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07:37:56Associat0rdom96: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE8B4KptyVI
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11:11:13shafirehi
11:13:00EXetoChi
11:15:43shafireIs someone using ada in productive?
11:18:37EXetoCI don't know
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11:28:48Araq_shafire: wrong channel :P
11:30:26shafirelol
11:30:34shafireI someone using nimrod in productive
11:32:38shafireIs someone using nimrod in productive? :) so...
11:32:59Araq_yeah, http://forum.nimrod-code.org/t/189
11:33:44shafire:)
11:56:47shafireSo, nimrod was written original in Object Pascal?
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13:30:37Araq_shafire: yes
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17:04:11BitPuffindom96: Does jester have dynamic code reloading?
17:04:26BitPuffinIt would be awesome to have that
17:04:46BitPuffinand have a means to set up directories where you can write nimrod that compiles to js that also reloads dynamically
17:05:31OrionPKwhy not make u a coffee too
17:05:51BitPuffinthat would also be nice
17:05:51OrionPK:)
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17:24:11Mat2hi all
17:26:51BitPuffinhey Mat2
17:27:11BitPuffinAraq: Other than calling it via shell, is there a way to compile stuff from code?
17:27:31BitPuffinLike calling procs to compile nimrod to js or c or whatever or binary
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17:29:31Mat2hi BitPuffin
17:32:32Mat2hi io2
17:32:47io2hello Mat2, how are you doing :)
17:36:42Mat2fine, weekend time :D
17:41:52dom96BitPuffin: yeah, it would also be nice if I didn't have to go to school and "learn" how to use MS Word.
17:42:12Mat2hi dom96
17:42:12dom96hi ma
17:42:12dom96*Mat2
17:42:27Mat2hmm, Word96 ?
17:42:27Araqhey guys
17:42:37Mat2hi Araq
17:42:52AraqBitPuffin: you can import compiler/jsgen and see how to do that ;-)
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18:18:12shevyshould I get latest git source of nimrod or use the tarball? (Note: I'd also want to make use of aporia)
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18:21:42Araqlatest git version
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19:03:53BitPuffinAraq: Cool, just what I was looking for. I just didn't see any compiler part in the docs
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19:08:23BitPuffinAraq: so there isn't just one proc I can call to compile a nimrod text to js?
19:08:23BitPuffingen?
19:13:23BitPuffinAh
19:13:23BitPuffinAraq: Is it JSgenPass?
19:24:08BitPuffinhmm yeah if I am gonna make an ORM I am probably gonna use Sequel as reference. But I wonder how to make a good one in nimrod
19:26:53BitPuffinmaybe I should just write to a db I wanna use
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19:33:13AraqBitPuffin: it's not that simple but main.nim should be easy enough to figure out
20:05:53BitPuffinAraq: in compiler?
20:05:53Araqyeah
20:06:03BitPuffinAlright
20:06:13BitPuffinwoot
20:06:23BitPuffinllvmgen?
20:06:53BitPuffinI was hoping that we could bring say Jester (or something that builds on Jester) so that you can write as much as possible in nimrod
20:07:13BitPuffinlike the javascript, possibly html, probably not CSS
20:09:23BitPuffinHmm
20:09:33BitPuffinyeah that was a bit different than what I expected
20:09:53BitPuffinthis uses command line params
20:10:23BitPuffinwould be neat if there was a version of these things that was intended to be called from code
20:10:33BitPuffinI mean it has huge potential
20:10:53BitPuffinYou could practically use nimrod as a scripting engine by compiling to a dynamic lib that you reload
20:11:03BitPuffinand track for file changes etc
20:13:53Araqsure but I don't get why you need a dynamic lib for that
20:14:23Araqjust make some nice build script that runs the compiler when a file changes
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21:23:34BitPuffinAraq: Well I mean so that you can modify scripts while for example the game is running
21:23:44BitPuffintweaking variable values etc
21:23:44BitPuffinlike jump velocity or whatever
21:23:54BitPuffinand then in the final build you build it properly
21:24:09BitPuffinbut it's useful when making
21:24:44Araqoh I thougth you were talking about web apps
21:27:04BitPuffinWell that was just an example of something cool you could do if you could call the compiler easily from code
21:27:29BitPuffinmaking webapps you just have it generate the java script and refresh in the browser haha
21:32:54Araqwell it is quite easy to call the compiler from code :P
21:36:04shafireAraq: is there a technical paper for nimrod?
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21:41:44Araqno
21:42:49BitPuffinAraq: Well I mean like other than executing via shell :P
21:43:09BitPuffinBecause otherwise you probably have to do when defined(windows) etc for .exe
21:44:14BitPuffinsuch a hell xD
21:51:09shafiregood night guys
21:51:09Mat2ciao
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21:51:44AraqBitPuffin: no I mean importing the compiler's modules
21:51:54Araqand fyi we have os.exeExt etc. to deal with these things
21:52:04BitPuffinAraq: Ah!
21:52:04BitPuffinOh
21:52:04BitPuffincourse ):
21:52:04BitPuffin:)*
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21:53:24BitPuffinAraq: Well like how do I invoke the compiler modules, looks like it is using command line parameters
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21:55:24Araq of "js", "compiletojs":
21:55:24Araq gCmd = cmdCompileToJS
21:55:24Araq wantMainModule()
21:55:24Araq CommandCompileToJS()
21:55:44BitPuffinYes I did read that
21:55:54Araqso ... you need to set the global gProjectFull and perform the above steps
21:56:04Araqyeah not pretty
21:56:14Araqbut you can easily wrap it in a proc and make a pull request
21:57:09BitPuffinWhere did gProjectFull come in?
22:01:29Araqthat's what the command line parsing sets
22:06:14BitPuffinoh I see!
22:06:24BitPuffinwell yeah it shouldn't be too hard I suppose
22:06:44BitPuffinyou just copy the value of gProjectFull for backup
22:06:44BitPuffinthen set it
22:06:44BitPuffinrun
22:06:44BitPuffinand set it back
22:06:54BitPuffinor whatever
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23:10:14MFlameris there a "newShared[T](): ptr T" proc, or do I need to create one?
23:10:54Araqthe latter
23:12:29MFlamerok, is there any difference between allocated memory that is just not GC'd and what we call "shared memory"?
23:13:11Araqnot if you're talking about the type system
23:13:24Araq'alloc' is thread local, 'allocShared' global
23:15:56MFlamerOK, I dont totally understand what the difference is, other than neither is managed. But thats ok for now, Everything in my table needs to be shared
23:16:37Araqwell it's a ptr either way, so wrt the type system there is no difference
23:16:58Araqit's just that alloc is faster if you don't need the sharing
23:18:00MFlamerok, that makes sense. Need to make sure shared alloc is in a place thats safe from each thread
23:18:47Araqwell allocShared acquires a lock if that's what you're talking about
23:18:54Araqit is thread safe
23:19:10MFlamergot it
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23:29:34BitPuffinAraq: Does allocShared make use of TLS if available?
23:29:39BitPuffinI mean alloc
23:29:40BitPuffin*
23:29:54Araqyes
23:29:59BitPuffinwell
23:30:12BitPuffinthen that's another thing to be aware of for MFlamer I guess
23:31:05Araqwhy?
23:31:42BitPuffindunno, good to know I think
23:32:14Araqit's irrelevant
23:32:25BitPuffinI don't think so
23:32:32BitPuffinI mean it doesn't change the code
23:32:40BitPuffinbut it's nice to know that it will do the right thing
23:34:43Araqwell I need to sleep now. good night guys
23:35:04BitPuffingood night!
23:35:33MFlamerWhats TLS?
23:35:43BitPuffinMFlamer: thread local storage
23:35:54MFlamerok, got it
23:36:15MFlamerso it could be cached on a core or something?
23:37:10MFlamerI guess all I need to know is that it's not appropriate for shared use for the moment.
23:37:42BitPuffinMFlamer: Well no, for shared you should use allocShared
23:38:19BitPuffinMFlamer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread-local_storage
23:38:35MFlamerYes, I get that. allocShared vs. alloc
23:40:11MFlamerOK, thanks that's pretty straight forward.