<< 13-11-2021 >>
00:01:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> How is it not a nonconst location?
00:05:15FromDiscord<codic> I have no idea, that's what the compiler says
00:05:31FromDiscord<codic> Or is it saying that the whole expression (post-cast) is invalid
00:05:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> it's saying that `addr numdesk` isnt a constant or string literal
00:05:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So it's unsafe to be casting it to a cstring
00:06:01FromDiscord<codic> why is it unsafe
00:06:26FromDiscord<codic> also, it says so even for string literals, so that's wrong
00:06:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cause strings are Nim managed and depending what the C is doing they may attempt to access the data after free
00:06:32FromDiscord<codic> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3EPk
00:07:02FromDiscord<codic> I know for a fact that it won't, so how can I work around the errors?
00:07:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3EPl
00:08:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Explictly conver using `cstring(string)`
00:08:16FromDiscord<codic> cast[ptr char](cstring x)?
00:08:23FromDiscord<codic> btw this is not nessecarily a nim string
00:08:25FromDiscord<codic> it is a pointer to data
00:08:42FromDiscord<codic> (edit) "it is a pointer to ... datawhich" added "untyped" | "untypeddata ... " added "which is expressed as ptr char"
00:08:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So then `cstring(cast[ptr char](yourAddr)`
00:08:45FromDiscord<codic> (this is before C had void)
00:08:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I assume atleast
00:09:09FromDiscord<codic> yeah works thanks
00:10:22FromDiscord<codic> amazing https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/908871375563923527/unknown.png
00:10:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I do like that dom said "It'll be easy to make the macro" but meanwhile i'm fighting making it a non lazy macro 😀
00:14:35FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @Elegantbeef "So then `cstring(cast[ptr char](yourAddr)`": Would `cast[cstring](yourAddr)` also work?
00:14:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Probably
00:20:06FromDiscord<retkid> how useful is ptr, why has nobody told me about it, and when should i use it?
00:27:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's a pointer so you use it when you need a pointer that you control
00:32:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3EPs
00:34:08FromDiscord<dom96> nice
00:52:12FromDiscord<codic> In reply to @dom96 "Would `cast[cstring](yourAddr)` also work?": Yeah it does work
00:52:23FromDiscord<codic> Simpler indeed, thanks
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01:46:52PyautoguiQuestion: Is there a print version of http://ssalewski.de/nimprogramming.html? I am finding the meta-programming bit very useful, and prefer reading dead-tree books.
01:51:01FromDiscord<retkid> so
01:51:09FromDiscord<retkid> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3EPG
01:51:12FromDiscord<retkid> I kinda just wanna understand how this wo0rks
01:51:35FromDiscord<retkid> why do we need to do put the var in a specific place in order for it to be gcc safe?
01:51:44FromDiscord<retkid> why do we cast it?
01:51:45FromDiscord<willyboar> In reply to @Pyautogui "Question: Is there a": From what I know there isn't
01:51:52PyautoguiThanks
01:51:59FromDiscord<retkid> the ptr part i get, its constantly changing
01:52:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You keep saying `gcc` safe 😀
01:52:30FromDiscord<willyboar> But it's not difficult to convert adoc to pdf and print any part you like
01:52:40NimEventerNew thread by Ggibson: Byaddr tuple unpacking?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8616
01:52:42FromDiscord<retkid> In reply to @Elegantbeef "You keep saying `gcc`": because it exists outside of gcc?
01:52:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> no cause `gcc` is a compiler
01:52:56FromDiscord<retkid> fidopfgjdf
01:52:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `gc` is garbage collection
01:52:58FromDiscord<retkid> im tired
01:53:10FromDiscord<retkid> i dunno how i didn't catch that
01:53:15FromDiscord<retkid> i meant garbage collection, yes
01:53:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ok so `allocShared0` allocates on the thread shared heap and 0's the memory
01:53:29FromDiscord<retkid> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
01:53:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You're manually allocating it so you have control over it
01:53:42FromDiscord<retkid> So it puts it where all the threads can see it
01:53:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes with `refc` threads have independent heaps
01:54:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> with `orc`/`arc` the heap is shared so it's not required afaik
01:54:16FromDiscord<retkid> what does 0's the memory mean?
01:54:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> When you request memory from the OS it's got random memory in it so a bunch of invalid values, zeroing writes `0` in it so it's a default "good" value
01:54:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Depending on the type that 0-ing isnt "good"
01:54:58FromDiscord<retkid> AH
01:55:27FromDiscord<retkid> so no segfaults
01:55:45FromDiscord<retkid> is there any reason you'd use allocShared1
01:55:56FromDiscord<retkid> to do the opposite and just assign it to be a mistake
01:56:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> allocShared1?
01:56:33FromDiscord<retkid> idk why it came up nvm
01:56:44FromDiscord<retkid> im super tired i dont wanna pollute this channel anymore
01:56:46FromDiscord<retkid> thank you ,3
01:56:48FromDiscord<retkid> (edit) ",3" => "<3"
01:56:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You'd use `allocShared` for when you dont want zeroed memory since you're writing to it anyway
01:57:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's slightly more performance centric
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02:01:26nrds<Prestige99> I've been using parsetoml to read toml files, but is there a way to save? Or maybe I should switch to json...
02:03:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> parsetoml is that status'?
02:03:34nrds<Prestige99> https://github.com/NimParsers/parsetoml this
02:03:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah yea i'd just use statu's toml if you want it
02:03:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though it doesnt have hooks
02:04:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So it's pretty unfun
02:04:09nrds<Prestige99> hm
02:04:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> For my WM i have a whole bunch of config types since there are no hooks
02:05:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Personally i'd suggest using a library with hooks, it makes life easier 😀
02:11:39FromDiscord<evoalg> I can make a table var via `var t: Table[string, int]` or `var t = Table[string, int]()` or `var t = initTable[string, int]()` and they seem to do exactly the same thing ... is it just a matter of personal preference which one I use?
02:12:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes they're all initialized by default to good values
02:12:09FromDiscord<evoalg> nice
02:12:48FromDiscord<evoalg> When would I use `let a = {'a': 5, 'b': 9}.newTable` vs `let a = {'a': 5, 'b': 9}.toTable` ? I'm tring to understand the difference between newTable and toTable
02:13:17FromDiscord<evoalg> (and I dunno if it matter that I used let instead of var with them here)
02:13:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `newTable` is a reference table which means `var b = yourRefTable` isnt a copy of the values but now `b` and `yourRefTable` point at the same value
02:13:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You use references for that many to one relation, you want to reference the same table from many places
02:13:53FromDiscord<evoalg> oh!
02:14:05FromDiscord<evoalg> thank you!
02:14:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `new` implies either `ref` or heap allocations
02:14:41FromDiscord<evoalg> Thank you as alwasy Elegantbeef
02:14:53FromDiscord<evoalg> always
02:14:54FromDiscord<Varriount> Is it intentional that `let n = -1; echo uint32(n)` succeeds, even with range checks turned on?
02:15:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That should very much error
02:15:56FromDiscord<Varriount> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3EPP
02:16:02FromDiscord<evoalg> I thought uint's cycle?
02:16:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> They do but `int` -\> `uint` should error if it's out of range
02:16:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Seems it works for all of them oddly
02:16:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> !eval let n = -127i8; echo uint8(n)
02:16:54NimBot129
02:17:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Very much should error since those should be checked conversions, you should need to cast for this behaviour
02:20:45FromDiscord<evoalg> The Nim Tutorial (Part I) on the docs page says "Other programming languages may suggest the use of unsigned integers for natural numbers. This is often unwise: you don't want unsigned arithmetic (which wraps around) just because the numbers cannot be negative." <-- is it suggesting to avoid using uint's and that we should use ranged types instead?
02:21:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea it suggests using signed integers as underflow is less likely
02:23:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Should add the caveat that ranges are checked and nim's unsigneds are not
02:25:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3EPS
02:26:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> And if it's not clear from that PLEASE DONT EVER DO THAT
02:26:38FromDiscord<exelotl> yeah only use uints if you explicitly _want_ the wrapping behaviour
02:27:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> using try except one defects is how you piss me off 😛
02:27:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> on defects\
02:27:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Defects indicate flaws in code and should not use exception handling to get around
02:27:59FromDiscord<evoalg> Makes sense!
02:35:25FromDiscord<evoalg> If I really wanted to, I could make a type just for positive ints: `type PositiveInts = 0..int.high` right?
02:35:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yep but Nim defines that as `Natural`
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03:01:30FromDiscord<evoalg> I thought I read someone not to use Natural for var's but only use it for in proc parameters or some such?
03:02:46FromDiscord<evoalg> (I tried to look but couldn't find where I read it sry)
03:03:52FromDiscord<exelotl> nah, there's no reason to only use Natural for params, afaik
03:03:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Natural is just a range value so can be used anywhere they can be
03:04:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#Natural
03:04:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's exactly declared as you said 😀
03:04:49FromDiscord<evoalg> Thank you both of you
03:04:59FromDiscord<evoalg> oh nice!
03:06:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> if you keep thanking people you'll wear out your keyboard and never be able to write tom hanks a message
03:06:57FromDiscord<evoalg> hehe ok I'll limit them so they're more special 😉
03:08:32FromDiscord<demotomohiro> !eval echo typepof(1.Natural + 2.Natural)
03:08:34NimBotCompile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 6) Error: undeclared identifier: 'typepof'
03:09:16FromDiscord<demotomohiro> !eval echo typeof(1.Natural + 2.Natural)
03:09:19NimBotint
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03:11:48FromDiscord<demotomohiro> So if you use Natural anywhere, you might needs to overload operators for Natural
03:12:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Not really
03:13:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> !eval var a\: Natural = Natural(1) + Natural(2); echo a
03:13:03NimBotCompile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 9) Error: ':' or '=' expected, but got 'Natural'
03:13:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's subrange type it implictly converts to the value and back but it's a checked conversion
03:14:47FromDiscord<evoalg> so ranges are like assertions but everywhere?
03:17:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> They're checked unless you disable it
03:17:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Both runtime/compile time checked
03:17:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though the compile time is quite dull
03:18:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3EPZ
03:18:35FromDiscord<evoalg> ahh that's explains it well
03:18:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It'd be nice if the compiler could go "Hey this is a constant that isnt touched so i know it's `-1` and apply that, but alas
03:19:53FromDiscord<evoalg> I'm glad, otherwise it'd confuse the hell out of me
03:20:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well `a = b` in the above would ideally be a compile time error imo, but yea
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03:20:49FromDiscord<evoalg> ohhhhh I see what you mean
03:21:17FromDiscord<evoalg> and I agree
03:21:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Whenever you have something that's `val = literal | constant` or a comparison to a `literal | constant` it'd be nice for the compiler to say "Hey until this is mutated it's X"
03:48:13FromDiscord<leorize> we do have the tech for it in the compiler, just that no one wired it up for that \:p
03:53:48FromDiscord<Alea> is there anything important I'm missing by not updating nim 1.4.8?
03:53:55FromDiscord<Alea> (edit) "is there anything important I'm missing by not updating ... nim" added "from"
03:54:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `[]` iterators, explicit + implicit generic dispatch, some distinct fixes
03:54:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though there arent any `[]` iterators implemented in stdlib
03:56:48FromDiscord<Alea> are people running into any particular issues while updating at this point, or is it safe?
03:58:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No clue i've been using devel for a while at this point
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04:08:59FromDiscord<evoalg> there might be a list of regressions (or whatever they're called) somewhere though?
04:14:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The change log does have a list of changes yes
04:26:43FromDiscord<evoalg> I too am wishing there was `[1..]` ... https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3EQ9
04:28:45nrds<Prestige99> hm that would be nice
04:28:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3EQa 😛
04:29:19FromDiscord<evoalg> Elegantbeef to the rescue!
04:33:05FromDiscord<evoalg> I would have thought that `for i, line` would work without enumerate, but it doesn't
04:33:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nope `for x, y in z` calls `z.pairs` if it exists
04:33:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You have given me an idea to add to slicerator though
04:34:58FromDiscord<evoalg> oh but ... but I can do `pairs(mystr.splitlines)` and it works!
04:35:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's using `mystr.splitlines` the proc not the iterator
04:36:37FromDiscord<evoalg> okay
04:40:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3EQg
05:07:01FromDiscord<evoalg> is a nimble refresh the correct thing for me to do to when you add something new like that?
05:11:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I think the proper thing is to reinstall it since i'm not properly versioning it
05:11:37FromDiscord<evoalg> (as there's not "update") ... ahhh ok yea I ended up installing it again, over-writing the previous
05:11:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Not overly ergonomic, but i'm also not vendoring it properly
05:12:16FromDiscord<evoalg> I understand
05:16:01FromDiscord<evoalg> I'm still confused .. the `.splitLines` returns a seq, so why doesn't `for i, line in mystr.splitLines:` work? It works if I do `let myseq = mystr.splitLines; for i, line in myseq:` right?
05:16:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> there is a `splitlines` that is a procedure and one that is an iterator, given the context it chooses the iterator and goes "nope this isnt right"
05:17:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> when you do `pairs(myStr.splitLines)` it's not looking for an iterator so it matches with the proc and then pairs is called on the `seq[string]`
05:19:09FromDiscord<evoalg> oh right, now I understand 🙂
05:19:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> And here i was going to quickly make an example
05:19:43FromDiscord<evoalg> maybe if you do I'd understand better
05:21:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3EQp
05:25:27FromDiscord<evoalg> whereas enumerate is an iterator right?
05:25:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> enumerate is a for loop macro so it doesnt expect anything in that slot
05:27:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can compile with `--expandMacro:enumerate` to see how it expands your code if you want to understand mroe
05:29:17FromDiscord<codic> In reply to @nrds "<Prestige> I've been using": For config btw nim's std/parsecfg is pretty epic format too
05:32:03FromDiscord<evoalg> now I know everything! 😉
06:08:07FromDiscord<PatAPizza> heyy
06:08:12FromDiscord<PatAPizza> is nim production ready?
06:09:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Some use it as such
06:35:12FromDiscord<codic> If it's not production ready it never will be!
06:51:40FromDiscord<Yardanico> (codic's answer is a joke btw)
06:54:44FromDiscord<reilly> IMO, the Nim language in and of itself is more than production ready. Whether or not Nim's tooling and ecosystem is production ready is debatable.
08:23:03FromDiscord<arnetheduck> In reply to @nrds "<Prestige> I've been using": https://github.com/status-im/nim-toml-serialization is what we use mostly
08:50:27NimEventerNew thread by Puruneko: Generic type in generic type, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8617
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10:38:17FromDiscord<enthus1ast> @arnetheduck\: i was looking into https://github.com/enthus1ast/nimSocks/issues/8 and i'm wondering how to make it proper (any suggestions here btw?). What do you mean with "some dialects of Nim" ?
10:39:51FromDiscord<enthus1ast> i would solve it now, by looping through the enum and check the value.
10:40:08FromDiscord<enthus1ast> but recent nim version seem to handle this fine
10:44:52FromDiscord<hogspeed> https://thegreatwhitebrotherhood.org/welcome/important-message-from-the-gwb/
10:46:26FromDiscord<faix> Hello, I would like to communicate over an anonymous unix domain socket.↵There is a call connectUnix(path), but the connection doesn't work.↵I guess the root of the problem is the path. The path string doesn't start with "\\0". How to construct such a string?
10:47:02FromDiscord<haxscramper> `--panics:on` vs `--panics:off` creates two dialects of a language where `Defect` has different meaning
10:47:28FromDiscord<enthus1ast> ah i see thanks [haxscramper](https://matrix.to/#/@haxscramper:matrix.org)
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10:55:19FromDiscord<enthus1ast> [faix](https://matrix.to/#/@faix:matrix.org)\: `echo "foo\0baa"`
11:35:50FromDiscord<faix> sock.connectUnix("\\0/var/run/jet.socket") but strace tell me\:↵setsockopt(3, SOL\_SOCKET, SO\_REUSEADDR, [1], 4) = 0↵connect(3, {sa\_family=AF\_UNIX, sun\_path=@"/var/run/jet.socket"}, 22) = -1 EAFNOSUPPORT (Address family not supported by protocol)↵epoll\_ctl(4, EPOLL\_CTL\_ADD, 3, {events=EPOLLIN\|EPOLLRDHUP, data={u32=3, u64=3}}) = 0
11:39:26FromDiscord<faix> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3ERJ
11:40:18FromDiscord<enthus1ast> you can use tripple \` for code formatting
11:41:17NimEventerNew thread by Mantielero: Help needed - issue with a wrapped library, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8618
11:42:46FromDiscord<enthus1ast> have you created the socket correctly? `newSocket`
11:51:16FromDiscord<faix> var sock = newAsyncSocket()↵sock.setSockOpt(OptReuseAddr, true)↵sock.connectUnix("\\0/var/run/jet.socket")
11:53:45FromDiscord<enthus1ast> the domain must be AF\_UNIX
11:55:21FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ERM
11:55:56FromDiscord<faix> strace tell me It's AF\_UNIX↵connect(3, {sa\_family=AF\_UNIX, sun\_path=@"/var/run/jet.socket"}, 22) = -1
11:56:11FromDiscord<Rika> Try it nonetheless
11:57:34FromDiscord<enthus1ast> yeah could be, but `EAFNOSUPPORT` suggest that there is a invalid combination, or, that you os really does not support it. Maybe wsl?
12:03:10FromDiscord<faix> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3ERR
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12:07:12FromDiscord<faix> ok, thanks for the support guys, i keep digging
12:13:39FromDiscord<Benjamin> This post on the forum might be spam meant to create backlinks (see the two periods ". .")\: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7731#55773
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12:14:14FromDiscord<zetashift> oh good one, looks like it!
12:14:25FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sneaky
12:15:36FromDiscord<Rika> What are back links
12:15:55FromDiscord<enthus1ast> links to a site to raise its value
12:16:12FromDiscord<enthus1ast> to raise its "page rank"
12:17:27FromDiscord<Benjamin> Could be the opposite for all I know, lowering a competitor's pagerank. SEO is weird.
12:19:31FromDiscord<qb> dlopen: `If file is a null pointer, dlopen() shall return a global symbol table handle for the currently running process image.` How could I realize that in Nim? nim's posix dlopen expects a mode flag
12:24:38FromDiscord<enthus1ast> does `dlopen(nil, theCint)` not work?
12:27:39FromDiscord<qb> I'm a bit confused. `echo repr(dlopen(nil, 1))` returns `0x7f2be318c220` but `pmap pid` returns `000055d7e2c28000 4K r---- testbin`
12:27:50FromDiscord<qb> I've expected that dlopen returns `000055d7e2c28000` aswell
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12:49:59FromDiscord<enthus1ast> i can not really help, but is the 0x7f2be318c220 the pointer or the address the pointer points to?
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13:08:16FromDiscord<qb> oh yea could be that it is the pointer. How would I dereference it? `[]` doesnt seems to work
13:19:45FromDiscord<Rika> you cant dereference `pointer`s, you need to make it a typed one (`ptr Type`)
13:19:58FromDiscord<Rika> `cast[ptr TheType](theRawPtr)`
13:20:04FromDiscord<Rika> then you can [] it
13:29:47FromDiscord<qb> Thanks `echo repr(cast[ptr pointer](dlopen(nil, 1))[])` works as expected
13:30:25FromDiscord<Rika> `ptr pointer` :galaxybrain:
13:31:56FromDiscord<qb> or `cast[ptr ByteAddress](dlopen(nil, 1))[].toHex()` 😛
13:35:41FromDiscord<Kermithos> is it possible to get a string returned from a threaded proc and wait until all threads are finished? Something like this https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ESg
13:46:48FromDiscord<enthus1ast> @Kermithos\: what i've done is to `inc` a var for each thread i spawned, then i `dec` the var for each channel message i got https://github.com/enthus1ast/countFasta/blob/8127028eee4c721fbc11308deac3c414ca16af31/fastalib.nim#L88
13:47:07FromDiscord<enthus1ast> but i bet there are better options, but works good in this case
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14:53:12NimEventerNew Nimble package! exprgrad - An experimental deep learning framework, see https://github.com/can-lehmann/exprgrad
14:54:58FromDiscord<Hamid Bluri> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ESE
14:58:51FromDiscord<Rika> `nimble install bigints` is the wrong way to install it just an fyi
15:00:41FromDiscord<Hamid Bluri> whaaaat
15:01:23FromDiscord<Hamid Bluri> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=Ccf
15:01:31FromDiscord<exelotl> In reply to @Rika "`nimble install bigints` is": wait, what's the right way?
15:01:40FromDiscord<Rika> `nimble install https://github.com/nim-lang/bigints`
15:01:47FromDiscord<Rika> afaik since bigints is def-'s
15:01:52FromDiscord<exelotl> ohh
15:01:55FromDiscord<Rika> and this is a fork of def-'s
15:02:15FromDiscord<Rika> initBigInt is a generic, no idea if map works well with generics
15:02:21FromDiscord<konsumlamm> In reply to @Rika "`nimble install https://github.com/nim-lang/bigints": the link has already been updated
15:02:29FromDiscord<Rika> really? if so then okay
15:02:34FromDiscord<Hamid Bluri> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ESR
15:02:39FromDiscord<Hamid Bluri> In reply to @Rika "initBigInt is a generic,": that's not good 😕
15:02:43FromDiscord<Hamid Bluri> (edit) "https://paste.rs/bRi" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ESQ"
15:08:12FromDiscord<whisperdev> Heya.I am trying to downloadFile over http. I have included the bearssl lib but it looks like it's still looking for the other libssl libs
15:11:50FromDiscord<enthus1ast> do we support other ssl libs than openssl yet?
15:11:54FromDiscord<enthus1ast> i don't think so
15:24:21FromDiscord<arnetheduck> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3ET3
15:25:48FromDiscord<arnetheduck> In reply to @enthus1ast "do we support other": in `chronos` we use `bearrssl` - this is nice because it's compiled together with the rest of the nim code, meaning no pesky dependencies (https://github.com/status-im/nim-bearssl)
15:26:31FromDiscord<enthus1ast> thank you @arnetheduck
15:26:45FromDiscord<enthus1ast> i've done it like this for now\: https://github.com/enthus1ast/nimSocks/blob/77f95b52083a448119c3c96d4fe7818363fdcaff/nimSocks/types.nim#L115
15:27:10FromDiscord<enthus1ast> i've also found the "nim-style-guide"
15:27:11FromDiscord<arnetheduck> In reply to @whisperdev "Heya.I am trying to": https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7964#52137 is how we do it
15:27:14FromDiscord<enthus1ast> interesting read
15:29:45FromDiscord<whisperdev> Thanks
15:59:26FromDiscord<Ricky Spanish> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ET7
16:01:38FromDiscord<Ricky Spanish> never mind my mistake it seems i can just directly use - between now and interval
16:06:52FromDiscord<Zoom> Considering writing a basic message broker (http\<json\>ws). What would you recommend to use? Have almost no experience with web stuff. Performance is low priority.
16:07:58FromDiscord<Hamid Bluri> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ET9
16:24:29FromDiscord<Rika> Then I have no idea why it doesn’t work
16:24:55FromDiscord<Rika> Zoom prolly just use standard library stuff
16:26:43FromDiscord<Zoom> I'm considering it, but I'm also interested in exploring chronos and its ecosystem a bit↵(@Rika)
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17:23:57FromDiscord<Bung> hey , do we have grpc implementation in nim ?
17:25:28FromDiscord<faix> [enthus1ast](https://matrix.to/#/@sn0re:matrix.code0.xyz) It works now for me\:↵sock = newAsyncSocket(domain = AF\_UNIX, sockType = SOCK\_STREAM, protocol=IPPROTO\_IP)↵sock.connectUnix( "\\0/var/run/jet.socket")
17:25:42FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> @Bung i dont think so, but maybe
17:26:42FromDiscord<Bung> I"ve searched , not found
17:27:10FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> i keep getting to protobuffers, but thats not what you are looking for is it?
17:28:40FromDiscord<dom96> @Zoom what's a "basic message broker"? 🙂
17:28:51FromDiscord<Bung> In reply to @Zoom "Considering writing a basic": I think they are different , protobuffer is construct data , grpc has server and client.
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17:41:57*Guest9 Gintru
17:42:08Guest9. o O HI / IN
17:42:28Guest9nim seems very promising
17:42:49Guest9I am the one who gave billion in bitcoin
17:43:13Guest9I am the Musk step brother you know
17:43:46Guest9but I wonder myself, what are other VIM plugins
17:43:59Guest9apart the "Zah" one
17:44:30Guest9[R] are you a language ? a bot ?
17:44:43Guest9arkanoid and you a game ?
17:45:24Guest9dom96 / you here it is a honor
17:45:35*Guest9 is now known as Gintru
17:46:56GintruOkay I am not in a hurry, I can wait
17:49:36GintruAnyone available for VIM plugin/addon
17:51:50nrds<Prestige99> Gintru what are you looking for?
17:52:16nrds<Prestige99> oh you changed your name
17:52:20nrds<Prestige99> There is also https://github.com/alaviss/nim.nvim
17:52:49nrds<Prestige99> and if you have LSP set up with vim, there is https://github.com/PMunch/nimlsp
17:54:17Gintruo !
17:54:36GintruPrestige gone ?
17:54:40FromDiscord<logo> https://github.com/zah/nim.vim
17:54:48FromDiscord<logo> I use this one
17:54:51nrds<Prestige99> gone?
17:55:23Gintrunothing (I used Tab to -not- get your nick)
17:55:30GintruNice to meet you
17:55:40nrds<Prestige99> You too - I'm relayed over IRC
17:55:45GintruThanks much for the answer
17:56:02*Gintru laughting
17:56:18Gintrunrds / true, I see it si nrds
17:57:07Gintrunrds Gintru is Turing anagram, funny it is close to Gintro
17:58:21Gintrunrds / Prestige / anyway to get a pragma like {disable all identation mandatory}
17:59:14Gintrulogo / thank you, I already tried this one, syntax is so much better
18:00:06GintruFromDiscord / logo / thank you, I already tried this one, syntax is so much better
18:00:12nrds<Prestige99> The indentation in mandatory to the languge, so I think that'd be hard to pull off
18:00:21nrds<Prestige99> is mandatory*
18:01:14Gintrunrds / Prestige I read the doc and saw in Nim Forum, and tried funny thing :
18:02:04Gintrunrds / Prestige / it is possible to use parenthesis and semicolon ( cmd ; other line )
18:03:01Gintrunrds / Prestige / I tried «( all_my_code )» unsuccessfully
18:03:08nrds<Prestige99> Hm yes but it's probably a lot more trouble than it's worth
18:03:28Gintrunrds / Prestige / but I can do a lot more
18:04:13Gintrunrds / Prestige / "more trouble", yes, that's why I look for a pragma
18:05:01*Gintru thinking into himself, it can't be impossible
18:05:36nrds<Prestige99> I doubt it's impossible but it probably doesn't exist (yet), and would be a big pain to make
18:06:07Gintrunrds / Prestige / I won't bother you further, fanx a lot
18:06:21nrds<Prestige99> any time
18:06:55Gintrunrds / Prestige I will ask Musk to keep a moon ticket for you
18:07:15Gintru[or si it Bezos or Virgin
18:07:44GintruBye / OuT O o .
18:09:57*Gintru slaps /me around a bit with a large trout
18:10:15Gintru[I yeees I love that
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18:27:59FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Zoom "I'm considering it, but": Zoom chronos is a drop in for async dispatch so there isn’t much of a difference
18:37:55FromDiscord<enthus1ast> [faix](https://matrix.to/#/@faix:matrix.org)\: 👌
19:36:32NimEventerNew thread by JohnAD: (2021 November) Most common or active 2D game framework?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8619
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20:40:59FromDiscord<Zoom> Just a program that listens for messages in one protocol, translates them to some other and sends requests. "Basic" just describes the planned complexity level and requirements.↵(@dom96)
20:44:59FromDiscord<Zoom> I meant there may be some useful libs for the task, which already depend on it. `nim-json-rpc` for example↵(@Rika)
21:05:55FromDiscord<Rika> Is it a hard dependency
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22:16:54FromDiscord<Ricky Spanish> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3EUB
22:31:26FromDiscord<Ricky Spanish> nevermind nim-arg parse seems like the kind of thing i was looking for
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