<< 15-04-2023 >>
00:13:20FromDiscord<Nilts> How would i get random bytes compile-time?
00:13:28FromDiscord<Nilts> (edit) "How would i get random bytes ... compile-time?" added "string"
00:26:33FromDiscord<that_dude> Can't you just store the value in a const variable or static block?
00:26:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Likely
00:26:51FromDiscord<that_dude> Actually, what is the difference between const and static?
00:27:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nothing static is done at compile time
00:28:18FromDiscord<that_dude> So it would be fair to say there are 2 keywords for the same thing?
00:28:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well no
00:28:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `const` is for saying "This is a compile time constant" static is for either evaluating code statically or saying code must be known at compile time
00:29:15FromDiscord<that_dude> I was just thinking whether it might be worth changing const to static to make it uniform. I think that might be interesting
00:29:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No
00:31:51FromDiscord<Nilts> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Likely": Got an importc error for sysrand
00:33:13FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @not logged in "How would i get": rip reproducible builds
00:36:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Likely need to use a shell command that opens `/dev/rand`
00:36:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> well `random` or `urandom`
00:41:46FromDiscord<Nilts> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Likely need to use": Grrrr
00:42:03FromDiscord<Nilts> Whatever, I will just run-time it
00:43:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4tsL
00:43:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Such an easy thing to do on linux
00:44:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Probably more difficult on windows
00:45:13FromDiscord<huantian> it's probably not worth it tbh if you can just do it at runtime
00:45:33FromDiscord<huantian> ie if you don't need the random data to be the same across different built instances just do it at runtime
00:45:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea
00:46:32FromDiscord<Nilts> In reply to @huantian "it's probably not worth": my app is going to restart like 30 times a day, and I need that number to stay the same most of the time, but it will add extra security to have it random when compiled
00:47:04FromDiscord<huantian> and if you need it to be the same across builds then I'd say you should be writing it to a file that you include with your repo and such so it's actually reproducable
00:47:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I cannot imagine a place where a consistent value is more secure
00:47:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Then again i do not do anything crypto related
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00:49:24FromDiscord<Nilts> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I cannot imagine a": it's more secure to have a non-consistent value, but at the rate I am restarting, run time changing would be super annoying
00:50:38FromDiscord<Nilts> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4tsM
00:57:15FromDiscord<Nilts> oh, it was jester being stupid
00:57:18FromDiscord<Nilts> XD
01:33:38FromDiscord<Nilts> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4tsP
01:34:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `db.get` seems to return a json node
01:34:51FromDiscord<Nilts> In reply to @Elegantbeef "`db.get` seems to return": oh, I am so stupid. It is not db.get, it is db.session.get
01:34:55FromDiscord<Nilts> Let me fix
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02:05:29FromDiscord<lauvrens> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4tsT
02:05:47FromDiscord<lauvrens> (sry if its dumb its my first time using nim)
02:06:56FromDiscord<lauvrens> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4tsT" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4tsU"
02:07:20FromDiscord<lauvrens> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4tsU" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4tsV"
02:07:46FromDiscord<Rika> It is not allowed
02:07:51FromDiscord<Rika> Well, it’s more complex than that
02:08:00FromDiscord<lauvrens> ok thx 👍
02:08:01FromDiscord<Rika> But simplifying, it isn’t allowed
02:08:04FromDiscord<Raynei486> seems like you could use variant types
02:08:08FromDiscord<Rika> You can
02:08:28FromDiscord<lauvrens> In reply to @Raynei486 "seems like you could": ill look it up in the docs ty
02:09:39FromDiscord<Rika> They’re also called object variants
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04:06:19FromDiscord<leorize> shameless plug for\: https://github.com/alaviss/union
04:09:01FromDiscord<lauvrens> In reply to @leorize "shameless plug for\: https://github.com/alaviss/uni": i already implemented the object variants but you can have a free star :>
04:10:41FromDiscord<ajusa> union is the best one
04:12:33FromDiscord<Yardanico> wat about https://github.com/beef331/fungus :)
04:12:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Meh fungus' arent cool
04:12:48FromDiscord<Yardanico> isn't union mostly meant for smaller object variants?
04:15:25FromDiscord<Dudugz> Best name for a proc that turns a hex string into an rgb color object?
04:15:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `hexColor`
04:15:57FromDiscord<Dudugz> Sure
04:15:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Then you can do `hexColor"#0fabcd"`
04:16:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Or just `color`
04:16:19FromDiscord<Dudugz> It also does with integer hex too
04:16:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So then you can do `color(1.0, 0.0, 1.0)`
04:17:20FromDiscord<Dudugz> I'm actually using the object from the SDL library itself, it already has a Color object with rgba included ``"#FFCC00".hexColor(100)`` where 100 is the alpha mod
04:17:31FromDiscord<Dudugz> Tho I could just extract the alpha from the hex
04:17:53FromDiscord<Dudugz> I thought SDL would have some conversion method but there isn't
04:22:58FromDiscord<Yardanico> there's such a proc in the nim stdlib too, although it doesn't deal with alpha
04:23:00FromDiscord<Yardanico> <https://nim-lang.org/docs/colors.html#parseColor%2Cstring>
04:23:07FromDiscord<Dudugz> Yea I'm going to do ARGB conversion, it's better than passing alpha as a parameter
04:23:37FromDiscord<Dudugz> For what I'm doing I prefer to allow alpha so i made my own
04:23:53FromDiscord<Yardanico> and SDL tells this about HEX https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1096652086415994890/image.png
04:24:10FromDiscord<Yardanico> i mean strings might be easier to change than separate values, but parsing each time at runtime is a tiny bit wasteful :)
04:24:16FromDiscord<Yardanico> but ofc in Nim you can just make a proc accept static[string] and stuff
04:24:20FromDiscord<Yardanico> as an overload
04:25:07FromDiscord<Dudugz> Hm yea, tho SDL doesn't accept hex itself but an integer representing the hex, and the wrapper uses Color or pure RGB
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04:32:20FromDiscord<Dudugz> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/krV
04:33:11FromDiscord<Yardanico> why is r 0?
04:33:24FromDiscord<Dudugz> (edit) "https://paste.rs/BFx" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4tt9"
04:33:31FromDiscord<Dudugz> Because of the color, it's gold and red doesn't match
04:33:48FromDiscord<Yardanico> but isn't #64FFCC 100, 255, 204
04:33:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yard it's ARGB
04:33:54FromDiscord<Dudugz> By mixing green and blue in a specific way you get gold, you can use a colorpicker to confirm.
04:34:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yard is right it's ARGB\
04:34:28FromDiscord<Dudugz> SDL itself only accepts ARGB so I just followed the rules instead of doing RGBA
04:34:29FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Yard it's ARGB": i'm still a bit confused, I get that it's ARGB, but #FFCC00 is just RGB, no?
04:34:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `r` is not 0 in any of those
04:35:00FromDiscord<Dudugz> Oooh lol
04:35:05FromDiscord<Dudugz> No i inverted everything lmao
04:35:24FromDiscord<Dudugz> It's backwards lmao, red is 255, green is 204 and blue is 0
04:35:31FromDiscord<Yardanico> yeah, i see it now
04:35:46FromDiscord<Dudugz> It's just that I copied the way I had printed it and I forgot it lmao sorry I'll fix it
04:37:09FromDiscord<Dudugz> In case I put it wrong here, the function works as it should
04:37:55FromDiscord<Dudugz> It's fixed now lol
04:38:31FromDiscord<Dudugz> I got confused because the function actually reads the numbers backwards, blue, green, red and alpha
04:44:06FromDiscord<Dudugz> Nim has some weird bugs sometimes locally, it happens very rarely. I just tried compiling again and it compiled without any problems. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1096657176396832768/image.png
04:44:25FromDiscord<Dudugz> (edit) "locally," => "rarely,"
04:44:38FromDiscord<Dudugz> (edit) "sometimes rarely," => "sometimes,"
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05:20:01FromDiscord<xTrayambak> In reply to @Dudugz "Nim has some weird": Yep, the errors are extremely stupid or weird sometimes. I genuinely think that there should be well formatted errors, `readFile` just throws a huge error pointing to vmgen.nim, in a perfect world, the compiler should just tell you it is not possible to use `readFile`.
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06:04:35FromDiscord<qb> Nim doesn't have up2date opencv bindingsh uh
06:04:41FromDiscord<qb> (edit) "bindingsh uh" => "bindings huh"
06:16:38FromDiscord<xTrayambak> I finally completed my fancy DOM tree in Nim :D
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06:43:54FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @qb "Nim doesn't have up2date": If you know c/c++ you can create up2date opencv bindings.↵There are tools to automatically create bindings like c2nim or futhark
07:21:55FromDiscord<qb> I dont ;D
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09:45:37FromDiscord<Arvin❓> noob question again: but how can i easily do an exponentiation in Nim?
09:48:44FromDiscord<exelotl> a^b
09:49:53FromDiscord<exelotl> But there's also `pow` in std/math which lets you use a float exponent iirc
09:54:17FromDiscord<Arvin❓> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ttY
09:56:25FromDiscord<exelotl> !eval 2 ^ 2
09:56:57FromDiscord<exelotl> Dang, am I using the bot wrong? 🤦
09:57:25NimBotCompile failed: <no output>
09:59:09FromDiscord<exelotl> !eval echo 2^2
10:00:09NimBotCompile failed: <no output>
10:00:35FromDiscord<exelotl> Thanks NimBot
10:00:59FromDiscord<Arvin❓> In reply to @exelotl "Thanks NimBot": so does the pow work with int?
10:01:23FromDiscord<Arvin❓> (edit) "In reply to @exelotl "Thanks NimBot": so does the pow work with int?" => "sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ttZ"
10:01:31FromDiscord<Arvin❓> (edit) "sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ttZ" => "In reply to @exelotl "Thanks NimBot": so does the ``pow`` work with int?"
10:09:26FromDiscord<lauvrens> u need to import std/math
10:17:38FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4tu4
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10:40:35FromDiscord<Arvin❓> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/5uo
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11:12:55FromDiscord<qb> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4tug
11:12:57FromDiscord<qb> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1096755033565048924/Unbenannt.png
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12:04:38NimEventerNew thread by Stefan_Salewski: What GPT-4 knows and thinks about Nim, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10101
12:12:58FromDiscord<federico3> https://blog.deckc.hair/2023-01-18-stop-building-on-corporate-controlled-languages.html
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13:24:54FromDiscord<Bloss> I thought the above post was a joke in the vein of the previous post 😆
14:02:30FromDiscord<Phil> <@&371760044473319454> I can't access matrix ATM, please ban the guy
14:03:28NimEventerNew Nimble package! vcard - Nim parser for the vCard format version 3.0 (4.0 planned)., see https://github.com/jdbernard/nim-vcard
14:03:41FromDiscord<Yepoleb> Banned
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15:34:22FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> hey, anyone using nim with nvim?
15:34:40FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> was going to check it out, but neovim tooling seems really underdeveloped
15:35:22FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> there’s no treesitter grammars, and i can’t seem to get `nimlsp` working
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15:37:56FromDiscord<HitBlast> Is there an efficient way to declare multiple types with the same attributes at once?
15:45:08FromDiscord<demotomohiro> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4tvg
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16:26:13FromDiscord<jmgomez> does anyone ever experienced a crash for calling NimMain twice?
16:27:03*Amun-Ra never called NimMain twice
16:28:44FromDiscord<jmgomez> Im experimenting with partial cpp recompilation and need to do so otherwise globals arent init
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18:15:18FromDiscord<Prestige> @&_dükk ™ I am, and nimlsp is working it just fine. How are you trying to set it up?
18:17:33FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> In reply to @Avahe "<@602927925121122318> I am, and": I tried setting it up through Mason
18:17:55FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> Also installed nimlsp itself
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18:27:45FromDiscord<Prestige> So I'm using https://github.com/alaviss/nim.nvim and the lsp client that's built in to neovim
18:30:25FromDiscord<Prestige> oh actually I think I'm not using nimlsp anymore, it was working with CoC, but not with the built-in neovim lsp client
18:30:42FromDiscord<Prestige> but that nim.nvim plugin does a pretty decent job
18:31:18PMunchI believe nimlsp is a bit broken on the latest Nim version
18:32:28FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> most likely
18:32:47FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> i'm using nvim-cmp and native nvim lsp, so that may be a problem
18:32:54PMunchThe nimlangserver guys made some non-compatible changes to nimsuggest..
18:33:11PMunchI mean that shouldn't be an issue, LSP should be LSP, but I wouldn't be too surprised
18:35:06FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> In reply to @Avahe "So I'm using https://github.com/alaviss/nim.nvim": looks like it might work...
18:35:10FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> at least for syntax highlighting
18:35:22FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> however seems like there's no OOTB support for `nvim-cmp`, might have to figure that out
18:36:00FromDiscord<Prestige> If you find something for that lmk, would be nice to have
18:36:13FromDiscord<Prestige> It's unfortunate editor support for nim is still so poor
18:37:16FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> yeah, most languages i use have a treesitter grammar as well
18:37:22FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> however, couldn't find such a thing for nim
18:37:47FromDiscord<Prestige> Someone tried making one but never finished, seems difficult to make one for Nim
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18:38:27FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> it most likely gets difficult when dealing with the macros
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18:39:21FromDiscord<Prestige> Lot of my friends liked nim but couldn't deal with bad tooling, so they went to other languages. Kinda sad
18:39:45FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> yeah, the tooling is kind of disappointing
18:39:58FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> from what i've heard though, people seem to love the language, so still will give it a try
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18:40:57FromDiscord<Prestige> yeah it's my favorite language despite the tooling issues
18:41:29FromDiscord<Prestige> I just run nim check on my files as I'm coding to see if I messed up somewhere
18:43:06FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> from what i understand it's an interesting language: it's got nice syntax, statically typed (thank god), still somewhat low-level, and no garbage collector (auto reference counting i think)?
18:43:19FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> so it definitely draws my attention
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18:46:04FromDiscord<&_dükk ™> after installing `nim.nvim`, seems syntax highlighting works https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1096869065752064222/image.png
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18:59:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @&_dükk ™\: well it does actually have a GC if you use `refc` and Orc's mark and sweep phase might be considered GC 😄
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20:51:58FromDiscord<guttural666> how do I format ints for echo to include , delimiters to large numbers like 200,000? chatGPT is letting me down ^^
20:54:07PMunchGood question actually
20:54:17PMunchCan't think of anything in the standard library off the top of my head
20:55:16FromDiscord<guttural666> this from chatGPT seems to be outdated https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1096901578159571075/image.png
20:55:19PMunchAh, insertSep in strutils: https://nim-lang.org/docs/strutils.html#insertSep%2Cstring%2Cchar%2Cint
20:55:43PMunchI wouldn't trust ChatGPT to give any kind of correct answer
20:55:53PMunchI've never seen syntax like that in Nim for formatting
20:56:21FromDiscord<guttural666> In reply to @PMunch "I wouldn't trust ChatGPT": I don't, just have to learn its capabilities, just like googling back then
20:56:23FromDiscord<guttural666> thanks!
21:03:49Amun-Rais there cli equivalent of {.experimental: "strictDefs".}?
21:04:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `--experimental:strictDefs`
21:06:42Amun-Rathanks
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21:40:39FromDiscord<guttural666> when is Nim 2 coming out
21:41:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> soon ™️
21:42:26FromDiscord<Yepoleb> After valve releases the heavy update
21:42:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Was going to joke that Araq soon will announce he was hired by valve
21:43:21FromDiscord<Yepoleb> The google drive linux client will be written in nim 2
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21:46:34FromDiscord<that_dude> The installer comes as a minecraft mod now
21:46:39Amun-Raright after Half Life 3
21:47:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nah there is no more language, Araq has moved towards making the game Nim
21:49:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim2 is the big change in mechanics you were waiting for it's now 1 to 5 matches
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21:49:51FromDiscord<Yepoleb> Half life 3 is too far away
21:50:12Amun-RaElegantbeef: can't wait for std/capturetheflag module
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21:50:39FromDiscord<Yepoleb> I heard araq is now a popular german programming tiktoker with a focus on rust
21:50:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Did you have permission to write "rust"?
21:51:22FromDiscord<Yepoleb> rst sorry
21:51:39FromDiscord<Yepoleb> The r language
21:51:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Too late rust lawyers are on their w ay
21:51:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> the R language that isnt R language or Ruby?
21:52:15Amun-Raor Rexx
21:52:43FromDiscord<guttural666> Fe²O³ it is
21:52:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But it's not named after the oxide
21:53:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's named after a fungus
21:53:10FromDiscord<guttural666> you're right, damn
21:53:34PMunchA fungus?
21:53:47Amun-RaI'm switching to professional language, HolyC
21:53:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also how do you know it's iron 2 oxide and not iron 3 oxide?
21:54:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes there is a group of fungus named 'rust'
21:54:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This is why i named my package `fungus`
21:54:21PMunchHuh, interesting
21:55:05FromDiscord<Yepoleb> You have a r\st package?
21:55:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nope
21:55:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I have an macro inspired by ML enums 😄
21:56:03Amun-Ranim2 will support `nope` keyword instead of `nil`
21:56:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Or maybe it's ocaml enums
21:56:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Who knows
21:56:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/beef331/fungus#what-does-it-do eitherway if you're not being ironic yepoleb
21:57:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> And yea pmunch iirc the rust logo is partially inspired by the spores of that fungus aswell https://media.sciencephoto.com/image/b2750036/800wm/B2750036-Rust_fungus_spores,_SEM.jpg
21:57:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But also of course a gear
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21:57:43Amun-Rayou broke PMunch
21:57:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Good
21:57:55Amun-Ra;)
21:58:04FromDiscord<Yepoleb> Rude
21:58:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Rather be broke by someone that be someone that's broke
21:58:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> than be\
21:58:53FromDiscord<Yepoleb> Damn you're talking like the young kids
21:59:10Amun-Rac'est la vie
21:59:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> c'est si bon
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22:06:39FromDiscord<Yepoleb> i really did not know sorry for being a bad fan
22:07:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I have "fans".... fuck I made a mistake somewhere along the way
22:07:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I hate you and think you're likely ugly
22:07:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There that solves that problem
22:10:57FromDiscord<Yepoleb> i know you don't mean it in a negative way
22:11:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Lol
22:12:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I was just joking, but it's weird to have someone say they're a fan even if joking
22:15:36FromDiscord<Yepoleb> It's great to have your work admired
22:16:41FromDiscord<Yepoleb> I admire your passion for helping people with nim
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23:15:08FromDiscord<etra> In reply to @Yepoleb "r*st sorry": now you'd have to be careful with both Rust foundation and Rockstar :godwhy:
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