent shill (yeah I know who it is). not a good metric
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02:43:28	silvernode	What would I use if I wanted to print out the contents of a seq from index 0 to the end? I just want to format the cargo on the ship so it prints out nice in an echo statement
02:44:25	leorize	for i in seq_goes_here: <do your formatting here>
02:44:40	FromGitter	<gogolxdong> nlvm `Error: internal error: compiler proc not found: nlvmRaise`
02:48:24	disruptek	but seriously. we need some more software that could only have been built in nim.
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02:49:18	leorize	anyone wanna make function multi versioning in Nim?
02:49:43	leorize	basically it's that the function can dispatch on runtime to a version optimized for the current processor
02:50:17	leorize	(ie. you wrote sse code, but you only want that to be used when the code is running on an sse-capable processor)
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02:50:58	disruptek	ugh.
02:51:16	disruptek	that's a neat feature but irrelevant to my oss world.
02:52:21	silvernode	leorize: I tried a for loop but I don't want my formatting to be in that scope.
02:52:27	leorize	the biggest use case would be to let us easily write optimized code in our stdlib for example
02:52:43	leorize	silvernode: well I'm not sure what you're trying to do then
02:53:07	leorize	the olde index < seq.len while loop still exists for the more complicated cases
02:53:15	silvernode	leorize: basically have the echo lines outside of the scope of the for loop and still be able to access the interation
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02:54:03	silvernode	or just not use a for loop at all
02:54:28	silvernode	I can print out just index 1 which works fine but I want to print out the whole list without a loop
02:54:41	leorize	that's impossible
02:54:52	silvernode	just wanted to make sure it is impossible
02:55:04	disruptek	why is it impossible?
02:55:05	silvernode	figured as much
02:55:29	leorize	disruptek: how can you print a seq of arbitary size without looping through the elements?
02:55:36	silvernode	I thought there was a function that can print from the beginning to the end of the index
02:56:07	leorize	!eval echo @["like", "this?"]
02:56:10	NimBot	@["like", "this?"]
02:56:51	silvernode	I just don't want the symbols to be printed out with the contents of the seq
02:57:34	leorize	!eval for i in @["like", "this?"]: stdout.write i, " "
02:57:37	NimBot	like this?
02:57:59	silvernode	yeah
02:58:06	disruptek	how many ships do you know with arbitrary cargo size?
02:59:11	silvernode	echo(fmt"{player.name} has the following items in cargo: {ship1.cargo}) which will print all the symbols in the cargo which I just want the names of the items in cargo printed.
02:59:29	silvernode	disruptek: so far just one ship is created
02:59:40	leorize	silvernode: make your own `$`?
02:59:56	leorize	or whatever it is that's used for strformat
03:00:21	silvernode	Not sure I understand exactly
03:00:36	leorize	or just: ship1.cargo.join(", ")
03:00:41	leorize	assuming all strings
03:00:53	silvernode	yeah all strings in the cargo
03:00:55	silvernode	at least for now
03:01:05	leorize	!eval import strutils; echo @["item1", "item2"].join(", ")
03:01:09	NimBot	item1, item2
03:01:38	silvernode	I am eventually going to try figuring out how to have a proper inventory of items where I can have a stack of fuel or something.
03:03:06	silvernode	I figure a small text game will help me learn since I can't hold my attention span just reading the book and learn from that
03:05:37	shashlick	@leorize - https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/9419#issuecomment-585527016
03:05:39	disbot	➥ httpclient -d:ssl and db_postgres incompatible and cause SIGSEGV! (MacOSX) ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bwr
03:06:40	leorize	shashlick: do you have libssl.so in /usr/lib?
03:06:52	shashlick	yes libssl.dylib
03:07:10	shashlick	get this though - Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64
03:07:22	shashlick	wondering if those dylib are 32bit or something
03:07:37	leorize	maybe, do you have those in /usr/lib64?
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03:08:47	shashlick	there's no such dir on the mac
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03:09:23	leorize	then I'm not so sure, maybe try searching online?
03:09:28	leorize	I've never worked with a mac
03:09:46	leorize	my knowledge is pretty theoretical there
03:10:04	shashlick	ya people struggle with openssl on it
03:10:07	shashlick	cmake cannot find it
03:10:23	shashlick	anyway, i have a fix for choosenim so
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03:23:38	FromGitter	<gogolxdong> nlvm `Error: internal error: compiler proc not found: nlvmRaise`
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03:25:08	leorize	gogolxdong: you'd need to ping nlvm author for this, I believe they are on gitter
03:32:04	leorize	so I spent 2 days reading ryu paper + a lot of wikipedia pages
03:32:29	leorize	it results in only 13 lines of code
03:32:48	leorize	and I still haven't finish implementing the basic converter in that paper
03:33:16	leorize	I don't know what to expect when I actually implements ryu
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03:40:02	disruptek	leorize: i have a pretty good idea of what to expect.
03:40:45	leorize	you finally cracked the c-ryu? :P
03:42:22	disruptek	no, i got to the point where it failed and so did clyybber.
03:42:39	disruptek	you have a pretty good shot at failure.
03:43:00	disruptek	13 lines sounds good so far, though.
03:43:34	leorize	!repo alaviss/nim-ryu
03:43:35	disbot	https://github.com/alaviss/nim-ryu -- 9nim-ryu: 11An implementation of the ryū float-to-string conversion algorithm. This version is written from scratch based on the paper. 15 0⭐ 0🍴
03:44:01	leorize	it's basically empty atm
03:44:22	leorize	but at least you can see my progress of deciphering that paper :P
03:45:46	leorize	I'm also learning how float works as it goes too
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04:26:34	disruptek	leorize: i think we should support sign more naturally.
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04:28:23	leorize	disruptek: not sure how you'd do that though
04:30:31	disruptek	for example, why are -inf and inf peers of -0 and 0?
04:30:52	shashlick	disruptek: https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/issues/760
04:30:53	disbot	➥ Nimble ignores nim.cfg?
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04:45:34	leorize	disruptek: I still don't know what you mean :P
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04:49:58	disruptek	i'd rather have a set of {inf, negative} than negInf.
04:52:32	leorize	ah, I thought about that
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04:53:38	leorize	but then there's {inf, nan}
04:53:41	leorize	not a fan
04:53:51	leorize	or I can just use isNegative and remove all Neg variants
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04:55:06	disruptek	why would that be something you'd want to use?
04:55:33	disruptek	x.isNegative can be a template for `neg in x.flags`.
04:56:48	disruptek	the point isn't to compose a float as {inf, nan}; that can be denied if it's important. the point is to actually use the values naturally.
04:57:55	leorize	or I can just overload `< 0` :P
04:58:02	leorize	do I even have to actually :P
04:59:56	disruptek	there's obviously value in not throwing away the type, so i'd say yes.
05:00:28	disruptek	looks good so far, even if it's > 13 lines. 😉
05:01:56	disruptek	shashlick: i dunno anything about that nimble issue.
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05:35:38	shashlick	disruptek: it was a conversation between you and dom96
05:35:55	shashlick	Regardless, I could nimble install nimph with zero issues
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05:58:10	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> You can override any operator in nim right?
06:00:15	krux02	you can declare arbitrary oparator names
06:00:31	krux02	something like +-+ is possible
06:00:41	krux02	or ^-^
06:00:45	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> oh, that's awesome
06:01:10	krux02	just call your proc `+-+` and you are ready to go
06:02:26	krux02	I go back to bed
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06:02:49	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> buh bye
06:03:25	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Is anyone using nim in a professional setting? Since it's relatively new im interested in seeing it's current applications professionally
06:03:43	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Is anyone using nim in a professional setting? Since it's relatively newly released im interested in seeing it's current applications professionally
06:04:29	shashlick	Status is the default answer
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06:04:42	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> huh?
06:05:19	shashlick	https://status.im/
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10:01:11	FromGitter	<Varriount> Araq: "naming is one of the hardest things in programming"
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10:04:47	Araq	only if you care about quality. You can also simply use 'kill/man/cp' instead and turn it into a religious cult, it's been proven to work.
10:05:47	livcd	anyone managed to compile nimpcre on windows?
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10:56:22	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: Hey, I got to the point where it works
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10:57:48	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @Elegant Beef There is also a company from mainland china using it
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10:58:12	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I think they make something like a raspberry pi
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10:58:59	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @timotheecour In you PoEval PR use cmd?
10:59:15	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Depending on sh on windows is just stupid
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11:23:39	dadada	is nim's documentation available in the form of man pages?
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11:32:23	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I dont think so
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12:01:58	livcd	https://ybin.me/p/80cc4728a773b61e#ud8jwjn25NxbkwECcFo0nNoPxP+f5M3vyJmQAcmpp9M=
12:05:09	FromDiscord	<clyybber> livcd: looks like space in path bug
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12:06:21	livcd	dont know where the bin/sh is coming from...i am on windows
12:06:58	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Wth
12:07:37	FromDiscord	<clyybber> does make try to execute bin/sh ?
12:07:42	FromDiscord	<clyybber> or is it a nim bug
12:08:21	livcd	more like the Makefile for nimpcre and some env settings
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12:33:05	Zevv	Did something recently change regarding detection of unused declarations?
12:33:24	Zevv	I have a .XDeclaredButNotUsed. that used to work but now I still get warnings
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12:44:47	dadada	what was the reason for creating unsigned operators like +% and /%
12:45:58	dadada	and against using something like unsigned(a) + unsigned(b) or unsigned(a + b) or unsigned(a) / unsigned(b)
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12:52:26	stefantalpalaru	Why is this invalid in a config.nims? `switch("warning[CaseTransition]", "off")`
12:52:42	FromDiscord	<Rika> For when you have `lenientops` imported I'm guessing (dadada)
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12:52:59	stefantalpalaru	config.nims(1, 2) Error: invalid command line option: '--warning[CaseTransition]'
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12:56:37	FromGitter	<alehander92> hmm
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12:56:55	FromGitter	<alehander92> does it make sense to make `$` func-s
12:57:43	FromGitter	<alehander92> hm, not func-s but functions with `{.raises: [].}`
12:58:01	FromGitter	<alehander92> because like now you would expect an error from each &"" and $
12:58:08	FromGitter	<alehander92> which is just not really useful
12:59:02	FromGitter	<alehander92> and imho `$` should be written in a way that it doesnt raise (except i guess in "defect" cases like no memory left etc)
12:59:19	FromDiscord	<clyybber> dadada: Legacy
12:59:20	dadada	alehander92: I agree
12:59:20	Zevv	that makes sense
13:00:17	Zevv	but that should enforce *any* implementation of $ to adhere to that I guess, since now I cna still write one that does throw
13:00:36	FromGitter	<alehander92> yep, but on the other hand thats probably not a big deal, or is it
13:00:48	Zevv	'$' is nothing special from the languages perspective
13:00:57	FromGitter	<alehander92> like, if `raises` happens after overloads are resolved
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13:01:10	lqdev[m]	how can a ref object change its address? is it even possible?
13:01:12	FromGitter	<alehander92> it would only fail the check for such custom overloaded `$`-s
13:01:38	Zevv	lqdev[m]: why do you ask?
13:01:55	FromGitter	<alehander92> so if that happens like i would i imagine, it should require mostly annotation to default `$`-s
13:02:03	FromGitter	<alehander92> without compiler hardcoding then
13:02:07	Zevv	alehandr92: right
13:02:17	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: If you point it to another object
13:02:32	Zevv	clyybber: that's cheating :)
13:02:44	lqdev[m]	I'm figuring out a veeeery strange quirk with ref objects and sequences. for some reason, when I allocate an object in one proc, it's copied into a new object for some reason and does not preserve its old properties
13:02:45	FromDiscord	<clyybber> other than that there is no way tho
13:03:06	lqdev[m]	I might have to upload the code into a new repo
13:03:11	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: Yeah
13:03:17	lqdev[m]	because it's hard to explain
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13:03:44	Zevv	you know the drill. Minimize your problem to a small sharable example
13:03:54	Zevv	and while minmimizng, realize what you did wrong
13:03:59	Zevv	so you don't need to share after all
13:04:10	lqdev[m]	in this case, it's not so simple
13:04:27	Zevv	*there* is your problem :)
13:05:05	lqdev[m]	so I tried but this is how far I got https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bD5
13:05:07	livcd	arrrgh i cant compile nimpcre
13:05:10	lqdev[m]	and it does not reproduce the issue
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13:08:11	lqdev[m]	all right, so I have these Views: https://github.com/liquid600pgm/nadio/blob/master/src/gui.nim#L47 and later in the file you can see I'm assigning some keybinds to them
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13:08:37	lqdev[m]	however, later in the code when I actually need to reference these keybinds, the address of a given View changes and it does not have the assigned keybinds https://github.com/liquid600pgm/nadio/blob/master/src/gui/view.nim#L36
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13:08:57	lqdev[m]	and I can't pinpoint to where the issue lies
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13:10:30	lqdev[m]	the address is fine in the main module, but it's changed in method onEvent
13:11:08	lqdev[m]	I know that the event handler does not run on a separate thread or anything
13:11:22	lqdev[m]	unless GLFW is playing tricks on me
13:11:52	stefantalpalaru	I found a workaround, after reading commits pointing to https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/8739: `switch("warning", "CaseTransition:off")`
13:11:54	disbot	➥ [cmdline] [minor] `--hint.foo:on` as alias for `--hint[foo]:on`: avoids edge cases with `[` that needs to be escaped on cmd line + other places ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bD6
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13:17:01	dadada	https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#types-array-and-sequence-types ... why is @[ needed for assigning to y, shouldn't the compiler be able to figure out that y was declared as a sequence and hence deal with the details implicitly?
13:18:11	lqdev[m]	dadada: no, because `[]` is an array, and `@` turns a thing into a sequence. that's how types work.
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13:21:59	lqdev[m]	from my understanding, an operation like this https://github.com/liquid600pgm/rdgui/blob/master/src/rdgui/windows.nim#L38 should not deep copy the ref object, right?
13:23:55	dadada	lqdev[m]: I know what types are, but there's also implicit type conversion, it's a design decision
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13:25:12	lqdev[m]	dadada: Nim prefers explicit type conversion where two types are incompatible with each other
13:25:16	lqdev[m]	array and seq are not the same
13:26:37	dadada	lqdev[m]: I know they're not the same ... Int16 and Int64 are also not the same
13:26:55	FromDiscord	<clyybber> dadada: Yeah, you could make yourself a converter
13:27:17	FromDiscord	<clyybber> And then there would be no need for `@`
13:28:01	dadada	clyybber: that's good
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13:32:20	lqdev[m]	I'm such an idiot
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13:32:28	lqdev[m]	I just found the problem
13:32:50	lqdev[m]	the events were getting received by the statusBar instead of the songView
13:32:57	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lol
13:33:19	lqdev[m]	and I didn't override onEvent for bars
13:33:19	lqdev[m]	because Bars inherit from Views
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13:37:03	Zevv	and while minmimizng, realize what you did wrong
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13:37:04	Zevv	so you don't need to share after all
13:37:11	Zevv	story of my life
13:37:38	Zevv	congrats though, on finding the culprit! :)
13:40:04	dadada	https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#types-varargs
13:40:52	dadada	for s in items(a): # wouldn't for s in a: be nicer?
13:41:57	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Yeah
13:41:59	FromDiscord	<clyybber> And it is done
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13:42:13	FromDiscord	<clyybber> items is inserted automatically when you do `for s in a:`
13:44:38	dadada	great
13:44:52	livcd	shashlick: can anyone kind try to install nimpcre on windows ?: D
13:45:46	livcd	oops did not want to highlight him
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13:49:52	livcd	works fine on linux :F as expected
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13:54:44	livcd	ok so the /bin/sh problem was caused by Git in the path
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14:05:02	FromDiscord	<clyybber> hmm, but is the issue stemming from nim?
14:05:03	shashlick	Hey livcd
14:05:06	FromDiscord	<clyybber> if so please report it
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14:05:09	shashlick	Is it not working?
14:06:13	livcd	clybber: i dont think so (well dont know yet)
14:06:22	livcd	shashlick: i cant install nimpcre on Windows
14:06:49	livcd	sec
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14:10:54	livcd	https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dqgy2WVxmY/
14:11:31	livcd	i have the pcretest.exe in C:/Users/mscasny/nimcache/nimterop/nimpcre and also in the path
14:13:52	shashlick	Are you cross compiling?
14:16:31	livcd	nope
14:16:34	livcd	i am just on windows
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14:18:28	shashlick	CI is working fine
14:18:30	shashlick	https://travis-ci.org/genotrance/nimpcre/builds/649004790
14:18:44	shashlick	Do you have git in path?
14:18:52	shashlick	It should have a working bash
14:19:03	livcd	that was causing me some other issues
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14:19:33	livcd	https://ybin.me/p/80cc4728a773b61e#ud8jwjn25NxbkwECcFo0nNoPxP+f5M3vyJmQAcmpp9M=
14:19:41	livcd	so i removed it
14:20:20	shashlick	Yes that's a cmake issue
14:20:28	shashlick	Cannot have spaces in the path
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14:20:51	shashlick	Which is why I reinstall git in another location
14:21:27	shashlick	Just have bash in another location without spaces in the full path
14:21:33	livcd	ah ok roger that
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14:23:40	shashlick	https://gist.github.com/genotrance/fb53504a4fba88bc5201d3783df5c522
14:23:52	shashlick	See travis.sh
14:24:09	shashlick	I'll probably need to document this somewhere in nimpcre
14:26:21	disruptek	nah, keep it as an easter egg.
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14:26:42	disruptek	it'll be fun to figure it out again every few months.
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14:35:06	livcd	/usr/bin/bash: ./libtool: No such file or directory what the heck
14:48:02	FromGitter	<xflywind> Hi, Whether exists a *cryptographic* random generator in Nim Std like Python? ⏎ ⏎ ```$ python -c 'import os; print(os.urandom(16))' ⏎ b'_5#y2L"F4Q8z\n\xec]/'``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5e4561a2c900d747ab01be7c]
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14:54:55	FromDiscord	<clyybber> xflywind: Sure https://nimble.directory/search?query=random and https://nimble.directory/search?query=crypto
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14:55:33	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Also checkout https://github.com/cheatfate/nimcrypto
14:55:45	FromDiscord	<clyybber> It is used at status for their ethereum client
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14:56:53	FromGitter	<xflywind> @Clyybber Thanks.I will look at them later.
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14:57:13	FromDiscord	<clyybber> np
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15:01:41	FromDiscord	<Rika> @clyybber but technically they asked for something in the stdlib
15:01:51	FromDiscord	<clyybber> oh
15:02:03	FromDiscord	<clyybber> well, the answer is no then
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15:10:54	shashlick	livcd: still doesn't work?
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15:16:18	disruptek	no is a lovely answer.
15:26:28	disruptek	today we make something ar4q doesn't want.
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15:32:13	FromGitter	<Varriount> clubber: I used nimcrypto in my AWS signing code. It's nice
15:33:17	FromDiscord	<mratsim> clubber xD
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15:57:20	disruptek	~motd
15:57:21	disbot	motd: 11Who wants to try JSON parsing modes via set[JMode] for a couple years? -- disruptek
15:57:52	disruptek	~motd is Opinions on the utility of a meowhash port? https://mollyrocket.com/meowhash
15:57:52	disbot	motd: 11Opinions on the utility of a meowhash port? https://mollyrocket.com/meowhash
15:59:32	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Varriount: Ah, cool
15:59:55	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I'll club you tho if you call me that again :p
16:00:11	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: I say do it!
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16:01:57	disruptek	i started to decided it would be too platform-centric. now i'm not so sure.
16:02:43	disruptek	s/to /to, but /
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16:07:54	disruptek	ie. i think it's only worth it if we can use it for tables.
16:08:09	disruptek	not sure it won't be a liability for js.
16:10:58	FromGitter	<Varriount> clyybber: I blame autocorrect and the fact that you have 2 y's in your nickname
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16:24:24	Zevv	Why do I still get a "declared but not used" warning here? https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bDF
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16:42:42	Araq	because you should use .used
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16:43:56	Zevv	well, they are *not* used, technically
16:44:05	disruptek	a random finally: block parses okay among other statements input to a macro, but a random else: does not.
16:44:10	disruptek	is this a feature?
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16:44:36	Zevv	yeah
16:45:09	disruptek	else is part of if but finally is not part of try?
16:45:35	disruptek	finally, or except not. there is no try?
16:46:28	Zevv	I say it's a bug, it should not parse indeed
16:47:00	Zevv	grammar says nooo
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16:58:42	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: HHHAHAHAHAHHAAA
16:58:46	FromDiscord	<clyybber> d2s finished
16:58:48	FromDiscord	<clyybber> all tests pass
16:58:51	FromDiscord	<clyybber> first try
16:59:06	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Varriount: Fair enough 😄
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17:01:21	disruptek	afaict, there's no way to add for/else or while/else without modifying the compiler. 😢
17:01:35	disruptek	i mean, to add them "properly."
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17:01:46	disruptek	you win this time, araqlogic.
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17:02:13	disruptek	clyybber: you spent too much time on that.
17:02:23	disruptek	merge krux's pr please.
17:03:10	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: eh, it was pretty easy
17:03:24	FromDiscord	<clyybber> after I fixed the two dumb precedence errors
17:03:48	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: Tell Araq, hes the merger.
17:04:01	disruptek	> I ... cannot ... /dies/
17:04:18	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lol
17:05:29	disruptek	who cares about a const in a test?
17:05:47	FromDiscord	<clyybber> thats the blocker?
17:06:01	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I could fix it real quick
17:06:06	disruptek	i dunno. i suffered a parse error on line 1 of ar4q's comment.
17:06:28	FromDiscord	<clyybber> semantic error here
17:06:53	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Araq show us the *meaning*
17:07:42	FromDiscord	<clyybber> (he's a busy god)
17:07:59	FromGitter	<Varriount> I*could* merge it in
17:08:26	disruptek	no one was ever fired for fixing arithmetic errors.
17:08:31	FromGitter	<Varriount> But compiler code is usually under the this
17:08:32	disruptek	oh wait
17:08:48	FromGitter	<Varriount> under the aegis of Araq
17:09:01	disruptek	maybe araq died while reading the commit.
17:09:43	disruptek	"the grail is in the tower of ... aaahrhrhrgggguhrggg"
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17:38:13	FromDiscord	<treeform> lqdev, are you still having issue with Cairo? Your error almost sounds like you have another cairo.nim somewhere on your path?
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17:39:35	FromDiscord	<treeform> Oh looks like you figured it out, some with with old version of cairo. Anyways if you have issues feel free to ping.
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17:46:23	shashlick	@treeform can you please review the updates in https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/9419
17:46:25	disbot	➥ httpclient -d:ssl and db_postgres incompatible and cause SIGSEGV! (MacOSX) ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bwr
17:50:51	Araq	I died because there is yet another bug in int128
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17:57:11	Zevv	you type well for a dead man
17:58:28	Zevv	clyybber: where your ryu code at?
18:06:23	disruptek	what's the other bug?
18:07:32	disruptek	and is there a good reason not to merge this fix?
18:09:52	FromDiscord	<treeform> shashlick, yeah I saw the updates. I don't have much to add.
18:10:46	FromDiscord	<treeform> I added a thing `-d:sslVersion=x.x.x` I though I closed the issue as well...
18:11:10	FromDiscord	<treeform> openSSL just sucks
18:11:32	FromGitter	<Varriount> Araq: Bikeshedding over naming aside, I really like your proposal for the chaining/outplace macros
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18:12:20	FromGitter	<Varriount> As in, I can't remember when I was this interested in a new feature/addition
18:25:03	Araq	woa
18:25:14	livcd	shashlick: need to find the libtool
18:26:19	shashlick	do you have cmake
18:26:29	shashlick	if not you will end up having to install all autoconf tools on windows
18:26:32	shashlick	nimble install cmake
18:28:58	FromDiscord	<treeform> shashlick: I have added my thoughts: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/9419#issuecomment-585902219
18:29:00	disbot	➥ httpclient -d:ssl and db_postgres incompatible and cause SIGSEGV! (MacOSX) ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bwr
18:30:52	shashlick	thanks treeform
18:41:05	disruptek	is cpp --gc:arc expected to worth without regard to exceptions?
18:44:27	disruptek	s/worth/work/
18:44:41	Zevv	I believe it is
18:44:50	Zevv	you have problems I assume?
18:45:29	disruptek	yeah, gittyup ci failing on cpp.
18:45:49	Zevv	Ar4q has been doing work on that lately
18:46:12	disruptek	i know; i saw a couple prs in the pipeline and it's a little confusing on what to expect.
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19:02:57	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Zevv: Its up
19:03:09	FromDiscord	<clyybber> https://github.com/Clyybber/nimryu
19:03:32	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I gotta commit the nim translation of the tests
19:03:40	Zevv	Yeah I thought you and disruptek were working in the same repo
19:03:45	Zevv	so i was looking at the wrong one
19:04:06	Zevv	I was just looking through your code
19:04:32	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I only translated stuff necessary for d2s and f2
19:04:33	FromDiscord	<clyybber> s
19:04:39	FromDiscord	<clyybber> the other stuff is still C
19:04:52	FromDiscord	<clyybber> also, its very raw
19:04:59	FromDiscord	<clyybber> as in not nimified yet at all
19:05:27	FromDiscord	<clyybber> but at least it works :p
19:05:47	Zevv	It seems to be almost twice as fast as printf, is that right?
19:05:56	Zevv	on linux/glibc
19:05:58	FromDiscord	<clyybber> think so yeah
19:06:04	FromDiscord	<clyybber> almost 4 times I think
19:06:10	Zevv	sweet
19:06:22	FromDiscord	<clyybber> not sure how my port fares in that regard tho
19:06:31	FromDiscord	<clyybber> probably a bit slower, since I use a strip
19:06:41	FromDiscord	<clyybber> but without it it should be just as fast
19:07:06	livcd	shashlick: still having an issue with libtool
19:07:39	shashlick	Use cmake
19:07:44	shashlick	Did you see that message?
19:10:07	livcd	hmm nope
19:12:16	shashlick	nimble install cmake
19:12:27	livcd	ok let me try
19:13:44	disruptek	clyybber: if you want a fun ast bug just ask.
19:14:29	livcd	shashlick: the cmake did run but when i want to compile a program that imports nimpcre it is trying to run make
19:15:21	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: Yes please
19:15:24	FromDiscord	<clyybber> gimme
19:19:29	disruptek	are you sure?
19:19:35	disruptek	you might not like it once you get it.
19:20:17	Araq	disruptek: it doesn't work (nim cpp --gc:arc exceptions)
19:20:37	Araq	I might merge my improvements though and deal with the failing test later
19:21:10	shashlick	livcd: it will build pcre the first time
19:21:42	disruptek	Araq: be that as it may, i don't have any exceptions in my codebase and i still get a codegen failure in ci.
19:22:15	livcd	shashlick: i cant proceed
19:22:29	livcd	btw i get it...i've got the libtool but it's a sh script
19:23:03	livcd	the makefile calls it like this /usr/bin/bash: ./libtool: No such file or directory which is wrong
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19:24:40	FromGitter	<Nickiel12> Hi, is there a way to read and write mp3 file metadata (album, artist, etc) I have been looking for 30 mins through the os module and google, and can't find anything
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19:25:03	shashlick	Unless you install msys and the whole shebang, no idea on that
19:25:09	disruptek	clyybber: https://github.com/disruptek/criterion.nim/issues/1
19:25:10	disbot	➥ it does not bench fib5 from tfib example
19:25:14	shashlick	Plus I've not ever tested that
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19:25:30	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> @clyybber you mispelled west taiwan 😛
19:25:41	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lol
19:25:41	disruptek	a pragma with no arguments is completely missing from the macro input. give it an arg like `pragmaMacro: []` and it works.
19:27:05	livcd	shashlick: wait i am symlinking in nimpcre libtool
19:27:24	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: You mean it doesn't pop up in customPragmas?
19:27:37	FromDiscord	<clyybber> or do you mean it doesn't get called?
19:27:48	disruptek	the procdef ast is completely absent from the ast passed to the macro.
19:28:06	disruptek	elided. gone. vanished. mia.
19:28:16	disruptek	awol; you feel me?
19:28:21	FromGitter	<Nickiel12> shashlick, were you talking to me when you mentioned mysys?
19:28:51	disruptek	i think maybe it's replaced with Empty. 😁
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19:29:48	shashlick	Sorry Nickiel12, was talking to livcd
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19:29:58	FromGitter	<Nickiel12> ok, it confused me
19:30:25	shashlick	livcd: why is it still using libtool if you have cmake
19:30:42	livcd	no idea..you detect that automatically?
19:32:13	livcd	I try with -f
19:32:17	shashlick	Yes, delete the nimpcre cache and try again ya
19:32:55	livcd	that seems to work ..at least for picking the cmake
19:34:46	disruptek	clyybber: fun, right?
19:36:19	livcd	excuse my colorful language
19:36:25	livcd	but f...ing finally
19:37:08	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: Umm
19:37:10	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lol?
19:37:38	FromDiscord	<clyybber> livcd: -f...ing -finally
19:38:24	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Zevv: Lol, I fucked up the license
19:38:31	FromDiscord	<clyybber> replaced the `//` with `#`
19:38:33	FromDiscord	<clyybber> haha
19:38:48	livcd	clybber: i was not able to make the nimpcre compile on windows :F
19:39:03	livcd	shashlick: thanks a lot!
19:39:05	FromDiscord	<clyybber> : ?
19:39:14	FromDiscord	<clyybber> livcd: That is sad
19:39:19	FromDiscord	<clyybber> But it ships with nim?
19:39:30	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I though
19:39:31	FromDiscord	<clyybber> t
19:39:33	livcd	no
19:40:37	shashlick	so it worked for you finally?
19:40:45	shashlick	I'm adding some text to the nimpcre site
19:42:04	livcd	yes it worked with cmake
19:42:24	livcd	and when i used -f it picked up cmake finally
19:45:38	FromDiscord	<clyybber> so it worked?
19:45:47	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I thought you werent able to compile it?
19:46:06	FromDiscord	<clyybber> or did you build it in a unix environment?
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19:52:44	livcd	I was not able to compile it first with just make
19:52:53	livcd	then it finally worked with cmake
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19:54:50	FromDiscord	<clyybber> ah
19:54:59	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Zevv: Tests are up now
19:55:23	Araq	scope based destruction is a beast :-(
19:57:35	Araq	at least I made your 'handleNested' much simpler
19:58:52	dadada	are there hooks to inject custom C code into the generated C?
19:59:04	disruptek	sure.
19:59:04	Yardanico	emit pragma?
19:59:26	Yardanico	also you can do some really strange magic with importcpp (that's for C++ though)
19:59:41	dadada	okay
19:59:48	Yardanico	https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#implementation-specific-pragmas-emit-pragma
20:00:07	dadada	well I just learned about https://github.com/google/tcmalloc
20:00:18	dadada	which is google's highly optimized malloc/new implementation
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20:00:47	dadada	and then I wondered how you would integrate this with a Nim application, hence my question
20:01:12	dadada	I've no need for tcmalloc (yet) though :D
20:01:15	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Araq: Nice!
20:01:21	shashlick	livcd thanks for persisting, will update the site
20:01:25	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Araq: Do you have it on a public branch?
20:01:45	FromDiscord	<clyybber> dadada: Very easy
20:01:53	FromDiscord	<clyybber> compile with --os:any
20:02:50	FromDiscord	<clyybber> dadada: https://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/nimc#nim-for-embedded-systems
20:03:01	FromDiscord	<clyybber> dadada: Btw, you ought to make something in nim
20:03:16	FromDiscord	<clyybber> : )
20:03:28	dadada	clyybber: I most definitely will
20:03:41	FromDiscord	<clyybber> nice!
20:03:48	dadada	I've multiple project ideas, but first I need to learn as much as possible
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20:04:32	dadada	also I'm waiting for C++ library integration to get a little more comfortable
20:04:58	dadada	I want to port a Qt application over to nim
20:05:24	Yardanico	well AFAIK Qt does some really weird stuff when compiling itself, etc, so pure Qt bindings would probably be quite hard to do
20:05:40	Yardanico	like they have their use a meta compiler and stuff like that
20:05:42	dadada	Yardanico: while you're right a number of languages have overcome this hurdle
20:05:55	dadada	Yardanico:
20:06:00	dadada	https://wiki.qt.io/Language_Bindings
20:06:59	livcd	shashlick: <3 thanks for making it
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20:07:01	dadada	among them Rust, Go, Java, Python and D
20:07:06	Yardanico	well yeah, although if you look at rust link, that org also has a "ritual" repo in it, so they had to create a whole lib to wrap Qt :P
20:07:33	Yardanico	also is QML not enough for you? :(
20:07:40	dadada	most definitely NOT
20:08:30	dadada	
20:08:39	Yardanico	what are these empty messages? :D
20:08:43	livcd	I am right now looking on github for applications written in Go+QT
20:09:06	disruptek	wut
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20:12:03	FromDiscord	<Rika> i thought you were showcasing a nim app
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20:12:26	dadada	Yardanico: the regular non-QML Qt is what I'm used to using, and last time I checked in on QML there was all sorts of functionality missing that I needed, and I want to port a Qt application, not a QML application
20:21:56	livcd	Rika: sorry :X
20:34:53	shashlick	dadada: as much as I agree, qt will be a full time job
20:45:34	FromDiscord	<demotomohiro> Qt is large library and includes qstring or qvector.
20:46:02	FromDiscord	<demotomohiro> It looks like Qt is trying to replace standard C++ library.
20:46:09	dom96	All GUIs suck in one way or another. Better focus on implementing something like Electron IMO
20:46:44	FromDiscord	<clyybber> dom96: hahaha what?
20:47:29	FromDiscord	<clyybber> electron sucks the most
20:47:35	Yardanico	yes i'd have to agree on electron
20:47:39	dom96	Seriously. If you want a native GUI then just use the native toolkits
20:47:47	dom96	Qt/Gtk both suck
20:48:15	dadada	demotomohiro: when Qt started the C++ standard library had a lot to be desired, they made programming in C++ a lot easier, recently sdtc++ got somewhat better, and you can use both the standard c++ types and the Qt types with their libraries
20:48:34	dadada	s/had a lot/had a lot left
20:48:39	Yardanico	what about nim types? :P
20:48:57	lqdev[m]	how does `slurp` work? does it create a .h file with an array containing a file's bytes, insert the file into an executable's .data section, or what?
20:49:09	FromDiscord	<clyybber> no
20:49:19	FromDiscord	<clyybber> it simply makes a constant
20:49:31	FromDiscord	<clyybber> it will be a literaly in the generated C code
20:49:40	FromDiscord	<clyybber> so basically yeah. But not in a seperate .h file
20:49:55	lqdev[m]	so it's not really viable for large files, right?
20:50:26	lqdev[m]	because gcc shits your memory when it deals with really big arrays
20:50:41	dadada	dom96: Qt didn't suck in my experience, many big companies using Qt disagree with you
20:50:50	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: I think its fine
20:50:58	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I slurp images
20:51:06	FromDiscord	<clyybber> And shaders
20:51:10	FromDiscord	<clyybber> like binary
20:51:10	FromDiscord	<clyybber> SPIR-V
20:51:46	dadada	I wouldn't be against having something like electron for nim either, having options is good
20:51:53	lqdev[m]	yeah, but they don't weigh 500 MB ;P
20:52:03	Yardanico	there's https://github.com/jangko/nimCEF :P
20:52:17	Yardanico	also fidget wip
20:52:18	lqdev[m]	my friend recently tried to embed a 500 MB file using this method into an executable, and it literally filled his memory within seconds
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20:53:45	shashlick	lqdev - you trying something like nimdeps?
20:53:48	shashlick	!repo nimdeps
20:53:49	disbot	https://github.com/genotrance/nimdeps -- 9nimdeps: 11Nim library to bundle dependency files into executable 15 14⭐ 2🍴
20:55:38	lqdev[m]	nimdeps isn't bad, but it still has to unpack these files somewhere and load them into memory. that effectively loads the dependencies twice, once for the actual executable, and then another time when they're unpacked into a temp dir
20:56:32	shashlick	agreed, only thing is nimdeps only extracts once, after that it doesn't have to every time
20:56:43	shashlick	but it's still not a sensible way to distribute files
20:56:52	FromDiscord	<clyybber> dadada: Theres https://github.com/treeform/fidget which is better than electron
20:57:25	FromDiscord	<clyybber> and is not a frickin embedded web browser
20:57:43	dom96	dadada, sure, but the point is in relation to Nim
20:57:50	dom96	Wrapping Qt for Nim would be a PITA
20:58:08	dom96	you're much better spending that effort implementing a nice Electron-like library
20:58:30	lqdev[m]	I'm also working on https://github.com/liquid600pgm/rdgui, but it's nowhere near complete and it's better suited for games
20:58:55	lqdev[m]	i.e. it doesn't have auto-layout tools (yet)
20:59:18	lqdev[m]	I might need to implement them because I'm working on an app right now
20:59:49	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: I wanted to build a daw with keyboard focussed interface too
20:59:57	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Nice that you do it tho
21:00:17	FromDiscord	<clyybber> because I've recently gone very attracted to touchscreens
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21:01:42	dadada	dom96: we need a automagical way to port regular C++ libraries first, and then build on that for Qt later
21:01:52	krux02_	alehander92: generally `$` should not raise
21:01:53	dadada	s/port/bind to
21:02:02	krux02_	sorry out of context post again
21:02:22	lqdev[m]	@clyybber not sure how I'm going to implement the node-based instruments I'm going for, but yeah I'll figure it out somehow
21:02:33	krux02_	sometimes when I enter the chat I am totally in a weird position and post somthing that was relevant half a day ago
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21:03:34	Yardanico	well yeah, that's a bad thing about real-time chats :P
21:04:25	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> think it's the bad thing about 3 different chat clients communicating together, no universal way to say "look here for context"
21:05:10	dom96	krux02: sounds like your IRC client is bad at presenting info :)
21:06:17	superbia	I'm trying to make a "typeracer" game, and I'm wondering how does one generally detect what are the heights and widths of each letter in font, because I'd like to dynamically highlight every character you pressed correctly (and wrongly)
21:06:58	Yardanico	maybe https://github.com/treeform/typography can help?
21:08:07	superbia	Yardanico: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/treeform/typography/master/tests/layoutNoText.png exactly this am I looking to explain !
21:09:00	Yardanico	well you can check the docs - https://treeform.github.io/typography/index.html every Glyph has quite a few parameters
21:09:09	Yardanico	although you'd have to use a .svg font (or convert an existing font to .svg)
21:09:46	lqdev[m]	typography supports ttf tho
21:09:48	Yardanico	oh
21:09:53	lqdev[m]	superbia: you'd probably want getGlyphSize here
21:10:10	dom96	Check out https://github.com/treeform/typography/pull/9. Some discussion about this exact thing :)
21:10:11	disbot	➥ Implements ability to specify a color for getGlyphImage.
21:10:14	superbia	Now I know the terminology
21:10:26	superbia	so I got my anwsers, I can google out the details !
21:10:30	superbia	thanks y'all !!!!!
21:11:21	lqdev[m]	if you're using a library that supports tinting textures with a color, it should be relatively easy to implement even without knowing the glyph's bounds
21:11:50	lqdev[m]	eg. in rapid you'd just set `ctx.color = rgb(255, 255, 0)` before drawing a rectangle but I don't know what you're using
21:13:14	lqdev[m]	man, it would be so cool to let the user alter text rendering character by character in rapid.
21:13:24	lqdev[m]	guess I know what I'm gonna implement next.
21:15:34	superbia	well.. i guess i didn't really know how fonts work
21:17:53	disruptek	if i want to render some text on a surface in wayland... what's an easy way to do that? something an idiot with one hand could code?
21:18:09	disruptek	no, think a 7 year old with one hand.
21:18:22	lqdev[m]	superbia: every font family specifies a set of fonts. every font specifies a set of glyphs. a single glyph is a character like `a`, `.`, or `π`
21:19:01	superbia	yup, I wanted to get it's bounding box
21:19:03	lqdev[m]	disruptek: open a transparent window and render the text there? don't really know what do you wanna do
21:19:11	disruptek	yeah, that works.
21:19:40	disruptek	what do i use?
21:21:40	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: You mean something like modular synthesis?
21:21:59	lqdev[m]	disruptek: ik shameless self plug, but rapid supports windows with alpha
21:22:08	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: Do you know VCVRack?
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21:22:22	disruptek	okay, i'll try it; thanks.
21:22:28	lqdev[m]	@clyybber: kind of, basically a hybrid between Reason's rack and Blender/DaVinci Resolve's node editor
21:22:53	lqdev[m]	(referring to my idea here, I don't know VCVRack)
21:23:01	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: Ha, I started implementing something like that too
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21:23:33	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: Something like this: https://warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/#vid
21:24:16	lqdev[m]	yeah, something akin to that
21:24:18	dom96	Love it when libraries `quit` my app https://github.com/CORDEA/oauth/pull/18
21:24:19	disbot	➥ Fixes this package quitting my program when SSL not available.
21:26:17	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: You gotta try VCVRack. Its really amazing
21:26:38	disruptek	yeah, it's pretty cool.
21:26:41	lqdev[m]	@clyybber I'm looking at VCVRack right now, looks really interesting. I wonder how do they generate these simulated analog waveforms
21:26:42	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Reason for making my own is that I would love to press a key or something and then look "into the module"
21:26:54	FromDiscord	<clyybber> like circuit bending
21:27:24	kungtotte	dom96: I think you're being overly picky here. I think it's a cool feature, libraries should also be liberally sprinkled with echo statements with terminal escape sequences in them, because why not?
21:27:37	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: Whats also kinda cool about VCVRack is that many of these modules get made as hardware when they are successfull
21:27:45	lqdev[m]	dang it, it needs JACK :(
21:27:50	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Nope
21:27:53	FromDiscord	<clyybber> It doesn't
21:27:55	lqdev[m]	I only have PulseAudio
21:28:05	FromDiscord	<clyybber> It works with pulseaudio
21:28:06	FromDiscord	<clyybber> or alsa
21:28:09	FromDiscord	<clyybber> or anything
21:28:19	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I think it uses RTaudio behind the scenes or something like that
21:28:29	lqdev[m]	how does it not, it gives me a "jack server is not running" error
21:28:38	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: Huh
21:28:51	dom96	kungtotte, makes me wonder whether I can trust this dependency at all :(
21:28:59	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: Thats not an error tho
21:29:02	FromDiscord	<clyybber> it just tells you that
21:29:05	FromDiscord	<clyybber> but it should run fine
21:29:10	FromDiscord	<clyybber> does it not?
21:29:31	lqdev[m]	aw god the stuttering
21:29:39	lqdev[m]	just found the alsa thing on the rack
21:29:49	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: argh
21:29:52	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I had that stuttering too
21:29:56	FromDiscord	<clyybber> after switching to void
21:29:59	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Do like all the linux users in the nim chat 😄
21:30:00	FromDiscord	<clyybber> somehow not on arch
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21:30:04	FromDiscord	<clyybber> and I fixed it somehow
21:30:28	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: Try setting your sample rate
21:30:31	FromDiscord	<clyybber> in Engine
21:30:47	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Or maybe the framerate is set really low
21:30:49	FromDiscord	<clyybber> in View
21:32:24	lqdev[m]	@clyybber no, my sample rate is 48kHz and the buffer size seems to affect the stuttering frequency
21:32:28	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: I discovered it through this dude: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuWKHSHTHMV_nVSeNH4gYAg/videos
21:32:33	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: Ah yeah
21:32:52	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Make it bigger
21:32:52	FromGitter	<timotheecour> hi @Clyybber I’m here (i PM’d you)
21:32:57	FromDiscord	<clyybber> is probably what you want
21:33:04	FromDiscord	<clyybber> timotheecour: Hi!
21:33:16	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I didn't check gitter so I didn't read your PM
21:33:17	dom96	https://i.imgur.com/Zg9QmeN.png
21:33:30	dom96	It lives, sorta :)
21:35:12	lqdev[m]	@clyybber it only makes the stuttering less frequent
21:35:28	lqdev[m]	it constantly reports underruns in the terminal
21:35:35	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: Weird.
21:35:47	FromDiscord	<clyybber> What audio driver do you have selected?
21:35:49	dom96	5.1MB WASM file :D
21:35:59	lqdev[m]	ALSA
21:36:04	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Hmm
21:36:50	dom96	lqdev[m], clyybber: is this discussion more appropriate for #nim-offtopic? :)
21:37:28	FromDiscord	<clyybber> the offtopic bridge died one-side only : (
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21:38:20	lqdev[m]	@Yardanico you're the discord↔irc bridge maintainer, right? could you look into this?
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21:39:56	FromGitter	<Clyybber> I think he did, but it was tricky
21:42:17	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Quick insult everyone!
21:42:30	FromDiscord	<clyybber> ?
21:42:45	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> `the offtopic bridge died one-side only : (`
21:42:48	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: Not sure if you are on offtopic but when you press F3 it shows the CPU usage per module
21:42:58	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @Elegant Beef fuck everyone
21:43:01	FromDiscord	<clyybber> there you go
21:43:04	FromDiscord	<clyybber> :p
21:43:30	lqdev[m]	@clyybber the CPU usage is p low except on the output module
21:43:33	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I'd like to report an admin
21:44:05	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @Elegant Beef Please file a report and send it to an admin.
21:44:33	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> @clyybber, @clyybber said and i quote "Fuck everyone"
21:44:43	FromDiscord	<clyybber> What a dumbass..
21:44:49	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I think this deserves a ban
21:45:22	FromDiscord	<[banned]> this is so sad
21:45:48	FromDiscord	<exelotl> /ban clyybber
21:45:57	FromDiscord	<[banned]> 😦
21:46:03	FromDiscord	<exelotl> wow it worked
21:47:24	FromGitter	<iffy> How soon after calling AsyncSocket.close() is the socket closed? I'm running into "Address already in use" errors when trying to listen on a port I just closed. I'm using `socket.setSockOpt(OptReuseAddr, true)`
21:49:15	dom96	iffy: that's up to the OS, but if you've set OptReuseAddr then it should be immediate IIRC
21:49:29	dom96	maybe you have a socket that didn't have that set still alive
21:49:31	FromGitter	<iffy> that's what I would have guessed
21:49:49	FromGitter	<iffy> I only make sockets with OptReuseAddr (in this code)
21:50:30	FromGitter	<iffy> I'll do more testing to see if I can repro in a simpler setup -- thank you for validating my assumptions
21:50:32	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: Try if it still happens when nothing else is running
21:51:04	FromDiscord	<clyybber> unfortunately I really can't remember how I fixed it 😦
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22:00:33	FromGitter	<Varriount> Hm, anyone know how expensive calling a (non-closure) function via global is, compared to a regular function call?
22:01:26	disruptek	via global?
22:01:26	lqdev[m]	@clyybber I set the buffer size to 64, and then something clicked into place and it magically started working
22:01:47	lqdev[m]	quite cool to play around with, but not quite the thing I want
22:02:10	lqdev[m]	maybe it's because I'm not into audio, or something
22:03:25	FromGitter	<Varriount> disruptek: Yeah
22:03:34	disruptek	what does that mean?
22:03:55	FromGitter	<Varriount> A global variable?
22:04:24	disruptek	oh, you mean passing a global to a function?
22:04:41	lqdev[m]	disruptek: calling a function stored in a variable
22:04:55	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: You want more modular right?
22:05:01	FromDiscord	<clyybber> At least thats what I want
22:05:02	disruptek	deref'ing a pointer is not an expensing operation.
22:05:06	disruptek	expensive, either.
22:05:06	FromGitter	<Varriount> No,
22:05:08	FromGitter	<Varriount> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bF2
22:05:27	disruptek	why would that be slow?
22:05:28	lqdev[m]	@clyybber: you'll see what I want once I get nadio to a usable state :)
22:05:44	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lqdev[m]: I'll check it out then : )
22:05:56	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Maybe by the time I also got something half working ..
22:06:01	FromDiscord	<clyybber> unlikely
22:06:42	disruptek	!repo disruptek/criterion
22:06:43	disbot	no results 😢
22:06:49	disruptek	😁
22:07:15	FromDiscord	<clyybber> heh
22:07:22	FromDiscord	<clyybber> because its a fork prolly
22:07:31	disruptek	of course.
22:08:21	disruptek	ah, that reminds me. i need to switch to tr33form's jwt.
22:08:27	disruptek	sorry, yuri.
22:10:33	dadada	too bad the partiql code under the apache license
22:10:53	dom96	disruptek: how come?
22:11:02	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: What you do, kills us both
22:11:09	disruptek	nope.
22:11:23	dadada	I've considered porting the kotlin code to nim, but then it won't be possible to fit with the liberally licensed MIT code of the nim world
22:11:28	disruptek	because yuri's now pulling in bearssl and i don't really want that weight in gcplat.
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22:12:05	disruptek	the source alone is 73mb and the repo is 185mb.
22:12:17	disruptek	bearssl is like 200mb, i'm told.
22:12:24	deepend	is there a way to use the math exponent operator ^ with a negative integer exponent?
22:12:38	disruptek	great question.
22:12:48	deepend	it works fine if i cast ints to float and use math.pow
22:12:51	deepend	just tedious
22:12:56	disruptek	we need ^- 😁
22:13:07	disruptek	you should pr it.
22:13:28	deepend	ok let me take a look at the math source
22:13:54	lqdev[m]	damn, ever since I tried doing something in Rust I find myself using Options more
22:13:56	disruptek	awesome, let us know if any questions.
22:14:14	disruptek	options are great and results are better. i'm about to rename my results lib.
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22:14:34	dom96	disruptek, true, it does build a lot of .c files from bearssl
22:14:43	disruptek	badaskes is the same as the status results but it relaxes some requirements.
22:15:11	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: What do you define as the difference between results and options?
22:15:17	FromDiscord	<clyybber> that results store an error code?
22:15:43	disruptek	results is two values and options is one.
22:16:04	FromDiscord	<clyybber> where one value is the error?
22:16:13	FromDiscord	<clyybber> or "result" code
22:16:15	disruptek	two types, i should say.
22:16:34	disruptek	you get one type on success, another on failure.
22:16:35	FromDiscord	<clyybber> techincally
22:16:40	FromDiscord	<clyybber> ahhh
22:16:50	lqdev[m]	too bad Nim's stdlib doesn't have results
22:16:52	FromDiscord	<clyybber> you mean like at runtime?
22:16:54	disruptek	but it's a union, of course. so, only one at a time.
22:17:12	FromDiscord	<clyybber> so how do you know what it is?
22:17:15	FromDiscord	<clyybber> case object?
22:17:26	disruptek	i guess you could technically cheat if you wanted to be crazy.
22:17:36	disruptek	that's the kinda shit that i love you can do in nim.
22:17:47	disruptek	yes, case object.
22:18:31	FromDiscord	<clyybber> nice
22:18:47	disruptek	see gittyup for how i use them.
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22:19:49	deepend	howcome Natural isn't covered in the language manual?
22:20:28	lqdev[m]	deepend: because Natural is an stdlib type
22:20:46	lqdev[m]	we shouldn't pollute the language manual with things from the standard library
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22:20:59	deepend	hmmmm
22:21:12	lqdev[m]	and range types are covered here: https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#types-subrange-types
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22:22:35	deepend	so you don't consider system to be part of the language?
22:22:51	disruptek	~motd is Join a non-Nim project with the goal of exposing that community to Nim. Do it now!
22:22:52	disbot	motd: 11Join a non-Nim project with the goal of exposing that community to Nim. Do it now!
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22:31:04	lqdev[m]	deepend: maybe I phrased that wrong, I meant core language
22:31:16	lqdev[m]	ie. syntax, semantics
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22:32:13	deepend	it's just a bit confusing
22:32:26	disruptek	you know what i'm realizing?
22:32:28	deepend	and makes grepping for answers more difficult as a noob
22:32:52	disruptek	we need to birth these projects and cut the fucking cord.
22:33:11	disruptek	you get the thing to 1.0, or whatever that is, and you just walk away.
22:33:24	disruptek	if others pick it up, it lives. else, it's only weighing you down.
22:33:43	disruptek	no point in supporting tons of software that only one person uses.
22:34:53	disruptek	i really think that would improve the rate of innovation.
22:35:14	disruptek	what we want is rapid prototyping and shedding of bad patterns.
22:35:57	disruptek	we should be iterating like crazy on this stuff.
22:40:18	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> @clyybber got any vulkan tutorials? 😄
22:40:38	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @Elegant Beef made by me?
22:40:39	FromDiscord	<clyybber> nah
22:40:45	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> nah i just mean in general
22:40:58	FromDiscord	<clyybber> SashaWillems
22:41:00	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> im looking at one right now that is 100% written english with 0 code
22:41:10	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lol
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22:41:26	FromDiscord	<clyybber> theres also vulkan-tutorial.com
22:41:31	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I think its called that
22:41:36	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> That's the one i was talking about
22:41:41	FromDiscord	<clyybber> ah, it has code
22:41:50	FromDiscord	<clyybber> its at the bottom
22:42:25	FromDiscord	<clyybber> what is kinda hard to grok with vulkan is how the components really related
22:42:29	FromDiscord	<clyybber> *relate
22:42:42	FromDiscord	<clyybber> so I suggest googling vulkan API diagram
22:42:44	FromDiscord	<clyybber> or something like that
22:42:46	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> oh it's on another page 😄
22:42:58	FromDiscord	<clyybber> and hanging it on your wall while looking at tutorials
22:43:41	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Well i mean i know a majority of the shader stuff already
22:43:55	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Well probably all of the principle of shaders
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22:47:33	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> The big issue is nim to C++ calls i think
22:47:37	FromDiscord	<clyybber> yeah, I'm not really talking about shaders
22:47:40	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> i know
22:47:43	FromDiscord	<clyybber> @Elegant Beef Not at all
22:47:47	FromDiscord	<clyybber> vulkan has a C api
22:47:51	FromDiscord	<clyybber> and I made a wrapper
22:47:58	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> same shit for me 😄
22:48:02	FromDiscord	<clyybber> https://github.com/Clyybber/vulkanim
22:48:10	FromDiscord	<clyybber> no need to touch C
22:48:27	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> i meant the names dont align always
22:48:31	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Or types dont make sense
22:48:38	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Atleast when i was using opengl
22:48:38	FromDiscord	<clyybber> Yeah, its just delete underscore
22:49:00	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> OGL has some weird shit
22:49:07	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> like colour3B using signed bytes
22:49:10	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> like tf 😄
22:49:13	FromDiscord	<clyybber> yeah
22:49:33	FromDiscord	<clyybber> good thing it dies
22:49:47	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> indeed
22:49:49	disruptek	yay, krux02 fixed me.
22:50:00	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Oh no distuptek jrs.?
22:50:01	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Nice
22:50:05	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> 😛
22:50:24	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> @clyybber how dare you not make that a nimble package
22:50:27	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> 0/10
22:50:34	FromDiscord	<clyybber> ah
22:50:39	disruptek	hah, i still beat you.
22:50:42	FromDiscord	<clyybber> prolly cauze I don't use nimble heh
22:50:53	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: Nope
22:50:57	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> what you just wget everything?
22:51:05	FromDiscord	<clyybber> git submodules
22:51:09	FromDiscord	<clyybber> the past is the future
22:51:09	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> ah
22:51:20	disruptek	everything old will be new again.
22:51:21	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> idk man packages are cleaner
22:51:39	FromDiscord	<clyybber> I think exactly the other way around
22:51:40	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lol
22:51:40	disruptek	elegant: you use nimph?
22:51:49	FromDiscord	<clyybber> but yeah I should probably publish it on nimble
22:51:52	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Nope i dont
22:51:59	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> i dont even know what nimph is
22:52:08	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disrupteks pkg manager for nim
22:52:19	disruptek	hmm, it's like the radio ads aren't working.
22:52:27	disruptek	might need to go back to paper mailers.
22:52:33	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> what's a radio?
22:52:33	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disbot enable ad broadcast
22:52:39	FromDiscord	<clyybber> what are frogs?
22:52:40	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Is that something you old people used?
22:52:49	FromDiscord	<clyybber> HEY!
22:52:58	FromDiscord	<clyybber> no no no you cannot joke about that
22:52:59	disruptek	it was popularized by the phonograph.
22:53:29	FromDiscord	<clyybber> its still amazing what you discover with RTLSDR
22:54:37	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Yea im too small brain to setup vulkan
22:54:52	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Reading is tedious
22:55:02	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I prefer ramming my head against the wall until something sticks
22:55:12	disruptek	to the wall?
22:55:32	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Or to my now mishapened head
22:56:19	FromDiscord	<clyybber> bgfx calls for you I guess
22:56:36	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Probably
22:56:41	FromDiscord	<clyybber> or rapid
22:56:56	FromDiscord	<clyybber> which is a game engine
22:56:58	FromDiscord	<clyybber> by lqdev
22:58:15	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Eh rapid only has ogl
22:58:34	lqdev[m]	I don't plan on supporting anything else
22:58:40	lqdev[m]	for the time being
22:58:43	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Lies i see webgl!
22:58:51	lqdev[m]	ah, webgl
22:59:22	lqdev[m]	that might come at some point. I'd need to create a robust high-level OpenGL wrapper first, though
22:59:54	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> The big issue with me not using vk or ogl directory is im not going to learn graphics programming, but im very uninterested in reading these walls of text, so im not going to learn graphics programming 😄
23:00:26	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> directly*
23:01:41	disruptek	what?
23:02:35	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> That's about as nonsensical as it was written
23:02:57	disruptek	in that case, it's clear as mud.
23:03:25	FromDiscord	<exelotl> I've been using three.js at work and it's nice, would be cool if Nim had something like that
23:04:01	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> couldnt you use nim to talk to the threejs library?>
23:04:02	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> couldnt you use nim to talk to the threejs library?
23:04:49	FromDiscord	<exelotl> oh yeah but you'd have to write a full set of bindings and keep them up to date
23:05:07	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Easier then making a threejs duplicate 😄
23:05:32	FromDiscord	<exelotl> maybe there could be something like c2nim but for typescript definitions
23:05:43	FromDiscord	<exelotl> that would make JS bindings a breeze
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23:07:12	FromDiscord	<exelotl> but also I was thinking something for the desktop primarily
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23:25:07	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: Did you port generic_128?
23:25:29	disruptek	no, and i'm not sure i even finished it, honestly.
23:25:48	disruptek	dealing with a nigel thing.
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23:33:42	FromDiscord	<clyybber> disruptek: agressive approval lol
23:34:25	FromDiscord	<clyybber> lemme join you just for funzies
23:34:50	disruptek	wut
23:35:00	FromDiscord	<clyybber> the int128 pr
23:35:56	disruptek	yeah, well, i'm not sure what we're waiting for.
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