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| 07:10:18 | FromDiscord | <arm_3_d> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=yxthjhNd |
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| 07:54:48 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> @arm_3_d if `someString` is `string` that's wholly unsafe as you're returning a string which is deallocated when the procedure returns |
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| 08:30:19 | FromDiscord | <arm_3_d> In reply to @Elegantbeef "<@107466914392969216> if `someString` is": Thanks. It means I need to call alloc explicitly and then return? Also if return value is a struct with cstrings in it I also have to provide corresponding free function for user convenience, correct? |
| 08:33:14 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Of course the barrier removes any automatic memory management |
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| 09:35:46 | Amun-Ra | and dangling pointers sooner or later will kick you in the you-know-what |
| 09:40:06 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Of course the barrier": why not just `GC_ref` a string? or is that not doable |
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| 09:42:42 | FromDiscord | <xtrayambak> Are my function names too big? 😅 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1284086848318341171/image.png?ex=66e55a91&is=66e40911&hm=e71e0596e2fcc1184da7089eb9684ec8fa761b19a362fa7f036170ce953febd9& |
| 09:46:07 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @xtrayambak "Are my function names": yeah definitely |
| 09:47:41 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @xtrayambak "Are my function names": whhy not `utf8ToUtf16BE` (which'd follow `utf<N>ToUtf<N><Endianness Abbreviation>` and have `error` as a default parameter |
| 09:48:18 | FromDiscord | <xtrayambak> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "whhy not `utf8ToUtf16BE` (which'd": ah, that seems more sensible now that I think of it |
| 09:48:39 | FromDiscord | <xtrayambak> hold on, that'd cause another problem though |
| 09:48:42 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Oh? |
| 09:49:02 | FromDiscord | <xtrayambak> the `<xyz>WithError` procs return `simdutf_result`, whilst the standard ones return a bool |
| 09:49:12 | FromDiscord | <xtrayambak> I could use `Result` now that I think of it |
| 09:49:19 | FromDiscord | <xtrayambak> but I don't want to force that on everyone who uses my library |
| 09:49:32 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Could return a tuple? |
| 09:49:43 | FromDiscord | <xtrayambak> tuples get messy fast from my experience |
| 09:49:50 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Also fair |
| 09:49:52 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Hm |
| 09:50:32 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> I guess you could have the error proc as a different function than, could use `Err` to signify you return an error |
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| 11:47:52 | FromDiscord | <andeee23> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=GgJpohnl |
| 11:48:34 | FromDiscord | <andeee23> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=GefCxIOr" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=wgURTFAI" |
| 11:49:08 | FromDiscord | <andeee23> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=DQmdhhfa" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=qYebEyjA" |
| 11:55:24 | FromDiscord | <nimaoth> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=LhrpFCjX |
| 11:55:36 | Amun-Ra | andeee23: you have to pick different names |
| 11:56:20 | Amun-Ra | those clash with ones in SDL3 |
| 11:59:05 | FromDiscord | <andeee23> In reply to @Amun-Ra "<@282574599558791169>: you have to": thanks for replying!↵which ones need to be renamed? I tried both the nim names and the exportc names and it didn't make a difference 🤔 |
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| 11:59:48 | Amun-Ra | "SDL_AppInit" etc. |
| 12:01:32 | Amun-Ra | h, I've read the comment |
| 12:01:48 | Amun-Ra | I think the culprit is the lack of #define SDL_MAIN_USE_CALLBACKS |
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| 12:10:43 | FromDiscord | <andeee23> In reply to @Amun-Ra "I think the culprit": i added that at the top in the emit↵↵i looked at the nim c cache and it seems like it doesn’t generate the functions in c |
| 12:11:17 | FromDiscord | <andeee23> seems like i just don’t understand how nim decides to output these |
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| 16:01:31 | Amun-Ra | I'll play with that in my free time |
| 16:13:08 | FromDiscord | <krissh.wtf> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=jLTbyKDm |
| 16:13:14 | FromDiscord | <krissh.wtf> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=KDywDRhp" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=VrcGUPVx" |
| 16:30:14 | Amun-Ra | actual error isn't shown in the log |
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| 17:03:34 | major0 | Are there any existing frameworks w/in Nim for automatically detecting cross compilers/linkers? |
| 17:07:10 | major0 | I have been reading through the docs and I get the feeling I need to either use something like autoconf to potentially generate a collection of nim.cfg files, or could just use autoconf+automake and manage all the build flags that way. Not really seeing anything that stands out for detecting the appriopriate cc/ld for a requested target. |
| 17:08:06 | Amun-Ra | depdns on the target platform, you can f.e. crosscompile for win32 with a single switch |
| 17:09:28 | major0 | Yah, I noticed that, but I am looking to target different architectures. E.g. arm64, riscv, x86_64, superh, mips, etc... |
| 17:10:30 | Amun-Ra | that requires redefine a few settings like compiler, linker and so one, quite easy |
| 17:11:13 | major0 | Right, but someone has to know the name of the cc/ld/etc and change the configs |
| 17:11:33 | Amun-Ra | mhm |
| 17:13:24 | major0 | Soo, I will need to provide something akin to autoconf to automatically detect cc/ld/etc and generate a nim.cfg based on a nim.cfg.in |
| 17:16:35 | major0 | That brings up my next inquiry .. is there any docs/guidelines/patterns for dealing with and abstracting arch specific optimizations. Something akin to src/arch/amd64/foo.nim. It doesn't seem like there is a clear way to import an arch specific version. I was tossing around the idea of having a standard path that everything can import and which handles doing an `include` based on the target arch. |
| 17:17:09 | Amun-Ra | the way I do it: https://dpaste.com/BX4LM6PZK |
| 17:17:16 | Amun-Ra | (nim.cfg) |
| 17:17:32 | Amun-Ra | you can define that in config.nims, too |
| 17:18:48 | Amun-Ra | and then: nim c -d=some_platform_switch main.nim and voila |
| 17:20:07 | Amun-Ra | and my tweaks for cross compiling for win32/64: https://dpaste.com/9YH8THHDW |
| 17:21:07 | major0 | Right, but generally you can use almost any `{arch}-*-gcc` to target an --os:any ELF binary. |
| 17:21:36 | Amun-Ra | and for emscripten: https://dpaste.com/DKYKQ6XD6 |
| 17:22:00 | Amun-Ra | it becomes quite easy once you get into it |
| 17:23:55 | major0 | Right, but this is `--os:any`, in fact, there is no target OS, only a target arch, and I want to use any available {arch}-elf capable cc/ld I can locate. |
| 17:24:21 | major0 | I suppose I can let the compiler sort it out on the backend on its own. |
| 17:24:39 | Amun-Ra | look at config/nim.cfg in your local nim directory |
| 17:27:20 | major0 | Right, but in all of these there is an assumed `os` target. |
| 17:29:23 | Amun-Ra | right |
| 17:30:04 | major0 | That is incompatible with my goals. |
| 17:32:51 | Amun-Ra | it's optional |
| 17:39:02 | major0 | Yah, just not really groking a way to easily do what I am trying to do via just the config.. |
| 17:41:20 | major0 | Does Nim honor the CC and LD environ variables? |
| 17:46:10 | FromDiscord | <crim4> hi do you remember about carbon language? well the author said in an talk that they wanted to transpile c++ idioms to carbon's one for proper c++ interop.↵↵since nim has probably the best c++ interop in the industry right now, how do you manage to create bindings (using c++ code inside nim) in the best way? for example a c++ class with inheritance, rather then a operator method or exception thrower method or even a method that takes an |
| 17:46:33 | FromDiscord | <crim4> since nim and c++ may have different semantics for similar concepts? |
| 17:47:31 | FromDiscord | <crim4> and these are pretty easy to bind actually, are there bettere examples where it's clear that binding a c++ idiom inside nim is really hard and results in bad binsing? |
| 17:47:34 | FromDiscord | <crim4> thanks |
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| 19:10:04 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Cause you're passing the string by it's cstring which means that you cannot free it. Not to mention Arc/Orc do not have ref counted strings↵(@Robyn [She/Her]) |
| 19:12:24 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> ah |
| 19:15:08 | FromDiscord | <spotlightkid> Isn't the bot that posted new Nim forum threads active anymore? |
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| 21:00:57 | FromDiscord | <firasuke> I am having troubles copying somewhat big directories using copyDirWithPermissions or copyDir on an ext4 filesystem (works fine with both cp and rsync). The directories appear to have been copied but the function stalls. |
| 21:03:33 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Are you sure the data is fully copied and the procedure is not blocking while it writes the data? |
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| 21:10:31 | FromDiscord | <firasuke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Are you sure the": I am not sure, it's taking a lot of time |
| 21:10:59 | FromDiscord | <firasuke> how can I check to see if that's the case? |
| 21:11:18 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Look at the system disk io whilst the program is running |
| 21:12:00 | FromDiscord | <firasuke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Look at the system": already did that, it stops moving |
| 21:12:13 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Then the API is broken |
| 21:12:34 | FromDiscord | <firasuke> ouch |
| 21:13:08 | FromDiscord | <firasuke> I will narrow it down |
| 21:13:17 | FromDiscord | <firasuke> I believe there's a certain type of file |
| 21:13:34 | FromDiscord | <firasuke> or perhaps an unresorvable or infinite symlink somewhere |
| 21:13:36 | FromDiscord | <firasuke> since this is a rootfs that I am copying |
| 21:18:21 | FromDiscord | <firasuke> yeah that was quick |
| 21:26:55 | FromDiscord | <firasuke> nvm this requires some more testing |
| 21:27:05 | FromDiscord | <firasuke> but yeah there's something it's stuck on |
| 21:37:47 | FromDiscord | <nevercompile> whats the best way to learn nim? |
| 21:48:02 | FromDiscord | <that_dude.> Small projects imo |
| 21:48:46 | FromDiscord | <nevercompile> well how to you learn to write vim and learn to know how to even build things in the language↵(@that_dude.) |
| 21:48:57 | FromDiscord | <nevercompile> well how do you learn to write vim and learn to know how to even build things in the language |
| 21:49:26 | FromDiscord | <that_dude.> Just double checking, do you mean nim or vim? |
| 21:50:04 | FromDiscord | <that_dude.> How much coding experience do you have in other langs, and how many lang? Do you know python? |
| 21:50:27 | FromDiscord | <nevercompile> nim my bad |
| 21:50:43 | FromDiscord | <nevercompile> i know enough python to make a text based adventure game |
| 21:51:00 | FromDiscord | <nevercompile> or follow a more complex tutorial with some understanding |
| 21:51:05 | FromDiscord | <nevercompile> [Edit](https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003530/371759389889003532/1284269614385201164): well how do you learn to write nim and learn to know how to even build things in the language |
| 21:54:28 | FromDiscord | <that_dude.> If you have a decent grasp of python, I would suggest taking a look at the main tutorials |
| 21:54:30 | FromDiscord | <that_dude.> https://nim-lang.org/docs/tut1.html |
| 21:55:46 | FromDiscord | <nevercompile> thank you thug |
| 22:01:27 | FromDiscord | <firasuke> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=ZKZvlyeB |
| 22:08:09 | FromDiscord | <that_dude.> @nevercompile im mid work so I couldn't finish my thought lol. I was going to suggest remaking one of your previous projects in nim, I'd say it's the fastest way to get a feel for the Lang in comparison to what you know. Alternively you can grab some basic leet code /starter difficulty style problems. |
| 22:12:03 | FromDiscord | <that_dude.> In order to learn Java recently, I first made a number guessing game, and then made a super simple 4 operator calculator with priority as a second. First one as a basio hello world with io. Second I could practice things like object construction, tree traversal, and inheritance |
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| 23:24:04 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> In reply to @crim4 "hi do you remember": If you want to learn how to learn how to interop C++ code:↵https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#implementation-specific-pragmas↵There is Nim bindings for the C++ STL:↵https://github.com/Clonkk/nim-cppstl |
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