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| 01:44:11 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @rainote "I assume the lsp": Moreso Nim tooling just doesn't get as much TLC as other languages |
| 01:44:35 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> It's still usable, just expect a few quirks and try and look past them :P |
| 01:55:32 | FromDiscord | <rainote> Well it's not necessarily quirks but the ability to crash it fairly easily <:Kelly_think_FB:802706466292367370> |
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| 02:24:48 | FromDiscord | <bostonboston> The lsp is being actively developed, be sure to make issues for things you encounter and everyone can profit |
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| 03:22:16 | FromDiscord | <janakali> I find lsp (nimlangserver) harder to crash in `checkOnSave` mode |
| 03:24:25 | FromDiscord | <janakali> but I have a problem recently that lsp in Neovim refuses to show diagnostics inside projects in this mode. It only works with single files without .nimble . |
| 03:25:19 | FromDiscord | <janakali> I know it's not langserver bug, because it's same for nimls |
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| 03:32:30 | FromDiscord | <janakali> it's really annoying and I've been trying to find what's the problem for a couple weeks already |
| 04:01:16 | FromDiscord | <saemideluxe> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=waGziwzz |
| 04:03:07 | FromDiscord | <saemideluxe> For now I installed futhark system-wide, which works fine. But I still wonder what I am missing here. |
| 04:06:05 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I imagine it's just a case the nimble never checks for bins in local deps, but idk |
| 04:07:36 | FromDiscord | <saemideluxe> But in any `gorgeEx` should be using the current env, right? Which in turn would use the current `$PATH`. |
| 04:11:17 | FromDiscord | <saemideluxe> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=sbSZbHbU |
| 04:11:40 | FromDiscord | <saemideluxe> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=AfbksuQE" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=eGiEbYDE" |
| 05:58:57 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> try recompiling with `-f`? |
| 06:01:53 | FromDiscord | <saemideluxe> Same result. |
| 06:25:26 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> ok, reproduced it. it works if you use the full path to nimbledeps/bin, e.g. (excuse my fish syntax) `PATH="$PATH:$(pwd)/nimbledeps/bin"` |
| 06:37:04 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> alternatively, `../../bin`. gorgeEx uses the directory containing the module that calls it as pwd |
| 06:49:03 | FromDiscord | <saemideluxe> Oh I see. Yeah, it makes total sense, the path is relative to the module, not to `$PWD`. I remember that I actually rely on this behavior of `gorgeEx` in another project.. Thank you very much for your help! |
| 06:49:27 | FromDiscord | <saemideluxe> I thought I actually tried using $PWD, but must have forgotten a `/` or something. |
| 06:55:10 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> as an aside, there's `nimble shell` which "Creates a new shell with PATH modified to contain the bin folders of the dependencies", which might be a little more elegant than doing it manually |
| 07:01:18 | FromDiscord | <threefour> On the now passed topic of nimlangserver, is it just my setup, or is it really slow? Sometimes I have to wait upwards of 6-7 seconds for completions to pop up. My setup has fairly instant completions for Go, Rust, Python, JS, TS, pretty much everything but Nim. |
| 07:04:26 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> I get similar wait times on my ~1500 LOC project |
| 07:06:27 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> With nimlsp on my project it's pretty much instant |
| 07:06:30 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> But nimlangserver seems to crash so.... |
| 07:06:35 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Cannot say much there 😄 |
| 07:07:00 | FromDiscord | <saemideluxe> I had performance issues as well, when using nim lsp with "larger" projects (a few 1000 LOC). |
| 07:07:01 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> wait time = startup time; once it's started up completions are pretty quick |
| 07:07:57 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Well it does have to compile the project first, so a small period to do that is expected on startup |
| 07:09:45 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Ah it wasn't crashy, just with nimlangserver it does not work with Kate and it opens up a nimsuggest per file |
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| 08:32:55 | FromDiscord | <saemideluxe> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Ah it wasn't crashy,": My memory came to it's limit because of all those nimsuggests. I am not sure if that is a nimlangserver issue or if it is in general with langservers. Or maybe a bad configuration of neovim?↵So, for now, I have stopped using lsps for, as I felt that it had produces unnecessary friction too many times (e.g. with Python I also had issues with version issues and the langserver not find |
| 08:40:55 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> In reply to @saemideluxe "My memory came to": could that be the classic https://github.com/nim-lang/choosenim/issues/13? |
| 08:41:02 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> (edit) "https://github.com/nim-lang/choosenim/issues/13?" => "https://github.com/nim-lang/choosenim/issues/13 ?" |
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| 08:46:46 | FromDiscord | <saemideluxe> In reply to @lainlaylie "could that be the": Yep, sounds pretty much like it. If I remember correctly, the nimsuggest processes were around even after closing all editor instances. |
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| 09:00:39 | FromDiscord | <michael.lenz.> In reply to @saemideluxe "Yep, sounds pretty much": I have zombie processes too. This is probably due to restart of nimlangserver by vscode. |
| 09:04:00 | FromDiscord | <michael.lenz.> I have not tried it yet , https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003530/371759389889003532/1324712756368379934 |
| 09:09:48 | FromDiscord | <saemideluxe> Yay! Only just now noticed that Nim manual now shows search results at fixed position instead of top-of-page. Great, that has annoyed me more than one time in the past 😄 |
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| 09:44:08 | FromDiscord | <odexine> I got used to it so I still scroll up when I search |
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| 09:58:49 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @rainote "Well it's not necessarily": Are you using nim-lang.org's lsp? |
| 09:58:58 | FromDiscord | <jmgomez> In reply to @janakali "it's really annoying and": fwiw we integrated `nim check` into the lsp so `nimsuggest chk` shouldnt causes more crashes. Also `nimble` and `nims` files are fully supported. A new version will be released soon |
| 09:59:10 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> it's gotten better with not constantly crashing from my experience |
| 09:59:36 | FromDiscord | <jmgomez> (edit) "causes" => "cause" |
| 10:00:08 | FromDiscord | <rainote> In reply to @battery.acid.bubblegum "Are you using nim-lang.org's": yes |
| 10:00:48 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> hm, wonder why you're crashing a lot then... |
| 10:00:53 | FromDiscord | <rainote> had one segfault and multiple ``failed with <empty>`` and some other interesting messages :catderp: |
| 10:01:24 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> ...huh |
| 10:01:41 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> i haven't experienced the latter, and the former hasn't happened in a while, for me |
| 10:02:14 | FromDiscord | <jmgomez> In reply to @rainote "had one segfault and": likely a `nimsuggest` crash, report the issue in the `nim` repo with a small repro if possible |
| 12:19:44 | FromDiscord | <myxi> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=ElIoDZBu |
| 12:20:12 | FromDiscord | <myxi> i want --version cli flag of my app and the the version in the .nimble file to be sync |
| 12:21:05 | FromDiscord | <myxi> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=jYCcNaMA" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=xNkUYPXr" |
| 12:37:03 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> Some prefer to keep `version` in your nimble file as a string literal and then parse it out statically, e.g. https://github.com/nim-lang/langserver/blob/5adc15be0f785f0caa3b7fc444e54eeb5596602a/ls.nim#L26 |
| 12:37:38 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> (edit) "your" => "the" |
| 12:39:53 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> An alternative is to use the `-d:NimblePkgVersion` that gets set when building via nimble, but naturally that won't work when building directly via `nim c` |
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| 14:41:10 | FromDiscord | <threefour> In reply to @saemideluxe "I had performance issues": Yeah see this is even with brand new, literally >100 LoC projetcs. It could be my setup. Does anyone else use Emacs? |
| 14:42:38 | FromDiscord | <threefour> (edit) ">100" => "<100" |
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| 18:32:31 | FromDiscord | <ruehc> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/kAZMuYNX |
| 19:13:59 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @ruehc "if i use ": yes, it compiles to c and then uses gcc to compile that c |
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| 19:39:39 | FromDiscord | <ruehc> In reply to @nnsee "yes, it compiles to": what if i want to compile directly to llvm ? |
| 19:43:05 | FromDiscord | <fabric.input_output> In reply to @ruehc "what if i want": there's nlvm, a fork that does that |
| 19:43:25 | FromDiscord | <fabric.input_output> or you could compile the generated C into llvm |
| 19:43:35 | FromDiscord | <fabric.input_output> but that's not really directly |
| 19:43:43 | FromDiscord | <ruehc> i don't want to use any c |
| 19:44:26 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> In reply to @ruehc "i don't want to": In what way do you mean this? Not have to write C? Not have to use any C compilation? |
| 19:44:27 | Amun-Ra | switch to C++ backend |
| 19:45:53 | FromDiscord | <ruehc> In reply to @nervecenter "In what way do": yes |
| 19:46:03 | FromDiscord | <ruehc> i want llvm or assembly |
| 19:46:36 | Amun-Ra | you don't have to touch neither C nor C++ code when using given backend |
| 19:46:54 | Amun-Ra | if you're still allergic to C and C++, nim probably isn't for you |
| 19:47:42 | FromDiscord | <ruehc> i see |
| 19:53:21 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> In reply to @ruehc "i want llvm or": What Anum-Ra said, you do not need to write an C. But Nim compiles to it, and does not, by default, have any other intermediate layer. You must always have a C, C++, or Objective-C compiler handy if you are compiling a native Nim executable. Even when interfacing to C libraries, you should not need to write C, as writing FFI code and linking to C libraries is fairly painless. |
| 19:53:56 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> Also the C that the Nim compiler produces is not at all meant to be human readable. |
| 19:54:30 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> (edit) "an" => "any" |
| 19:54:42 | Amun-Ra | treat it just like llvm's IR code |
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| 20:07:11 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> Nim 3 might be able to compile to x86_64 assembly without generating C as Nifc can do so. |
| 20:25:49 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> I don't think that's gonna happen tbh↵(@demotomohiro) |
| 20:26:12 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> It'll be possible but I don't think Araq plans on making an amd64 backend |
| 20:26:14 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Ig it is a possibility tho |
| 20:27:50 | FromDiscord | <pmunch> Does anyone know of a way to figure out which module would be imported by a `import x` if you where only given `x` in a macro` |
| 20:27:54 | FromDiscord | <pmunch> (edit) "macro`" => "macro?" |
| 20:28:52 | FromDiscord | <pmunch> Like I have a macro `findModule` and somehow `findModule(strutils)` would give me either the path to the module or something like that? |
| 20:40:27 | FromDiscord | <pmunch> One option would of course be to use `std/compilesettings` to get the search and Nimble paths and then go looking myself.. |
| 20:40:36 | FromDiscord | <pmunch> But that's a bit.. manual |
| 20:59:30 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> Hi everyone. Can a Nimble package have a `.` in its name? If not, what is the recommended separator? `-` seems to be bleh |
| 21:06:20 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> Guessing `_` |
| 21:06:48 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> yeah `_` is pretty common, `snake_case` is an alternative style for Nim code |
| 21:06:59 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> `-` is the domain of Lisp |
| 21:07:26 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> thought for packages... |
| 21:07:29 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> (edit) "thought" => "though" |
| 21:07:56 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> https://github.com/ringabout/awesome-nim |
| 21:08:12 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> some have hyphens but not all, most jam the words together with no punctuation |
| 21:08:38 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> nimble seems to complain about hyphen |
| 21:08:49 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> the git repo name is different from what the `.nimble` file can be called |
| 21:35:32 | FromDiscord | <SmaamX> Any person who worked with naylib/raylib and knows it? ↵I'm a beginner and I dont know and dont have any idea how to draw a wall and repeat it (for example, the texture can be repeated for a specific size and be in a specific location) |
| 21:36:59 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> Hrm... that Nim forum seems to be broken ("Couldn't send to e-mail" for account creation) |
| 21:36:59 | FromDiscord | <SmaamX> Any person who worked with naylib/raylib and knows it? ↵I'm a beginner and I dont know and dont have any idea how to draw a wall and repeat it (for example, the texture can be repeated for a specific size and be in a specific location) plus Idk anything about game save on raylib |
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