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00:13:21FromDiscord<Varriount> Hm, this is interesting: http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2018/p1364r0.pdf
00:13:27FromDiscord<Varriount> https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20191011-00/?p=102989
00:14:00FromDiscord<Varriount> Wasn't Ruby moving towards using fibers?
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00:20:23FromDiscord<mratsim> wow andreaferretti book looks mind-blowing (literally) (https://github.com/andreaferretti/commutative-algebra)
00:24:24FromDiscord<mratsim> I'm skeptical @Varriount
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00:25:50FromDiscord<mratsim> in the report: http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2018/p1364r0.pdf it says no blocking allowed
00:26:20FromDiscord<mratsim> AFAIk fibers are used to handle blocking and are an alternative or complement to the event API provided by the kernel
00:26:30FromDiscord<mratsim> and threads are the same
00:27:04FromDiscord<mratsim> stackful and thread-local-storage: use heap memory and a GC
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00:28:46FromDiscord<mratsim> Split stacks/segmented stacks: that's a hard problem. I solved it by using a thread-safe memory pool and another layer of caching on top
00:38:19disruptekdid ioselects get brox0red?
00:38:27disruptekselectors?
00:38:39disrupteki cannot make them work right now.
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01:32:37FromDiscord<Winton> Hello, a friend was building a browser in Vala but he found it a bit cumbersome since the syntax is similar to Java or C #, I told him about nim and well he has his plans with the renderizago gecko engine
01:32:58FromDiscord<Winton> any recommendation and library for the user interface ?
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01:41:23FromDiscord<flywind> Some libraries like `nimx` `nigui` or `wnim`
01:41:43FromDiscord<flywind> you can find much more libraries in https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/Curated-Packages#gui
01:42:00FromDiscord<Winton> Windowx?
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01:43:17FromDiscord<flywind> don't need cross-platform?
01:45:41FromDiscord<Winton> Windows at the moment is for learning purposes for the
01:46:45FromDiscord<flywind> `nimx` ,`nigui` and `wnim` can work in windows.
01:47:03FromDiscord<Winton> thanx
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06:10:57silvernodeWell I got all the basic items added to the prototype code for my space game
06:11:28silvernodeJust pushed a commit
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06:11:56silvernodehttps://github.com/silvernode/space-nim
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06:13:26silvernodeAll the new code is in the experimental branch
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06:24:41silvernodeI decided to use all of the custom types such as 'Item' in procs so I can pass information and change attributes when needed. Any feedback on that method of doing things would be appreciated.
06:25:47silvernodeI might add a parameter to all the items that allows me to change the worth of an item based on station prices
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07:35:37alexander92wow andreaferretti
07:35:42alexander92such a book
07:35:43alexander92nice
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08:32:17Araqbye bye Marathon, cancelled
08:32:27Araqunsurprisingly
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08:41:53FromDiscord<Rika> oh hello silvernode
08:41:56FromDiscord<Rika> ah
08:41:57FromDiscord<Rika> shit
08:42:02FromDiscord<Rika> i'm hours late
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09:05:06PMunchAraq, yeah everything is cancelled here
09:05:21PMunchAnd all gyms, cinemas, etc. are closed
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09:10:32AraqPMunch, oh really? I didn't know
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09:10:46Araqhow many cases do you have?
09:11:16PMunch819 total
09:11:19PMunch1 dead
09:11:59PMunchMight not sound like much, but we're only 5mil people in total
09:12:09PMunchSo we have one of the highest per-capita number..
09:13:15PMunchBars and restaurants are also closing, although it's not 100% certain if they are required to
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09:13:32PMunchPretty much only stores are left open..
09:13:38Araqschools?
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09:14:23PMunchHigh schools are closed
09:14:45PMunchPrimary and middle schools are closed in some parts of the country
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09:15:34FromDiscord<Rika> ah yes the younger the child the less prone they are to sickness
09:15:57Araqyeah and they don't have parents or great parents and they never interact with them
09:16:44PMunchYeah it's dumb, but it has to do with how it's organised. High schools are organised by a different layer of the government
09:17:03FromDiscord<Rika> then the govt layer the lower schools are in are dumb
09:17:20PMunchPretty much, those are the local government
09:17:21Araqschool is still open here and I am furious about it
09:17:39FromDiscord<Rika> whole city is lockdown here for one month
09:17:39PMunchHigh schools across the country closed yesterday
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09:18:30PMunchI'm working for home and have enough food here to probably last me comfortably for a week or two, months if I want to eat different kinds of flavoured rice
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09:22:29PMunchPeople have of course started hoarding food..
09:22:45PMunchSo the stores are running out, which are going to cause more people to hoard..
09:22:49PMunchIt's a mess
09:22:56Zevvpeople like you :)
09:23:17PMunchOh no, I just always have plenty of food in the pantry :P
09:23:43PMunchWent to the store yesterday and got some ingredients to make pizza, but not more than I would've normally bought
09:26:13PMunchNow that I think about it I also have a large stash of freeze-dried hiking meals
09:26:24PMunchThat's at least a weeks worth of food :P
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10:03:21PMunchHahaha, they just announced on the news that a lot of the students who were going to have e-classes couldn't because the e-classes solution they use is down across all of Europe
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10:24:50FromDiscord<flywind> It's strange.My package name is basicregex, when I import ../../src/core/basicRegex, it's ok in windows devel but fails in 1.06 and it fails in linux both devel and 1.06.😄
10:26:59PMunchimports are not case-insensitive
10:27:10PMunchBut on Windows they are, because Windows file-names are case-insensitive
10:27:51PMunchAnd it looks like 1.0.6 added an extra check to ensure that people wouldn't write packages on Windows that wouldn't work on Linux because of the underlying file system
10:30:20FromDiscord<flywind> sorry, it works in windows 1.06.
10:31:11PMunchAh, so no extra check was added..
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10:32:42FromDiscord<flywind> Thanks for help.
10:35:05FromDiscord<flywind> looks like macos behaves like windows
10:35:09FromDiscord<flywind>
10:35:09FromDiscord<flywind> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/371759389889003532/687972008184512522/unknown.png
10:46:47FromDiscord<Kiloneie> Let's not talk about this crap, because if you can't tell, it's insanely over exagerated on how serious it is, just google how bad the previous ones were, many of which came from China as well.
10:47:21PMunchflywind, yes MacOS is also case-insensitive
10:47:43PMunchOr rather HFS+ (the file system MacOS most commonly uses) is case-insensitive
10:48:13PMunchKiloneie, I think the problem with this one is how aggressively it spread
10:48:35PMunchI mean H1N1 had an R0 of about 1.3 I think, Covid is at about 2.4
10:48:47FromDiscord<Kiloneie> it's only a danger to older people with pre existing conditions
10:49:14PMunchOlder people and/or people with pre-existing conditions
10:50:22FromDiscord<Kiloneie> Sure it spreads fast based on data we don't really have access to, but seriously people are panicking way too freaking much
10:50:55FromDiscord<Kiloneie> if this was a really dangerous one, we would all be dead already as the preventives countries have made are absolute crap.
10:52:02FromDiscord<Kiloneie> Also it doesn't help that some people are already running around in shorts with this wacky weather.
10:52:31FromDiscord<mratsim> That's not the main issue
10:53:05FromDiscord<mratsim> At this rate it will become a seasonal disease like H1N1 from 2009, so we will have outbreak every year but 20x more fatality rates
10:53:18PMunchYeah I'm not afraid of doing from it myself..
10:54:11FromDiscord<Kiloneie> Well hopefully China will learn not to have those crapy stands of meat from oh so many animals all mixed together in open air
10:54:41PMunchMore worried about my grandparents and such. And if everyone gets it at the same time the health system is just absolutely going to break down, which isn't great..
10:54:43FromDiscord<mratsim> Culture and traditions are very hard to change
10:55:03PMunchDidn't they actually pass some new laws about that like this week?
10:55:32PMunchhttps://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/05/asia/china-coronavirus-wildlife-consumption-ban-intl-hnk/index.html
10:55:49alexander92oh
10:55:53alexander92in bulgaria we just got into
10:56:08alexander92uh no idea how is it called in english
10:56:11Araqit's not from meat, it's a bio-weapon that escaped the lab
10:56:14alexander92emergent state?
10:56:26alexander92state of emergency*
10:56:57FromDiscord<mratsim> The Yunnan region proverb is going the way of the dodo "You can eat anything that has four legs other than a table, anything that flies other than an airplane, and anything that swims other than a submarine."
10:57:26PMunchI mean you can, but possibly only once
10:57:45alexander92Kiloneie it doesnt matter at all if mostly old people are dying, because younger people can still be carriers of disease and infect them/overwhelm ICU-s
10:57:47PMunchalexander92, oh wow. I don't think that has been officially declared here
10:57:53PMunchAraq <_<
10:57:56Araq(I'm not entirely serious but how knows)
10:57:59FromDiscord<mratsim> France was in a state of emergency between 1995 and 2005 after a terrorist attack, it was hard to see what was the difference after 2 years
10:58:00Araq*who
10:58:12Araqlol
10:58:22alexander92praise God we dont have any cases in Plovdiv actually
10:58:30PMunchI mean it would be a weird weapon to push, like who would benefit from it?
10:58:44alexander92we have mostly 23 at all, so its a bit surprising
10:58:51PMunchI guess the fact that it takes mostly old/sick people might be positive for the pensions system..
10:58:53alexander92mratsim wow 10 years
10:59:22alexander92but its mostly because we're not very disciplined about quarantine
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11:00:05PMunchalexander92, better safe than sorry I guess..
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11:00:19alexander92PMunch yeah i was a bit surprised, i hope the north is cold enough for it to not spread
11:00:37alexander92like i cant imagine an epidemic in such cold places for some reason
11:01:31alexander92Araq yeah i also doubt it: its almost impossible to control such a thing, and there have been many outbreaks from China before and in history anyway
11:01:58alexander92its the simplest explanation and it fits
11:02:56vegaiI thought cold was good for this virus
11:03:06vegaiand a warmer weather will make transmissions less likely
11:03:10FromDiscord<Recruit_main70007> it is
11:04:19FromDiscord<Recruit_main70007> im with Araq, they had the corona in a lab, and they fucked it up, in fact i think it could be a cross between the flu and HIV, since the people that die are usually old with other diseases before
11:04:56PMunchBut why
11:05:05alexander92but there have been so many outbreaks through history, what is so different about this one to require a lab: it just feels forced
11:05:14FromDiscord<Recruit_main70007> as a bio weapon
11:05:16PMunchWith all conspiracies it's important to follow the money, who would benefit from that
11:05:45alexander92but how can you control such a bio weapon: you need to somehow vaccinate *all of your citizens* without getting anyone to be suspicious and without leaking it
11:05:50PMunchBut it's completely indiscriminate..
11:06:35alexander92or yeah to just attack certain kinds of people, but why would you attack old people
11:06:41PMunchI mean a vaccine could just be part of your vaccination program for a long time. But no country seems to be particularly immune to it so far..
11:06:44FromDiscord<Recruit_main70007> i think it wasnt on purpose, although the chineese goverment could know that in the case of a pandemy, they could manage the situation with their regime, and other countries would not be able to.
11:07:18alexander92if this was true, this would leak 100 times and other countries would literally wage war for stuff like this
11:07:33alexander92i really doubt such an operation is achievable
11:08:14FromDiscord<Recruit_main70007> communism can hide things from the rest of the world, they ve done it before
11:08:35alexander92i can imagine something leaking from a lab as a result of simply experimenting, as they do some very weird stuff in china sadly, but i really doubt it and i dont think it would be intended
11:08:51FromDiscord<Recruit_main70007> i also doubt it
11:08:53alexander92Recruit meh, not really
11:09:05alexander92people generally knew about the stuff communists do around here
11:09:18alexander92even with some delay
11:09:48FromDiscord<Recruit_main70007> a lot of them, yes, but im sure they still hide a lot of things
11:10:18FromDiscord<Recruit_main70007> gotta work :p
11:10:18FromDiscord<Recruit_main70007> bye
11:10:25alexander92bye bye
11:11:21alexander92btw the gitter bridge doesnt work
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11:52:26PMunchKiloneie, if you're around I made a little recording using my $0.63 lapel mic: https://uploads.peterme.net/lapeltest.mp3
11:52:52PMunchI mean this keyboard isn't super noisy to begin with. But the only clicks you can really hear in that recording is when I'm slapping the spacebar
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11:55:49PMunchJust remembered that I have a switch tester with MX switches, this is what they sound like when clicked at about the same distance as where I keep my keyboard: https://uploads.peterme.net/lapeltest_switches.mp3
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12:10:08FromDiscord<Kiloneie> it's weird how good the voice quality is on something that cheap oO
12:10:20FromDiscord<Kiloneie> gotta see if i can find it as cheap here
12:11:01PMunchYeah, I was very surprised :P
12:11:23PMunchIt does have a slight hiss to it, but nothing that the PulseAudio echo-filter can't handle
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12:25:03PMunchKiloneie, I think this is pretty much the one I have: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000592902319.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.25c32021t7Xk3l&algo_pvid=63fc5c48-4dd3-4b35-b9f3-86ed0fa3108a&algo_expid=63fc5c48-4dd3-4b35-b9f3-86ed0fa3108a-2&btsid=0ab6f82315841022619814158e666c&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
12:31:34FromDiscord<Kiloneie> If i only knew the name of this in my language, all im getting are every other kind of microphone D:...
12:32:02PMunchWhich language?
12:32:08FromDiscord<Kiloneie> Slovenian
12:32:56FromDiscord<Kiloneie> this seems to be the best i can get with a quick search on website that tries to find cheapest prices for a product, and it seems very popular: https://www.mimovrste.com/pc-mikrofoni/tracer-mikrofon-studio-pro-set
12:33:03FromDiscord<Kiloneie> not seeing any lapel ones...
12:33:25PMunchhttps://www.heureka.sk/?h[fraze]=lavalier+mikrofon
12:33:36PMunchThere's plenty, but not any really cheap ones..
12:33:56FromDiscord<Kiloneie> https://www.ceneje.si/L3/432/avdio-video/glasbena-oprema/mikrofoni?sort=3
12:34:08FromDiscord<Kiloneie> same here, put on cheapest to highest filter, and...
12:34:15FromDiscord<Kiloneie> across many stores this is it...
12:34:35PMunchhttps://www.ceneje.si/Izdelek/1436089/avdio-video/glasbena-oprema/mikrofoni/proel-mikrofon-kravatni-lcm1
12:34:41PMunch€10, not too bad
12:35:05PMunchOh wait, that was a head-mounted thing
12:35:12PMunchI guess that would work too though
12:35:23FromDiscord<Kiloneie> yeah but for 33.7€ more € - 5€ on delivery cause i got VIP there as in free delivery, it's a much better deal
12:35:38PMunchhttps://www.ceneje.si/Iskanje/Izdelki?q=kravatni+mikrofon
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12:35:52PMunchKravatni mikrofon seems to be the word you're looking for
12:36:05FromDiscord<Kiloneie> which translates to tie mic
12:36:11FromDiscord<Kiloneie> as in tuxido tie...
12:36:18alexander92guys this exception handling thing starts to look very wild
12:37:00alexander92i am afraid if we get several kinds of error + flags for it this will be just a combinatorial explosion of edge cases/lib signatures
12:37:16alexander92is it easy to make all this orhtogonal
12:37:17PMunchMakes sense, they are commonly attached to your tie, or lapel (the thing either side as an extension to your collar in a suit jacket)
12:37:28alexander92all those *
12:38:12FromDiscord<Kiloneie> https://www.mimovrste.com/pc-mikrofoni/tracer-mikrofon-studio-pro-set?tab=reviews 43.70€ + 2€ for home delivery take over, this seems like a really good deal, great opinions on it too from 20 people, hopefully it lasts thougfh the arm and everything
12:38:41FromDiscord<Kiloneie> no 50 cent replacement for me here xD...
12:39:07FromDiscord<Kiloneie> still really cheap though, my current mic with boom filter cost me like 120€ about 10 years ago, i guess everything got much cheaper now
12:39:10PMunchHaha, can't you order from AliExpress? Or do you just not want to wait for shipping?
12:39:26FromDiscord<Kiloneie> idk about quality there...
12:39:26PMunchYeah I think microphones and such have gotten quite a bit cheaper
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12:39:57FromDiscord<Kiloneie> i ordered a VGA to digital... or vice versa converter once, and it never delivered
12:40:02PMunchTypical chinese quality :P But the one I linked looks exactly like the one I have, and it sounds very good for 40.63
12:40:04FromDiscord<Kiloneie> till then i bought my new pc setup
12:40:07PMunch$0.63*
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12:40:24FromDiscord<Kiloneie> where did you get it ? 63 cents what
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12:41:46PMunchThe one I linked you: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000592902319.html
12:42:02PMunchApparently they're down to $0.53 now :P
12:42:16PMunchWith free worldwide shipping
12:42:31PMunchI got mine from AliExpress
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12:43:11FromDiscord<Kiloneie> this will arrive in like 2 months due to corona crap though D:
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12:44:03FromDiscord<Kiloneie> also if i buy the mic with the arm i linked, i can for sure get at least 20€ for my current mic and boom filter since boom filters can't just drop in price
12:44:24FromDiscord<Kiloneie> so that's about 15-20€ for the setup i need
12:45:31FromDiscord<Kiloneie> occasionally i find some sets at extremely good prices
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12:48:15FromDiscord<Kiloneie> Like this is a really good deal: https://www.mimovrste.com/miske-in-tipkovnices/redragon-gaming-komplet-4-v-1-s101-ba
12:48:15FromDiscord<Kiloneie>
12:48:15FromDiscord<Kiloneie> Im planning a lan party system for the future, 5 computers and this is like amazing good price.
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12:52:53disruptek!last livcd
12:52:54disbotlivcd never seen.
12:53:21disruptek🙁
12:55:05Araqok, so now schools are closing here too
12:56:35FromDiscord<Kiloneie> same here
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12:58:06disruptekgood.
12:58:18disruptek!last rika
12:58:19disbotRika spoke in 12#nim 22 hours ago
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12:59:32FromDiscord<Rika> hello?
12:59:56disruptekhow are you feeling?
13:00:47FromDiscord<Rika> better regards sickness, more annoyed regards the lockdown, even more annoyed regards the code i've been trying to improve the speed of
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13:02:07disruptekgood.
13:02:10disruptek😉
13:02:41FromDiscord<Rika> wtf do you mean good ;~;
13:03:15disruptekcould be worse. livcd was in quarantine and we haven't heard from him in days.
13:03:24PMunchUhoh
13:03:39PMunchI mean, he could just be sick and not on IRC :P
13:03:53PMunchBut he's probably dead
13:08:08alexander92huh really
13:08:15alexander92how do you know he was in quarantine
13:08:33FromDiscord<Rika> perhaps he said so
13:10:03AraqI think you have internet in quarantine
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13:16:57FromDiscord<Rika> oh my god
13:17:05FromDiscord<Rika> its not the requests making my process lag
13:17:10FromDiscord<Rika> oh my god
13:18:46PMunchAraq, but what about computer viruses. One can never be too careful!
13:19:01PMunchRika, did you find your bottleneck?
13:19:06FromDiscord<Kiloneie> that is so 2000...
13:19:21FromDiscord<Kiloneie> viruses in these days ? lmao D:
13:19:22alexander92rika oh did you find it
13:19:37alexander92Araq btw what about effects in async code
13:19:52alexander92is there any difference in how are they handled currently
13:20:16FromDiscord<Rika> pmunch, i have a hunch on what it is
13:21:15alexander92wow this is almost poetry :)
13:21:37alexander92if one imagines munch being pronounced like hunch
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13:21:55PMunchHaha :P
13:22:00FromDiscord<Rika> O_O internal error
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13:22:28FromDiscord<Rika> when using defer in a block that returns last expression
13:22:38Araqalexander92: I dunno, it's all non-sense
13:22:41FromDiscord<Rika> yield in expr not lowered
13:22:46FromDiscord<Rika> interesting
13:23:10AraqRika: report it please
13:23:19PMunchUnfortunately it isn't, Munch is pronounced more like punk than hunch. But with the u pronounced more like the u in university.
13:24:08FromDiscord<Rika> like "myunk"? or something?
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13:24:38FromDiscord<Rika> ill try making a reproducible first
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13:26:46PMunchFuck it, since I had my mic set up: https://uploads.peterme.net/name.mp3
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13:27:00alexander92Araq dont be a nichilist!
13:27:03alexander92PMunch i know
13:27:19alexander92hmm no i pronounce it like munich but without i
13:27:27FromDiscord<Rika> huh, i cant seem to replicate the issue
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13:27:53FromDiscord<Rika> so "myunkh"
13:28:35PMunchWhere do you get the y from? :P
13:28:41disrupteksomewhere between moonk and monk. americans pronounce it `monk`.
13:28:59FromDiscord<Rika> english pronunciation of munich
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13:29:20PMunchOur Brazilian relatives actually changed their names to "Munk" in order to have people pronounce the name closer to how it's intended
13:29:27alexander92yeah in bulgarian its like m strong-german-u n k
13:29:53PMunchalexander92, yeah that's pretty much exactly it
13:30:33FromDiscord<Rika> i have no idea how european pronunciation works
13:30:45FromDiscord<Rika> all i know are american pronunciations and asian ones
13:36:17disruptekmy family name is actually kimmich; german. but no one pronounces it with a hard k correctly in the states.
13:36:53PMunchWait what, how do they pronounce it?
13:37:20disruptekthey get the first k right but it should be `kimmick`.
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13:38:41PMunchAah
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13:38:51PMunchSo same as my -ch
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13:39:10disruptekyep.
13:39:30PMunchI thought they somehow messed up the first one :P
13:39:49disruptekwherever there is stupid, there is an american.
13:39:58disruptekwe will find a way.
13:44:35PMunchArgh, back to my issue from yesterday, how can I pass one node tree through an identifier, and one through a block to a macro..
13:45:15FromDiscord<Rika> THERE IT IS
13:45:27FromDiscord<Rika> god it took me so long
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13:46:54Araqalexander92, I personally still think "quirky exceptions" are best, all things considered. The only reason I'm not pushing for them is that it's mostly unexplored territory
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13:49:23FromDiscord<Rika> ok wtf xd its not just that wtfffff
13:49:30FromDiscord<Rika> ill go insane before i realize that im an idiot
13:50:21PMunchhttps://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2e72
13:50:49PMunchWeird error, why is the argument to a macro not possible to evaluate on compiletime?
13:51:07PMunchRika, haha :P
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13:52:48PMunchSame error without the template: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2e75
13:54:05FromDiscord<mratsim> because in the VM context there is no compile-time, everything is at runtime for the VM
13:54:22FromDiscord<mratsim> i.e. use let instead of const and use if instead of when
13:54:28FromDiscord<mratsim> and no "static" block
13:54:51PMunchThat is all well and good
13:55:10PMunchBut I still can't figure out how to do this
13:57:07alexander92Araq i have to try them, however i like radical methods :P
14:00:53alexander92rika what was the error
14:01:28FromDiscord<flywind> sink can't work with varargs?
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14:17:57okcchow i can get value of a ptr like *(some_ptr) in C?
14:18:08disrupteksomeptr[]
14:18:39disruptekquirky /is/ best, but how can we support progressive use of quirky so i can use it in libs?
14:18:50disruptekthis is the problem afaik.
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14:22:43okccdisrupttek: it's that the default way?
14:22:56okccalso thank you :)
14:23:01disruptekyep.
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14:27:39PMunchHmm, is there seriously no way to pass a NimNode tree to a macro?
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14:52:55FromDiscord<mratsim> okcc: use ptr UncheckedArray[T]
14:54:16FromDiscord<mratsim> ah misread you wanted to dereference
14:54:50ZevvPMunch: why would you do that?
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14:57:25PMunchBecause I'm trying to do magical things with macros :P
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14:57:46PMunchBut I think I've found a way to do it
14:57:52PMunchOr rather to do what I wanted to do
14:58:04disruptekjust have the macro call a compile-time proc. use the proc to do the work.
14:58:10Zevvright
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14:58:19ZevvThe first thing I always do from a macro is go into procs
14:58:24Zevvso that I do understand what is happening
15:00:03FromDiscord<mratsim> Magical things with macros: Summon poney
15:00:04PMunchdisruptek, that doesn't work, because I want to pass one node tree by an identifier
15:00:35disruptek~stream
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15:24:23PMunchUhm, wut: Error: type mismatch: got <untyped> but expected 'NimNode = ref NimNodeObj'
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15:44:37FromDiscord<mratsim> are you passing a NimNode to a template?
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15:45:41disruptek!last leorize
15:45:41disbotleorize spoke in 12#nim 24 hours ago
15:46:46disrupteknimsuggest not working. my life is broken.
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15:52:09leorizedisruptek: o/
15:52:27disruptekhey, i don't get it. it works fine until i change branches.
15:52:50disrupteki think that's the problem, anyway. exits with code 1.
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15:55:21leorizetry calling it yourself then?
15:55:50disruptekhow?
15:56:26leorizenimsuggest --find /path/to/file.nim
15:57:00disruptek/home/adavidoff/git/Nim/lib/system/assertions.nim(29, 7) Error: type mismatch: got <proc (msg: string){.noinline, noSideEffect, gcsafe, locks: 0.}> but expected 'Hide = proc (msg: string){.noinline, noSideEffect.}'
15:57:04disruptek.raise effects differ
15:58:28livcdif anyone is wondering i might be infected so yeah
15:58:40disruptekoh hey
15:58:43disruptekare you sick?
15:59:07livcdi was released from quarantine just a few days ago and there were 3 people infected in our office :D
15:59:32disruptekdude, get away from me.
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15:59:51leorizelol
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16:00:12leorizelivcd: stay safe :)
16:01:06livcd:F what can I do i am gonna die
16:01:11livcdi have asthma and weak lungs
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16:01:34disruptekis he gone?
16:02:35livcddont get too stressed :-)
16:03:30FromDiscord<mratsim> you have an excuse to work on Nim all day
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16:11:16shashlickI've implemented https://github.com/nimterop/nimterop/issues/169 in a branch for nimterop - do folks have any concerns with the change?
16:11:17disbot➥ Skip `{.header.}` generation
16:14:18disruptekleorize: any ideas? just a quirk of the devel compiler?
16:14:32leorizeyea
16:14:52leorizeiirc 4raq pushed a change that disallow hiding {.raises.} via casting
16:15:07disruptekthat punk.
16:15:13leorizewhich assert and friends do
16:15:22leorizeso you gotta update your nimsuggest to deal with that
16:19:01disruptekthank $deity for tests.
16:19:03disruptekoh wait.
16:27:50shashlickdisruptek: does gittyup have tests?
16:28:00disrupteki think a couple.
16:28:39shashlicki need to verify that wrappers are still working correctly with that change
16:30:01shashlickdoes nimph have tests??
16:30:07disrupteka couple.
16:30:26disrupteknimble doesn't work in devel, though.
16:30:32disrupteksame problem as nimsuggest.
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16:33:02shashlickwhat's the issue
16:34:21disruptekhttp://ix.io/2e7E
16:34:58alexander92ok they are closing our gyms
16:35:06disruptekNO
16:35:52alexander92it's actually very radical
16:36:11disruptekit's due to a0eca7518223a18f3633150de2c8d3c1c9e71560
16:36:14alexander92they're closing everything except grocery stores, apothekes and drogeries
16:37:21alexander92livcd is alive
16:38:07FromDiscord<Rika> apothekes?
16:38:13FromDiscord<Rika> drogeries? drug stores?
16:39:06disruptekyep.
16:39:24disrupteki'm trying a build all just before the sink inference.
16:39:46shashlickdisruptek: http://ix.io/2e7H
16:40:07disruptekknown failure. unrelated.
16:41:05shashlickokay
16:41:31disrupteki wonder why no one else has this issue i'm having, though.
16:41:52disruptekpre-sink-inference works.
16:43:29disruptekshashlick: segv for me testing nimph, sadly.
16:44:12disruptek~stream
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16:44:44disruptekgittyup is fine, though.
16:45:12shashlickdo you mean with the test nimterop or nim
16:45:20alexander92rika yeah sorry, not sure what are the english words
16:45:36disrupteksince i ran the gittyup tests, now it seems that nimph is working.
16:45:38alexander92pharmacies* and drug stories
16:45:43alexander92stores*
16:46:00disruptekit's so weird the way that happens with nimterop.
16:46:47shashlickare you talking about my {.header.} change
16:46:58disrupteki have no idea.
16:47:38Araqhi livcd, I'm glad you're around
16:48:00disrupteknimph is back to dumping extra hintConf again.
16:48:31disruptekwhy did that change in the compiler?
16:49:48Araqwhat do you mean?
16:50:24Araqwhat change?
16:50:57disrupteki'm getting extra nimConf. more than i'm used to.
16:51:00leorizegah, some nimsuggest features are just painful to use
16:51:16leorizeit offloads too much work to the user
16:51:17disruptekanyway, different problem... nimsuggest is crashing on my edited files, but not when i revert my changes.
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16:52:21Araqjust fix the crash and don't fuck around with git history
16:52:47Araqthere is a debug mode somewhere, enable it, look at the stack trace, done
16:52:54disruptekkk
16:53:12Araqusually 'nim check' replicates the bug
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16:53:19Araqso that you don't even have to start nimsuggest
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16:53:44disrupteknot this time.
16:53:58disrupteki can't even build nimsuggest now.
16:55:15Araqthat's covered by our CIs though
16:55:32disruptekour CIs don't have my edited source in them. bad data.
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17:24:50PMunchHmm, why did this only run one check? https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13620
17:24:51disbot➥ Improve deque, tables, and set modules
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17:42:26disruptekmy nimsuggest crash is due to `Something {.deprecated.} = object` 🙁
17:43:30disruptekwell, the one that isn't due to the assertion issue with sink inference, i mean.
17:47:04Araqnow ... instead of fixing bugs I'm gonna make another exception handling proposal...
17:47:15*disruptek sighs.
17:47:37Araq:-)
17:47:55disruptekluckily, i can gdb this segv. i'm amazed. it's threaded.
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17:51:52disruptekeven with color syntax hi-lighting. what a world.
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18:08:38alexander92Araq oh yeah
18:08:53alexander92exception handling is like solving the korea conflict
18:09:15alexander92it's not, ok
18:09:23alexander92disruptek why are you debugging nimsuggest
18:09:40disrupteki seem to have a parse issue, incredibly.
18:09:49disruptekno ast for deprecated object nodes.
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18:10:45disrupteki don't need deprecated object nodes as much as i need nimsuggest, but perhaps others would like their compilers to not crash when such an animal is encountered.
18:11:40alexander92computers crashing no bug splashing flashing in our mood
18:11:56alexander92animals are not computers, computers are not bugs
18:12:17disruptekat least we have an application for our nim-powered id-tags for fosdem2021.
18:12:32disruptekan alarm goes off when two id-tags get within 7' of each other.
18:12:39disruptekprevents infection.
18:12:39alexander92the face thing right
18:12:44alexander92i just thought about this today!
18:12:50alexander92i am probably only the 829392-st
18:13:08alexander92but imagine how hard would it be to eat
18:13:16disruptekyou don't eat your id-tag.
18:13:24alexander92you'll have to throw stuff to your mouth
18:13:27alexander92i dont like it
18:13:31disruptekwait, what?
18:13:44alexander92well if the first id tag is on your hands
18:13:48alexander92and the other one on your face
18:13:57disruptekevery person wears a single tag.
18:14:06alexander92but no, you shouldnt touch your face
18:14:09disruptekas long as your burger doesn't wear a tag, too, you should be okay.
18:14:11alexander92i am not sure why tho
18:14:20alexander92but what if my burger wears a tie
18:14:21disruptekif you had ever seen my face, you'd know.
18:14:24disruptekmostly teeth.
18:15:16alexander92your dentist must feel like a facelifter!
18:15:24Araqalexander92: anyhow here is the idea
18:16:02alexander92i hope we ca nhandle it
18:16:36Araqthere are 3 ways to deal with an error: 1) on error die, 2) on error propagate, 3) on error continue until X
18:17:10Araqwe support 1 and 2 well, quirky does (3)
18:17:13FromDiscord<mratsim> 4) on error reboot
18:17:33Araqmratsim: same as 'die' for me, but maybe you're right
18:18:03Araq(3) is almost always what I want in a destructor
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18:18:45alexander92we can ignore an error right
18:18:54Araqand if enable-able for a section of code it's generally useful
18:18:54Zevvaraq: practical example?
18:19:38AraqZevv: for x in fields(obj): =destroy(x) # destroy all the field, remember the first error for later
18:19:38alexander92but how hard is for one to write such code
18:19:40disruptekyou are iterating and adding to a result; you would like to get whatever work you have done in the loop despite raising at some point.
18:19:52alexander92that independently on what error strategy/flags are used
18:19:59alexander92it kinda works as expected
18:20:00ZevvAraq: right, that makes sense indeed
18:20:14Zevvbut what about consequent errors?
18:20:39Araqyou can stack them but it quickly can take up lots of memory
18:20:48Zevvexactly
18:21:02Zevvbut not stacking them is throwing them away, which is also not right
18:21:05AraqIMO the first error is almost the most important one and the rest can be ignored
18:21:22Zevvpfew that makes it hard to reason about things
18:21:28Araqit's what the Nim compiler does by default, nobody complained
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18:21:58Zevvhow so? it does not "complete until X" now, does it?
18:22:09Zevvyou are referring to exceptions leading to more execptions
18:22:13disruptekit does with quirky.
18:22:23Zevvno one uses quirky
18:22:32Araqthe 'X' is to be determined
18:22:44AraqI suggest it means "until the current function returns"
18:23:11Zevvhm does that hold? In your example =destroy(x) might throw
18:23:24Zevvso *that* is the throwing function, not the one doing the for loop
18:23:55disruptekno
18:24:21disrupteki mean, yes, this is the problem. but the original exception was presumably in the loop func.
18:24:55Zevvhmm
18:25:00Araq1. destroy calls 'dealloc'. no error possible, easy.
18:25:20Araq2. destroy calls 'close', 'close' errors because it triggers an IO op
18:25:26Zevv3. destroy does stupid things because people are stupid
18:25:37Zevvbut let's go for 2
18:25:40Araqother 'close' calls still run but we remember the error
18:26:03Araqsounds ok, it's pretty much what I would code by hand
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18:26:36Zevvand how would you tell the compiler to handle like this instead of proagating down the call chain right away?
18:27:10Zevvwrong worded, let me retry:
18:27:14Araqyet-another-pragma or yet-another runtime hook
18:27:25Zevvis that the default behaviour or can you choose somehow
18:28:08Zevvpragma makes sense
18:28:57disruptekis this currently impl as a transform?
18:30:56Araqit's not implemented at all
18:31:09disrupteki mean quirky.
18:31:28Araqquirky is in the C backend
18:31:34disruptekahh.
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18:38:16FromGitter<kaushalmodi> Araq: Is there isn't way to expose all export marker procs in a .so, right?
18:38:32FromGitter<kaushalmodi> ..as is I manually annotated each with `{.exportc, dynlib.}`
18:38:34Araqno.
18:38:49FromGitter<kaushalmodi> trying to figure out how to debug a crash
18:39:01FromGitter<kaushalmodi> because it happens only in a regression suite that runs like 1000 simulations
18:39:15FromGitter<kaushalmodi> and when I run just that one seed manually, the crash does not happen
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18:40:14FromGitter<kaushalmodi> as each symbol is not exposed, the stacktrace is not very helpful: ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` ⏎ ⏎ even when g++ compiled with -O0 [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5e6bd38e1f0d285eb278f046]
18:40:31FromGitter<kaushalmodi> .. I need to figure out what those "don't know"'s are
18:40:57Araqhuh?
18:41:09Araqyou don't need to expose symbols, you need a debug build
18:41:23FromGitter<kaushalmodi> above is with debug build
18:41:28FromGitter<kaushalmodi> with --debugger:native
18:41:59FromGitter<kaushalmodi> I cannot invoke gdb because I cannot reproduce this crash interactively
18:42:21FromGitter<kaushalmodi> the crash happens 1/1000 times in a regression suite kicked off on a CI machine farm
18:42:35FromGitter<kaushalmodi> so the only info I get back is that stack trace
18:43:41Araqyou can attach the debugger to a running process
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18:44:56FromGitter<kaushalmodi> but that process is running on a remote machine that I cannot access
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18:45:14FromGitter<kaushalmodi> this is how I generate the debug builds: ⏎ ⏎ > nim cpp --out:libdpi_64.dbg.so --app:lib --nimcache:./.nimcache -f --opt:none --debugger:native --listCmd --gcc.cpp.options.debug="-O0 -g3 -ggdb3" --gc:none libdpi.nim
18:47:01FromGitter<kaushalmodi> btw I pasted the wrong part of the stack trace but this shows the same issue: ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5e6bd5259f25f2238b7dc010]
18:47:14FromGitter<kaushalmodi> libdpi_64.dbg.so is what I built using above command
18:47:33FromGitter<kaushalmodi> cffg_psd_from_arrays has exportc, dynlib so that's visible in the stacktrace
18:47:59FromGitter<kaushalmodi> it then calls stuff from the ggplotnim and ginger nimber packages.. but I cannot see what all it is calling
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18:52:59disruptekleorize[m]: how do i run nimsuggest tests?
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18:56:51sekaohas anyone written a treesitter parser for nim yet? i know there's a nim wrapper for the library itself, but i haven't found any parser yet
18:57:54shashlickNot to my knowledge
18:58:01shashlickI use it in nimterop
19:02:18sekaocool i might give it a try at some point. maybe it would help to start with the python grammer. not sure how any of it works yet
19:05:49FromGitter<mratsim> @alehander92 lol, what’s my signature on HN?
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19:24:07shashlick@mratsim - do you have any wrappers based on nimterop in production?
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19:25:08FromDiscord<Recruit_main70007> @mratsim ^
19:27:05disruptekstatus is pretty anti-nimterop afaik.
19:28:44shashlickthey've been pretty supportive in terms of feedback, cept for stefan who thinks it is a bad idea in principal
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19:32:31disruptekit's amazing how many bad ideas have working implementations compared to good ideas.
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19:44:22FromDiscord<Kiloneie> because bad ideas are usually easier to implement ?
19:46:03FromDiscord<mratsim> @shashlick, our wrappers predate nimterop
19:46:14FromDiscord<mratsim> nim-blscurve and nim-secp256k1
19:46:45FromDiscord<mratsim> for my own project I'm still using nimgen for clblast
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20:03:01dwdvInteresting discussion on the safety mode RFC. Is this yet another step towards pony- or parasail-like error handling where runtime-exception simply aren't a thing? Wonderful! ;)
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20:07:58FromDiscord<mratsim> https://nim-lang.org/araq/destructors.html
20:08:04FromDiscord<mratsim> first language cited is parasail 😉
20:08:19Araqdwdv: actually I revived my branch for it
20:08:28Araq"araq-static-bound-checks"
20:09:01Araqwhen you use .defects: [] you have to write code so simple that Nim's proof engine can handle it
20:09:21FromDiscord<mratsim> "parallel" has issue with simble bound checks though :/
20:09:36Araqin my branch it's a tiny bit smarter :P
20:10:00Araqbut explain to me what "simple" means for you
20:10:58FromDiscord<mratsim> it failed with a[i], a[i+1], a[i+2] a[i+3] when unrolling a loop iirc, but maybe I was also in global context and not in a function, it was a long-time ago
20:11:07FromDiscord<mratsim> I was trying to implement parallel reduction
20:12:18Araqthese are supposed to work
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20:13:53Araqbut tbh I sometimes wonder if arnetheduck simply wants a .correct pragma
20:14:09Araqyou write .correct to your proc. and the compiler says "nope".
20:14:34Araqand it always says that because it never is correct.
20:15:05Araqproblem solved, the compiler catches all of your bugs at compile-time
20:16:39FromDiscord<mratsim> "nope nope nope"
20:17:11FromDiscord<mratsim> That said I'm really interested in the Z3 work
20:17:13shashlickOk thanks
20:17:41FromDiscord<mratsim> People are using Coq to generate C, Go and Rust code now: https://github.com/mit-plv/fiat-crypto
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20:38:16dwdv"<Araq> 'araq-static-bound-checks'" -- interesting. Were there similar experiments done along the way of pony's not-so-clever forced approach? `try arr(idx)? else foo end`
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20:50:01FromDiscord<mratsim> that's like Python's "exceptions are control flow"
20:50:18disruptekno, thank you.
20:51:53disruptekmaybe .correct just implements the proc n*m ways and throws out any that aren't viable. so you get undefined behavior, but at least it's "correct".
20:58:29dwdvWell, when used as an expression then the above isn't much different from rust's unwrap_or(foo).
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21:26:03FromDiscord<djazz> late stream again... did some nice progress on my web framework https://www.twitch.tv/daniel_hede
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22:06:35FromDiscord<Spy653> yo anyone with experience with gui's know what the difference between FLTK and IUP is?
22:07:08FromDiscord<Spy653> is there ever a right gui lib to use or is it always just preference
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22:27:48FromDiscord<exelotl> IUP doesn't have good mac support, but I've used it and it's quite nice and simple yet full featured
22:28:04FromDiscord<exelotl> but FLTK has a rather impressive showcase of things that are actually made in it
22:31:22FromDiscord<Spy653> the only thing thats ever really been important to me personally is visuals as I've never built anything to be sed by other
22:34:24FromDiscord<Spy653> I'm really loving the Internet explorer/VBS UI style at the moment don't know if that kind of thing is controlled by the OS or not though
22:47:44federico3a static "table" at compile time would be nice
22:47:56disruptekwe can do that.
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23:48:00leorize[m]disruptek: you compile the tester in nimsuggest/tests and run jt
23:48:11leorize[m]* disruptek: you compile the tester in nimsuggest/tests and run it
23:48:53leorize[m]make sure that the new nimsuggest is in your PATH, it won't work otherwise
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