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02:22:37FromDiscord<Saint> Is this the right way to read a json file to nim?
02:22:41FromDiscord<Saint> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=
02:40:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It works
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03:10:37FromDiscord<Saint> Is there a better way @ElegantBeef
03:10:42FromDiscord<Saint> Just wondering!
03:16:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> "better" is all subjective you can do `parseJson(readAll("john.json"))` but whether that is better depends on if your file quite large
03:18:52FromDiscord<Saint> Oh gotcha, yeah it's a bigger file @ElegantBeef
03:18:58FromDiscord<Saint> Got it though, thanks!
03:21:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also i dont know if `parseJson` closes the file
03:21:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well the stream
03:21:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah yea it does
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05:57:55FromDiscord<scruz> What's python's equivalent of `str.encode()` in Nim?
05:59:15FromDiscord<scruz> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4loX
05:59:36FromDiscord<Rika> Nim strings are not like Python strings
05:59:53FromDiscord<Rika> Nim strings are already essentially byte sequences
05:59:59FromDiscord<scruz> hmm hmm
06:03:05FromDiscord<albassort> Whats the generic type for all arrays
06:04:47FromDiscord<Rika> What do you mean more specifically
06:04:52FromDiscord<pyolyokh> `array[Size, Type]`. But if you want to write a proc that accepts arrays of any (flat) type, you probably want `openArray[Type]`, which accepts a slice.
06:04:58FromDiscord<Rika> openarray?
06:05:10FromDiscord<Rika> not a qn to you pyo
06:07:48FromDiscord<scruz> In reply to @Rika "Nim strings are already": So how do I do the comparison?
06:08:11FromDiscord<scruz> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4loZ
06:08:33FromDiscord<pyolyokh> what comparison are you trying to do?
06:09:03FromDiscord<pyolyokh> oh, trying to say that the 'h'.byte isn't 0.byte?
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06:09:54FromDiscord<pyolyokh> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lp0
06:10:21FromDiscord<scruz> oh, that's how you do it
06:10:26FromDiscord<scruz> thanks
06:11:00FromDiscord<pyolyokh> I've got no idea what the Python's doing. If you want to pull unicode codepoints out of a string, <https://nim-lang.org/docs/unicode.html> can help with that
06:15:57FromDiscord<albassort> In reply to @Rika "openarray?": doesn't take a sequence
06:16:26FromDiscord<albassort> i want sequence and array compatibility
06:16:31FromDiscord<scruz> In reply to @pyolyokh "I've got no idea": https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str.encode
06:17:12FromDiscord<pyolyokh> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lp2
06:17:49FromDiscord<pyolyokh> In reply to @scruz "https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str": I need to guard every remaining neuron, so I can't learn Python.
06:18:40FromDiscord<scruz> 😄
06:19:21FromDiscord<pyolyokh> In reply to @albassort "i want sequence and": or is what you want to do is take seqs|arrays and pass them onto other routines that are specialized on either a seq or array?
06:19:29FromDiscord<pyolyokh> (edit) "do is" => "do, to"
06:20:23FromDiscord<scruz> In reply to @scruz "https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str": I'm just taking an input stream as a number doing doing stuff with it btw
06:20:59FromDiscord<scruz> like checking these characters as integers https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1064429038657085490/image.png
06:21:13FromDiscord<scruz> (edit) "a number" => "an integer"
06:21:46FromDiscord<pyolyokh> you're interpreting zero bytes as a unicode heart emoji?
06:21:58FromDiscord<scruz> yeah lol
06:22:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's literally what an openarray is for↵(@albassort)
06:33:30FromDiscord<albassort> In reply to @Elegantbeef "That's literally what an": it not working ;-;
06:35:03FromDiscord<pyolyokh> I show about that "it", as far as you describe it, definitely works. So what are you really trying to do?
06:35:11FromDiscord<pyolyokh> (edit) "about" => "above"
06:36:59FromDiscord<pyolyokh> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lp4
06:37:56FromDiscord<albassort> string | openArray[string])
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06:38:20FromDiscord<pyolyokh> an `openArray[string]` is an array of strings, not an array of chars
06:38:38Mister_Magisterhow can i convert Table[char, int] into array of tuples
06:39:04FromDiscord<pyolyokh> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lp5
06:40:29Mister_Magisteralso is there something like vector where i can push front or back?
06:40:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> there are dequeues
06:41:40FromDiscord<pyolyokh> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lp6
06:41:50Mister_MagisterI basically made Table[char, int] to count occurances of each char in text, and now want to sorter chars by amount of occurances
06:42:03FromDiscord<pyolyokh> there's a `CountTable` that can be used more directly for that
06:42:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There is a counttable and also you can do `toSeq` or `collect` on `pairs`
06:42:17Mister_Magisterohhh
06:42:35Mister_Magisterknew i should just describe what i'm doing
06:42:36FromDiscord<pyolyokh> <https://nim-lang.org/docs/tables.html#sort%2CCountTableRef%5BA%5D>
06:42:39Mister_Magisteri always forget to do that
06:43:04Mister_Magisterthats much simpler
06:43:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Dont use `CountTableRef` though 😄
06:43:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `string | openarray[X]` doesnt allow implicit openarray conversion
06:43:42FromDiscord<pyolyokh> yeah that was just the first link
06:43:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You want `varargs[string]` likely
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06:49:59Mister_Magisterso after i have counttable i do .sort() on it and then i can do for key in keys(table): ?
06:50:57FromDiscord<pyolyokh> yeah.
06:51:01Mister_Magisterayyy nice
06:51:06Mister_Magisterjust wanted to make sure
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07:14:04FromDiscord<scruz> how to convert `seq[string]` to a `string`?
07:14:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `strutils.join`?
07:15:22FromDiscord<huantian> ~~`cast[string](mySeq)`~~
07:16:25FromDiscord<pyolyokh> In reply to @huantian "~~`cast[string](mySeq)`~~": that's a sequence of strings, not a sequence of chars
07:16:42FromDiscord<scruz> In reply to @Elegantbeef "`strutils.join`?": thanks!
07:16:46FromDiscord<huantian> Ik lol I was making a joke don’t do a cast
07:36:11Mister_Magisteryo, can you help me out whats wrong in here? https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lpc
07:36:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `keys` is an iterator
07:36:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you need to do `table.keys.toSeq` or `collect(table.keys)`
07:36:56Mister_Magisterah thanks
07:37:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Sorry that'd be `collect(for x in table.keys: x)`
07:39:50Mister_Magisteralso how can i convert string to char? like i have string that contains single character, so i want to convert it to char, not seq of chars
07:39:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `[0]`
07:40:06Mister_Magisterxd
07:40:09Mister_Magistersimplest solutions
07:40:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If it's unicode it's not a `char` it's a `std/unicode` rune
07:40:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also btw you can do like `import std/[re, sequtils, strutils, ....]`
07:41:40Mister_Magisteri thought there's something like that but didn'task
07:41:43Mister_Magisterthanks
07:47:35Mister_Magisterkay i got another dumb question if you didn't have enough of me :D I got seq[char] which i want to convert to json's array to later put into file
07:47:53Mister_Magisterand i'm stuck at converting it into json array
07:48:02FromDiscord<albassort> In reply to @pyolyokh "an `openArray[string]` is an": Yes
07:48:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The ugly `%` operator should work from `std/json`
07:48:33FromDiscord<albassort> I want a array of strings of all forms
07:48:34Mister_Magisterit doesn't though :/
07:48:39FromDiscord<albassort> Open array, sequence etc
07:48:43FromDiscord<albassort> I can't find a good concept for it
07:48:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> so then `varargs[string]`
07:49:18Mister_Magister@Elegantbeef wdym
07:49:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There is not general unifyer for all string types cause that doesnt make much sense
07:49:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What's the issue mister?
07:50:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Saying why it doesnt work makes more sense than just "it doesnt work"
07:50:05Mister_Magister"so then `varargs[string]`" was this for me?
07:50:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Certainly not
07:50:18Mister_Magisterah
07:50:32Mister_Magister@Elegantbeef it didn't work with seq of chars but works with seq of strings
07:50:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> "doesnt work" in what way
07:51:36Mister_Magisterhttps://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/831ce83dcf6d
07:51:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Saying that doesnt give me anything to work with
07:51:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If it errors in the compiler giving that helps, if it errors in the output saying that helps
07:52:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ok thank you
07:53:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You manually need to do it seems
07:53:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lpd
07:53:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> like so
07:54:01FromDiscord<pyolyokh> In reply to @Mister_Magister "kay i got another": JSON doesn't have arrays of chars, I think is the issue. It doesn't have "chars".
07:54:28Mister_Magisterye thats what i think so too
07:54:47Mister_Magister@Elegantbeef i just made seq of strings instead of chars and that worked
07:55:08FromDiscord<pyolyokh> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lpf
07:55:54FromDiscord<pyolyokh> for JSON you probably want seq[string], `collect(for c in s1: $c)`
07:57:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can always implement `%` for a `char` I think, might be wrong
07:57:39Mister_Magisterwell i got it work so i won't dwell too much xd
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07:58:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lpi yea this is sufficient
08:23:35PMunchTIL @
08:26:54FromDiscord<Rika> ?
08:27:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can do `@"mystring"`
08:27:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I assume
08:29:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @albassort\: you never did elaborate further
08:29:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Is `varargs[string]` not what you want?
08:29:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It accepts `string` `array[size, string], and `seq[string]\`
08:29:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Wow i fuck the backquoting
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10:21:23FromDiscord<Gumbercules> yeah you do
10:37:58FromDiscord<Rika> please do not fuck the backquoting
10:51:20FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> In reply to @Rika "please do not fuck": Sounds like the slogan of something 😅
10:51:29FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> Maybe put it on the homepage 😀
11:10:29FromDiscord<albassort> In reply to @Elegantbeef "<@217459674700578816>\: you never did": I got sad
11:14:40FromDiscord<Rika> \:(
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11:58:12FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Can Nim compile to WASM?
11:58:23FromDiscord<Rika> via emscripten
11:58:36FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Nice
11:59:12FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @Rika "via emscripten": and can you interact with emscripten code via JS?
12:00:20FromDiscord<Rika> i have no experience with such
12:00:53FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> ah alright
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12:21:12FromDiscord<Tanguy> Is there a proc to get the full path to the source file at CT?
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12:28:57FromDiscord<Tanguy> Found it https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#currentSourcePath.t
13:07:19FromDiscord<Saint> Is there a way to access returned rows by column name in sqlite?
13:07:24FromDiscord<Saint> Or is it just by index
13:09:54FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> What's a good way to generate Nim code? Is there some sort of AST module that can emit Nim code?
13:11:57FromDiscord<Rika> macros are able to write files and the nimnode ast can be printed into code via `repr`
13:12:47FromDiscord<sealmove> Have anyone used a message broker with nim?
13:12:54FromDiscord<Rika> like rabbitmq or smth?
13:12:57FromDiscord<sealmove> Yep
13:13:32FromDiscord<Rika> i feel like it oughtta have been done before but idk
13:13:47FromDiscord<sealmove> Looking for the one that nim has the best support for
13:14:48FromDiscord<sealmove> Also i am interested if there is an no-middleware-required alternative
13:15:06FromDiscord<Rika> what does that mean?
13:15:49FromDiscord<Gumbercules> generally you pick these things because of the features they support and your requirements
13:15:58FromDiscord<Gumbercules> they're not necessarily interchangeable
13:16:15FromDiscord<Gumbercules> for instance, RabbitMQ works differently than ZeroMQ
13:16:21FromDiscord<sealmove> In reply to @Rika "what does that mean?": Not sure 😅 just asking how ppl do this
13:16:34FromDiscord<Gumbercules> what are you trying to do?
13:17:15FromDiscord<enthus1ast> @sealmove\: also have a look at nuts
13:17:41FromDiscord<enthus1ast> aehm
13:17:43FromDiscord<enthus1ast> nats
13:18:39FromDiscord<sealmove> Ok my use case is the following: i have an api with an endpoint which a client hits to request a very long operation. I want to send the request to a queue and have a different process consume from it, read the request, and start the processing.
13:18:59FromDiscord<enthus1ast> then just use a database
13:19:23FromDiscord<enthus1ast> https://github.com/enthus1ast/simplePostgresQueue
13:19:26FromDiscord<sealmove> I want fifo logic
13:19:32FromDiscord<sealmove> Oh hmm
13:19:34FromDiscord<enthus1ast> look at the link
13:19:45PMunch@sealmove haven't implemented a broker in Nim, but I've communicated with one
13:19:50FromDiscord<enthus1ast> no need for complicated stuff,
13:20:01FromDiscord<sealmove> In reply to @PMunch "<@173424250319929344> haven't implemented a": Which one?
13:21:02FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lqm
13:21:02FromDiscord<sealmove> In reply to @enthus1ast "https://github.com/enthus1ast/simplePostgresQueue": Thanks, could work
13:21:18PMunch@sealmove, both a MQTT thing and Kafka
13:22:23FromDiscord<Gumbercules> In reply to @รєคɭ๓๏שє "Ok my use case": different process or different thread?
13:22:37FromDiscord<sealmove> Different process
13:22:57FromDiscord<sealmove> Although currently I am just using thread
13:23:10FromDiscord<Gumbercules> why a different process just out of curiosity?
13:23:21FromDiscord<Gumbercules> what are you doing in this other process?
13:23:23FromDiscord<sealmove> Just considering options...
13:23:35FromDiscord<sealmove> In reply to @Gumbercules "what are you doing": Running ffmpeg basically
13:23:38FromDiscord<Gumbercules> gotcha
13:24:14FromDiscord<Gumbercules> yeah I've built something similar to this before and I did use RabbitMQ but as others have mentioned you don't need to
13:25:14FromDiscord<Gumbercules> one fun thing I did was automatically scale the workers based on the number of entries in the queue
13:25:59FromDiscord<sealmove> In reply to @Gumbercules "yeah I've built something": I don't need to because of the postgres hack alternative? Or threading?
13:26:57FromDiscord<Gumbercules> no because you can the same type of queueing mechanism without the overhead of RabbitMQ
13:27:21FromDiscord<Gumbercules> brb wife is calling me
13:27:41FromDiscord<Saint> Would it be considered okay to update the documentation for https://nim-lang.org/docs/strutils.html#split.i,string,char,int for example to include that the default separator is spsace?
13:27:44FromDiscord<Saint> (edit) "spsace?" => "space?"
13:30:50FromDiscord<leetnewb> Technically says it here: https://nim-lang.org/docs/strbasics.html - but I don't see why it shouldn't be under the strutils section
13:31:25FromDiscord<Rika> It technically says it here
13:31:31FromDiscord<Rika> https://nim-lang.org/docs/strutils.html#split%2Cstring%2Cset%5Bchar%5D%2Cint
13:31:37FromDiscord<leetnewb> err, maybe my brain is still asleep
13:34:19FromDiscord<Saint> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lqr
14:01:05PMunch@Rika, @Saint, yeah the default is actually the template without the required argument. Might be a bit confusing, so maybe it would be worth it to have that in there
14:03:00FromDiscord<Saint> In reply to @Rika "https://nim-lang.org/docs/strutils.html#split%2Cstr": Where does it say it there?
14:03:05FromDiscord<Saint> (edit) "In reply to @Rika "https://nim-lang.org/docs/strutils.html#split%2Cstr": Where does it say it there? ... " added "🇹🇭"
14:03:10FromDiscord<Saint> (edit) "🇹🇭" => "🤔"
14:04:02FromDiscord<Rika> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lqA
14:04:12FromDiscord<Rika> hence the technically
14:04:16FromDiscord<Saint> Ohh sorry my bad
14:04:16FromDiscord<Rika> not really much of an indicator
14:04:19FromDiscord<Rika> no
14:04:20FromDiscord<Rika> its fine
14:04:22FromDiscord<Rika> its hard to spot
14:04:25FromDiscord<Rika> took me a while too
14:04:45FromDiscord<Saint> Also is it possible to add examples to the documentation in places?
14:04:50FromDiscord<Saint> Like is that welcomed or not really
14:05:09FromDiscord<Rika> examples are usually added by putting a runnableExamples block i believe? not sure
14:12:20FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> What's the best way to organize some utility tools in a Nimble project? Say, I have a binding generator as a separate build step. Where should I put it and what should I put in the `.nimble` file?
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14:25:47FromDiscord<untoreh> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lqF
14:26:31FromDiscord<untoreh> and by possible I mean, does it leak something
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14:30:44FromDiscord<Rika> i believe p would be completely invalidated once destroy is complete
14:30:55FromDiscord<Rika> so getting a ptr to it wont do anything to keep it around
14:39:32FromDiscord<Gumbercules> In reply to @MadScientistCarl "What's the best way": Tasks
14:39:57FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> So do I put files under places like `src/tool/mytool.nim`, and add `tool/mytool` to bins?
14:40:19FromDiscord<Gumbercules> https://github.com/Tail-Wag-Games/frag/blob/master/config.nims
14:40:48FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> Should I put it under `config.nims` or the project nims file?
14:41:04FromDiscord<Gumbercules> I don't use nimble but I'd probably just make a task named build took and compile it there
14:41:32FromDiscord<Gumbercules> You could put it in the nimble file or a config.nims or a project.nims filw
14:41:36PMunch@MadScientistCarl, if you use Nimble you can do it in a similar fashion to what I do in Futhark: https://github.com/PMunch/futhark
14:41:37FromDiscord<Gumbercules> (edit) "filw" => "file"
14:41:44PMunchThe binary I build there is Opir
14:42:34FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> OK
14:43:05PMunchNote that Nimble will put your binaries in a folder that is typically added to your PATH
14:43:33PMunchSo Futhark actually just calls `opir` assuming it will be in the PATH
14:47:36FromDiscord<Saint> When getting an Option do you have to cast it as the type you're getting or something
14:47:41FromDiscord<Saint> Sorry very new to it
14:49:26PMunch@Saint, huh?
14:49:55FromDiscord<Rika> no, you call get()
14:50:05FromDiscord<Rika> https://nim-lang.org/docs/options.html#get%2COption%5BT%5D
14:50:21FromDiscord<Saint> Right, that's what I tried but I'm getting an error
14:50:29FromDiscord<Rika> most likely you're getting a none
14:50:39FromDiscord<Saint> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=
14:50:48FromDiscord<Rika> post code
14:51:01FromDiscord<Saint> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lqL
14:51:23FromDiscord<Saint> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=
14:51:32FromDiscord<Saint> https://krisppurg.github.io/dimscord/dimscord/objects.html#Message
14:51:33FromDiscord<Rika> type of `m.referenced_message`?
14:51:34FromDiscord<Saint> The obect definition is here
14:51:40FromDiscord<Saint> Its type Message
14:51:49FromDiscord<Saint> Options[Message] rather
14:51:58FromDiscord<Rika> are you sure you're looking at the correct line
14:52:01FromDiscord<Rika> look at the line numbers
14:52:08FromDiscord<Saint> (edit) "Options[Message]" => "Option[Message]"
14:52:54FromDiscord<Saint> Oh haha you're right, sorry
14:52:55FromDiscord<Saint> Thanks!
14:53:07FromDiscord<Rika> 👌
15:04:00FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> Hmm, nim LSP doesn't have a formatter?
15:04:57PMunchLike a code formatter?
15:05:05FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> Yes
15:05:10PMunchIt doesn't. But you could use nimpretty for code formatting
15:05:21FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> In Vscode, if I set the lint provider to LSP, the formatter is not available
15:05:56PMunchnimpretty is its own program
15:06:14PMunchThere might be someone who has created a VSCode extension for it, not sure
15:06:19PMunchI've never really used it
15:06:30PMunchBut I've heard that it can be a bit buggy
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15:13:17FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> Can Nim dispatch based on return value? I can't seem to get it working
15:14:28FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lqW
15:14:40FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> I am getting ambiguous call errors
15:15:08Amun-Ranope
15:18:45FromDiscord<Rika> no it cannot
15:19:33FromDiscord<Saint> What does an Owned return type do?
15:19:47FromDiscord<Saint> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lqX
15:19:49FromDiscord<Saint> https://krisppurg.github.io/dimscord/dimscord/restapi.html#deleteMessage%2CRestApi%2Cstring%2Cstring%2Cstring
15:41:57FromDiscord<Saint> I figured it out
15:42:07FromDiscord<Saint> How important is it to have hot code reloading for web dev do you think?
15:47:49FromDiscord<Rika> i believe its not important, ideally you would swap out instances via a reverse proxy since it would be simpler to do so
15:58:07FromDiscord<Saint> In reply to @Rika "i believe its not": Oh I thought I meant just for development
15:58:58FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> Do you omit parentheses in function calls?
15:58:59FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> How can I statically link with a C library please?
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16:02:15FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Saint "Oh I thought I": if you can tolerate the compile time then it is unimportant
16:02:23FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @MadScientistCarl "Do you omit parentheses": depensd on which
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16:11:33FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> How do I specify a bitset in a type?
16:13:22FromDiscord<Rika> `fieldname: set[someordinaltype]`
16:13:25FromDiscord<Rika> ?
16:13:28FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> I tried `set[MyEnum]` but it says it is not ordinal
16:13:34FromDiscord<Rika> does it have holes
16:13:43FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> I didn't specify values
16:13:49FromDiscord<Rika> what is this enum
16:14:02FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lr1
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16:14:27FromDiscord<Rika> oh ig holed enums are ordinal too
16:14:31FromDiscord<Rika> that should work yeah
16:14:32FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> OK... it has to be defined before my type
16:14:38FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> Even though it is in the same type block
16:14:52FromDiscord<Rika> it does? sounds like a bug to me, tbh
16:14:57FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> I am actually encountering this problem. I have to define enums before using them, even in the same type block
16:15:36Guest182Hi, question, how do I convert an unsigned positive integer into its signed two's complement (assuming it fits in the requisite number of bits)? Do I need to dip into C types?
16:16:35FromDiscord<Rika> if you dont mind a lack of safety you could just cast them
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16:23:09FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> Hmmm, `+` is implemented for bitsets but `+=` is not
16:23:52FromDiscord<Saint> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lr4
16:23:55FromDiscord<Saint> If I don't use a dll (for hcr) it works fine
16:24:23FromDiscord<Saint> Tried it with all different --gc but nothing worked
16:25:57FromDiscord<Saint> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lr5
16:27:47FromDiscord<hdbg> what does `_nimFrame` stand for? Doing some injection and sig scanning when suddenly it crashes with access violation in nimframe. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1064581745242013716/image.png
16:28:31FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> How do I raise an exception with dynamic message? Compiler says ValueError can raise
16:30:11FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @MadScientistCarl "How do I raise": I dont understand
16:30:29FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @hdbg "what does `_nimFrame` stand": stack frame for exception debug info
16:31:09FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lr6
16:31:29FromDiscord<enthus1ast> and with that `--useMalloc` ?↵(@Saint)
16:31:33FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> Compiler says ``formatValue(fmtRes_452984924, value, "") can raise an unlisted exception: ref ValueError`
16:31:52FromDiscord<Rika> do you have a `{.raises: [...].}` somewhere
16:33:06FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> I have `{.push raises: [].}` at module top
16:33:35FromDiscord<Rika> that's why
16:33:42FromDiscord<Rika> &"" can raise valueerror
16:33:44FromDiscord<MadScientistCarl> OK... the style guide recommends it
16:34:13FromDiscord<Rika> if you want, figure out a way to catch the valueerror, or not
16:34:16FromDiscord<Saint> In reply to @enthus1ast "and with that `--useMalloc`": I get the same thing with --d:useMalloc
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16:59:54FromDiscord<pyryrin> is it conventional to list enum values separated by commas
17:00:06FromDiscord<Rika> instead of newlines?
17:00:15FromDiscord<Rika> both are used commonly
17:00:25FromDiscord<pyryrin> which is more used
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17:00:54FromDiscord<pyryrin> i mean if you put values with new lines, is it conventional to still put commas?
17:01:35FromDiscord<Rika> if each enum is on its own line i believe having no trailing commas is conventional
17:01:45FromDiscord<Rika> if many enums are on one line i believe the converse is true
17:01:47FromDiscord<Phil> I do newlines for example
17:02:06FromDiscord<Rika> (edit) "if many ... enums" added "(but not all ofc)"
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17:08:05FromDiscord<Saint> @enthus1ast any idea what is going on?
17:08:54FromDiscord<enthus1ast> to be honest, i would make a minimal example and create a bug report in the nim repo
17:09:17FromDiscord<enthus1ast> i bet that this also happens without nimja involved
17:09:56FromDiscord<enthus1ast> or maybe someone could explain us how to use gc types between dll borders
17:12:17FromDiscord<Saint> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lra
17:12:25FromDiscord<Saint> In reply to @enthus1ast "or maybe someone could": Gotcha
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17:50:15Mister_Magisteryo, do you have some example of nice console app? like one that has standard --help and accepts -h --help params
17:50:26Mister_Magisterlike gnu tools
17:54:43FromDiscord<treeform> In reply to @Mister_Magister "yo, do you have": This lib provides a way to generate a nice linux like CLI API: https://github.com/c-blake/cligen
17:55:01FromDiscord<treeform> It gives you -h and --help but default
17:55:03Mister_Magisteryooo thats exactly what i needed thanks!
17:55:54FromDiscord<EyeCon> In reply to @Mister_Magister "yo, do you have": See also: https://bitbucket.org/maxgrenderjones/therapist/
17:56:21FromDiscord<treeform> In reply to @Mister_Magister "yooo thats exactly what": There is also https://github.com/guzba/bossy if you need some thing really simple
17:57:09Mister_Magister@EyeCon i just came bach from him…
17:57:20Mister_Magisterjokes, but thanks
17:57:22Mister_Magisteryou all
18:14:54FromDiscord<Saint> How do I set the default compile flags again for nim
18:15:15FromDiscord<Saint> Oh config.nims
19:33:25FromDiscord<@thatrandomperson5-6310e3b26da03> How would i decode a hex string, fromHex goes to a number with limited size
19:33:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `parseHexStr`
19:44:04FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> Does anyone else have this problem with 1.6.10 where nimsuggest just stops working properly when you import more than like 5 modules?
19:44:10FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> I switched to devel and it works fine now
19:51:59FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> Is it an issue with complexity? Am I perhaps using too many generics or macros?
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19:55:42FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> Might just be a vscode issue idk
20:21:56FromDiscord<ambient> i have had a couple of numsuggest dying instances. both were fixed with vscode restart
20:37:16FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> I restarted it multiple times
20:37:31FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> It would show suggestions for some files, but for my main file it wouldn't
20:37:50FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> removing one of the imports, any of them, fixed it
20:37:55FromDiscord<ambient> maybe some nimsuggest process has crashed and refuses to close?
20:38:05FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> could be it, I don't know
20:38:17FromDiscord<ambient> you can close them with task manager or the like
20:38:19FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> I imagine it's a complexity thing though
20:38:23FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> Yeah I tried that
20:38:40FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> It kept doing it even after restarting vscode multiple times, but updating to devel fixed it
20:43:41FromDiscord<djazz> nimsuggest love to spin all my cpu cores with processes, on devel, not stable
20:44:12Amun-Rabuy more cores
21:00:00FromDiscord<djazz> brb buying threadripper
21:00:04FromDiscord<djazz> xD
21:10:08FromDiscord<Leftbones> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ls6
21:10:30FromDiscord<Leftbones> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ls6" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ls7"
21:10:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What?
21:12:04FromDiscord<djazz> const FooBar = "string" 😄
21:12:47FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Leftbones "Is there a way": Do you actually want it to be the type of string or do you just want to get the assigned string out? Because this will print "string": `echo $Foo.Bar`
21:12:59FromDiscord<pyolyokh> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ls8
21:13:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ls9
21:13:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But if you're doing that you're writing some odd code
21:13:24FromDiscord<pyolyokh> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ls8" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lsa"
21:13:59FromDiscord<pyolyokh> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lsa" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lsc"
21:14:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lsd
21:14:57FromDiscord<pyolyokh> I like that but it's slightly different in that it gives you raw strings
21:15:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So then just \`Foo "string"\~
21:15:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> God damn it i'm incapable of properly backticking
21:31:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @<She>Horizon</Her> I finally got around to making the calling macro a bit smarter by using generic mixin's so now there is an interface for calling host functions
21:33:09FromDiscord<Saint> Whats the diff between waitFor and await?
21:33:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Waitfor is blocking
21:33:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Await can only be used inside an async proc
21:33:42FromDiscord<Saint> await doesn't block?
21:33:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's the entire point of async code
21:33:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Do not block on IO
21:35:11FromDiscord<Saint> await returns the future?
21:35:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Neither return the future
21:35:33FromDiscord<Saint> Hmmmm
21:35:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> await says "here give up the CPU to run this async proc, if any other async procs can also run, great!
21:36:26FromDiscord<Saint> OKay I think I get it thanks!
21:36:58FromDiscord<deech> Some interesting discussion on Nim here: https://lobste.rs/s/5tx54f/thoughts_on_zig
21:37:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> waitfor says "We're blocking until the async procedure i'm calling is done"
21:38:05FromDiscord<Saint> In reply to @deech "Some interesting discussion on": Isn't it just the one comment?
21:38:15FromDiscord<Saint> That you see everywhere about people hating the import namespace stuff with nim
21:43:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The only hate you see more is the style insensitivity
21:45:43FromDiscord<pyolyokh> Nim isn't quite to my preference there either, but it's a really minor gripe, and Nim's imports are in line with the language. Go/Zig/Odin importing a namespace and accessing 100% of features through it? Well, forget about operator overloading, even nice stuff like tables' `[]` procs. D imports where you can explicitly import classes and get all their associated behavior? Well, Nim isn't that object oriented... but a 'smart import' is an
21:46:30FromDiscord<ambient> I don't understand what's the criticism with Nim imports
21:46:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well araq seems to think that type bound operators will resolve that
21:46:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But it's an easily broken thing
21:46:58FromDiscord<leorize> isn't `waitFor` pretty much the same as `await` except that `await` have some magic to prevent deadlock from self-wait?
21:47:00FromDiscord<pyolyokh> speaking of Zig, Andrew's line is that he wants it to be a language that people use despite hating it. Imports and style sensitivity are something people would easily just deal with, despite hating, if not for more substantial complaints that aren't as easy to point to.
21:47:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You might be right, i though waitfor dispatched only the specific await
21:47:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> i mean async
21:47:50FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> honestly nim's imports are great. The only time it's ever a mild issue is when you import two modules that have something with the same name
21:47:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I probably shouldnt speak about async given i rarely use it
21:48:03FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> I hate namespaced imports
21:48:15FromDiscord<pyolyokh> In reply to @Dumb Dragon "honestly nim's imports are": I don't have conflicts, just the occasional annoyance at not being able to immediately know where a symbol is coming from
21:48:19FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> don't make me dig through 15 layers of obscure modules for one function
21:48:25FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> In reply to @pyolyokh "I don't have conflicts,": that's fair
21:48:27FromDiscord<ambient> oh right it's the import in Python terms. I do prefer explicit namespacing
21:48:46FromDiscord<Hourglass> In reply to @Elegantbeef "<@909883978717204561> I finally got": Oh, for Wasm3? Neat!
21:48:48FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> I absolutely loathe rust for this reason though
21:48:54FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> and a few other reasons
21:48:57FromDiscord<Hourglass> I've just been burnt out so haven't been coding as much as I'd like sadly
21:49:05FromDiscord<leorize> nim's `import` is nothing like `import ` in python, though
21:49:07FromDiscord<ambient> Rust imports are a little awkward because it filesystem independent
21:49:21FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> but having to type `use std::something::someotherthing` over and over makes me hate myself
21:49:21FromDiscord<pyolyokh> In reply to @ambient "oh right it's the": In Nim terms, Python's default is `from someMod import nil`
21:49:25FromDiscord<ambient> In reply to @leorize "nim's `import` is nothing": how so? the only diff I see is exports are explicit
21:49:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea horizon i even have a `extractAs` macro to mimic the C macros it has https://github.com/beef331/wasm3/blob/master/tests/test1.nim#L121-L126
21:50:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I guess extract as is a template 😄
21:50:16FromDiscord<Saint> In reply to @Dumb Dragon "don't make me dig": What do you mean, just like typing it out?
21:50:34FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> idk what I mean to be honest
21:50:40FromDiscord<Saint> It does seem a bit scary where you never know where a function is coming from in nim
21:50:42FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> I just hate `::`
21:50:51FromDiscord<leorize> python `import ` conflicts are kinda fatal↵(@ambient)
21:50:52FromDiscord<Saint> If your lsp isn’t setup right
21:50:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So spooky!↵(@Saint)
21:50:58FromDiscord<Saint> Which can happen a lot
21:51:01FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> It's also why I love uniform function call syntax
21:51:17FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> because you could just do `thing.` and your ide will give you all the suggestions
21:51:20FromDiscord<Saint> It isn’t really working always right for me in neovim
21:51:21FromDiscord<ambient> In reply to @leorize "python `import *` conflicts": IMO pytho import is kinda fatal already 😂
21:51:40FromDiscord<Hourglass> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Yea horizon i even": Hm does `extractAs(a, int32, sp, mem)` also declare `a` via the macro? Was slightly confused for a sec because i didn't see a previous definition of it
21:52:05FromDiscord<ambient> although I understand why Nim doesn't do explicit namespacing considering how it's function calls work
21:52:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I write code in unsetup nvim at times with Nim, no problem
21:52:07FromDiscord<leorize> nim have glorious types so it can handle conflicts \:p
21:52:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> mind even
21:52:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You just need to have the entire Nim stdlib ingrained in your mined
21:52:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes it does
21:52:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It mimics the C macros that wasm3 has
21:52:35FromDiscord<ambient> the problem with very limited namespacing is other peoples code
21:52:39FromDiscord<Hourglass> But this is hella cool tho! I really should try to continue MineMachine soon
21:52:46FromDiscord<ambient> with Python I immediately know where the function is coming from
21:52:49FromDiscord<Hourglass> In reply to @Elegantbeef "It mimics the C": Yeah makes sense ^^
21:53:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I also fixed it so you can install wasm3 without having to git clone manually
21:53:03FromDiscord<Saint> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I write code in": Writing is diff from checking out a project or working on a code base rifbt
21:53:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Turns out nimble has `skipDirs`
21:53:09FromDiscord<Dumb Dragon> In reply to @ambient "the problem with very": yeah that's true
21:53:16FromDiscord<Saint> There’s no way to tell where a proc is defined
21:53:26FromDiscord<Hourglass> In reply to @Elegantbeef "*I also fixed it": Hah sweet!
21:53:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I dont know if that's really a big deal
21:53:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I might just be too deep in the koolaid
21:53:49FromDiscord<Hourglass> It's a little less work for me heh
21:54:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean the other conversation
21:54:09FromDiscord<Hourglass> Aah fair
21:54:41FromDiscord<Hourglass> In reply to @Saint "There’s no way to": Idk about others but the nimsaem Nim extension works well from my experience, lets me find definitions and uses easily
21:55:07FromDiscord<Saint> Oh that's for vscode?
21:55:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I might just be too deep, since i generally pull the source of any library i'm using up
21:55:33FromDiscord<leorize> as long as nimsuggest doesn't hate your project everything should work well
21:55:44FromDiscord<leorize> the problem is that it's very easy to get nimsuggest to hate your project \:p
21:56:05FromDiscord<Saint> I'm sure it isn't that bad, just have to get a bit used to it
21:56:09FromDiscord<pyolyokh> and that's an example of a substantive problem that's harder to talk about vs. trivia like style sensitivity and imports
21:56:14FromDiscord<leorize> yea that won't work in today's economy beef
21:56:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Damn
21:56:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Off to chatgpt i guess, "how to do X in Nim"
21:57:10FromDiscord<Array in ∀ Matrix> [@Elegantbeef](https://matrix.to/#/%40elegantbeef%3Amatrix.org) can i ask for a favor? can you critic my nim code↵https://git.arrayinamatrix.xyz/array-in-a-matrix/multrix
21:57:14FromDiscord<pyolyokh> "I don't like Nim's imports." - timeless, unassailable. Neither the language nor your position are likely to change. People will nod and move along.↵"The tooling breaks and I can't look symbols up." - well gosh why don't you fix it?
21:57:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That implies we havent tried to fix it
21:57:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea i love telling people their code is shit, so will do
21:58:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `preform` dont let rika see this typo
21:58:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> perform 😄
21:58:35FromDiscord<Hourglass> In reply to @leorize "the problem is that": Hah yep
22:01:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There you go array
22:02:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lsj
22:02:30FromDiscord<leorize> shouldn't this be fixed first?
22:02:46FromDiscord<leorize> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1064666042678399046/image.png
22:03:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I only fix code
22:03:13FromDiscord<leorize> oh lol I just realized it's the cross operator
22:03:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I dont know how to read unicode i only have 255 characters, reject unicode
22:03:59FromDiscord<Array in ∀ Matrix> this because of this symbol  ×
22:04:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'd also say "use the `result` variable\`
22:04:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Instead of `var matrix =` just do `result =` and remove the `return`
22:05:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm sure leo is writing a strongly worded "fuck the result variable" 😛
22:05:24FromDiscord<Array in ∀ Matrix> lol
22:05:36FromDiscord<leorize> instead of `paramStr(0).endsWith(...)`, use `getAppFilename().extractFilename()`
22:06:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's slightly fancier splitPath
22:06:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You define a `type vector = ...` all the way at the bottom of your file inside a procedure, when you use that type you alias elsewhere
22:06:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also type's should be captialised
22:06:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `for i in 0..2` is more idiomatic
22:07:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `countUp` is generally just used when you want to use that `step` optional
22:07:21FromDiscord<leorize> also that `case` in `main` can be moved to a dedicated proc
22:08:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `vector1[1]vector2[2] - vector1[2]vector2[1]` is more conventionally written `vector1[1] vector2[2] - vector1[2] vector2[1]`
22:08:13FromDiscord<Array in ∀ Matrix> i see
22:08:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This depends on what you're after but you might want to do `stdout.write "Enter Item: ";stdout.flushFile` instead of `echo`
22:09:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It doesnt move the cursor to the next line so it can look 'better'
22:09:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though there is `rdstdin` that has `readLineFromStdin`
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22:10:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> what's with the `#?` comment?
22:11:28FromDiscord<Array in ∀ Matrix> i use a vscode extension to auto color comments depending on the symbol infront of the
22:12:10FromDiscord<Array in ∀ Matrix> SS\_16.01.2023\_17\:11\:58.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1064668411260575804/SS_16.01.2023_171158.png
22:12:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `var m = newSeqWith(0, newSeq[float](0))` now that's a funny line
22:12:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What a complicated `var m: seq[seq[float]]`
22:12:47FromDiscord<Array in ∀ Matrix> lmao
22:13:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well i dont see much else to comment on
22:14:00FromDiscord<Array in ∀ Matrix> honestly this was my first nim project and i dove straight into it reading the documentation whenever i couldnt figure something out
22:14:23FromDiscord<Array in ∀ Matrix> thank you so much though for the feedback!
22:14:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well you wrote the code well enough
22:14:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's not the worst Nim i've seen
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22:15:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> there are 2 repos on github that are up there, but i dare not share them here
22:18:44FromDiscord<Array in ∀ Matrix> the does nim documentation mention being able to put multiple items into one \`of\` line?
22:18:57FromDiscord<Array in ∀ Matrix> cause i knew nim can do it but i didnt find it
22:35:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#statements-and-expressions-case-statement
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22:52:34FromDiscord<hmmm> yay I finished my newest toy app creation, should I bother with windows registry to associate some fantasy name extensions to my spiffy exe icon? or big pants boys do it another way?
22:53:39FromDiscord<hmmm> now that I think about it, myfile.fantasy looks spiffy 🫣
23:04:29FromDiscord<Yasuke> So why do nested loops only stop after the first iteration and what should I do
23:05:48FromDiscord<Yasuke> (edit) "So why do nested ... loops" added "for"
23:14:07FromDiscord<Yasuke> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4lsu
23:24:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you need to open the file twice or do `for dog in lines("test.txt")`
23:42:47FromDiscord<Yasuke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "you need to open": oh interesting
23:42:49FromDiscord<Yasuke> thank you
23:57:26FromDiscord<Yasuke> Anyway of detecting if seq is empty/nil and if string is empty/nil ?
23:57:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `.len == 0`
23:58:47FromDiscord<Yasuke> In reply to @Elegantbeef "`.len == 0`": ah thank you