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| 00:07:11 | Araq | (btw I don't mind helper programs that generate code, can be easier to maintain. And sometimes Nim's VM is just too slow) |
| 00:12:12 | FromDiscord_ | <exelotl> yeah in the end I think this is not a bad approach, by going through C I get finer control over how the data is stored (e.g. mark it as const so that it goes into the .rodata section of the elf) and can easily get pointers to it |
| 00:13:13 | FromDiscord_ | <exelotl> currently if I use --os:standalone --gc:regions I get "Error: system module needs: echoBinSafe" |
| 00:13:34 | FromDiscord_ | <exelotl> so I can't really test whether the unicode tables are optimised away in that case |
| 00:14:57 | FromDiscord_ | <Generic> why doesn't the unicode table end up in cartridge ROM? |
| 00:15:14 | FromDiscord_ | <Generic> afaik it goes up to 32 MB |
| 00:16:06 | FromDiscord_ | <Generic> I mean it would be still better if would just disappear if not actually used |
| 00:16:31 | FromDiscord_ | <exelotl> that's never really been a problem because I can't import the unicode module anyway. It's more that the system module generates a lot of runtime type info that I don't want. |
| 00:20:12 | FromDiscord_ | <exelotl> (that is, when I try to use something other than gc:none which would allow me to import the unicode module) |
| 00:23:03 | FromDiscord_ | <exelotl> but yeah it's not a big problem because I'm getting by fine with gc:none, I just wanted to voice my concern that whatever replaces it needs to be equally light when it comes to runtime stuff generated when building the system module. |
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| 00:24:59 | FromDiscord_ | <Generic> hm, I find it quite fascinating how Nim scales for so many platforms |
| 00:26:02 | FromDiscord_ | <Generic> though that also means that there are quite a lot of voices to be heard |
| 00:26:13 | Araq | well if you use --os:standalone we don't know how to implement 'echo', that's kinda fair |
| 00:26:54 | FromDiscord_ | <exelotl> yeah but I never called echo, this happens for an empty program |
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| 00:28:50 | FromDiscord_ | <Generic> fail faster, imho it's better than the C approach, e.g. an unresolved function prototype only yields an error if it's called |
| 00:32:16 | Araq | maybe --gc:regions uses echo :P |
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| 01:52:57 | Jessica2432 | http://www.urlbeat.net/AcQV4 |
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| 02:09:25 | smitop | Why doesn't ` |
| 02:09:25 | smitop | var textureNum: GLuint = 0 |
| 02:09:25 | smitop | glGenTexture(1, addr textureNum) |
| 02:09:25 | smitop | ` work? I get a "Illegal storage access" error |
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| 08:22:44 | FromGitter | <Varriount> smitop: Perhaps another part of the program is erroring? |
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| 08:30:32 | Araq | loadExtensions() missing? |
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| 08:40:19 | zyklon | o/ |
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| 09:02:24 | Araq | \o |
| 09:09:15 | FromGitter | <mratsim> How do you use the compiler as a library? I need hash tables and hash sets functionality on ref object (representing my custom AST) at compile-time (and also at run-time but I can cast to pointer here). It seems like everything is in compiler/ast and compiler/astalgo. |
| 09:12:51 | Araq | tcompilerapi is the name of the test iirc |
| 09:15:43 | FromGitter | <mratsim> ah it's to interpret/compile other nim files. you cannot cross the NimNode-->PNode boundary it seems. |
| 09:25:51 | FromGitter | <mratsim> looking into mEqRef magic, seems like rkNodeAddress would give me a unique Id for ref objects in the VM. |
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| 09:41:33 | Araq | it seemed possible to unify NimNode and PNode the last time I thought about it but I don't remember the details and it seems very dangerous |
| 09:51:37 | FromGitter | <mratsim> Opened a RFCs, I think this would be enough: https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/131 |
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| 10:20:10 | enow | anybody got some documentations on hwo to use flow variables |
| 10:20:44 | leorize | the Flow[T] from threadpool? |
| 10:24:01 | enow | yeah |
| 10:24:21 | leorize | http://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/threadpool |
| 10:24:29 | leorize | every possible operation can be found there |
| 10:25:33 | FromGitter | <mratsim> also: https://github.com/dom96/nim-in-action-code/blob/master/Chapter3/ChatApp/src/client.nim#L39-L50 |
| 10:26:23 | FromGitter | <mratsim> and if you want to use raw threads directly: https://github.com/yglukhov/nimx/blob/master/nimx/private/worker_queue.nim |
| 10:28:24 | enow | is it possible / meaningful to implement your own flowvar utilizinginterfaces |
| 10:28:49 | enow | say if I have a time consuming CPU based process and I want to have the other end of the code access it as if it where standard IO |
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| 11:10:57 | FromGitter | <mratsim> there are no interfaces but you can implement them yourself, you can check Nim implementation as reference: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/master/lib/pure/concurrency/threadpool.nim#L96 |
| 11:12:13 | FromGitter | <mratsim> I'm not sure what you mean by accessing another process. |
| 11:12:31 | FromGitter | <mratsim> You need some kind of inter process communication like Sockets |
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| 11:14:53 | FromGitter | <mratsim> if by process you mean threads, you can also use shared memory parallelism, by sending a pointer to a memory, or use Nim channels to communicate through messages |
| 11:16:23 | FromGitter | <mratsim> also if your task is not CPU-intensive but IO intensive (network, read/write from disk), async is more suited for this. |
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| 13:44:45 | FromGitter | <arnetheduck> what's the best place to read up on `sink T`? |
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| 14:47:47 | FromGitter | <kaushalmodi> I am hearing about "sink T" a lot |
| 14:47:52 | FromGitter | <kaushalmodi> what is it? |
| 14:48:24 | FromGitter | <kaushalmodi> Is that a CS concept, pointers to where I can learn the prereqs? |
| 14:48:27 | FromGitter | <kaushalmodi> just curious |
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| 16:14:41 | leorize | arnetheduck, kaushalmodi: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/Destructors#sink-parameters |
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| 17:01:03 | FromDiscord | <treeform> Is it possible to compile tell the C compiler to compile in release mode, while keeping nim not in release mode (so that asserts and stack traces still work)? |
| 17:01:15 | FromDiscord | <treeform> Using vcc |
| 17:03:56 | FromDiscord | <treeform> Basically my code is slow when not in release mode, but its hard to develop in release mode because no stack traces. |
| 17:04:57 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> could you do it with --passC:"my option" ? |
| 17:06:03 | FromDiscord | <treeform> hmm it looks liked --opt:speed helped |
| 17:08:19 | FromDiscord | <treeform> hmm I did --passC:O2 that was slow |
| 17:08:37 | FromDiscord | <treeform> I think its the nim stack traces and bounds checks that are making the code slow |
| 17:08:40 | FromDiscord | <treeform> not the generated C |
| 17:08:48 | FromDiscord | <treeform> --opt:speed might be turning them off? |
| 17:09:04 | FromDiscord | <treeform> just like -d:release |
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| 17:17:44 | leorize | treeform: couldn't you just -d:release --stacktrace:on? |
| 17:17:50 | leorize | see --fullhelp for more flags |
| 17:18:20 | leorize | @treeform (in case discord bot don't understand IRC pings) |
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| 17:22:34 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> haha it's actually @treeform |
| 17:34:01 | FromDiscord | <treeform> Ha, I'll try it! |
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| 17:58:34 | stefantalpalaru | Hi. Is it possible to pass arbitrary arguments to .nims scripts? Besides the task name, in something like: "nim task_name script.nims". |
| 18:00:38 | stefantalpalaru | I see paramStr() and paramCount() here: https://nim-lang.org/docs/nimscript.html |
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| 18:10:22 | stefantalpalaru | Those work, but '-r' needs to be the first param, the task name the second and all others need to be valid compiler arguments: "nim -r task_name -d:foo=bar script.nims" - now paramStr(3) is "-d:foo=bar" |
| 18:42:38 | stefantalpalaru | Another problem is that those parameters also apply to the compiler. |
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| 18:57:08 | stefantalpalaru | "-r" is not actually required - just a misleading error message from params not understood by the compiler |
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| 20:11:03 | kobi7 | hi guys, what am I doing wrong here? https://gist.github.com/kobi2187/a6f8886ebac291648f685fcaf215c6b8 |
| 20:15:27 | leorize | kobi7: so what's the problem? |
| 20:16:11 | kobi7 | when I run it, I get Error: unhandled exception: index 0 not in 0 .. -1 [IndexError] |
| 20:17:01 | kobi7 | in line that has readbytes |
| 20:18:06 | leorize | you haven't allocated your seq yet |
| 20:19:04 | leorize | also, this code will fail for empty file, so please watch out for that |
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| 20:20:12 | leorize | kobi7: newSeq[byte] filesize + 1 |
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| 20:20:20 | leorize | ^ use that to initialize the seq and everything should work |
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| 20:23:40 | kobi7 | thank you leorize ! |
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| 20:24:06 | kobi7 | I thought seq grows on its own |
| 20:24:23 | leorize | yes, only if the code excepts seq |
| 20:24:30 | kobi7 | wasn't @[] enough? |
| 20:24:34 | leorize | the proc you were using expected an array |
| 20:25:01 | kobi7 | expected var openarray |
| 20:25:01 | leorize | a pre-allocated one |
| 20:25:12 | leorize | yea, those aren't seq |
| 20:25:18 | leorize | seq just happen to fit there |
| 20:25:31 | kobi7 | oh, i thought it was the interface, that both seq and array fulfill |
| 20:26:00 | leorize | yea, it was |
| 20:26:11 | kobi7 | btw, why filesize +1 ? and yes, i know I hadn't handled exceptions, it was simplified to make the point |
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| 20:26:28 | leorize | because it'll crash for empty file :P |
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| 20:28:07 | kobi7 | hmm I think it should just return the empty array/seq, as that's what the file had if it was empty |
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| 20:28:45 | kobi7 | the error msg was not very good. i couldn't figure out myself how to do it, and there were no examples. |
| 20:29:05 | kobi7 | maybe it's standard practice for c/c++ guys |
| 20:29:17 | kobi7 | I just come from a different background |
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| 20:29:58 | leorize | the best way to get the hang of these is to just read the source |
| 20:30:04 | leorize | they aren't too complicated |
| 20:30:09 | leorize | but yea, the docs should be improved |
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| 20:37:01 | kobi7 | thanks for the help leorize, it really did help me progress further, so thanks again |
| 20:37:06 | kobi7 | see you for now, |
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