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03:13:23FromGitter<JohnEmhoff> hmmm, getting a weird error when I run "./koch tools":
03:13:50FromGitter<JohnEmhoff> Error: execution of an external program failed: 'gcc ...'
03:13:58FromGitter<JohnEmhoff> it's trying to compile linenoise.c
03:14:38FromGitter<JohnEmhoff> there's no actual error message in the output, but if I copy/paste the gcc command that purportedly fails it exits with 0 and successfully creates a .o file
03:15:06FromGitter<JohnEmhoff> (gcc command is "gcc -c -w -pthread -O3 -fno-strict-aliasing -I/home/john/nim/nim-0.17.0/lib -o nimsuggest/nimcache/linenoise.o /home/john/nim/nim-0.17.0/lib/wrappers/linenoise/linenoise.c ")
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05:59:00FromGitter<citycide> is there a way to do open ended ranges? ⏎ ⏎ ```case x: ⏎ of 1: echo "one" ⏎ of 2..: echo "two or more"``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=599530a4bc464729749096e3]
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06:01:18skrylari'm sure nobody cares, but i made part of a pure nim game/sim math package
06:01:50skrylarhave the fixed up libui thing too but that computer is broken atm
06:03:00skrylaralso some native nim neural net type stuff although GRU neurons are buggy right now
06:07:33Araqhuh? fixed libui? what was broken?
06:10:34skrylarother than libui sucks as it turns out, nothing was broken so much as i have peculiar api designs that i use :b
06:10:53skrylarthe lack of toolbars was meh. but it also doesn't seem to have scroll bars afaict
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06:28:09Araqyeah it lacks many things
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06:45:45skrylarefl is tolerabler
06:45:57skrylara little eccentric, supposedly works on windows but haven't tried
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06:48:41skrylarget to do a comparison of svn vs git with lfs later. yay
06:49:13skrylarearly intuition says svn is better for the binary blobs and then use phabricator or something to track both
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07:08:11skrylar_wonder how well it would work out to mix types in nim with emit
07:08:27skrylar_what i was thinking is for vector code, having a flag that changes it from a nim tuple to a gcc intrinsic
07:08:37skrylar_'cause they have vector intrinsics that get automatic SIMD conversion
07:23:47Araqtuples don't work well, objects should
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07:40:35skrylar_would probably change from a tuple to an array when i go to test that
07:40:44skrylar_gcc vector intrinsics ARE arrays, basically
07:40:47skrylar_with a lot of magic
07:42:33Araqhttps://forum.nim-lang.org/t/3105/2 scroll to the longest post
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07:43:28skrylar_yea those intrinsics are neat
07:43:33skrylar_i played with them a little with tensor code
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08:24:41tankfeederhttps://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/notepad-7.5-released.html
08:24:47tankfeederwith nimrod support :)
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08:37:38FromGitter<TiberiumN> Nimrod?
08:38:09FromGitter<TiberiumN> Lol
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08:45:48skrylar_that was our original name before fun was no longer allowed
08:48:56euantorNice, Notepad++ has quite a large following and having Nim support baked in is a nice touch
08:51:22AraqI doubt the scintilla lexer has been kept up to date though
08:51:42Araqthat Notepad++ uses under the hood
08:51:48euantorProbably not
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08:59:18gangstacatSciTE one doesn't even have "let" in the keywords, and is still named nimrod
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09:01:23gangstacathttps://github.com/soimort/SciTE-properties/blob/master/new/nimrod.properties
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09:50:27skrylar_teaching oneself matrix math is annoying :f
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10:51:22FromGitter<TiberiumN> skrylar_ I know that Nimrod was an older name of Nim
10:51:39FromGitter<TiberiumN> I'm lol'ing because they added "Nimrod" but there is not language called "Nimrod"
10:52:21FromGitter<TiberiumN> When was Nimrod renamed to Nim?
10:53:24FromGitter<TiberiumN> anyway I replied in the forum thread about this release
10:53:25FromGitter<faustinoaq> @TiberiumN see: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/2994
10:53:32FromGitter<faustinoaq>
10:54:27FromGitter<TiberiumN> Yeah I found it myself in the blog
10:54:30FromGitter<TiberiumN> https://nim-lang.org/blog/2014/12/29/version-0102-released.html
10:55:40FromGitter<faustinoaq>
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11:00:17TiberiumHmm, I have this type: "ModuleFunction* = proc(api: VkApi, msg: Message): Future[void]"
11:00:23TiberiumI'm trying to make VkApi a concept
11:00:32Tiberiumbut it says: "ib/system.nim(666, 16) Error: invalid type: 'VkApi' in this context: 'proc (s: var seq[KeyValuePair[system.string, command.ModuleFunction]], len: Natural){.noSideEffect.}"
11:00:36Tiberiumlib/system.nim(666, 16) Error: invalid type: 'VkApi' in this context: 'proc (s: var seq[KeyValuePair[system.string, command.ModuleFunction]], len: Natural){.noSideEffect.}
11:01:49Tiberiumhmm
11:01:51Tiberiumline 666 is proc newSeq*[T](s: var seq[T], len: Natural) {.magic: "NewSeq", noSideEffect.}
11:03:48TiberiumOk, simpler: Can I create a table with values being procedures with concept in arguments?
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11:04:47euantorConcepts aren't interfaces, they're generic type classes. You might be able to use something like `type ModuleFunction[TVkApi: VkApi]* = proc(api: TVkApi, msg: Message): Future[void]` but I'm not sure
11:04:59TiberiumAh, ok
11:05:11euantorAnd you cannot create a seq of a concept, which also probably means you can't create a seq of prcs taking concepts
11:05:51Tiberiumwell I'm not creating a sequence of concepts
11:05:55Tiberiumah
11:05:59Tiberiumthat's sad :(
11:06:14euantorvalues in a seq need to be all the same type, you can't mix types
11:06:52euantorI _think_ this is where the `vtref` stuff might come in, but I've not looked at them and don't know what status they're in
11:10:59TiberiumI'm trying to create tests for my application, but it's not an easy task since all things in my program are dependent on each other
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13:34:43FromGitter<Smaehtin> @Tiberium have you heard of "inversion of control"? 
13:35:59FromGitter<Smaehtin> (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3058/what-is-inversion-of-control)
13:38:56TiberiumI've tried to do this with concepts
13:38:59Tiberiuminstead of classes
13:39:50AraqI split my code into data + procs and never have any testing problems
13:40:15Araqit's easy to create test data if your data stays dumb
13:41:15Araqof course, if you attach "behaviours" to it, you find yourself in OO hell where you need runtime dynamism just to test your code
13:41:23Araqor to serialize it.
13:41:47Araqor to do anything useful really with your data if it outlives your program (and it always does)
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13:55:56euantorAraq: I know there's an open issue/pull request for IO stuff in the stdlib, but what do you see happening to IO handling in the future? I recently wrote a stream type to work with a serial port and implemented buffering in it. In my eyes it would be nice if standard IO types (files, sockets, etc) in the stdlib were unbuffered and then there was a buffered stream (or some other type) over the base IO types to provide buffering. That way buffering
13:55:56euantorlogic is only in one place (and there could be a buffered reader and buffered writer). Just a thought :)
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13:56:54TiberiumAraq, well my application depends on a social network (I listen for events from social network)
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13:59:51Araqeuantor: I doubt "the buffering logic" is a single implementation that you can have "only in one place" and I never needed unbuffered IO anywhere
14:00:38Araqthat is like saying "let's have all the iteration logic in one place"
14:00:55euantorPerhaps. I've needed to use unbuffered IO several times myself, like when dealing with a serial port where buffering happens at the OS level naturally
14:01:28euantorI'm also thinking about it as a way to improve the `streams.readLine()` procedure that currently reads one byte at a time until it hits a newline sequence
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14:02:41euantorAnd coming from things from .net where we have Streams (such as FileStream and networkStream) that don't do buffering when reading, and then have a StreamReader that wraps a Stream and does buffering
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14:04:41euantorIt's also similar to how Go does IO - they have the `bufio` package that ahndles buffering for IO: https://golang.org/pkg/bufio/
14:05:49Araqgood defaults cover the common case, not the fringe case, so io vs bufio is wrong and io vs unbufio is right
14:07:04euantorso buffer by default and provide unbuffered versions? I guess I can live with that and that's the way things currently are. Just wanted to know your thoughts
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14:11:08Araqwrong double buffering is often negligible performance-wise whereas unbuffered IO is horrible. unbuffered IO is a horrible default.
14:11:16arnetheduckhttps://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/5818 updated to latest devel
14:17:00Araqarnetheduck: 'UnecheckedInt8Array' is a typo
14:17:13euantorFair enough. I can live with that, thanks
14:17:14Araqand since you need to change it anyway ... :P can you do this:
14:18:32Araqtype UncheckedArray* {.unchecked.}[T] = array[0, T] # add to system.nim
14:18:42Araqand use it thoughout?
14:19:06Araqso that .unchecked can eventually become an implementation detail?
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14:23:27Araqty
14:27:12arnetheduckUncheckedArray or just uarray (since most system types seem lowercase)?
14:33:45arnetheduckAraq, pushed
14:35:57AraqUncheckedArray, as I wrote it
14:37:42Araqlooks ok, waiting for the testers
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14:43:05PMunchGuess what I just got in the mail
14:45:49cremA letter!
14:46:25FromGitter<superfunc_twitter> a brick
14:47:35dom96|wNim in Action? :)
14:49:55Araqa bug?
14:51:39Demos[m]Hey araq: is it intentional that the abi of nim code tends to be more obvious than c++ and friends?
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14:57:13PMunchdom96|w, was right :)
14:57:52Demos[m]When is nim in action gunna get to amazon us?
14:58:01Demos[m]I wanna order for he office
14:59:28FromGitter<superfunc_twitter> Also is it gonna show up in brick n mortars?
15:00:06dom96|wno idea
15:08:44PMunchMine didn't
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15:32:41raussdom96|w: Is there a place selling your book from which you get the biggest cut?
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15:33:14dom96|wrauss: Manning using the referral link on https://book.picheta.me
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15:36:54raussOkay thanks
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15:46:39dom96|wrauss: thank you for asking :)
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15:56:25YardanicoI've changed my nickname from Tiberium to Yardanico, pls don't be confused :)
15:56:54Yardanicoon github too
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16:01:45couven92Yardanico, how can you do that! :O You're upsetting one of the constants of the universe! :P
16:01:56Yardanico:D
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16:06:16dom96|wBah, why the nick change?
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16:07:17Yardanicowell, current nickname is not very unique
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16:13:08Yardanicoand my new nickname also consist of some letters from my name & surname :D
16:14:59Yardanico(but if someone doesn't know my name or surname, he'll never know that)
16:15:11Yardanico*he'll never know that I have them in my nickname
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16:15:45krux02hello people
16:15:52Yardanicohi
16:16:15krux02hi
16:16:18krux02how are you
16:16:22krux02have I seen you earlier?
16:16:24Yardanicoyes
16:16:29YardanicoI'm Tiberium :D
16:16:43Yardanico(just changed my nickname so it would be more unique)
16:16:59krux02ah
16:17:05krux02I just saw the log
16:17:14krux02you basically just explained it
16:17:22krux02but this client doesn't show history
16:17:33krux02it's just an emacs mode
16:18:35krux02people use slack these days and a few people still insist on irc
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16:40:12enthus1ast__hey Trustable can i somehow autosize the window in nigui?
16:40:50enthus1ast__i want to have it fit its children height
16:41:33krux02I don't know nigui, but to my knowledge that is not an easy problem to solve
16:42:32enthus1ast__maybe the children tell me the render size or something... i'll try
16:42:38krux02UI layouting is either from top to bottom, meaning that you provide the size of the outer frame and everything inside adjusts in size or the opposite you provide the content and the frame grows dynamically
16:42:58enthus1ast__jeah i want to archive the second
16:43:01krux02when a UI is written like the first one, the second one is generally not possible
16:43:32krux02well not possible is not correct
16:43:40krux02but it is complicated
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16:44:01krux02And I can imagine that it is for the sake of simplicity not supported
16:44:24krux02but as I said, that is just a guess
16:44:29krux02I could be wrong
16:47:17krux02but that also doesn't mean that you can't do it
16:47:27Trustablehey enthus1ast__ : autosizing a widow is not planned so far
16:47:36krux02maybe there is a way to query the size of the content and then you can ask to resize the window to that size
16:47:56enthus1ast__yeah this is what i wanna try now
16:48:14krux02Trustable: is what is said reasonable, I hope I did not talk crap
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16:51:07Trustableit's reasonable, for Controls there are the different WidthModes/HeightModes to control the sizing, maybe the layout manager can be extended to allow it for the Window too
17:06:47enthus1ast__this works for me
17:06:49enthus1ast__https://gist.github.com/enthus1ast/aa64a2956be67b911f134a1b00557cac
17:09:56enthus1ast__i'm happy Trustable that button clicki thingi is ready for production :D
17:13:02TrustableKeep in mind: for windows there is the complicated thing, that there is an "inner" and "outer" size (incl. title bar)
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18:16:57Demos[m]should compiler updates invalidate the nimcache?
18:17:14Demos[m]ion
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20:06:57krux02why does the compiler use var ident: PIdent; ident.id?
20:07:03krux02PIdent does not have id
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20:24:12krux02well yea I found out the problem
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20:54:56FromGitter<zacharycarter> and?
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21:02:43Araqkrux02: PIdent has an ID
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21:55:32FromGitter<brentp> is there a better way to do this? like yield from in python or other? ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=599610d4162adb6d2e083d0c]
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21:59:49dom96What do you think would be better?
21:59:51dom96Shorter code?
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22:06:44FromGitter<GULPF> pythons `yield from` should be possible to do with a macro, I don't think there is any easier way with just the standard stlib
22:06:53FromGitter<GULPF> or even a tempalte
22:07:53FromGitter<GULPF> @dom96: python has a helper syntax for yielding everything from another iterator, https://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.3.html#pep-380
22:08:38dom96oh, right. We don't have that.
22:08:53dom96But yeah, all you need is a template
22:12:20FromGitter<brentp> ok. thanks. I'm fine with this as is. just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something after was browsing: https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#iterators-and-the-for-statement-first-class-iterators
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23:14:45skrylar_plop pop pop plop bp
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23:43:45krux02Araq: yes I eventually saw that PIdent uses inheritance, a technique I hardly use for anything anymore.