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00:03:19FromDiscord<nasuray> Another hosted option is substack
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01:38:58FromDiscord<Jack S.> There is also [Cactus Comments](https://cactus.chat/), which is powered by Matrix.↵(@mitranim)
02:04:38FromDiscord<kapendev> I just post on dev.to and that's it.
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03:44:55tokyovigilanteIf I have a bunch of C dependencies wrapped, am I better doing "passL:-l<lib>" in the individual wrapper .nim file, or nim.cfg? Finding it unwieldy to have them in nim.cfg when building single files, often on machines where not all the libs are installed/available, and just wondering if there's a downside to having them passed to the linker just where they're wrapped
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06:26:46FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @systemblue2010 "WordPress, Feather, Medium, Wix?": all of these are bad choices for a technical audience (and for your own sanity). medium is the least bad, but it's still pretty bad.↵↵instead, yeah, use a static site generator and host it on something like github pages. I personally use hugo after having used jekyll for years, but the bigger flex would be to write your own SSG (for example in Nim, if your blog is about N
06:26:50FromDiscord<nnsee> it's easier than you'd think
06:26:53FromDiscord<nnsee> or so i've heard
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06:42:55FromDiscord<ayex> if the main goal is to write about nim, why not using an existing ssg?
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06:46:15FromDiscord<nnsee> that's fine as an option
06:46:19FromDiscord<nnsee> which is why i said "flex"
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07:00:24FromDiscord<systemblue2010> but I want to promote Nim to common developers↵so accessibility is important
07:00:53FromDiscord<systemblue2010> who would see github pages to read blog
07:02:52FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @systemblue2010 "who would see github": many people? Hook it up to your domain, and crosspost the blog page to a few sites
07:04:32FromDiscord<kapendev> You will probably get most of your views from sharing you blog on X, Reddit, Discord, ...
07:08:13FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> or by blowing up on hacker news :D
07:13:10FromDiscord<systemblue2010> I want blog site that developer can easily access and read
07:14:01FromDiscord<systemblue2010> I know the best way to get views is posting on reddit↵but reddit is just talking not blog
07:14:58FromDiscord<kiloneie> dev.to seems like your fit... idk. Maybe a github discussion thread, you can have a forum there.
07:15:35FromDiscord<kiloneie> If you want people to follow you daily and such, github with a forum, wher you can properly link things, may be the best solution
07:15:46FromDiscord<nnsee> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/JmTrcmyi
07:15:47FromDiscord<kiloneie> And then you can have some githubpage as well
07:16:13FromDiscord<nnsee> i don't have any numbers to back my claims up, so take them with a grain of salt
07:16:49FromDiscord<nnsee> but i've spent a very long time on the internet and HN reading articles, and host my own little blog that has blown up on HN once or twice
07:17:17FromDiscord<kiloneie> I find hacker news, really hard to read <.<.
07:17:32FromDiscord<nnsee> wdym? it's literally just a list of posts
07:17:36FromDiscord<nnsee> coulnd't get any simpler
07:18:18FromDiscord<kiloneie> Yeh, the simplicity of things, is making my eyes hurt, let's say, too condensed ? I would of hoped for some improvements.
07:18:29FromDiscord<kiloneie> Might be just me...
07:18:34FromDiscord<systemblue2010> you mean ↵developer who don't know Nim will never click the Nim Guide or Nim tutorial ↵but developer who are interested in Nim or minor compilers will click it?
07:19:26FromDiscord<kiloneie> I will say from the perspective of my Nim Videos, if they were only hosted by me and shared on Nim's forum/website, NOBODY else would see them. But YouTube allows for non-Nim viewers to come.
07:19:26FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @systemblue2010 "you mean developer": it depends on the article, but unless the topic is something novel or otherwise interesting, yeah
07:20:00FromDiscord<kiloneie> Catchy title, with a good follow up and or graphics and such, and you got someone to stay for a minute, that doesn't already know Nim.
07:20:25FromDiscord<nnsee> i think the user flow economics are wildly different on youtube than on any cms/blogging platforms
07:20:40FromDiscord<kiloneie> Yeh, but there is substance to what i am saying.
07:20:54FromDiscord<nnsee> starting from the fact that youtube by default automatically plays a related video next ending with how the algorithm works
07:21:02FromDiscord<kiloneie> You get discoverability on public websites.
07:21:03FromDiscord<nnsee> maybe
07:21:22FromDiscord<nnsee> and my opinions for sure are biased
07:21:27FromDiscord<nnsee> but they're just that, opinions
07:21:34FromDiscord<nnsee> personally, i cannot stand medium. i actively avoid medium articles
07:21:36FromDiscord<kiloneie> I'd say, write down your options, chain of thought their pros and cons, and decide. Take your time.
07:22:04FromDiscord<kiloneie> Never rush into big decisions, it only leads to chaos.
07:22:30FromDiscord<kiloneie> Unless you were somehow born under the luckiest of stars.
07:22:37FromDiscord<kiloneie> I wasn't.
07:23:50FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @kiloneie "I will say from": also, re: i think the parallel is a bit misleading since you don't really have a choice. hosting videos anywhere else but youtube is, while _technically possible_, incredibly unreasonable, which is absolutely not the case for blog content
07:24:34FromDiscord<kiloneie> In reply to @nnsee "also, re: i think": Yeh... there is PeerTube... but it's not really taking off yet. I wish for decentralization like that.
07:24:39FromDiscord<kiloneie> I cannot host though...
07:25:09FromDiscord<kiloneie> Vimeo got me like 10 views... Google has too many monopolies.
07:25:12FromDiscord<kiloneie> It's absurd.
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07:32:02FromDiscord<systemblue2010> In reply to @nnsee "also, re: i think": hey are you moderator?↵did you join developing Nim compiler?
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07:59:44FromDiscord<nnsee> I'm a community moderator
08:00:04FromDiscord<nnsee> I don't work on the compiler, I leave that to smarter people than me :)
08:02:48FromDiscord<kiloneie> `if (line[index].startsWith(" ")) and (line[index].contains("import")):` Are both statements checked at ALL times, or is the second only checked, marked by the `and`, if the first one is true ?↵↵Because if both are checked always, i will nest the other one instead.
08:03:36FromDiscord<nnsee> the second one isn't checked if the first evaluates to false
08:03:40FromDiscord<nnsee> this is called short circuiting
08:04:05FromDiscord<nnsee> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-circuit_evaluation?useskin=vector
08:04:10FromDiscord<kiloneie> Ah, good then.
08:07:44Amun-Raif the evaluation of the first expression is going to be final (no following evaluation is going to change the result), the evaluation stops
08:08:20FromDiscord<nevillegg> In reply to @nnsee "I'm a community moderator": White nametag is extremely hard to know which is a mod and which is a user
08:08:36FromDiscord<kiloneie> In reply to @Amun-Ra "if the evaluation of": This chains i presume ?
08:08:42FromDiscord<kiloneie> this and this and this and
08:09:43Amun-Rakiloneie: yes, and "this or this or this"
08:10:09FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @nevillegg "White nametag is extremely": I don't think that's a distinction that needs to be made obvious at all times. I'm just a regular guy like everyone else here most of the time, unless some moderative action needs to be taken (which is pretty rarely)
08:10:18Amun-Rain "t1 or t2 or t3" if t1 is true, the result is true no matter what t2 and t3 is
08:10:57FromDiscord<kiloneie> In reply to @nnsee "I don't think that's": Same this with verified on YT, people quickly started hating it.
08:11:06FromDiscord<kiloneie> Oh look a big shot...
08:11:11FromDiscord<kiloneie> Huge implications there
08:23:57FromDiscord<kiloneie> `(line[index+1]).removePrefix(Whitespace)` why is this erroring ? I can do dedent(highNumber, or strip(haven't tried) instead, but... i'd prefer this one...
08:26:39FromDiscord<kiloneie> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1428298081266307205/Screenshot_2025-10-16_10-26-32.png?ex=68f1fdbf&is=68f0ac3f&hm=203443cab5c98cf9f6dc892f72ef667cd35fa07b9fcd547c4a5da7961f9c0400&
08:32:28Amun-RaremovePrefix(…): void
08:33:26Amun-Rasee https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=bYwukxtg
08:36:19FromDiscord<nnsee> in layman's terms, `removePrefix` doesn't return anything and instead operates on the string in-place, but you're trying to echo the return value (which doesn't exist)
08:36:30FromDiscord<nnsee> i think you want to `echo line[index+1]` instead
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11:27:14FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @kiloneie "`(line[index+1]).removePrefix(Whitespace)` why is t": You could use `dup` from `std/sugar`
11:27:38FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> `dup(line[index+1], removePrefix(Whitespace))` I believe
11:46:15FromDiscord<heysokam> Does someone know how the compiler checks if a string is a keyword?↵I'm creating a random nim code generator, and I'd love to use it myself too↵But don't know if there is such a function or where it would be 🤔
11:48:08FromDiscord<mitranim> You could parse keywords out of `nim/doc/keywords.txt`
11:49:42FromDiscord<heysokam> That seems doable, yes. But the compiler has to be doing that already somehow, right? 🤔
11:50:09FromDiscord<heysokam> Also, `grammar.txt` wasn't fully complete, so I'm expecting the same type of "issue" with this other file
11:50:38FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @heysokam "That seems doable, yes.": https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/compiler/lexer.nim#L38
11:52:10FromDiscord<heysokam> In reply to @nnsee "https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/compiler": Oh, its using an enum, which seems likely they'd be accessing it with a range for the keywords check. I see↵Ty Ras, this should be reliable and simple enough ✍️
11:54:03FromDiscord<mitranim> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=qSkVHkAm
11:57:15FromDiscord<nnsee> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=RoqiDCiH
11:57:20FromDiscord<heysokam> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=ICGhgJYv
11:57:26FromDiscord<heysokam> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=kQxZeOyx" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=AzAmrItA"
12:01:35FromDiscord<kiloneie> In reply to @battery.acid.bubblegum "You could use `dup`": Workout, lunch and nap take a while... During the end of the workout i started thinking of my error, void, and i thought yet i saw `dup` somewhere, i tried that real quick finishing my workout, not in system, then i had to shower and all.
12:06:54FromDiscord<heysokam> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=TRRtfTqL
12:10:27FromDiscord<heysokam> Oh, its `TokType` not `TokKind` 🤦‍♂️
12:21:01FromDiscord<kiloneie> How do i: `line.add r"import ".." / ".." / BuiltIn / Window / defaultWindowConstants"` Idk how to deal with """"""""""
12:28:16FromDiscord<kiloneie> In reply to @kiloneie "How do i: `line.add": Ugh, the lsp bugging out, made me think, """ """ doesn't work
12:28:31FromDiscord<kiloneie> Often very useful, sometimes, i wanna b slap it...
12:28:38FromDiscord<kiloneie> 50 bazillion fake errors.
12:29:27FromDiscord<kiloneie> Is 1 space between em good, or ? `line.add """ "import ".." / ".." / BuiltIn / Window / defaultWindowConstants".escape("\"") """`
13:22:27FromDiscord<heysokam> In reply to @kiloneie "Is 1 space between": you can also say `"""\"` and it will work, afair. But adding a space will fix it yep↵I had a similar issue with a code generator
13:28:23FromDiscord<heysokam> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=cBNlQTKh
13:28:56FromDiscord<heysokam> Its awful, and I'm sure it has edge case bugs. But just in case it helps
13:29:28FromDiscord<kiloneie> I would of made that into 2-4 times as many lines
13:29:48FromDiscord<kiloneie> condensed code hurts my brain xD
13:30:01FromDiscord<kiloneie> Yours is not that bad though(for me).
13:30:29FromDiscord<heysokam> Yea, I'm aware. People hate my coding style. Idm the bashing
13:31:07FromDiscord<kiloneie> I hate it when people abbreviate, already short words... or, use some incredibly bad variable names, that only they at that moment in time understood, and then require a manual of comments to understand...
13:31:29FromDiscord<kiloneie> (Not you)
13:31:30FromDiscord<heysokam> Pretty much, yea
13:31:42FromDiscord<heysokam> I hate it the same
13:33:50FromDiscord<kiloneie> I can't remember the examples right now, but i know where to find them, but `cmp` for `compare` is good. Whilst `n` instead of `num` for "number", i hate that, i also hate `numb` instead of `num`.
13:33:51FromDiscord<heysokam> Triple string literals are not in the grammar file, afair.↵But `"""""""` is not a valid triple string literal containing`"`. That much I remember
13:34:38FromDiscord<kiloneie> I pretty much use "index" instead of "i". I can't...
13:34:56FromDiscord<kiloneie> I mean i can, but... add "j" in the mixx and some more, and im freaking done D:
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13:35:10FromDiscord<heysokam> In reply to @kiloneie "I pretty much use": I use `id` or `it` for `i`.. but overal having actual sentry variable names is 10000x better
13:35:32FromDiscord<kiloneie> Wdym by sentry ?
13:36:03FromDiscord<heysokam> `for id in list: ...` here `id` is the sentry variable
13:36:42FromDiscord<mitranim> Over the years I've settled at using 3-letter names for as many things as I can 😅 Many of them are "standardized" in that they signify specific roles
13:36:47FromDiscord<mitranim> (edit) "at" => "on"
13:36:48FromDiscord<heysokam> in C it would be `for (int id = 0; id < list.len; ++id) { ... }`, which makes it more obvious that it is actually a scoped variable
13:37:12FromDiscord<mitranim> 1-2 is too short, and over 3 is often unnecessary to express meaning
13:37:22FromDiscord<mitranim> (edit) "over 3" => ">=4"
13:37:49FromDiscord<kiloneie> In reply to @heysokam "in C it would": Personally in that example, i'd actually prefer `i` over `id`, it's a different word entirely...
13:38:51FromDiscord<kiloneie> In reply to @mitranim "1-2 is too short,": I usually over express myself, but when it starts getting too long with the mix of othe variables, that is when i start thinking of cutting them down a bit, but i prefer `player.position.x`, over `player.x`
13:40:11FromDiscord<heysokam> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/EoXovldI
13:41:15FromDiscord<heysokam> In reply to @kiloneie "Personally in that example,": `i` means nothing. `id` means `index` or `identifier` intuitively (which is exactly what they are
13:42:37FromDiscord<heysokam> In reply to @kiloneie "I usually over express": yea, in the `player.x` case its better to see where the `x` axis is being read from, since it could be a vector indicating something else other than position (like velocity, for example)
13:43:34FromDiscord<kiloneie> In reply to @heysokam "`i` means nothing. `id`": I never had identifier in mind for `i`... well blame school for that... it was in weird Slovenian explanation.
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14:01:11FromDiscord<kiloneie> Why does the top `getModuleName` error, but the one commented out, inside `moduleStart`, works !? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1428382267570524211/Screenshot_2025-10-16_16-00-20.png?ex=68f24c26&is=68f0faa6&hm=072617b5dc4157b34b10072b7c2bb0bfc20db9ff7b0cdcc98889aa3ed8de9775&
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14:42:27FromDiscord<kiloneie> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=LlkweQKV
14:43:08FromDiscord<mitranim> Align `of` with `case`
14:44:38FromDiscord<lainlaylie> is it to do with `end` being a keyword?
14:46:37FromDiscord<mitranim> I misunderstood the question, and apparently `case` doesn't need alignment huh
14:47:15FromDiscord<mitranim> you're right about `end` here
14:47:22FromDiscord<mitranim> it's even syntax highlighted
14:47:31FromDiscord<lainlaylie> it doesnt need need it, but really theres no reason not to write it correctly
14:47:48FromDiscord<kiloneie> In reply to @mitranim "it's even syntax highlighted": Not in Zed D:
14:48:08FromDiscord<kiloneie> What is end used for ?
14:48:31FromDiscord<lainlaylie> you might have to do some archaeology to find the answer
14:49:05FromDiscord<lainlaylie> is it for closing blocks in source code filters or something?
14:50:00FromDiscord<kiloneie> I really don't like using "finish" instead <.<.................................
14:52:10FromDiscord<mitranim> Skimmed Nim sources and couldn't find a single use of `end`
14:52:28FromDiscord<kiloneie> Me neither...
14:52:35FromDiscord<kiloneie> But "End" works...
14:53:09FromDiscord<kiloneie> Did we find a bug or something ?
14:53:13FromDiscord<mitranim> So much for style insensitivity. What if I want to write `end` as `END`??
14:53:35FromDiscord<kiloneie> In reply to @mitranim "So much for style": Yeah... i will add those though
14:53:50FromDiscord<mitranim> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=wKubKujk
14:54:14FromDiscord<mitranim> uppercase lovers feel duped
14:54:18FromDiscord<kiloneie> I believe that keywords don't follow that
14:55:52FromDiscord<aethrvmn> In reply to @mitranim "So much for style": The first letter is case sensitive tho
14:55:54FromDiscord<kiloneie> OTHER TOPIC:↵Zed's Nim extension does some horrendous indenting when i don't want it to(90+% of the time), annoying the hell out of me.
14:56:12FromDiscord<aethrvmn> `nameVar` and `NameVar` are different
14:56:31FromDiscord<aethrvmn> In reply to @kiloneie "OTHER TOPIC: Zed's Nim": Can you not turn autoformatting off?
14:56:47FromDiscord<mitranim> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=lCFYGlzZ
14:56:51FromDiscord<kiloneie> In reply to @aethrvmn "Can you not turn": Whose ? The editor or the extension ?
14:57:38FromDiscord<mitranim> It's probably using either Prettier (does it support Nim?) or LSP formatting and you can configure both
14:58:22FromDiscord<aethrvmn> In reply to @kiloneie "Whose ? The editor": In helix you can configure the formatter per language, so I'd assume it's on the extention to implement it/LSP
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15:02:05FromDiscord<kiloneie> That's the setting for all, and the Nim one is also disabled since i didn't touch it(if the general was enabled)
15:09:54FromDiscord<kiloneie> If i copy paste something at the start of a line, and the previous line or more, ended at some indentation, it indents to match.↵And if i select the start of a line, press enter to get a new empty line for me to insert something, the next line dedents by 2...
15:10:10FromDiscord<kiloneie> This is killing me...
15:11:16FromDiscord<aethrvmn> There should be a setting about smart indentation or smth
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15:15:30FromDiscord<kiloneie> This is it! I probably can't fix the following lines right ? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1428400970810916885/Screenshot_2025-10-16_17-13-07.png?ex=68f25d91&is=68f10c11&hm=4104bb40d11529f4fc48d898f14a5db2ee2b97562ef3bb016d6c1649be07ad52& https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1428400971129819166/Screenshot_2025-10-16_17-15-22.png?ex=68f25d91&is=68f10c11&hm=5834f30ef29991496200df692d9b2f
15:15:47FromDiscord<kiloneie> If that gets fixed, i can breathe again D:...
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17:31:00FromDiscord<ezic9276> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=gjlWKWtn
17:36:31FromDiscord<lainlaylie> isnt it cause you should pass an expression instead of a proc
17:36:46FromDiscord<lainlaylie> as in the example
17:36:51FromDiscord<ezic9276> oh ok
17:38:29FromDiscord<ezic9276> thanks
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20:05:54FromDiscord<jm_sts> I understand that overloading `()` and `.` are currently experimental features. What is the risk of using them on a serious project from 1-10 where 1 is “use at your own risk” and 10 is “its most likely fine, the experimental flag will probably come off soon/at some point”
20:06:30FromDiscord<asviest> 10
20:06:43FromDiscord<mitranim> they've been "experimental" for at least half a decade IIRC
20:07:17FromDiscord<jm_sts> Why half a decade?
20:07:47FromDiscord<mitranim> (don't quote me on the number but it's years and years) no idea why, probably seemed sort of iffy but sort of fine and a low priority
20:08:02FromDiscord<mitranim> but by now, it has probably seeped into company code so Araq can't break it
20:08:31FromDiscord<jm_sts> I wonder if its worth prodding Araq about it on the forum
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20:11:18FromDiscord<asviest> In fact, new added features are also often called experimental in nim 2
20:12:21FromDiscord<jm_sts> Noted. Appreciate the insight guys
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20:51:40FromDiscord<saint._._.> They’ll probably be taken off experimental in nim 3 right?
21:13:31FromDiscord<ezic9276> In reply to @ezic9276 "hi, I just started": Why do folds operations operate on sequences and not iterators? It seems to be more natural. Why is it a macro? Is it about performance?
21:17:54FromDiscord<ezic9276> btw is there a reason why iterators are not first-class objects even though `proc` are?
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21:58:38Amun-Ra"serious project" and overloading . and () - pick one ;)
22:00:10FromDiscord<nocturn9x> This might be a little weird, but does anyone have any experience with building nim for PowerPC?
22:00:31FromDiscord<nocturn9x> I have the opportunity to run my engine on a large PowerPC cluster and can't install nim there
22:00:40FromDiscord<nocturn9x> how would one target it?
22:03:11Amun-Raset --cpu to powerpc
22:04:09Amun-Raand --gcc.exe, --gcc.linkerexe and flags to match the gcc crosscompiler on your system
22:10:53Amun-Ralet's say I need to compile for linux with powerpc64, nim c --cpu=powerpc64 --gcc.exe=powerpc64-linux-gnu-gcc --gcc.linkerexe=powerpc64-linux-gnu-gcc should suffice
22:11:23Amun-Rapick powerpc/powerpc64/powerpc64el
22:15:15FromDiscord<nocturn9x> thx!
22:34:53FromDiscord<jm_sts> In reply to @Amun-Ra ""serious project" and overloading": Don’t judge me 🤣
22:36:11FromDiscord<nocturn9x> In reply to @Amun-Ra "pick powerpc/powerpc64/powerpc64el": they are powerpc64le, thanks :)
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