| 00:00:14 | Demos_ | you can do a standalone VS based thing, like a "nimrod express edition" but I want to focus on the plugin |
| 00:03:00 | OrionPK | oh interesting |
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| 00:07:01 | dom96 | Demos_: Could not load file or assembly 'file:///C:\Users\charlie\source\VisualNimrod\NimrodVS\bin\Debug\NimrodVS.dll' or one of its dependencies. The system cannot find the file specified. |
| 00:08:01 | Demos_ | oh christ |
| 00:08:30 | Demos_ | serves me right for trying to have a library with the process starting functions |
| 00:09:03 | dom96 | lol |
| 00:09:28 | dom96 | Maybe I should just try installing it from git? How do I do that? |
| 00:13:02 | Demos_ | dom96, did you get that error when you tried to install the VISX? |
| 00:13:17 | dom96 | Demos_: no, when I launched VS |
| 00:13:33 | dom96 | Demos_: It told me to look in some ActivityLog.xml |
| 00:13:52 | Demos_ | oh that is the project system being stupid |
| 00:14:10 | Demos_ | I am not sure if you can actually really deploy a project with a VSIX package |
| 00:15:00 | Demos_ | the location of all the controls is that dll and for some reason it is referenced in the .pkgdef as being my source directory |
| 00:17:35 | dom96 | so how do I fix it? |
| 00:18:37 | Demos_ | well building from source would fix it, but that is not ideal |
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| 00:28:56 | dom96 | 'night |
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| 02:02:18 | adoniscik | hello, folks. If you install a package with the babel 0.2 that comes with nimrod 0.9.4, will it be possible to uninstall it with the babel in the next version of nimrod since the current version doesn't support uninstallation? |
| 02:02:53 | adoniscik | secondly, is there any plan to support user-directory package installs? |
| 02:04:45 | def- | adoniscik: user-directory installs with babel? |
| 02:04:57 | adoniscik | correct. |
| 02:04:58 | def- | and hi |
| 02:05:01 | adoniscik | hi to you too |
| 02:05:24 | adoniscik | like python does with pip install --user |
| 02:05:30 | adoniscik | so you don't need to sudo |
| 02:05:39 | def- | i never used sudo with babel and it works |
| 02:05:44 | def- | so i guess the installs are local |
| 02:05:48 | adoniscik | let me try again... 1s |
| 02:06:04 | def- | maybe that didn't work in babel 0.2 though, i have 0.4 |
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| 02:06:59 | adoniscik | check it out: http://pastebin.com/NwQ19WhK |
| 02:07:00 | def- | yeah, i have a .babel directory in my home with all the packages |
| 02:07:21 | adoniscik | you are right, so do I, so what gives? |
| 02:07:31 | def- | adoniscik: works for me with babel 0.4 |
| 02:08:09 | def- | adoniscik: but i think that error comes because c2nim depends on the devel branch of nimrod |
| 02:08:38 | def- | 0.9.4 still comes with an included c2nim |
| 02:10:06 | adoniscik | so it does ... let me see how far I get with that |
| 02:11:22 | def- | about the uninstalls: i guess it will work, but reverse dependencies might be a problem |
| 02:11:30 | def- | so you could delete something that you still needed |
| 02:11:45 | adoniscik | ls |
| 02:11:51 | adoniscik | thanks |
| 02:17:31 | def- | you're welcome |
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| 02:41:36 | adoniscik | when wrapping C libraries, do the nimrod types correspond directly to the C types? |
| 02:48:51 | Skrylar | adoniscik: some of them do |
| 02:49:10 | Skrylar | though its best to use the 'c*' types like 'cint' to guarantee it |
| 02:49:17 | Skrylar | cint, clong, culong, cshort, csize, etc |
| 02:49:22 | def- | adoniscik: but there are typs like cint, cfloat and you can use cint(x) for some int to convert |
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| 03:00:11 | adoniscik | is it recommended to typecast to nimrod types in the wrapper or simply present users the original C types? |
| 03:02:31 | lorxu | .j |
| 03:04:12 | def- | adoniscik: I'm not sure, but the libraries I've seen so far present the C types |
| 03:05:08 | def- | i think usually the conversion happens automatically, but there were some cases where i had to push it by hand |
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| 03:13:48 | adoniscik | what does "Error: ';' expected" mean in c2nim? |
| 03:14:20 | def- | probably that it can't parse the C file |
| 03:14:42 | adoniscik | so you need two files: the header and thesource? |
| 03:14:49 | adoniscik | I just ran it on the header |
| 03:15:01 | def- | yeah, that's what I would do too |
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| 03:32:12 | adoniscik | I copied the source file too, but I still get the same error. I wish c2nim had a proper tutorial. |
| 03:34:36 | flaviu | adoniscik: Can you link to the file? |
| 03:35:14 | flaviu | if the header is public, of course |
| 03:35:59 | adoniscik | sure, it's the GSL: http://www.gnu.org/software/gsl/ |
| 03:36:23 | adoniscik | I tried a simple function, gsl_randist.h |
| 03:36:57 | adoniscik | module, rather. I was planning to wrap them one at a time |
| 03:37:23 | adoniscik | If you want to try DL it from http://mirror.team-cymru.org/gnu/gsl/gsl-1.16.tar.gz |
| 03:38:15 | flaviu | I've found it, thanks |
| 03:40:37 | flaviu | adoniscik: Seems that getting rid of the __BEGIN_DECLS / __END_DECLS will do the trick |
| 03:42:30 | adoniscik | when you find some spare time, could you add a simple tutorial and FAQ, flaviu? |
| 03:42:42 | adoniscik | thank you for your help |
| 03:43:24 | flaviu | I don't really have much experience, but maybe I can put something together later |
| 03:43:38 | adoniscik | c2nim is not yours then? |
| 03:44:16 | adoniscik | anyway, it still did not work. which version are you on? |
| 03:44:16 | flaviu | Nope, TBH this is my first time using it |
| 03:44:19 | adoniscik | sorry! |
| 03:44:33 | adoniscik | I saw your name on the commit list |
| 03:44:50 | flaviu | Ah, I just fixed a copy-paste bug, nothing major |
| 03:45:04 | flaviu | '+' -> '-' |
| 03:45:26 | flaviu | What error do you get? |
| 03:45:27 | flaviu | I |
| 03:45:40 | flaviu | 'm not sure of my version, I think its the latest from git |
| 03:46:17 | adoniscik | oh wait it worked after more careful clearning |
| 03:47:06 | flaviu | Ok, good to hear |
| 03:59:09 | adoniscik | btw, some headings of your tutorial don't work for me, e.g. http://nimrod-by-example.github.io/arrays/ |
| 04:03:00 | flaviu | Blank pages like that are empty, I've been procrastinating on getting more done |
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| 05:03:03 | flaviu | Huh, it seems that kramdown doesn't want to render for some unknown reason. Anyway, night |
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| 06:10:45 | adoniscik | how should you deal with OS-dependent preprocessor directives in c2nim? it seems to ignore them. I work around the problem by hard-coding for the OS I'm using but that's not "right". |
| 06:12:51 | adoniscik | see, for example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7787808/ |
| 06:13:22 | adoniscik | it only works when you remove the internal ifdef |
| 06:13:32 | adoniscik | any suggestions? |
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| 06:25:35 | dom96_ios | adoniscik: the latest babel already supports uninstallation of packages |
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| 08:36:38 | Araq | hi zematis welcome |
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| 08:38:45 | dom96 | hey Araq |
| 08:38:53 | Araq | hi |
| 08:38:55 | dom96 | so what should I call this 'checkForExceptions' proc? |
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| 08:40:08 | Araq | handleErrors() |
| 08:40:24 | Araq | passErrors() |
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| 08:40:37 | Araq | check() |
| 08:40:51 | Araq | how does the implementation look like again? |
| 08:43:48 | dom96 | fut.callback = proc () = if fut.failed: raise fut.error |
| 08:44:35 | Araq | so it *sets* a callback? |
| 08:45:00 | Araq | and how do you know it's not set already? |
| 08:45:29 | Araq | why isn't that the default callback implementation? |
| 08:45:55 | dom96 | because the user makes a conscious decision to use this proc? |
| 08:46:04 | dom96 | it doesn't make sense to use if the callback is set |
| 08:46:19 | Araq | well yes |
| 08:46:28 | dom96 | I just read about how C# handles exceptions with async |
| 08:46:34 | Araq | good |
| 08:46:47 | dom96 | It's quite interesting; they have a special async proc which returns a 'void' |
| 08:46:54 | dom96 | and in that case the exception is simply thrown |
| 08:47:00 | dom96 | because there is no Task object |
| 08:47:04 | dom96 | to capture it |
| 08:47:07 | dom96 | Perhaps we should do the same. |
| 08:47:16 | Araq | yes. |
| 08:47:28 | Araq | in general this C# stuff is very well designed |
| 08:47:31 | dom96 | However, that creates a gotcha. |
| 08:48:13 | dom96 | and you will be expected to write PFuture[void] |
| 08:48:15 | dom96 | explicitly |
| 08:49:10 | dom96 | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/jj991977.aspx |
| 08:54:15 | Araq | bah |
| 08:54:21 | Araq | that's pretty complex |
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| 08:54:45 | Araq | why is this callback not the default for PFuture[void]? |
| 08:56:43 | dom96 | Yeah, I don't think I can even implement it this way. |
| 08:56:59 | dom96 | The PFuture is pretty important |
| 08:58:00 | dom96 | Araq: I tried that. |
| 08:58:05 | dom96 | It caused some bad issues. |
| 08:58:36 | dom96 | The problem is that if the async proc returns immediately. |
| 08:58:39 | dom96 | With an exception |
| 08:58:49 | dom96 | like for example |
| 08:59:01 | dom96 | proc foo {.async.} = raise newException(EBase, "foo") |
| 08:59:14 | dom96 | var fut = foo() |
| 08:59:30 | dom96 | fut.callback = proc () = #my own handler |
| 08:59:43 | dom96 | The exception will be raised before I can set my own callback. |
| 09:00:08 | Araq | I see |
| 09:01:18 | Araq | raiseOnCompletion(fut) |
| 09:01:30 | Araq | should be the proc's name then, I think |
| 09:01:38 | dom96 | it's way too long |
| 09:01:42 | Araq | why? |
| 09:01:52 | Araq | it only covers some edge case |
| 09:01:53 | dom96 | Because there will be many cases where this will need to be called |
| 09:02:05 | Araq | that's bad |
| 09:02:09 | Araq | are you sure? |
| 09:02:17 | Araq | it mostly effects void futures |
| 09:02:38 | dom96 | it also affects async procs which I do not want to await. |
| 09:03:10 | Araq | in any case, it doesn't handle exceptions, it sets a handler |
| 09:03:16 | Araq | the name needs to reflect that |
| 09:03:29 | dom96 | perhaps something like 'run' or 'async' would be better |
| 09:04:16 | Araq | async procs that you don't want to await? when does that happen? |
| 09:05:06 | dom96 | well I suppose it does only happen with void futures |
| 09:05:10 | dom96 | but it happens often enough I think |
| 09:06:08 | dom96 | IMO it's too ugly to even use once |
| 09:06:38 | Araq | setChecker() |
| 09:06:56 | dom96 | asyncCheck? |
| 09:07:08 | Araq | meh, ok |
| 09:07:12 | dom96 | runAsync? |
| 09:07:25 | Araq | too confusing |
| 09:07:35 | Araq | asyncError() |
| 09:08:13 | Araq | we already have osError() ... and that does something different ... |
| 09:08:29 | dom96 | I suppose it makes sense |
| 09:08:37 | dom96 | they both will raise exceptions |
| 09:08:52 | Araq | asyncRaise() ? |
| 09:09:09 | dom96 | yeah |
| 09:09:12 | dom96 | I think that's the best |
| 09:09:30 | Araq | it doesn't imply a check though |
| 09:10:15 | Araq | I think asyncCheck is better |
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| 09:11:46 | dom96 | fine asyncCheck |
| 09:11:48 | dom96 | hi error424 |
| 09:12:08 | error424 | Hello! |
| 09:13:59 | Araq | yeah asyncCheck is good |
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| 09:14:23 | error_424 | Trying out hexchat |
| 09:20:17 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 374706b Dominik Picheta [+0 ±3 -0]: Void futures are no longer discardable. |
| 09:20:36 | dom96 | Araq: It's actually not as much as I thought. |
| 09:20:39 | dom96 | You were right :P |
| 09:24:10 | Araq | ha, you say that as if it's news :P |
| 09:25:40 | dom96 | Let's see if I can nimforum running on this new tech |
| 09:25:43 | dom96 | *can get |
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| 09:39:05 | fowl | needed this to define classes for python, template offsetof(ty,field): int = cast[TAddress](addr cast[ptr ty](0).field) |
| 09:39:27 | Araq | fowl: yeah we need an offsetof builtin |
| 09:40:42 | dom96 | well, that was easy |
| 09:41:05 | Araq | "well, that was easy" -- new slogan for nimrod? ;-) |
| 09:41:20 | dom96 | lol |
| 09:41:32 | dom96 | Why not |
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| 09:46:05 | NimBot | nimrod-code/nimforum new_async fbd8f05 Dominik Picheta [+1 ±3 -0]: Fixes for new_async version of Jester. |
| 09:46:55 | NimBot | dom96/jester new-async 4c94ef9 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Minor macro and async additions. |
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| 09:57:19 | dom96 | Araq: http://forum.nimrod-lang.org:8080/ |
| 10:03:06 | dom96 | Please test it guys. |
| 10:03:14 | dom96 | You can treat it as a sandbox |
| 10:04:47 | error_424 | looks like a working forums to me |
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| 10:18:44 | dom96 | error_424: good good |
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| 15:18:13 | OrionPK | morning |
| 15:18:34 | dom96 | hello OrionPK |
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| 15:29:35 | dom96 | OrionPK: I converted nimforum to the new async stuff and it works well |
| 15:29:50 | dom96 | Just need to fix one small thing |
| 15:47:29 | flaviu | Huh, it seems that a regex was messing everything up completely |
| 15:47:59 | flaviu | I have no idea why or how, it was very specific. Oh well, the workaround is pretty easy |
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| 16:38:13 | OrionPK | dom96 cool |
| 16:38:19 | OrionPK | dom96 using an nginx proxy? |
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| 17:18:05 | dom96 | OrionPK: nope |
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| 17:40:08 | OrionPK | scgi? |
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| 17:42:06 | dom96 | OrionPK: no |
| 17:53:54 | OrionPK | dont hold me in suspense |
| 17:54:58 | dom96 | OrionPK: Just asynchttpserver on its own |
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| 18:12:07 | OrionPK | oh cool |
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| 19:54:42 | Araq | dom96: can I merge new_spawn into devel? |
| 19:55:00 | dom96 | yeah, I guess |
| 19:55:08 | Araq | tested async with it? |
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| 19:58:38 | dom96 | not yet |
| 19:58:53 | Araq | well then I can't merge |
| 20:01:56 | dom96 | well i'm pretty sure it compiles |
| 20:02:01 | dom96 | I just haven't tested it extensively |
| 20:02:54 | EXetoC | ship |
| 20:03:40 | dom96 | Araq: Are pure enums in the stdlib frowned upon by you? |
| 20:04:49 | Araq | dom96: not anymore |
| 20:05:32 | Araq | EXetoC: lol |
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| 21:33:11 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel cdcdab4 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±5 -0]: Fix broken async tests. |
| 21:33:11 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel ac8ddb0 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±4 -0]: Implement safe flags for socket operations. |
| 21:34:23 | dom96 | Hopefully http://forum.nimrod-lang.org:8080/ will now stay alive |
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| 21:34:35 | flaviu | I'm looking for some application of non-zero indexed arrays |
| 21:37:46 | Jehan_ | flaviu: Matrices? |
| 21:37:54 | EXetoC | really? |
| 21:38:30 | EXetoC | a tilemap maybe, with negative coords |
| 21:38:34 | flaviu | Ok, thanks, that's perfect |
| 21:38:42 | Araq | 1:0 ! |
| 21:38:47 | Araq | WORLD CHAMPION! |
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| 21:38:57 | Araq | :DD |
| 21:39:12 | Jehan_ | EXetoC: In mathematics, vector/matrix indexing starts at 1 by convention. |
| 21:40:04 | Araq | flaviu: lookup tables in general, when the index type is an enum |
| 21:40:25 | Araq | array [foo..bar, string] = ["foo", "...", "bar"] |
| 21:41:03 | flaviu | I doubt people will make the connection, so I'll do both, thanks |
| 21:41:06 | Jehan_ | That's why in Fortran arrays start at 1 by default. |
| 21:44:05 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 2158952 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Linux async fixes. |
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| 21:56:57 | flaviu | Is there a way to pass an integer in type parameters? |
| 21:57:02 | flaviu | IE, https://gist.github.com/773f1c607db1c9048c69 |
| 21:57:18 | def- | flaviu: W, H: static[int]? |
| 21:57:37 | flaviu | For a type declaration. |
| 21:58:02 | def- | flaviu: i did something similar and it worked: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Matrix_multiplication#Nimrod |
| 21:58:22 | flaviu | Oh, I thought that static only works on params. Thanks |
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| 22:22:38 | Araq | wir sind weltmeister! who wants to congratulate...? |
| 22:23:11 | Jehan_ | Araq: I hope the fireworks end soon so that I can go to bed. :) |
| 22:25:52 | Araq | pfff |
| 22:26:12 | tinAndi | :) 1:0 the fireworks are no problem the cars are really anoying ;) |
| 22:27:52 | Araq | I hear neither here |
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| 22:30:45 | tinAndi | so you should visit Kusel :) |
| 22:37:13 | Araq | lol no way |
| 22:37:37 | Araq | I've been there |
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| 22:44:38 | tinAndi | naja, so langweilig ist es hier auch nicht (okay, schon etwas) ;) |
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| 22:58:13 | Araq | good night |
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| 23:12:33 | flaviu | dom96: I just remembered the answer to you question on why I wanted Java-style arrays: There would be no copying unless I specified it. |
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| 23:36:13 | girvo | hi all |
| 23:36:17 | def- | hi girvo |
| 23:36:37 | girvo | Quick question, trying to compile on OSX is giving me an error when doing `bin/nimrod c koch` :( |
| 23:36:38 | girvo | http://cl.ly/image/2f153d2u3G3f |
| 23:36:48 | girvo | Am I missing some deps or something? |
| 23:36:52 | def- | are you on the devel branch? |
| 23:37:08 | def- | i think the master branch doesn't compile right now because the c-sources are only for the devel branch |
| 23:37:25 | girvo | oh right! |
| 23:37:26 | def- | Oh yeah, it says you're on master |
| 23:37:37 | girvo | Might want to update the Download page perhaps :) |
| 23:37:43 | girvo | (or if it's just temporary, no great stress) |
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| 23:38:17 | girvo | brilliant, built perfectly |
| 23:38:18 | girvo | cheers |
| 23:41:25 | flaviu | Can someone look at http://nimrod-by-example.github.io/seqs/ ? It's way too short, I think I've missed something. |
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| 23:42:33 | def- | flaviu: var emptySeq = initSeq[int]() ? |
| 23:43:04 | def- | newSeq* |
| 23:43:15 | girvo | do I need to symlink the bin/nimrod binary myself after compiling? |
| 23:43:17 | def- | and maybe something with low, high, len? |
| 23:44:10 | def- | girvo: i added Nimrod's bin to my $PATH, but koch install [dir] can also be used to install into some directory |
| 23:44:16 | flaviu | def-: Thanks, I forgot about those |
| 23:44:17 | girvo | sweet |
| 23:44:33 | def- | flaviu: &, add |
| 23:45:20 | girvo | thanks def- :) |
| 23:45:29 | def- | you're welcome, girvo |
| 23:47:31 | def- | flaviu: talking about "nimrod by example", I have a lot of Nimrod examples here: https://github.com/def-/nimrod-unsorted |
| 23:48:35 | def- | oh, and to create seqs i also like sequtils' toSeq(1..100) |
| 23:49:01 | flaviu | Nice, I might use a few. Is the license MIT or BSD? |
| 23:49:08 | def- | license?^^ |
| 23:49:16 | def- | i don't really care, do what you want |
| 23:49:38 | flaviu | Ok, thanks |
| 23:51:16 | flaviu | Araq really should add strfmt to the stdlib, its amazing |
| 23:51:20 | def- | yes |
| 23:51:28 | def- | I used it for way too many of the examples |
| 23:52:04 | def- | (I think you shouldn't use external libraries for Rosetta Code) |
| 23:58:29 | girvo | http://www.wtfpl.net/ that license? :P |
| 23:59:00 | def- | Yeah, that's the spirit |