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| 00:14:33 | FromDiscord | <nasuray> In reply to @user2m "anyone using 2.0? I'm": I've been using the js backend on 2.0 recently without issue for a Firefox extension. Mostly karax though not a lot of direct usage of `std/dom` |
| 00:17:34 | nmz | nnsee this take might not be so strange, if you actually expect software to actually compile in any platform that isn't linux, but alas, it doesn't |
| 00:19:11 | nmz | I can release any software, no matter how buggy, write a nice readme on github and anybody can talk about it, how many actually try it? not that many in my view. vlang is also another one that the last time I tried it, it didn't build |
| 00:19:16 | nmz | its no strange take, its the norm |
| 00:19:48 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I mean you are using examples of software that does not have a stable release |
| 00:20:05 | nmz | exactly, it looks nice, but lets stop it with the mental masturbation |
| 00:20:21 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> How about no |
| 00:20:24 | nmz | I would love for a lot of languages to be usable (red, rye), but they aren't. |
| 00:20:36 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> It's in development software it's not stable software |
| 00:20:49 | nmz | all software is always in development |
| 00:21:12 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> There's a difference between non stable software and stable software |
| 00:21:41 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Excepting software that has not reached a stable state to fit all your needs/wants is foolish |
| 00:22:00 | nmz | absolutely |
| 00:22:23 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> It's open source so if you want to have it work where you need it contribute. Otherwise you have no reason to care about it and can live your life like it doesnt exist |
| 00:22:27 | nmz | I see a lot of talk of this new naturelanguage, the fibonacci example was incorrect in the website |
| 00:23:01 | nmz | this is what I mean by, I'm tired of being your bug tester |
| 00:23:10 | nmz | it sounds rude, but really though, I'm really tired |
| 00:25:21 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> So then don't use it? |
| 00:25:29 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I mean I don't disagree that it's a shame that there is a lot of software in early development stages, but I tend to just stay shut about it 😄 |
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| 00:26:04 | nmz | I asked if it was stable, with the justification that I don't wanna bug test, but apparently you can't even express justification |
| 00:26:18 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Nah I'm just an asshat |
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| 00:26:40 | nmz | the problem wasn't with you but with nnsee |
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| 00:28:41 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Looking at the language the thing I'm mostly concerned about is the "In-house compiler/assembler/linker", not to say that it's not possible to write a good one, but this means all optimisations depend on what their IR and compiler devs are capable of |
| 00:29:09 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> More eyes are on llvm/C compilers |
| 00:30:04 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> As a system language it's pretty much in the most sketchy state one could be in |
| 00:30:49 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Early development without any optimisations, so you're likely losing a lot of the benefits of any established one based on the LLVM or that can emit C |
| 00:32:53 | nmz | the dev said he spent 3 years on it |
| 00:32:59 | nmz | might be good |
| 00:33:03 | nmz | they* |
| 00:33:30 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> > Nature is currently in its beta phase focusing on core functionality development. There hasn't been any optimization done on the compiler backend. Hence, performance testing would be unfair and meaningless. |
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| 00:36:56 | nmz | its still should be better than an interpreter I guess |
| 00:37:25 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Perhaps, but if you're using a language that's considered a 'system language' you want more than that 😄 |
| 00:38:18 | nmz | sure |
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| 00:41:39 | nmz | speaking of llvm, how good is nlvm? stable? |
| 00:42:03 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I used it briefly for compiling to wasm, but aside from that, never really used it |
| 00:42:16 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> It should be the same as 1.6.14 or w/e version it's pinned to |
| 01:05:13 | FromDiscord | <Grahf> Hello. Is Nim production ready? |
| 01:07:06 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Some use it that way |
| 01:07:19 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Status likes to say they have billions of crypto secured by Nim |
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| 04:30:04 | NimEventer | New Nimble package! nimzip - Binding for a portable, simple zip library, see https://github.com/thechampagne/nimzip |
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| 09:37:34 | NimEventer | New question by Orlando Huang: Is there any way to use echo and not print a new line in Nim, see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/77292317/is-there-any-way-to-use-echo-and-not-print-a-new-line-in-nim |
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| 15:42:21 | om3ga | I use in production services, one of examples is fcgi multithreaded server with long uptime. Also in parsers, analysers, signal processing for more than 3 yrs |
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| 15:45:00 | om3ga | every tool has bugs or not expected behaviour. Bad programming/architecture in C leads to segfaults and many other amazing things. But people use it for decades in production. |
| 15:47:03 | om3ga | to be honest I am surprised till today how people choose javascript and python for services with high responsibility |
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| 20:52:49 | NimEventer | New thread by lou15b: Declaring a global proc variable to be gcsafe has no effect, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10549 |
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