<< 17-08-2022 >>
01:39:45FromDiscord<Tuatarian> any recommendations for good profilers?
01:40:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Vtune, Hottie, callgrind, Amd's profiler, ...
01:40:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Perf
01:40:31FromDiscord<Tuatarian> I remembered hottie, but typing hottie nim into google gives... unwanted results
01:40:38FromDiscord<Tuatarian> (edit) "hottie nim" => ""hottie nim""
01:40:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> treeform/hottie
01:40:59FromDiscord<Tuatarian> thanks
01:42:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you're benchmarking there is timeit and benchy
02:21:32FromDiscord<Nimyth> :nimpride:
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03:21:38NimEventerNew question by Hortinstein: How do I compile a binary with a const string in debug and change it in release?, see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/73382508/how-do-i-compile-a-binary-with-a-const-string-in-debug-and-change-it-in-release
03:33:58FromDiscord<voidwalker> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47P2
03:35:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No there are not
03:36:59FromDiscord<voidwalker> Oh, it might be looking for a file named 'data/Montserrat.ttf`
03:37:05FromDiscord<voidwalker> (edit) "'data/Montserrat.ttf`" => "`data/Montserrat.ttf`"
03:37:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Not if it uses any Nim openFile apis
03:41:46FromDiscord<!Patitotective> maybe in AmongOS `/` is allowed in filenames
03:43:31FromDiscord<voidwalker> It is allowed, I renamed the file as such, but still didn't work
03:43:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Your CWD probably isnt set right
03:44:13FromDiscord<!Patitotective> doesnt vscode runs thing from home dir?
03:44:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No if you open a folder it runs from that folder
03:44:46FromDiscord<voidwalker> i tried from vscode and from terminal
03:45:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The CWD should be at the root where the `data` folder resides
03:47:38FromDiscord<voidwalker> in code you mean ?
03:47:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No in your termiinal
03:48:51FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "No in your termiinal": ~~is that canadian english?~~
03:48:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> lol
03:49:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's either a shitty keyboard or typist
03:49:11FromDiscord<voidwalker> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47P7
03:49:33FromDiscord<voidwalker> (edit)
03:49:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You got a different error this time
03:49:38FromDiscord<!Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47P8
03:50:44FromDiscord<voidwalker> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47P9
03:51:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You're hitting f6 to run the file arent you?
03:52:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If so that runs the program in the directory that it's in
03:53:56FromDiscord<voidwalker> Yes, F6. Oh is that so..
03:54:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I think so
03:54:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I never really used that, i always compile through cli
03:56:03FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I never really used": why 💀 ↵pain
03:56:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ccause it's like 3 lines and fish remembers all
03:57:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I type in `nim c -r` and fish generally is like "Dude you want this"
03:57:09FromDiscord<voidwalker> Welp, I was doing a rundown of all the GUI libs I can find for nim, to try and maybe find one that I can actually use, with ease, for my purposes. Encountering this kind of error in fidgety, in the examples.. is not so encouraging
03:57:26FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I type in `nim": isnt ctrl+b easier?
03:57:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> is typing really that hard?
03:58:01FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> why do you think tab completion exists?
03:58:20FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> or bash aliases
03:58:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cause it's hard to remember things
03:58:43FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "is typing really that": i woudl sya it is
03:58:52FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> what's your wpm
03:58:54FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @voidwalker "Welp, I was doing": what are your _purposes_?
03:59:20FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Rainbow Asteroids "what's your wpm": depending if i'm coding or no
03:59:28FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "no" => "not"
03:59:46FromDiscord<voidwalker> A netflix-like GUI, that can display data as a visual grid, or like a database (text grid)
04:00:30FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I never really used": you can configure where vscode runs stuff
04:00:31FromDiscord<huantian> I think?
04:00:37FromDiscord<huantian> vscode run tasks are wacko
04:00:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> 70-100 depending on whether punctuation matters↵(@Rainbow Asteroids)
04:00:44FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @voidwalker "A netflix-like GUI, that": ive got nothing else to say rather than imgui↵but it seems too simple for any gui to not have it 🤷‍♂️
04:00:57FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "seems" => "looks"
04:01:34FromDiscord<voidwalker> I've spent some time googling imgui, but it looks so complex, I haven't found where to begin yet.
04:01:46FromDiscord<huantian> glad we have patoto to stan imgui 😛
04:01:51FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> lol
04:02:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Literally the worst GUI to make anything with↵(@huantian)
04:02:25FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @voidwalker "I've spent some time": https://github.com/Patitotective/ImTemplate
04:02:30FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> https://github.com/treeform/fidget
04:02:42FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> my browser legit just crashed trying to copy that linkl
04:02:48FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> (edit) "linkl" => "link"
04:02:50FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Literally the worst GUI": not so baaad
04:02:59FromDiscord<huantian> I need to actually try and make something in fidget at some point
04:03:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'd rather make a GUI from scratch than rely on dear imgui for a proper program 😄
04:03:11FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I type in `nim": Me just pressing the up arrow:
04:03:23FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I'd rather make a": let me know when you make tha tgui
04:03:25FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "tha tgui" => "that gui"
04:03:34FromDiscord<huantian> I like autosuggestions its quite noice
04:03:36FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "In reply to @Elegantbeef "I'd rather make a": let me know when you make that gui ... " added ":p"
04:03:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea rika i press up when it's something i'm working on, but for many projects i just type a bit
04:03:43FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> nimgame > imgui
04:03:57FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Yea rika i press": with ctrl+b you just run the opened file
04:04:01FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Rainbow Asteroids "nimgame > imgui": whats that
04:04:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ok what's your point
04:04:08FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> nimgame is an SDL wrapper
04:04:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> When you a config.nims setup you just run the file you want
04:04:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> When you're running a program you're going to the terminal anyway
04:04:33FromDiscord<huantian> just do `nix run` ez claps
04:04:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So i dont really get how it's that much trouble
04:06:14FromDiscord<voidwalker> This ? https://vladar4.github.io/nimgame2/
04:06:31FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "70-100 depending on whether": :] https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009312243202129990/unknown.png
04:06:49FromDiscord<huantian> amateurs
04:07:17FromDiscord<!Patitotective> i just woke up everybody as well with my "ergonomic" keyboard that just makes more noise
04:07:31FromDiscord<huantian> ergonomic != silent
04:07:34FromDiscord<huantian> silent == silent
04:07:34FromDiscord<Rika> My WPM is like 4
04:07:43FromDiscord<!Patitotective> wpm in japanese goes brrr
04:08:04FromDiscord<Rika> What?
04:08:23FromDiscord<huantian> I kinda threw https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009312711328407602/unknown.png
04:08:46FromDiscord<huantian> I had 130+ for like a solid half of that test
04:09:18FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Rika "What?": i dont know if its just me but my "japanese keyboard" (idk how it is called, the thing that converts romaji into kanjis) is kinda sloow and i have to tab too much soo its kinda hard :/
04:09:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Huan remember i only properly touch type with my left hand!
04:09:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> My right hand uses index + pinky 😄
04:09:52FromDiscord<!Patitotective> whats pinky
04:10:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009313147041087558/image.png
04:10:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The smallest finger
04:10:23FromDiscord<huantian> that's pretty impressive then lol
04:10:29FromDiscord<huantian> this is my python speed btw https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009313242146938940/unknown.png
04:10:34FromDiscord<!Patitotective> i was thinking of a pinky pig
04:10:38FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "i was thinking of a pinky ... pig" added "little"
04:11:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I really should get myself to touch type with my right hand
04:11:10FromDiscord<huantian> hm I wonder what language this is 😛 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009313413052248074/unknown.png
04:11:28FromDiscord<!Patitotective> ascii
04:12:17FromDiscord<!Patitotective> 🌃
04:12:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Lol i'm 26 wpm when touch typing with my right hand 😄
04:12:32FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @Patitotective "ascii": nah it's vim
04:12:36FromDiscord<!Patitotective> 100 wpm when touch pad
04:13:13FromDiscord<huantian> I need to get myself an ergo keeb at some point
04:13:17FromDiscord<huantian> maybe go for a split ortho
04:13:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> yea i cannot properly touch type with the right hand yet, so many mispresses
04:14:13FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009314183101300826/unknown.png
04:14:23FromDiscord<huantian> pretty good acc
04:17:35FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> suprising considering my fat hands and small keys
04:18:04FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> there's no nim code on monkey type. what a complete miss for the nim programming language 😭
04:18:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Literally unusable
04:18:55FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> time to rewrite monkeytype in nim to rectify this issue
04:18:56FromDiscord<huantian> prs welcome
04:18:58FromDiscord<huantian> probably
04:19:23FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> %0.1 lua? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009315478918938634/unknown.png
04:19:45FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> looks like it's for redis database
04:20:03FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> (edit) "%0.1" => "0.1%"
04:23:47FromDiscord<huantian> interesting
04:26:58FromDiscord<j-james> In reply to @huantian "this is my python": duah what monkeytype has code snippets?
04:27:03FromDiscord<huantian> yeah
04:27:06FromDiscord<j-james> fun
04:27:19FromDiscord<huantian> I mean it's mostly kinda gimmicky but it's cool
04:28:04FromDiscord<j-james> yea
04:28:49FromDiscord<j-james> beef if you're here btw i'll be working on porting nim-wlroots to 0.15.x in the next few days
04:29:05FromDiscord<j-james> i've got some downtime as i caught covid lol
04:29:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Congrats!
04:29:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean oh noes!
04:29:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Uhhh.....yea
04:29:52FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> wayland will gladly accept your sacrifice, mortal
04:53:36FromDiscord<Ras> In reply to @huantian "hm I wonder what": looks like vim normal mode commands
04:53:49FromDiscord<Ras> In reply to @huantian "nah it's vim": oh lol
04:53:52FromDiscord<huantian> heh yeah
05:48:00FromDiscord<Tuatarian> is it just me or is hottie not outputting anything useful?
05:48:02FromDiscord<Tuatarian> it says
05:48:05FromDiscord<Tuatarian> Program ended↵ samples time percent what↵ 3220 3280.970ms 100.000%↵Samples per second: 981.4 totalTime: 3.281ms\
05:48:14FromDiscord<Tuatarian> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47Pv
05:48:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What OS are you on?
05:48:39FromDiscord<Tuatarian> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009337945632813056/unknown.png
05:48:40FromDiscord<Tuatarian> windows
05:48:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> did you compile with `--debugger:native`?
05:49:12FromDiscord<Tuatarian> no, thanks, that should fix
05:49:14FromDiscord<Tuatarian> forgot about that
05:50:21FromDiscord<Tuatarian> still seems to give that same output
05:52:01FromDiscord<Tuatarian> `nim c --debugger:native --gc:arc -d:danger nash.nim`
05:52:09FromDiscord<Tuatarian> then `hottie nash.exe`
05:52:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No clue
05:53:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Perhaps increase the sample rate
05:53:14FromDiscord<Tuatarian> how would I do that?
05:53:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `-r =10000`
05:54:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> 3.2ms at 1000 ticks per second isnt much data which is why it doesnt print anything
05:56:48FromDiscord<Tuatarian> as a param to hottie or to nim c?
05:56:50FromDiscord<Tuatarian> hottie right
05:56:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
05:56:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim doesnt know about your profiler
05:57:08FromDiscord<SaAnd> im having a similar issue w/ hottie, it only gives 1 sample
05:57:24FromDiscord<SaAnd> even with `-r=10000`
05:57:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Is it a short lived program?
05:57:45FromDiscord<SaAnd> the program is \~9 secs
05:58:21FromDiscord<SaAnd> `-d:danger --debugger:native --gc:arc`
05:59:29FromDiscord<Tuatarian> effectively same problem yeah
05:59:46FromDiscord<SaAnd> i did notice on the readme for hottie it said that
05:59:56FromDiscord<SaAnd> "Currently only works on Windows with GCC (mingw).↵↵Supports Linux using GCC(--passL\:"-no-pie" is required) and Clang."
06:00:23FromDiscord<SaAnd> even the passL thing didnt work for me though \:(
06:00:33FromDiscord<Tuatarian> I'm on windwos
06:00:46FromDiscord<SaAnd> linux here
06:01:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea i dont know how hottie's changed since i last used/ported it
06:01:17FromDiscord<SaAnd> i did notice that after the 9 secs the output of the program gets printed out wierdly
06:01:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I generally just use callgrind
06:01:35FromDiscord<SaAnd> i did go there yea
06:01:46FromDiscord<Tuatarian> problem is
06:01:50FromDiscord<Tuatarian> time != calls
06:02:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Vtune and the amd profile exists
06:02:08FromDiscord<Tuatarian> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47Pz
06:02:19FromDiscord<Tuatarian> would have to look into those
06:02:26FromDiscord<Tuatarian> amd profile works even on intel cpu right?
06:02:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No clue what the best windows profiler is
06:02:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I think so
06:02:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Vtune is the Intel one and afaik is a few gigs
06:02:41FromDiscord<Tuatarian> also, would they be able to tell me where in the nim code, not the genereated c, the slowdown is?
06:02:53FromDiscord<Tuatarian> wow that's enormous
06:03:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim includes line information that points to the Nim code
06:04:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009341810222571560/image.png
06:04:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> For a example
06:04:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Tooling can read this and point you directly where in the source the code came from
06:05:31FromDiscord<Tuatarian> ok I can't but hopefully vtune can
06:06:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You cant what?
06:06:22FromDiscord<Tuatarian> understand what the markings are saying
06:06:40FromDiscord<Tuatarian> no that's your profile results right?
06:06:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's the source code for a call
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06:42:10NimEventerNew thread by Whospal: Convert Python codes to Nim codes, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9376
06:44:11NimEventerNew thread by Hugogranstrom: NimiSlides 🛷 Create beautiful slideshows in Nim 👑, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9377
06:45:04FromDiscord<Girvo> The line information even works in OpenOCD-based JTAG debugging of firmware, as an aside. Its quite neat
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07:44:37PMunchNimiSlides looks pretty neat, but I'm always (probably too much so) cautious about tools like that. What happens if it doesn't fit what I want to do, I assume there's no way I can manually change things
07:47:18FromDiscord<Ras> In reply to @PMunch "NimiSlides looks pretty neat,": you fork it and implement your desired features 🙂
07:47:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It'd be better if it just user defined hooks 😄
07:47:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No clue the design so no clue if it'd be possible
07:48:02FromDiscord<Ras> nimislides looks neat, but i wish the scroll wheel worked for changing slides
07:48:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Make an issue 😄
07:48:25FromDiscord<hugogranstrom> In reply to @PMunch "NimiSlides looks pretty neat,": It is built on nimib so you can always just implement what you want by creating a custom block. All nimiSlides is, is a bunch of custom blocks
07:49:55FromDiscord<hugogranstrom> In reply to @Ras "nimislides looks neat, but": https://github.com/hakimel/reveal.js/issues/2052 it seems like an easy change I can add 😄
07:51:20FromDiscord<hugogranstrom> In reply to @PMunch "NimiSlides looks pretty neat,": In fact, you can even override the custom blocks in nimib if you would want that
07:51:57PMunchHmm, interesting
07:52:07PMunchBut how flexible is Reveal.js?
07:52:28PMunchLike if I'm not happy with the position of an image, how easy would it be to move it a bit to the left for example
07:56:28FromDiscord<hugogranstrom> In reply to @PMunch "But how flexible is": Ahh, Reveal.js should be rather straightforward to style using CSS but I'm not sure how easy it is to just "move it a bit to the left".
07:57:11FromDiscord<hugogranstrom> But yeah, layout isn't something that is super easy to do in nimib yet
08:07:38PMunchMight still give it a try though, making my presentations in LibreOffice isn't a fantastic workflow
08:09:39FromDiscord<hugogranstrom> In reply to @PMunch "Might still give it": Would be glad to hear of your experience with it if you do 🙂 I'd say the default style of Reveal.js is quite OK if one likes everything to be stacked on top of each other
08:21:02FromDiscord<hugogranstrom> In reply to @Ras "nimislides looks neat, but": Support for scroll-wheel is added in the latest commit now
08:22:13FromDiscord<hugogranstrom> Running `useScrollWheel()` is all you need to activate it in a presentation
08:22:25FromDiscord<Ras> neat
08:41:59madpropsim thinking of learning some zig
08:42:29madpropssee what's the big fuss
08:44:50PMunchTried some Zig for my Nim on microcontrollers talk. Seems like a very well-designed language, but not very exiting
08:45:18PMunchexciting*
08:46:00madpropswell designed sounds exciting
08:46:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's pretty much a more concise C 😄
08:46:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Being slightly better C isnt much of something that interests me at least
09:01:38FromDiscord<lantos> In reply to @PMunch "Tried some Zig for": is that necessarily a bad thing? ↵wouldn't you want your X if it doing something critical to be boring and non eventful
09:03:01PMunchOh not at all, but Nim is a really exciting language so if you come from Nim it might seem a bit dull
09:04:17PMunchBut Nim shows a bit that it's been designed iteratively. It might just be because it's young but Zig feels more cohesive.
09:04:30PMunchAt least from my veeery limited experience with it
09:06:09FromDiscord<lantos> have you played with the comptime ? like to know what you think of that v macros
09:06:30FromDiscord<lantos> aslo I've heard the async on zig is done well
09:06:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Comptime seems great, but ugh it's limited
09:07:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Use a macro 😄
09:07:36FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a long message, see https://paste.rs/P5v
09:07:41FromDiscord<enthus1ast> yes i do \:)
09:07:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> then just `varargs[untyped]`
09:08:15FromDiscord<lantos> could you just use a table? :0
09:09:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47PY
09:09:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's' valid
09:09:28FromDiscord<gat0r> I need to convince by boss to welcome Nim. I'm an offensive security guy. A hacker. Any advice?
09:09:45FromDiscord<enthus1ast> Elegantbeef\: huh i must be drunk this time lol
09:09:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Write malware that causes billions of dollars worth of damage in the company, that'll encourage them
09:10:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well given i dont drink, i sure as hell am not
09:11:22FromDiscord<Ras> In reply to @gat0r "I need to convince": "welcome nim" in what way?
09:11:28FromDiscord<enthus1ast> gat0r\: we now have some offensive modules out there
09:11:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47PZ
09:12:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you mean a `std/tables` table, then only if the args are homogenous
09:12:24FromDiscord<Ras> just write your tooling, droppers, cobalt strike bof, etc in nim
09:13:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Write some tool in a language you're allowed then write that same tool in your free time using Nim and sell the better version
09:13:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm clearly joking given my lack of experience
09:14:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I couldnt sell food to a billionaire that hasnt eaten in a week
09:16:55FromDiscord<Ras> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Write some tool in": i mean, that's not a bad idea
09:17:17FromDiscord<Ras> or rewrite a tool that's already in use
09:20:32FromDiscord<enthus1ast> gat0r\: given that we already have a antivirus false positive problem at hand, i would recommend another language for your offensive tooling ;)
09:20:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'd hope it was for company offensive testing
09:23:37PMunch@lantos, I did not play with comptime no
09:24:22PMunchI just read up on it just enough to know that it couldn't be used in the same way as I used Nim macros. Just enough so that I could make claims about Nim that where true
09:26:37PMunchPrestige, have you thought about making the nimdow toolbar generally available?
09:26:46PMunchI'd really like to use it with my i3 setup :P
09:27:36FromDiscord<Prestige> Yeah I have an issue open for it, but haven't started any work on it yet
09:27:49FromDiscord<Prestige> But you could use it on your nimdow setup now :P
09:39:04FromDiscord<Ras> In reply to @enthus1ast "gat0r\: given that we": generally, anyone working at a legitimate company providing offsec services will make sure that their samples don't end up in virus definition databases 😉
09:39:10FromDiscord<Ras> well, with exceptions
09:41:50FromDiscord<EyeCon> In reply to @ehmry "<@191304757195833344>: I may have": Nice!
09:56:07FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47Q6
09:57:54FromDiscord<Rika> Eh I don’t know what’s there to be ashamed of
09:58:08FromDiscord<Rika> Wait hm what are you doing
09:58:14FromDiscord<Rika> Why do you need to do that
09:58:26FromDiscord<enthus1ast> because its illformed ast if i just add this
09:58:52FromDiscord<Rika> Check the differences between the AST you made and the AST made with that indirection
09:58:54FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47Q7
10:03:28FromDiscord<enthus1ast> https://gist.github.com/enthus1ast/613eace4a87f3c106e9acb1eb58336aa
10:04:16FromDiscord<enthus1ast> mh yeah i could just build this ast
10:04:42FromDiscord<enthus1ast> but i guess i'll miss something when the empty's are not empty ...
10:09:36FromDiscord<enthus1ast> ok works
10:09:48FromDiscord<enthus1ast> thanks for kicking my ass @Rika
10:10:12FromDiscord<Rika> I’ll be sure to kick harder next time
10:14:08PMunch@Prestige, I don't have my Nimdow setup any longer :(
10:14:36PMunchI've switched jobs, and since I had it installed on my last work machine it got lost in the transfer
10:14:58PMunchAnd I could never really get used to the navigation :P
10:15:32PMunchNow I've also got one of those ultrawide monitors, so I'd like a bit more flexibility
10:16:49PMunchBut I'm considering to rip out the ANSI colour stuff and segment clicking and put it into notifishower. And maybe reimplement the formatting language to make it a bit more robust
10:17:28PMunchI think that could make a really cool desktop, xlunch for application launching, and notifishower for all kinds of bars, notifications, and system menus
10:18:49PMunchI did also start to look at embedding windows, but I could never really get that to work. The idea being that you could tell notificatcher to gobble up a window from somewhere else in order to show tray icons, xlunch menus, etc.
10:30:59FromDiscord<enthus1ast> do you use nimdow in "production" ?
10:31:07FromDiscord<enthus1ast> interesting
10:31:13FromDiscord<enthus1ast> must check that out as well
10:31:26PMunchYeah I used it for about a year on my work machine
10:33:50FromDiscord<enthus1ast> it should use nimscript for the config =)
10:34:36FromDiscord<enthus1ast> when i switched to nimscript for my monitoring tool, the config shrank from \~2000 lines to \~150
10:34:57FromDiscord<Prestige> I wanted to make a scripting interface for layouts
10:35:20FromDiscord<Prestige> But have been working on other projects
10:35:43PMunch@enthus1ast, your monitoring tool?
10:36:12FromDiscord<Prestige> PMunch have you looked into "devour"?
10:37:19PMunchI've considered writing a "configurator" program which uses NimScript to create and manage configuration files for other programs. Being able to share global variables like colours and fonts would be great, and of course have callbacks written in Nim would be really cool
10:37:27PMunch@Prestige, yes it's really neat
10:37:35PMunchI used it a lot before I got xlunch set up on this machine
10:37:47FromDiscord<krisppurg> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47Qf
10:37:55PMunchTo run a program I would create a new terminal and run e.g. `devour firefox`
10:38:24FromDiscord<Prestige> In reply to @PMunch "I've considered writing a": I really like this idea
10:39:30PMunchIt would be pretty neat :)
10:40:00FromDiscord<Prestige> Maybe I should spend time making nimbar a separate program
10:40:07FromDiscord<enthus1ast> what is the most "variable alias" thing we have in nim? I basically i just want to give a variable another name, without any side effects
10:40:21PMunchA template probably
10:40:39PMunch`template myalias(): untyped = myvariable`
10:40:49FromDiscord<enthus1ast> mhh
10:41:40FromDiscord<Prestige> PMunch: if you'd like me to, can you please comment any requirements you'd like on https://github.com/avahe-kellenberger/nimdow/issues/172
10:41:56PMunch@enthus1ast, something like this: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47Qg
10:42:26PMunch@Prestige, not really sure what requirements that would be
10:42:43PMunchAnd to be honest I have no idea how you'd handle workspace numbering and such..
10:43:31FromDiscord<Prestige> I'm thinking of just letting the user control that, idk if I should bother with atoms etc
10:43:45FromDiscord<Prestige> Haven't thought much about it yet
10:45:39FromDiscord<Prestige> If it's going to support tags instead of just workspaces, like Nimdow, fine grained control is required
10:46:39PMunchI wonder how those other bar replacements do things like that
10:47:02PMunchI've just always used i3bar with a solid custom script for colourizing the bar contents
10:47:09FromDiscord<Prestige> I think most don't support tags, like polybar
10:50:43PMunchRight, that makes sense I guess
10:51:03PMunchAre there any other WMs that support tags?
10:51:17PMunchI wonder if I would get used to them or if it would just be super confusing
10:51:23FromDiscord<Prestige> dwm and awesome, which have their own bars
10:51:41FromDiscord<Prestige> It's similar to workspaces, but more flexible
10:53:06FromDiscord<Prestige> You can view multiple at the same time, and have one window on multiple tags. Comes in handy
10:53:24PMunchHmm, instantWM looks interesting
10:56:05FromDiscord<Prestige> Yeah, hadn't seen that before. Dwm rewrite basically huh
10:56:26FromDiscord<Prestige> I've found so many dwm bugs, idk how people use it
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11:02:24PMunchHmm, so I got instantwm to launch, but it is apparently missing its program launcher so I can't do anything with it :P
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11:04:42FromDiscord<Prestige> The wm is supposed to ship with a program launcher?
11:05:01FromDiscord<Prestige> I would think instantOS would, but not the wm itself
11:06:30PMunchI think it's just the default configuration that specifies the one instantos comes with
11:06:40PMunchBut they appear to have multiple launchers
11:06:47PMunchLet's see if any of the others work
11:08:57FromDiscord<Prestige> Perhaps I'll just have the bar work ootb with typical workspace support, for now
11:09:16FromDiscord<Prestige> I'll worry about tags down the road
11:09:35PMunchIs there a common way to support tags?
11:09:48PMunchOr is it just implemented differently in each WM which supports them
11:10:06FromDiscord<Prestige> Seems different between WMs
11:10:33FromDiscord<Prestige> But essentially it's integrated into the wm itself
11:11:58FromDiscord<Prestige> I could provide an atom than uses an int to indicate which tags are being viewed, by each bit. But you'd still need some glue code I suppose, to utilize it between WMs that support tags
11:12:06FromDiscord<Prestige> Wouldn't be too bad
11:17:08PMunchHmm, I can't figure out how to change the default programs of instantwm..
11:19:36PMunchHmm, I should look into creating my own distro
11:19:45FromDiscord<Prestige> Distro or DE?
11:19:45PMunchI set up all my machines the same way, and it's a bit tedious
11:20:03PMunchDistro
11:20:19FromDiscord<Prestige> You could probably just make an iso or something that has everything pre-configured
11:20:32PMunchYeah that's what I was thinking
11:20:37PMunchI wonder how you do that..
11:20:57FromDiscord<Prestige> https://instantos.io/youtube/hotkeys
11:21:08FromDiscord<Prestige> I know for arch linux there's archiso, idk about others
11:24:26FromDiscord<Prestige> Actually, supporting tags on a WM-agnostic bar would be a bit tedious, unless the WM itself just told the bar what to display.. or with a glue program that would talk to the WM via ipc
11:24:36FromDiscord<Prestige> Unfortunate
11:24:41PMunchThe problem with those keybindings is that they all point to some `instant_X` thing, none of which I have installed :P
11:24:46PMunchSo none of them do anything
11:24:52FromDiscord<Prestige> Ah that sucks
11:35:51NimEventerNew thread by Gavr: Explain current state of multi-threading, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9378
11:36:13PMunchWell it's mostly just a matter of replacing or symlinking them to something I do have installed
11:51:20FromDiscord<gavr> is language acceptance growing? That is, are there new companies using nim?
11:51:44FromDiscord<gavr> This list was last updated in 2021( ↵ https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/Organizations-using-Nim
11:51:47PMunchIt's a slow process, but hopefully
11:52:23PMunchI know that the company I used before use Nim, because I managed to sneak it into a project :P
11:52:47FromDiscord<gavr> ))
11:53:11FromDiscord<gavr> I did the same with Vala(didnt know nim yet)
11:53:37PMunchI think it might be on their long-term roadmap to replace it though. They seemed pretty confused by the source code when I left :P
12:01:08FromDiscord<gavr> Say its just static python
12:01:56FromDiscord<gavr> In reply to @NimEventer "New thread by Gavr:": also, thats my quastion, and Im really dont understand how to use multithreads with ARC GC now
12:04:34FromDiscord<flywind> In reply to @gavr "also, thats my quastion,": The threading primitives for ARC/ORC are implemented here: https://github.com/nim-lang/threading/tree/master/threading
12:06:18FromDiscord<creikey> goto definition on vscode is broken for me again with nimsaem's extension, anybody have any idea how to view the debug output of nimsuggest?
12:06:26FromDiscord<creikey> the lsp seems completely broken but I can view its debug output at least
12:08:13FromDiscord<creikey> oh hey the non nim version works
12:09:23FromDiscord<enthus1ast> you can open the develope tools in vscode
12:09:29FromDiscord<enthus1ast> since its chrome
12:09:35FromDiscord<enthus1ast> developer
12:11:57FromDiscord<enthus1ast> its under help-\>Toggle Developer Tools
12:17:06FromDiscord<creikey> Is there a better text editor to use with vim than vscode? Go to definition takes 5 seconds at least and often goes to the incorrect symbol
12:17:11FromDiscord<creikey> (edit) "vim" => "nim"
12:17:42PMunchThe speed of that will typically be the same for every editor as they all use nimsuggest behind the scenes
12:17:59FromDiscord<dom96> there is nothing better
12:18:06FromDiscord<creikey> this is so annoying
12:18:10PMunchUnless of course there is something out there which caches things
12:18:23FromDiscord<creikey> why does nimsuggest not just run all the time?
12:18:36FromDiscord<creikey> I'd use the lsp setting in vscode but it's broken
12:18:55PMunchWhy is it broken?
12:19:08FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @PMunch "Why is it broken?": something about parseint and nimsuggest not recognizing v3 in the debug output
12:19:27PMunchUhm, that sounds weird
12:19:39PMunchIf it's a nimlsp bug then please create an issue ticket for it
12:20:22FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @gavr "is language acceptance growing?": from what I've seen we haven't had a large new company adopt Nim since Status, depending on your definition of "large" I suppose
12:20:38FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @PMunch "If it's a nimlsp": nimlsp is only in the nimsaem extension which also has nimsuggest broken
12:20:50FromDiscord<gavr> In reply to @dom96 "from what I've seen": And what about not large?
12:21:58FromDiscord<gavr> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/47Qz
12:23:32FromDiscord<gavr> What is the future of Nim? : Not sure, but there will be 2.0 soon, breaking changes as far as I understand are not planned, the most likely will be a new system of modules
12:24:04PMunch@creikey, aah right VSCode totally bungled their LSP implementation since you require a plugin for each language still :P
12:24:10FromDiscord<gavr> Is the language developing and in which direction?: Yes, main direction for now seems to make ARC/ORC the default GC
12:24:19PMunchOr wait, I thought that was only Visual Studio..
12:24:31FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @PMunch "<@180866243819995136>, aah right VSCode": https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009437564639387748/unknown.png
12:24:52FromDiscord<creikey> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=
12:24:58FromDiscord<creikey> I think this is like
12:25:08FromDiscord<creikey> something about it wanting a nimsuggest that's newer? I can't tell
12:25:34FromDiscord<creikey> is there a new version of nim or something? choosenim has been improperly installing nim on windows for some months now
12:25:46FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @creikey "is there a new": how so?
12:26:10FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @gavr "And what about not": good question, I am not sure
12:26:16PMunch@creikey, that's not nimlsp though is it?
12:26:17FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @dom96 "how so?": for awhile none of my tooling or builds with threads worked, silently failed, because choosenim didn't add the libthreads whatever to the path
12:26:30FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @PMunch "<@180866243819995136>, that's not nimlsp": it's the nimlsp option in the nimsaem vscode extension
12:26:40FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @dom96 "good question, I am": though most smaller companies don't advertise that they use Nim, probably because it's mainly just one person sneaking Nim into the company :P
12:26:45FromDiscord<gavr> "Who uses Nim in production and why?" Status, and there are great talk on youtube about it↵"Are these isolated cases or is the adoption growing somewhere?" As I understand not much↵"Why should our listener study Nim?" New programming style in structural paradigm, best macro system in compiled languages, 3 E
12:27:51FromDiscord<gavr> "Is there an opportunity to find a job on Nim?" Permanent, no, but there are small orders, here in jobs channel
12:28:08FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @creikey "for awhile none of": Does it work if you install Nim manually?
12:28:17FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @dom96 "Does it work if": I got it working by adding that directory to my path
12:28:20FromDiscord<dom96> because I'm pretty sure that's a Nim breakage
12:28:20FromDiscord<Rika> not definitely permanent, but in the long term you'll be hard pressed yes
12:28:33FromDiscord<enthus1ast> where to get a nimsuggest that supports --v3 ?
12:28:42FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @creikey "I got it working": choosenim specifically puts everything in ~/.nimble/bin so that you only need to add that to your PATH
12:29:02FromDiscord<enthus1ast> 1.6.4 nor 1.6.6 seem to have it
12:29:05FromDiscord<dom96> Nim has a dlls.zip file which is supposed to contain all the needed DLLs, choosenim installs that
12:29:15PMunch@gavr, "Who uses Nim in production?". The current situation is that there aren't a whole lot of companies who officially endorse it. Unlike for example Ruby which had an explosive growth with Ruby on Rails and then about the same decline Nim seems to follow a path closer to that of Python. Slowly but steadily increasing in users. There is currently no "killer app/framework" written in Nim, so few companies are likely looking to switch to it for something
12:29:15PMunchspecific. But by slowly building up community of developers who prefer to work in Nim it will slowly find its way into many companies.
12:29:25FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @dom96 "choosenim specifically puts everything": it did not do that to some dll that was required for nimsuggest to run, and because the vscode extension doesn't tell me when nimsuggest doesn't work, I just had no idea goto definition was broken because of that
12:29:33FromDiscord<creikey> windows also doesn't tell you which dll is missing I had to use a scanner
12:29:41FromDiscord<creikey> very annoying hours potentially days just wasted
12:30:00FromDiscord<konsumlamm> In reply to @gavr "What is the future": 2.0 will have some breaking changes
12:30:49PMunchIs there an opportunity to find a job in Nim? This goes a bit back to the previous answer, but essentially there are very few job listings out there calling specifically for Nim developers. But if you're proficient in Nim you might be able to find somewhere that accepts you using it.
12:31:52FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @enthus1ast "where to get a": I have no iea
12:31:54FromDiscord<creikey> (edit) "iea" => "idea"
12:31:54FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @creikey "very annoying hours potentially": yeah, I agree it's annoying. But I don't think it's choosenim's job to be pulling DLLs out of gcc, especially when this is a result of a change in Nim https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/19713
12:32:04FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @dom96 "yeah, I agree it's": yeah I opened that issue
12:32:27FromDiscord<creikey> look at this I was reading the generated C trying to figure out what's going on https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009439565733433404/unknown.png
12:32:29FromDiscord<creikey> this is what I mean by days
12:32:30PMunchWhat is the future of Nim? Is the language developing and in which direction? The future of Nim currently is in stability and a better multi-threading story. The language has been in development for a long while and is currently pushing towards the 2.0 release which will seek to make the language more polished.
12:33:17FromDiscord<jb> In reply to @dom96 "though most smaller companies": guilty
12:34:45PMunchWhy should our listener study Nim? How to do it? Absolutely! Apart from the benefit of just learning something new, Nim offers a very interesting system for meta-programming that you don't really find anywhere else in compiled imperative languages. This means that you're able to program the language to look and feel the way you want, which has some interesting consequences for maintainability and flexibility. In order to learn Nim there is a vibrant online
12:34:45PMunchcommunity, along with two books and a multitude of websites and video tutorials. Head over to nim-lang.org to find out more.
12:35:38FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @creikey "look at this I": yeah, that sucks. But please don't blame choosenim for it, nim never depended on the DLLs in gcc before this change was made
12:36:08PMunchWhat about the community? How big, what kind of movement is there, where to come for help? The community is always growing and we've got live chats alongside a forum where you can ask for help or just discuss language features. Again you can find links to everything at nim-lang.org.
12:36:33PMunch@gavr ^ wrote out some responses to the various questions
12:36:49FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @dom96 "yeah, that sucks. But": oh I don't mean to blame anything, I just mean that following the instructions on the official website has resulted in a broken environment for months
12:37:03FromDiscord<gavr> In reply to @PMunch "<@203265254245793802> ^ wrote out": Yea, thanks a lot!
12:37:25FromDiscord<creikey> anybody know what this means? like where is this logging happening https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009440815799619675/unknown.png
12:38:30PMunch@creikey, did you try nimlsp or nim-langserver for your LSP attempt?
12:38:51PMunchIf it was the latter you probably just have a too old version of nimsuggest which is causing the --v3 issue
12:38:59FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @PMunch "<@180866243819995136>, did you try": this? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009441206985556069/unknown.png
12:39:11FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @PMunch "If it was the": how do I update nimsuggest
12:39:28PMunchBy updating Nim
12:39:44PMunchWhat does `nimsuggest --version` say?
12:39:46FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @PMunch "By updating Nim": so this means choosenim is updated? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009441406068195379/unknown.png
12:40:01FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @PMunch "What does `nimsuggest --version`": https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009441468030660648/unknown.png
12:40:19PMunchBut that plugin seems to use my nimlsp, then it wouldn't be an issue (but you should still update nimlsp when updating Nim)
12:40:27FromDiscord<creikey> `C:\Users\Cameron\.nimble\bin\nimsuggest.exe` this is where nimsuggest is, what I meant by the last line
12:41:04PMunchHmm, this might be related to the Windows bugs that NimLSP has had..
12:41:09FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @PMunch "But that plugin seems": I'd like to see if the extension is using the right nimsuggest but I can't figure out how it is logging anything
12:41:17FromDiscord<creikey> or to where
12:41:33PMunchNimLSP doesn't use nimsuggest, it has nimsuggest compiled into it
12:41:35FromDiscord<enthus1ast> imho stuff like this must work with stable
12:42:34FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @PMunch "NimLSP doesn't use nimsuggest,": where is nimlsp installed?
12:42:58FromDiscord<dom96> likely ~/.nimble/pkgs/nimlsp-ver
12:43:21FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @dom96 "likely ~/.nimble/pkgs/nimlsp-ver": https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009442306488815716/unknown.png
12:43:24FromDiscord<dom96> PMunch: do you use NimLSP regularly?
12:43:29FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @enthus1ast "imho stuff like this": it probably does on linux
12:43:37FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @creikey "": `dir`?
12:43:56FromDiscord<enthus1ast> no it cannot, since the stable nimsuggest does not contain -v3↵(@creikey)
12:44:00FromDiscord<enthus1ast> --v3
12:44:00FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @dom96 "`dir`?": bunch of dfolders for the pkgs
12:44:01FromDiscord<dom96> It's in a directory like `nimlsp-0.1.0` not literally `nimlsp-ver`
12:44:10FromDiscord<creikey> oh sorry lol
12:44:11FromDiscord<creikey> misunderstood
12:44:17FromDiscord<creikey> thought you meant like that's the name of the executable
12:44:40FromDiscord<creikey> I don't have nimlsp as a package installed, the vscode extension probably downloaded its own
12:44:47PMunchdom96, yes I use it whenever I'm editing Nim
12:45:08FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @PMunch "<@132595483838251008>, yes I use": does it go to definition in under 5 seconds and go to the right definition?
12:45:34PMunch@creikey, depends on the project (the more complex the project the longer it takes) but it general it's pretty instantaneous
12:45:41PMunchAnd it mostly hits the right thing
12:45:49FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @PMunch "<@180866243819995136>, depends on the": what text editor do you use it with
12:45:55PMunchVim
12:46:46FromDiscord<enthus1ast> ok i just got it work with PMunch's nimlsp
12:46:48FromDiscord<enthus1ast> on windows
12:46:49FromDiscord<creikey> so I can't just point vscode to a language server binary and have it work?
12:47:20FromDiscord<enthus1ast> i've disabled all helpers in nimsaem and used the nimlsp extention, there i pasted the path to the executable in
12:47:31FromDiscord<enthus1ast> and vscode
12:49:35FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @PMunch "<@180866243819995136>, depends on the": it looks like the vscode extension tries to use this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009443876626518137/unknown.png
12:49:38FromDiscord<creikey> nimlangserver
12:52:05PMunchAh yes, that is the silly new one which depends on nimsuggest instead of compiling it in
12:52:28FromDiscord<creikey> it looks like nimsuggest just crashes? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009444604258558049/unknown.png
12:53:07FromDiscord<enthus1ast> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009444766339039302/image.png
12:53:08FromDiscord<enthus1ast> with this one it works\:
12:53:29FromDiscord<enthus1ast> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009444855019216916/image.png
12:53:49FromDiscord<dom96> why do you even need an extension for this?
12:53:54FromDiscord<dom96> Doesn't VS code support lsp natively?
12:54:08FromDiscord<enthus1ast> i have no clue
12:54:11PMunchI think LSP was created for VSCode wasn't it?
12:54:29FromDiscord<dom96> yeah, pretty sure it was
12:54:31FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @dom96 "Doesn't VS code support": I tried googling this and can't tell
12:54:51PMunchBut it requires configuration, so there are a lot of packages which provides a default configuration for language X
12:55:12PMunchIn Vim for example you point it at the executable and tell it for which languages to run that executable.
12:56:35FromDiscord<gavr> In reply to @konsumlamm "2.0 will have some": where can I get list of planned braking changes?
12:56:45FromDiscord<creikey> what is even going on with this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009445677513854976/unknown.png
12:56:50FromDiscord<creikey> "Nimsuggest version: null"
12:57:44FromDiscord<creikey> I think this is an exception in nimsuggest https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009445927720853594/unknown.png
12:58:21FromDiscord<dom96> yep, also these extensions should seriously report these errors instead of having you go into the dev console lol
12:58:44FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @dom96 "yep, also these extensions": yeah I just get silently fail and no op on goto definition
12:59:08FromDiscord<creikey> is it finally time I switch from vscode back to vim
12:59:10FromDiscord<dom96> > Ah yes, that is the silly new one which depends on nimsuggest instead of compiling it in
12:59:16FromDiscord<dom96> Btw I do still think that is the way to go
13:00:04PMunchdom96, agree to disagree on that one. Another layer of indirection just opens for more possible errors (e.g. in this case where the installed nimsuggest doesn't have --v3)
13:00:49FromDiscord<creikey> this is with nimlsp https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009446703201533983/unknown.png
13:00:52FromDiscord<creikey> just "couldn't start"
13:00:57FromDiscord<creikey> any arguments I'm supposed to pass?
13:01:25PMunchHave a look at the README and issues, you're likely missing some paths and stuff
13:01:26FromDiscord<dom96> I would rather have a rock solid binary that can deal with unknows (like an incompatible nimsuggest) than one that has an unknown Nimsuggest compiled in
13:01:32FromDiscord<konsumlamm> In reply to @gavr "where can I get": https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/changelog.md
13:01:45FromDiscord<dom96> and which is then also less reliable because it reuses nimsuggest code which is insanely unreliable
13:01:54FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @PMunch "<@132595483838251008>, agree to disagree": Wouldn't the counter to that be that if the plugin-creator screwed up you now can't fix it, while with a configurable nimlsp you can update the version yourself?
13:02:21PMunchdom96, that is just a good argument to improve nimsuggest :P
13:02:39FromDiscord<enthus1ast> please improve nimsuggest
13:02:52FromDiscord<enthus1ast> i'm tired of ↵taskkill /im nimsuggest.exe /f
13:02:57PMunchAnd it doesn't have an unknown nimsuggest compiled in, and you can't get silly errors from missing features on runtime because that would be compile-time errors
13:02:57FromDiscord<enthus1ast> ;)
13:03:10FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @enthus1ast "i'm tired of ": this is what the LSP binary should handle for you!
13:03:12PMunchAnd there is no parsing back and forth between nimsuggest and nimlsp, because they are one and the same
13:03:42FromDiscord<dom96> Also it would be easy to implement other "completion providers"
13:03:52FromDiscord<enthus1ast> @dom96\: could be, this is the first time i use lsp, before that i just used "nimsuggest" as the provider
13:03:53FromDiscord<dom96> and have the LSP binary run them for you together with nimsuggest
13:03:58FromDiscord<enthus1ast> or disabled it completely
13:04:00PMunch@Phil, not really, NimLSP is set up to build against the nimsuggest sources you provide, so you could just tell it to use newer sources if you wanted to.
13:04:56PMunchdom96, which other completion providers? As discussed earlier nimsuggest is really the only one.. And besides, there is nothing in NimLSP that means it can't also use something else
13:05:37FromDiscord<dom96> they don't exist yet, but they should
13:05:42FromDiscord<dom96> something like ctags
13:06:21FromDiscord<dom96> I'm also of the belief that 95% of "go to def" and completions can be made using a ctags-like approach
13:06:41FromDiscord<dom96> and it will be super fast
13:08:02FromDiscord<creikey> yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what's up with https://github.com/treeform/boxy/issues/48 using ctrl + click to navigate, majority of the functions I'm going to have many overloaded implementations with different types
13:09:04PMunchWouldn't something like ctags break completely when you bring templates and macros into the mix?
13:09:16FromDiscord<dom96> sure
13:09:18FromDiscord<dom96> that's the 5%
13:10:16PMunchMore like 95% in my codebases :P
13:11:29FromDiscord<dom96> Then you're using too many templates/macros :P
13:12:01FromDiscord<Bung> @PMunch https://github.com/PMunch/nimlsp/pull/132
13:12:41FromDiscord<dom96> oh, guess we need better multisync docs
13:12:55FromDiscord<dom96> cool that you're using it though
13:13:26PMunchdom96, that's the whole fun of using Nim though :)
13:14:20FromDiscord<Bung> I realize that after months
13:14:23FromDiscord<dom96> you won't be saying that in 5 years when you can't remember the template/macro magic you've implemented :D
13:14:48FromDiscord<Rika> only sounds like an issue if you dont document xd
13:15:20FromDiscord<dom96> You won't ever document enough
13:15:24FromDiscord<Generic> it would be worse to figure out my code if I used copy paste and slight modification instead of templates
13:15:49FromDiscord<dom96> There is a reason we have a saying around here: use the least powerful construct (i.e. only use template if proc doesn't work)
13:15:50PMunchdom96, eh I'm doing good so far
13:16:05PMunchThe trick is to make your macros readable :)
13:16:49PMunchI tend to do very little magic and only stick to transformation to other constructs, seems to work well enough
13:19:01FromDiscord<dom96> in any case, I think ctags can still do a very good job and maybe once it works for normal Nim code we could then ask it to run against expanded macros output from the compiler
13:19:20FromDiscord<creikey> wait can renderdoc not run on nim built executables?
13:19:20FromDiscord<dom96> that would definitely get it closer to nimsuggest's problems
13:22:09FromDiscord<dom96> This is one of those things that I would build but I have by far reached my project limit
13:22:28FromDiscord<dom96> But if anyone wants to collab on implementing this let me know
13:23:48FromDiscord<Generic> In reply to @creikey "wait can renderdoc not": I've used it many times sucessfully with Nim
13:24:01FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @Generic "I've used it many": just found out it's a problem with how windy gets the opengl context
13:24:11FromDiscord<creikey> https://github.com/treeform/windy/issues/94 opened an issue here
13:24:38FromDiscord<Generic> ah I'm always using SDL for that
13:25:11FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @Generic "ah I'm always using": yeah, sdl doesn't have copy pasting of images which I neeed
13:25:12FromDiscord<creikey> (edit) "neeed" => "need"
13:25:18FromDiscord<enthus1ast> @dom96\: we should collect such "project suggestions" somewhere
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13:32:43FromDiscord<dom96> good idea, maybe we need something similar to `needed-libraries` but for project suggestions?
13:33:38FromDiscord<enthus1ast> yeah and it must be advertised as something like\: "hacking suggestions\: "
13:33:48FromDiscord<enthus1ast> or contributions suggestions
13:34:02FromDiscord<flywind> needed-libraries probably needs to be pinned to get more attention.
13:34:12FromDiscord<enthus1ast> yes thats what i meant
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13:54:53FromDiscord<Freakwill (William Song)> get Error\: type mismatch\: got 'set[range 0..65535(int)]' for '{1}' but expected 'Line = set[uint8]'. Following is the code\: type↵ Line = set[uint8]↵var d\: Line={1}
13:56:07FromDiscord<Rika> `var d: Line = {1'u8}`
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14:25:59FromDiscord<proton> Is there any libp2p chat exmpale in Nim?
14:56:45FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @dom96 "something like ctags": it may be possible to have a special pragma/hook that the me macro creator uses for when in dev that autogens the ctags indexes to the macro generated symbols? It will require extra work from the macro creator but it may help?
14:56:52FromDiscord<proton> Noise handshake, peer infos don't match! ok(12D3KooWP8eJUnthozNsJNyawukpdbpzFdj4qZjYiarrtKBfPg9J) != 12D3KooWAPiuTyD48rZ4TeDZphg1xPhLbmc5hbv51vTZtqFTJK9L
14:57:31FromDiscord<proton> nim-libp2p exmple directchat errors
15:20:55FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @jmgomez "it may be possible": sure, that could work
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15:47:14FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @dom96 "sure, that could work": Cool. I guess there isnt done for ctags. It's just an idea, right? ↵Let us know if there is a way to help. As a recent newcomer to the lang, I feel like tooling was one of the things that made me think investing time in Nim twice
15:55:30FromDiscord<4zv4l> is there a way to do a `findAll(str, regex)` on a multiline string ?
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16:01:31FromDiscord<4zv4l> I can't modify the `reMultiLine`
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16:08:07FromDiscord<4zv4l> and is there a group matching ?
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16:37:57FromDiscord<enthus1ast> there are several regex libs
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18:06:45FromDiscord<enthus1ast> to allow varargs[untyped] to be used withouth specifying all named optional parameter
18:11:15FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/47Sl
18:12:05FromDiscord<enthus1ast> not only varargs[untyped] but any varargs
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18:40:17FromDiscord<demotomohiro> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47Sq
18:50:35NimEventerNew question by Philipp Doerner: How to dynamically link your nim-application against musl?, see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/73393568/how-to-dynamically-link-your-nim-application-against-musl
18:50:56FromDiscord<Phil> Self answered question. If anyone wants to provide an example for dynamically linking against musl on windows feel free
18:51:14FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "Self answered question." => "The above SO question is self-answered."
18:51:28FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "free" => "free, I have no idea what it takes there"
18:58:27FromDiscord<Phil> By the time I'm done I hopefully never have to ask a simple question about the compiler ever again because I'll hopefully be able to just copy paste my SO answers
19:02:47FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @dom96 "There is a reason": I like to believe that is a generally applicable rule to any language that allows any kind of metaprogramming
19:27:43NimEventerNew thread by RedByte: Read/write access to global variable in multithreaded application, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9379
19:29:09FromDiscord<leorize> btw, since you're already using docker, you can use an alpine container to compile your nim application, it will use alpine's gcc which links with musl
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19:38:04FromDiscord<enthus1ast> this works in this case but consider this\:foo("aa", bb= 1337, uu = baa, zz = baz )↵(@demotomohiro)
19:38:35FromDiscord<enthus1ast> "uu = baa, zzz = baz"↵are the varargs
19:44:19FromDiscord<enthus1ast> mh i should have done my nimja path with the table syntax
19:44:33FromDiscord<enthus1ast> this would have composed better
19:45:12FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=47SM
19:45:19FromDiscord<enthus1ast> [Edit](https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003530/371759389889003532/1009548251785080943): mh i should have done my nimja patch with the table syntax
19:46:53FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @leorize "btw, since you're already": My first attempt at figuring things out was "How to get it working on my system".↵When I got that figured out laziness kicked in and the desire to figure out how to get a nim compilation process to work on an alpine container disappeared 😅
19:51:50NimEventerNew thread by Bcharest: Jnim documentation ?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9380
19:53:55FromDiscord<Phil> Btw does anyone know of a good image generator for like character portaits? Namely I'm pondering image generation for dnd character art
20:01:22FromDiscord<enthus1ast> maybe you could try these ai driven generators
20:02:44FromDiscord<Phil> I'm staring at a ton, but all of them are either not free or I can't just add them to a local project. There is one that gives you access to a dataset but their guide on using it is entirely reliant on google drive and using it to generate the images with some...tensorflow python script? I'm not sure
20:03:11FromDiscord<Phil> What's frustrating is that I know there's good shit out there, all of https://www.reddit.com/r/dndai/ is testament to that
20:04:11FromDiscord<enthus1ast> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009553245720555671/image.png
20:04:48FromDiscord<enthus1ast> they all have the same disease haha \:)
20:05:12FromDiscord<Phil> True, the eyes of DALL E have been fucked 90% of the time
20:05:13FromDiscord<Phil> BUT
20:05:34FromDiscord<Phil> There is good stuff like this as well https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009553594149769378/unknown.png
20:06:16FromDiscord<Phil> Apparently the ones on there are almost all Dall E though, appears to be the unbeaten champion
20:10:01FromDiscord<enthus1ast> problem solved\: "A dnd like character portrait with closed eyes" \:D
20:10:21FromDiscord<enthus1ast> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009554799093620856/image.png
20:10:27FromDiscord<Phil> ~~Make DallE open source now~~
20:11:12FromDiscord<enthus1ast> maybe there is open source code out there, where you can train the network yourself
20:11:21FromDiscord<enthus1ast> then you could train it on eg MtG cards
20:11:52FromDiscord<Phil> ~~I mean including the datasets or at least the model because getting the dataset together is the most painful part~~
20:12:23FromDiscord<enthus1ast> or maybe not do such "realistic" characters
20:47:47FromDiscord<j-james> well there's stable diffusion
20:48:14FromDiscord<j-james> free to researchers + promises to be fully free and available in the next couple weeks
20:49:21FromDiscord<j-james> also trained on open datasets
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21:32:08FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @enthus1ast "maybe there is open": Technically Dall-E is outdated: https://imagen.research.google/
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21:56:49FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @Isofruit "I like to believe": true
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22:00:32FromDiscord<dom96> wow, I just did "A dnd like character portrait on a dark background" on DALL-E and got: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009582528170037301/unknown.png
22:00:40FromDiscord<dom96> That's the best DALL-E faces I've seen ever
22:02:03FromDiscord<dom96> Let's just change forum avatars to these :D
22:05:07FromDiscord<dom96> that would be a fun april fools
22:12:09NimEventerNew thread by Jasonfi: Can't isolate an object with a DateTime field, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9381
22:25:33FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @dom96 "wow, I just did": can you do "Nimlang logo" lol
22:26:23FromDiscord<!&luke> In reply to @Isofruit "~~Make DallE open source": Yes
22:26:34FromDiscord<dom96> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009589076069982219/unknown.png
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22:27:34FromDiscord<!Patitotective> last one is amazon
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22:28:28FromDiscord<dom96> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009589554359050281/unknown.png
22:28:31FromDiscord<!Patitotective> it would be better to choose the nim animal first (if the logo is going to be an animal)↵something like "cute lion drawing"
22:28:33FromDiscord<dom96> not bad
22:28:40FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @dom96 "": exactly lol
22:28:43FromDiscord<!Patitotective> looks nice
22:29:11FromDiscord<dom96> A while ago we landed on honey badger as a mascot
22:29:38FromDiscord<dom96> though lion probably fits better since it's the king of the jungle
22:30:37FromDiscord<dom96> maybe too cute https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009590077497806971/unknown.png
22:31:11FromDiscord<dom96> now it's too scary lol https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009590239074979901/unknown.png
22:32:21FromDiscord<dom96> The first one is pretty good https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1009590535834583090/unknown.png
22:33:56FromDiscord<dom96> I'd love to hire an actual artist to make something like this for Nim
22:37:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Clearly we need "Lion with crown in the style of looney tunes"
22:41:16FromDiscord<dom96> Unfortunately DALL-E just turns that into clip-art looking things
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22:50:58NimEventerNew Nimble package! bu - B)asic|But-For U)tility Code/Programs (Usually Nim & With Unix/POSIX/Linux Context), see https://github.com/c-blake/bu
23:33:50FromDiscord<voidwalker> https://nimble.directory/pkg/yukiko - git returns 404 :\ what's up with this package?
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23:53:36FromDiscord<Bubblie> How would you do a const pointer in nim