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04:03:29leorizeAraq: will there be any plans to add destructors to stdlib?
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06:11:02Araqleorize: if you mean to close files automatically and stuff, yes
06:11:29leorize[m]nice :D
06:12:43leorizeAraq: is there any more information about the revert to `=move`? I'm having a destructor-based lib here and I'd like to update it for the `=move` change
06:14:53AraqI'll gist an example, stay tuned
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06:56:32Araqleorize: https://gist.github.com/Araq/d7771b542ec759d664f2be65b107d4ec
06:57:21Araqis the idea, notice how we'll define nimOpMove when this change landed into devel
06:58:20leorizenice, thanks!
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07:03:13Araqit's all your fault btw :P
07:03:32Araqmost people don't self-assign ;-)
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07:05:25Zevvthey say you can go blind from that
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07:08:56narimiranZevv: watch your mouth, we might have a minor here! (until leorize shows us his birth certificate)
07:09:13ZevvI suspect he's at least 56
07:09:21narimirankilograms?
07:09:31Zevvhehe
07:10:02leorizedid I miss smt? :p
07:10:28narimiranwell lots of things happenend in '90s
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07:11:44Zevvoooh
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07:17:46leorizeanw, how has the new indent script work for you, narimiran Zevv?
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07:18:18leorizeI'm done w the school stuff and fixed all the bugs that I found
07:18:58leorizeif there aren't any bugs I'd consider merging it to master
07:19:01narimiranleorize: quite well. i know there were some things that work better now than before, regarding pressing enter and then being at wrong/right indentation level
07:19:31narimiranespecially when you have a proc definition spanning multiple lines, and then starting proc body
07:20:28leorizeyea :) that's the motivation behind this change
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07:24:09Zevvleorize: fine for me, when I remember to update all my machines :)
07:24:34leorizegreat! I'm gonna merge this then
07:24:42leorizedon't know if I should create a new demo :p
07:25:12leorizeI need to know what VSC plugin can do regarding indent :p
07:25:39ZevvI'm very happy that the indending also works for good-ol'e-vim
07:26:15leorizeonly the nimsuggest part of the plugin is neovim-only :)
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07:28:07leorizemaybe in the future I'd consider writing an adapter layer for vim support
07:28:38leorizebut then I can't do semantic highlighting
07:28:53leorizeand code will be mostly black & white
07:30:29ZevvI'd be happy as a toddler with a robust jump-to-definition
07:30:41Zevvand I don't do syntax highlighting anyway :)
07:31:03narimiranZevv: jump to definition works in neovim just fine :)
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07:31:49ZevvYeah I know. I tried to switch to neovim a few times, but its a pain because of the number of different machines and distros I run on
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07:32:08ZevvI'm stuck with gnu screen and vim and bash for the rest of my days
07:32:20Zevvno termux and neovim and zsh for me :(
07:33:53leorize[m]a major problem with providing vim support is the huge degree of compile-time customization in vim
07:34:05leorize[m]littering my code with if has() is not a fun thing
07:34:27ZevvYeah I know, i made some plugins once, and its a terrible environment anyway. Nimscript is hilarious
07:34:42ZevvOoops. Vimscript :)
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07:34:59leorize[m]you mean vimscript :p
07:48:27PMunchIs there a way to have a template accept varargs, then handle the first specially and pass the rest to a procedure?
07:49:59leorizetemplate can't iterate through varargs iirc
07:50:49PMunchHmm, I guess I could do it with a macro..
07:51:07PMunchOr maybe I can't..
07:51:25PMunchBasically what I'm trying to do is create some practical aliases for the karax DSL
07:52:19PMunchI've created one named "cdiv" which just takes a string and creates a "tdiv(class=<the string>)" so that I can do "cool classes".cdiv
07:52:24PMunchMakes it a bit easier to read
07:52:44PMunchBut I would love to be able to do "cool classes".cdiv(id="myID")
07:53:01PMunchie. be able to pass more arguments that would get added to the tdiv call
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08:26:48PMunchHmm, I'm really not sure how to sideload the CodeMirror code editor into a Karax application..
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08:28:32leorizePMunch: https://github.com/pragmagic/karax/blob/1ccd8b1c16a9be7277e28d15103695352feb5a4f/experiments/echartstest.nim
08:28:46leorizeand https://github.com/pragmagic/karax/blob/master/experiments/nativenodes.nim
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08:33:20PMunchOooh interesting
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08:37:21FromGitter<alehander42> ohh i tried to do this with monaco
08:37:32FromGitter<alehander42> but have to see what did i do finaly
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08:38:02FromGitter<alehander42> i think the interesting question is how to hook updates to it to the normal redraw mechanism
08:38:35FromGitter<alehander42> i just used normal imperative updates on the editor element invoked from my VNode procs
08:38:41FromGitter<alehander42> but not sure if this was the best way
08:40:58FromGitter<alehander42> stefanpalaru: you can run this test under rr if you use linux
08:41:32FromGitter<alehander42> this way you can replay the same program run under gdb interface how many times you need
08:43:26FromGitter<mratsim> @deech: thoughts on https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/11235#issuecomment-492145712? I think your let exportc fix fixes #9366 not #9365
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08:52:23PMunchHmm, I'm having some trouble creating a JS object to pass to an imported procedure
08:53:13PMunchThe call I want to do is something like this: http://ix.io/1J0m/javascript
08:53:29PMunch(Note that it's a JavaScript object, and not a JSON object)
08:54:19leorizeisn't json just javascript way of writing object? :p
08:54:32FromGitter<alehander42> ohh you need to just use `js{}`
08:54:55FromGitter<alehander42> you're entering my world PMunch
08:55:23FromGitter<alehander42> js backend is fun again
08:55:54leorizeiiuc, the vnodeToDom() is used to avoid the need of `getElementById`
08:56:02leorizebut I might be wrong :p
08:56:33AraqvnodeToDom() is only because karax's DSL creates VNodes
08:56:48Araqthe important thing is the dthunk() call
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08:57:47leorizeiiuc, the idea is that you'll get a dom object that could be passed directly to some external code for manipulation, right?
08:58:19FromGitter<alehander42> PMunch, i i am trying to load monaco editor in a browser page and i have some different issues: do you load codemirror just by a script tag, or do you use amd loading etc
08:59:08PMunchalehander42, take a look at play.nim-lang.org that's what I'm trying to do
08:59:49FromGitter<alehander42> i know, what i am wondering is if you had to solve the same issue
09:00:05FromGitter<alehander42> hm yeah i can take a look at the current hml
09:01:40FromGitter<alehander42> yeah it seems you directly paste it in a script tag, i cant do that with monaco
09:03:22Araqleorize: it is also a (virtual) node that karax doesn't even attempt to mess with
09:03:36Araqwhich really helps if that node has some state in it
09:04:20PMunchHmm, got it almost working. I had imported the call wrong, so it didn't add all my arguments -_-
09:08:59PMunchGot it now, was just missing some .kstring
09:10:09leorizedo you know that karax has a `&` operator for cstring conversion? :p
09:10:34leorizefor my project I change it into `$!` though
09:14:05Araqinteresting
09:14:09Araqmight adopt that
09:18:47PMunchHmm, some of this broke my cdiv template though..
09:19:01PMunchleorize, I did not know that
09:19:13PMunchStrange choice seeing how & is string concatenation
09:19:28leorizeand it conflicts with strformat if you use it
09:19:29PMunch$! is better IMO (albeit a bit more typing of strange characters)
09:19:43Araqit predates strformat
09:20:06narimiranand don't import hashes if you want to use `$!` ;)
09:20:14Araqbut you can easily do import jstrutils except `&`
09:21:17leorizeI never have to do so though
09:21:25PMunchAh, it appears that it is the import of kdom that does it..
09:21:28leorizenarimiran: I thought hashes was `!$`?
09:21:55narimiranleorize: and you're right :)
09:23:15PMunchThe error I get: http://ix.io/1J0u/
09:23:37PMunchvs. the template I try to use http://ix.io/1J0v/Nim
09:25:49Araqthe 'hashes' operators are stupid tbh
09:26:59PMunchRather annoying, as it turns this: http://ix.io/1J0w/Nim into this: http://ix.io/1J0x/Nim which is quite an improvement
09:33:33PMunchNothing a little macro magic can't fix http://ix.io/1J0y/Nim and now it adds extra arguments as well :)
09:35:10leorizeI wonder if you could just emit tdiv as nnkIndent and omit buildHtml
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10:05:24FromGitter<mratsim> I agree, why did we need operators for that? can't we deprecate those and use "mix" instead
10:07:36Araqsure but we can also work on making closures with the new runtime
10:08:18Araqbut ok, somebody from #nim should do it, we can fight over the names in the PR process
10:08:53Araqhttps://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/7301 so ... I can use my package manager (brew) to install gcc 4.1.2 to investigate this problem, right?
10:09:13Araqwhom am I kidding... I won't even try
10:13:41FromGitter<jrfondren> even CentOS6 has 4.4.7 as the standard gcc.
10:14:23FromGitter<jrfondren> CentOS5 end-of-life was in 2007
10:19:22leorizeshashlick: when `{.header.}` is used in nimterop, can you make it add `{.importc.}` to structures as well?
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10:35:26PMunchleorize, it seems to rewrite something before the macro is called, so not entirely sure
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10:47:45FromGitter<alehander42> pmunch its a bit werid
10:47:50FromGitter<alehander42> your dsl
10:47:57FromGitter<alehander42> because usually `.name` is the class name
10:48:02FromGitter<alehander42> and here they are reversed
10:48:50FromGitter<alehander42> i wonder if you can do e.g. cdiv.a.b.(id="c")
10:49:03FromGitter<alehander42> similar to haml
10:49:37FromGitter<alehander42> if one can do *
10:50:28FromGitter<alehander42> or even something like .a.b, but the last one is probably invalid syntax
10:54:47Araqyes
10:57:40PMunchalehander42, yeah I was thinking about something like that
10:57:59PMunchBut as a quick and dirty thing this works fine
10:58:47FromGitter<alehander42> hm, for my backend i've managed to make a karax-based static template loader
10:59:03PMunchThe thing is that "div" doesn't actually carry any information. They're so heavily styled these days that one div can behave completely different from another. By flipping the classes first and just postfixing it with "make this a div" it's much easier to see what actually matters, the class.
10:59:32FromGitter<alehander42> it reads local variables from the action automatically and its read froma file on build time, i wonder if thats an usual approach
11:00:04FromGitter<jrfondren> aye, in Mithril a bare `m(".someclass", ...)` creates a `<div class=someclass>...</div>`
11:00:18FromGitter<alehander42> yes, i guess that's why in haml you usually can directly `.<name> etc`, but on the other hand if you do use a different tag, this has to show intent
11:00:28FromGitter<alehander42> so it's still good to make it first in those cases
11:00:40FromGitter<alehander42> so that's why i find haml's api very good
11:00:53FromGitter<alehander42> but you might be right, it's subjective
11:01:33FromGitter<alehander42> you can even make tdiv#id in nim if you process the comments in the macro
11:01:35FromGitter<alehander42> :P
11:02:22Araqyou can't do that, the "comment in the AST" changes have been abandoned
11:02:28FromGitter<alehander42> ahh
11:02:30Araqtoo much effort for too little gain
11:02:38Araqmaybe for Nim v2
11:02:40Araqbbl
11:03:20FromGitter<alehander42> yeah, makes sense
11:03:29FromGitter<jrfondren> what I really liked about mithril is that the vDOM constructor uses CSS syntax. so `m("span.someclass", ...)` for `<span class=someclass>...</span>`, no harder even though div is the default. or `m("input[type='checkbox']")`
11:04:45FromGitter<alehander42> that's exactly what haml does as wel
11:04:56FromGitter<alehander42> but without need for `m(..)`
11:05:05FromGitter<alehander42> not sure about input[type=..] tho
11:05:54PMunchHmm, that is actually pretty cool
11:06:18PMunchMakes it super easy to match your code to your CSS at least
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11:10:46FromGitter<alehander42> another point where pmunch solution is better is dynamic classes
11:11:21FromGitter<alehander42> but you can still tdiv.a.cl("bdfgdfg").c: but
11:11:31FromGitter<alehander42> i guess it's less clean that the pure string thing
11:11:53FromGitter<alehander42> i like `.a` compared to "a" because it seems like a class "literal" tho, not just a string literal
11:11:59FromGitter<alehander42> but this is bikeshedding
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11:23:05FromGitter<alehander42> Araq, btw
11:23:14FromGitter<alehander42> top level if: .. proc require(..)
11:23:32PMunchWorking with this I feel like there is the possibility to make some cool library for generating this HTML
11:23:52FromGitter<alehander42> does this makes sense in the js backend
11:24:00FromGitter<alehander42> in the js backend generates directly function require
11:24:32FromGitter<alehander42> PMunch the easy thing is to use different symbols, which can work as infix and prefix symbols both
11:24:50FromGitter<alehander42> so it would be easy to have @id[typ=..] etc
11:25:03FromGitter<alehander42> but it would be hard to reuse # and .
11:27:07FromGitter<jrfondren> @alehander42 it wouldn't matter to JS if the function bodies were put in the if(){} vs. placed ahead of them in the output, since if(){} doesn't introduce a new scope in JS (without `let` anyway)
11:27:22FromGitter<alehander42> ah ok
11:27:31FromGitter<alehander42> yeah i am gonna just use something else
11:28:07FromGitter<jrfondren> if you've seen older style JS it's all anonymous functions that are immediately invoked, just to get a scope. (function() { ... })()
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11:49:16FromGitter<alehander42> yeah, i think i've seen that, but not really thinking a lot about it
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12:24:24shashlick@leorize nimterop should always be adding importc
12:26:45leorize[m]the kmod wrapper only have bycopy attached actually
12:30:08PMunchHmm, doesn't kajax work? "../karax/karax/kajax.nim(47, 35) Error: undeclared identifier: 'File'"
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12:41:17shashlickI think I skip for simple struct
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12:45:45PMunchHmm, the devel version I had lying about worked
12:45:48PMunchBut not 0.19.6
12:45:54PMunchEven though it was older
12:46:01PMunchTrying to update devel now
12:46:50Araqouch, apparently only Nim devel has dom.File
12:47:38PMunchYeah, devel still works
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12:51:55PMunchIs there a way to add a class no a VNode in Karax?
12:52:10PMunchI have a callback on a button, and I want to add a class to that button
12:55:08Araqthere is not "that button", it's re-created when you click on the button. the VNodes are stateless
12:56:52FromGitter<alehander42> so basically you just have to change your state in the callback
12:57:42FromGitter<alehander42> araq, what do you think of "lifetime hooks", e.g. onInit, beforeRender, afterRender, onRemove etc in karax
12:58:01FromGitter<alehander42> those are usually parts of components and i usually use just functions generating VNode
12:58:14FromGitter<alehander42> so not sure if they can be a good fit
13:00:27PMunchYeah I realized
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13:01:02FromGitter<alehander42> sorry, i was also trying to reword it for myself, as i still forget the idea
13:01:28FromGitter<alehander42> hm, has anybody used mjs modules
13:12:57PMunch!eval echo NimVersion
13:12:58NimBot0.19.6
13:13:03PMunchJust FYI
13:13:08narimiranPMunch: nice :)
13:13:32PMunchHmm, I should really make that a cron-job..
13:13:43FromGitter<alehander42> did it get released?
13:13:51FromGitter<alehander42> hm i didnt see a post
13:14:05PMunchhttps://nim-lang.org/blog/2019/05/13/version-0196-released.html
13:14:16federico3ooh
13:15:09FromGitter<alehander42> nice
13:19:19PMunchThere, now it should try to update at 3AM every day to the docker image tagged latest
13:19:54FromGitter<alehander42> where are the docker images hosted
13:20:01FromGitter<alehander42> the official ones?
13:21:47PMunchhttps://hub.docker.com/r/nimlang/nim
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13:54:13PMunchHmm, is there a way to use the JavaScript replace method with a regex from Nim?
13:54:55PMunchBasically need to do this in Nim: http://ix.io/1J1t/Nim
13:56:45FromGitter<alehander42> you can just split it maybe
13:56:56FromGitter<alehander42> but otherwise i think i just wrap the javascript regexp
13:57:06FromGitter<alehander42> `proc regex*(a: cstring): js {.importcpp: "new RegExp(#, 'g')", noSideEffect.}`
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13:58:54FromGitter<alehander42> i think this should work but it might have escape problems
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14:02:21vivus@jrfondren hello. Is it possible to index through the parsecsv rows without running a loop through all of them?
14:07:30PMunchHmm, text in karax seems to escape html, can I add html from a string?
14:08:45FromGitter<alehander42> verbatim ?
14:08:48FromGitter<alehander42> or something like that
14:09:21FromGitter<jrfondren> @vivus, not without creating the index yourself, or using something other than a csv. each row is indefinite-length after all.
14:10:14FromGitter<jrfondren> @vivus, and rather than create an index, I'd think seriously about just shoving the csv into a sqlite database.
14:10:49vivus@jrfondren based on the amount of loops I have to do between 2 CSV files, I am thinking that might be the best solution
14:11:44FromGitter<jrfondren> if it's about avoiding lots of iterations instead of avoiding a single iteration, another thing you could do is just slurp the csv's rows into an array.
14:12:06PMunchalehander42, ah sweet
14:12:12PMunchThat works :)
14:12:17vivushow big would a 600MB file become in an array? @jrfondren
14:12:24FromGitter<jrfondren> whatever path you take the first step is going to be to change your data structure.
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14:12:51FromGitter<jrfondren> @vivus, the overhead'd depend on how many lines are in the file.
14:13:00FromGitter<jrfondren> @vivus, if you have a few gigs, just read it and see
14:13:52FromGitter<jrfondren> what operation are you trying to do with those two CSV files?
14:14:05livcdPMunch: what are you writing ? I am super interested in your adventure with karax
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14:14:51PMunchlivcd, I'm rewriting the playground front-end in karax :)
14:15:04PMunchMostly to teach me how to use it, I'm going to use it for some work stuff as well
14:15:05vivus@jrfondren the first CSV file has each line containing: ID, language, string ... the second CSV has: ID1, ID2 (which maps each translation to the other)
14:15:26PMunchAnd when the playground frontend is done I'll write a blog post about my experiences with Karax
14:15:30narimiranPMunch: make that a blogpost/article and you'll teach others too
14:15:34narimiranha, ahead of me
14:15:43FromGitter<jrfondren> @vivus, so that second CSV would probably make a pretty small table
14:16:11vivus@jrfondren that CSV file is is 240MB
14:16:13PMunchnarimiran, yeah I've been taking mental notes all day :)
14:16:37PMunchBut I'm off now
14:16:44PMunchGot a puzzle pint to catch
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14:16:49FromGitter<jrfondren> @vivus, numbers tend take up more space in ASCII than they do in memory though.
14:16:57FromGitter<jrfondren> depends on the range of your IDs.
14:17:01livcdcool
14:17:30FromGitter<jrfondren> anyway that's another option: transform the second csv so that you can go iterate a single pass through the first csv.
14:17:44vivus@jrfondren so I should put everything from the 2nd CSV into an array?
14:18:20FromGitter<jrfondren> if you need to look up ID1s at random to get ID2s, a table would probably be better
14:18:56FromGitter<jrfondren> https://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/tables.html <- one of these
14:21:26clyybberAraq: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/11248 =sink -> =move is up
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14:22:09FromGitter<gogolxdong> How do you use verbatim?
14:24:41clyybberPMunch: Thank you for setting up the devel docker images, finally the days of building in CI are gone. Thanks \o/
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14:28:27shashlickIs that the latest tag? How often is it updated?
14:28:37shashlickI plan on adding nightlies to choosenim
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14:31:11FromGitter<gogolxdong> verbatim works on js backend, needs tuned for static html generating.
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14:37:43FromGitter<alehander42> hmm doesnt it work for static html?
14:39:29FromGitter<gogolxdong> It doesn't based on my limited experience.
14:41:36FromGitter<gogolxdong> ```let content = buildHtml(tdiv): ⏎ verbatim "https://www.google.com" ⏎ echo $content``` ⏎ ⏎ <div><#verbatim /></div> [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5cdad3a0da34620ff93e1288]
14:50:40FromGitter<alehander42> seems like a bug indeed
14:52:44FromGitter<alehander42> ahh yeah i have a patch in my karax
14:52:49FromGitter<alehander42> in vdom toString
14:53:07FromGitter<alehander42> after if n.kind == .. ⏎ ⏎ `````` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5cdad652f52a2375162ede52]
14:53:19FromGitter<alehander42> somebody should open a PR
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14:54:12FromGitter<alehander42> for vdom.nim
14:54:28FromGitter<gogolxdong> good, you can open a PR
14:55:02FromGitter<alehander42> yeah, i ll try to do that later
14:55:31FromGitter<alehander42> trying to fix my app yet
14:57:56federico3https://mastodon.social/@nimbot/102094986038781379
14:59:36dom96!eval echo("That's my name!")
14:59:38NimBotThat's my name!
15:02:47FromGitter<gogolxdong> at line 383, ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5cdad8970824230a7733bccd]
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15:14:07dom96So the forum is on HN front page
15:14:08dom96And it's running beautifully
15:19:55livcddom96: wait what which one ?
15:20:02narimiranhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19897044
15:20:07livcdahh
15:22:03livcddom96: aahh i finally got the connection
15:22:07livcdjesus i am so slow
15:22:08dom96also, big thanks to the HN mods for reviving this
15:22:24FromGitter<jrfondren> reviving it?
15:22:37livcdyou were just saying that it can withstand HN's hug of death
15:22:39FromGitter<jrfondren> ah it's 10 hours old.
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15:27:24Zevvreviving?
15:27:57livcdmaybe reviewing ?
15:28:37ZevvMaybe it didnt make it to the front page and they nudget it a bit
15:28:47Zevvhow much did you pay for that dom96
15:28:49poopBotcould not load: libssl.so(.45|.1.1|.38|.39|.41|.43|.10|.1.0.2|.1.0.1|.1.0.0|.0.9.9|.0.9.8|)
15:28:49poopBotcompile with -d:nimDebugDlOpen for more information
15:28:50poopBot[[email protected] ~]$ xbps-query -R -s libssl
15:28:50poopBot[*] libssl46-2.8.3_2 Version of the TLS/crypto stack forked from OpenSSL - SSL/TLS library
15:28:50poopBot[-] libssl47-2.9.1_1 Version of the TLS/crypto stack forked from OpenSSL - SSL/TLS library
15:28:57poopBotnoooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
15:29:20dom96Zevv: that is indeed what they did
15:29:33dom96Nothing. They do that to posts they think should get to the front page :)
15:29:39dom96or maybe the author of the post contacted them
15:30:23dom96poopBot: lol
15:30:49poopBotcan i just ln it and hope it dosent notice diffrence betwin 46 and 45
15:34:01poopBotit worked
15:36:19FromDiscord<treeform> poopBot, what did you do? I hate these libssl issues.
15:36:45FromGitter<jrfondren> he altered his OS to pretend to have a .45 version of the libssl.so locally
15:36:59poopBotsudo ln -s libssl.so.46 libssl.so.45 just simobolic linked it
15:37:09FromGitter<jrfondren> you could go the other way and edit the library to refer to the versions that are available
15:37:16federico3we need to add .46
15:37:52poopBotok so to get latest version of nim
15:38:09poopBot choosenim #head /home/me/Documents/Apps/Nim devel << dosent wokr
15:38:30poopBotUsage: choosenim <version/path/channel>
15:38:38FromGitter<jrfondren> that's because you ran 'choosenim' with no arguments
15:38:46FromGitter<jrfondren> because # starts a comment
15:38:55FromGitter<jrfondren> try '#head' or \#head
15:39:12poopBotyep its writed sorry :(
15:39:46FromDiscord<treeform> There might be a reason we don't support libssl.45...
15:41:11FromDiscord<treeform> what even is 45? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSSL its not listed here.
15:41:22FromDiscord<treeform> Pre 1998?
15:41:29FromGitter<jrfondren> it's 0.46 that you don't support.
15:41:33FromGitter<jrfondren> you do suppot 0.45
15:41:53FromGitter<jrfondren> or just so dot 45
15:41:53FromGitter<liquid600pgm> is there a way of using nimsuggest with the new runtime?
15:41:54narimiranpoopBot: to get the latest nim: `choosenim devel`, `choosenim update devel`
15:42:10poopBoti did head hope it works
15:42:28FromGitter<liquid600pgm> narimiran: `choosenim update devel` is enough, `update` switches to the version you choose iirc
15:43:12narimiranliquid600pgm i didn't know that, last time i used choosenim (more than 6 months ago) that was not the case IIRC
15:44:02FromDiscord<treeform> poobBot can you `strings libssl.45.so | grep "^OpenSSL`
15:44:16FromDiscord<treeform> I would like to know what "real" version is the .45 version?
15:44:38FromDiscord<treeform> https://stackoverflow.com/a/47829613
15:44:51poopBoti have 46 but can check
15:44:59FromDiscord<treeform> sorry 46
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15:45:38FromDiscord<treeform> I assumed 46 versions would have been before 1.0.0, but it looks like different OSes use different versioning schemes for libssl.
15:46:43poopBoti am on voidlinux i think it uses libressl and some magic xD
15:46:57poopBotanyway how to use this strings it just shoots me a new line with >
15:47:28FromDiscord<treeform> can you try "^LibreSSL" ?
15:47:54FromDiscord<treeform> can you send me your so?
15:48:40poopBotsure
15:48:51poopBotjust sec am trying to igure out this string thingy
15:49:25FromGitter<liquid600pgm> narimiran: actually, it doesn't, I guess choosenim just gave me a misleading message "Already on #devel" when I was updating devel
15:49:38FromGitter<liquid600pgm> that's what made me think that
15:50:24poopBot@treeform: its cuz its packages as libssl.so.45 on my distro thats why i was getting and > line
15:50:55poopBotLibreSSL 2.8.3
15:51:08FromDiscord<treeform> neat thanks!
15:51:27poopBotOpenSSLDie << this gives when i grep with OpenSSL
15:51:47FromDiscord<treeform> yeah that's one of the messages it can give you.
15:51:53vivuswhat's the quickest way to add a 2-value sequence to a table?
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15:53:44FromDiscord<treeform> you need a key to add to the table.
15:53:57FromDiscord<treeform> so table[key] = @[a, b]
15:54:06dom96liquid600pgm: That's `choosenim #devel` vs. `choosenim update #devel`
15:54:15poopBotduno i newb, hmm running choosenim '#head' /home/me/Documents/Apps/Nim devel i got empty dir wierd
15:54:48poopBottought i think i got some output like it was pulling it form git
15:55:12poopBothmm yep it filled /home/me/.choosenim/toolchains/nim-#head
15:55:15narimiranpoopBot: why you don't use the default command? (the one i've written above)
15:55:43poopBotnarimiran, cuz i runed my one before you sended me first msg
15:56:30narimiranok, why *now* don't you run `choosenim update devel` and make your life easier?
15:57:32poopBotcuz i wanted to installi it to /Documents/Apps/Nim but form what i see it dosent cooperate anyway cuz i ended up with empty dir anyway xD
15:57:53poopBotit just dumps it in /home/me/.choosenim/toolchains
15:58:22narimiranhttps://github.com/dom96/choosenim#how-choosenim-works
15:59:39FromGitter<liquid600pgm> dom96: https://termbin.com/ws0x this last message is what confused me
15:59:53narimiranand if you want the latest version, in a custom directory, why not use `git clone https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim.git` ?
16:00:47dom96poopBot you cannot tell choosenim where to put an installation like that
16:02:04dom96liquid600pgm: oh, that's a bug. It's choosenim automatically switching to the version you've updated and not checking whether you're already on that version :)
16:02:05dom96report plz
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16:02:33FromGitter<liquid600pgm> it's not a bug, it doesn't switch
16:02:42FromGitter<liquid600pgm> as you can see by nim -v
16:02:59FromGitter<liquid600pgm> it's just the last "Info" message that confused me into thinking it does
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16:07:01poopBothmm so hmm, shouldi now export ./nimble/bin or /home/me/.choosenim/toolchains/devel, guess choosenim oweriteds nimble dir right when i swich versions?
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16:07:44FromGitter<liquid600pgm> I didn't get an answer previously, so let me repeat my question
16:07:56FromGitter<liquid600pgm> is there any way of setting up nimsuggest to use the new runtime?
16:08:36poopBoti duno :)
16:21:57FromGitter<liquid600pgm> is it *required* to disarm dangling pointers in the new runtime, or does the compiler do this automatically?
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16:38:50Araqit is required but it doesn't come up often
16:39:08FromGitter<liquid600pgm> so, when must it be done?
16:40:12Araqif the ref would otherwise outlive the owned ref
16:40:58FromGitter<liquid600pgm> aah, that makes sense. I thought all refs were required to be disarmed
16:43:43dom96liquid600pgm: the message is the bug
16:43:58FromGitter<liquid600pgm> I
16:44:05dom96it shouldn't be shown
16:44:08FromGitter<liquid600pgm> I'll report then
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16:56:04FromGitter<Varriount> Araq: So far, how does the new runtime implementation differ from the RFC?
16:57:12narimiran"I think if Nim could have a usable web server in the std lib (same with Rust and D) it would be a game changer." --> dom96, do you want to address this comment? (in the HN post)
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17:05:49federico3https://lobste.rs/s/dnahfo/nim_programming_language_version_0_19_6 post on lobste.rs
17:07:05FromGitter<alehander42> Li
17:07:12FromGitter<alehander42> @gogolxdong yes
17:07:25narimiranfederico3: i think https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/4840 is much bigger news than 0.19.6
17:07:52federico3ah finally the thread picked up speed
17:08:05narimiran...and now i see it has already been posted: https://lobste.rs/s/w0ftft/dali_pure_nim_indie_assembler_for_android
17:10:56FromGitter<alehander42> @dom96 I am still pondering on my wannabe-a-framework dsl
17:11:35FromGitter<alehander42> Did you plan to eventually include a default orm in jester
17:14:38FromGitter<alehander42> I know I can just leave that to the user,but I feel if I can have a very definite typed schema that all other components can understand this might more expressive
17:16:30dom96nope, that should be a separate package
17:18:33ZevvHm, I can't seem to find any proper up to date libs or wrappers for common crypto operations like X509, signing, hashing, etc. Am I missing something?
17:19:01federico3Zevv: libsodium? or the native openssl wrapper?
17:20:51ZevvYes, I was missing something - I didn't realize the stdlib exposed a lot of openssl, as it's not in the docs
17:20:54Zevvthanks
17:22:19Zevvalthough it seems to be missing things like pkcs8 still
17:22:47federico3yes, I'm looking at adding PKCS
17:23:19ZevvI so hate openssl, but it's still the way to go for portability
17:23:34federico3Zevv: are you doing that for dali?
17:23:46Zevvwas looking into that yeah, should be a breeze
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17:24:57federico3Zevv: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/6664/files
17:27:53narimiranfederico3: what's the status of that PR? should i restart the CIs?
17:28:23narimiranis there something that remains to be done?
17:29:28federico3narimiran: a new CI run would help!
17:29:31federico3I'll rebase if needed
17:31:21narimirannew run under way
17:32:45FromDiscord<demotomohiro> I fixed errors in egl module and sent a PR but there is no response.
17:32:45FromDiscord<demotomohiro> https://github.com/nimious/egl/pull/3
17:32:45FromDiscord<demotomohiro> There are many Nim libraries in nimio.us but looks like inactive now.
17:34:31narimirandemotomohiro that repo and user/organization seem quite inactive :(
17:35:51FromGitter<jrfondren> yeah, looks pretty dead. the one user is still active with other matters: https://github.com/gmpreussner , so taking over nimious might be an option if you reach out to him directly.
17:41:49poopBotLatest development version of nimsuggest (--autobind is required, you can use choosenim to install this version)
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17:48:08poopBoti frogot to restart after export path
17:50:00FromDiscord<demotomohiro> nimious has Nim bindings for oculus/Leap motion/kinect/etc SDKs, but I don't have these devices.
17:50:00FromDiscord<demotomohiro> So I taking over it is not a good option.
17:50:40AraqVarriount: nothing changed. it seems to work pretty much as expected but more experiments need to be done
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18:36:50FromGitter<jrfondren> your taking over those projects won't make them collect any more dust than they're already collecting, but alright.
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18:52:25dom96From Google analytics: "Total Events for event 'BuildSuccessEvent->choosenim stable --firstInstall->(not set)' spiked yesterday" :D
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19:29:13ZevvHow do I match a file name against a wildcard pattern these days?
19:31:52Zevv- when the file is not actually on disk -. So i'd like to match 'foo/bar.baz' against 'foo/*.baz', for example
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19:37:45Zevvwell, nevermind, I was able to workaround with splitFile
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23:20:40FromDiscord<treeform> Hey dom96, I would like to use AsyncHttpClient for my websocket library, but I can't figure out how to access private member "socket". Is there a reason why its private? How can I get around that?
23:21:13FromDiscord<treeform> I have tried `import httpclient` and my code works. But if some one else `includes httpclient` it creates to versions.
23:21:54FromDiscord<treeform> The reason why I want to use AsyncHttpClient is because it does all the header, redirect routing and ssl wrapping so I don't have to worry about it.
23:30:52zestyrtreeform: see https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/11233
23:37:02FromDiscord<treeform> zestyr: WOW thanks!
23:40:52FromDiscord<treeform> 3 days ago to!
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