<< 17-12-2021 >>
00:01:07FromDiscord<MegaIng (MegaIng)> Aha, then I wrote a to generalized example from my actual problem. I tried that but it didn't work in my actual code.
00:01:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Do you have you real code somewhere, i dont mind self abuse
00:02:20FromDiscord<MegaIng (MegaIng)> Nah, I am currently in the early stages of starting to develop this and wanted to directly have sensible type definitions
00:03:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you want me to take a look throw the type defs in a file and share it, otherwise cant say much, probably just generic cache being drunk
00:03:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There is a non zero chance i'm the reason it's not working, i've caused issues before 😛
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00:04:42FromDiscord<MegaIng (MegaIng)> This is it
00:04:44FromDiscord<MegaIng (MegaIng)> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ICK
00:04:55FromDiscord<MegaIng (MegaIng)> Well, no that is not the actual code
00:05:01FromDiscord<MegaIng (MegaIng)> But this is no very very close
00:05:36FromDiscord<MegaIng (MegaIng)> E.g. I want a linked list of arrays of some kind
00:06:24FromDiscord<MegaIng (MegaIng)> And either way I order the object/ref it throws an error
00:06:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ICL
00:07:19FromDiscord<MegaIng (MegaIng)> That does in fact work as a workaround
00:07:25FromDiscord<MegaIng (MegaIng)> Why didn't I think of that?
00:07:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You dont have a degree in workaroundology?
00:07:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It very much sounds like a generic cache issue so i'd suggest making an issue on the github repo if you have the time
00:08:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though i imagine one already exists
00:08:43FromDiscord<MegaIng (MegaIng)> Could very well be, I had no clue what words to search for. But I will try again
00:15:15FromDiscord<huantian> Is it possible for two procs to be mutually recursive?
00:18:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
00:18:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Forward declare both and voila
00:19:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3ICM
00:19:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Really mutually recursive procs there
00:21:38FromDiscord<huantian> cool beans
00:25:35FromDiscord<Yardanico> seems like i found an oob bug in httpclient, nice
00:25:51FromDiscord<Yardanico> some web server replies with headers in a very weird way but both browser and curl seem to be happy with it
00:31:05FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/19261
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01:07:45FromDiscord<Yardanico> this goddamn http header mess
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01:54:56FromDiscord<valerga> just now I missed nims feature of x.func vs func(x) format, in javascript
01:55:15FromDiscord<valerga> it would be useful. only way I see is changing the dom element's prototype and eh
01:55:30FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Yardanico "https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/19261": https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/19262
01:55:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yep it's a wonderful thing, i especially miss it looking at C# 😀
01:55:50FromDiscord<Yardanico> so the root issue is that httpclient doesn't really follow the spec and just finds the `:` in a line to find the header name
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03:15:27nrds<Prestige99> hey zacts
03:48:35NimEventerNew question by How2: Pythonic pip freeze in Nim or how to list installed packages?, see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70388197/pythonic-pip-freeze-in-nim-or-how-to-list-installed-packages
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05:58:32FromDiscord<Yardanico> i don't get these questions
05:58:38FromDiscord<Yardanico> is it just asking for the sake of answerring?
05:58:45FromDiscord<Yardanico> i can make tens of those on SO too 🤔
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06:07:57FromDiscord<valerga> who is How2?
06:08:02FromDiscord<valerga> looks useful though
06:08:38FromDiscord<Phytolizer> Can I include a string at compile time, like Rust's `include_str!("file.txt");`?
06:08:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `const a = staticRead("file.txt")`
06:09:03FromDiscord<Phytolizer> staticRead, thank you :)
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07:11:55FromDiscord<reilly> Is there a meaningful difference between `type SomeRange = 0..127` and `type SomeRange = range[0..127]`?
07:13:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The former is the latter
07:26:51FromDiscord<Rika> You could have said that they were the same
07:27:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Riddles i must speak in
07:27:24FromDiscord<Yardanico> woof woof
07:27:29FromDiscord<Yardanico> meow meow
07:39:05FromDiscord<reilly> Is there a convenient way of `sleep()`ing until the beginning of the following day? (i.e. the time is 7:53pm, so sleep for 4 hours and 7 minutes.)
07:39:50FromDiscord<reilly> I already have a way of doing it that works, but it seems to me like a silly way of doing it. Surely there must be a better way.
07:53:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> How are you doing it presently?
07:56:33FromDiscord<Rika> How precise do you need it to be
08:09:53FromDiscord<reilly> In reply to @Rika "How precise do you": Precision isn't very important. I'm happy as long as it triggers no earlier than 12am on any given day.
08:10:27FromDiscord<reilly> Ideally within the first minute would be nice, though :P
08:12:42FromDiscord<Yardanico> have you considered using the OS facilities for that?
08:12:46FromDiscord<Yardanico> like systemd timers or cron
08:16:26FromDiscord<reilly> In reply to @Elegantbeef "How are you doing": `format(now + 24.hours, "yyyy-MM-dd").parse("yyyy-MM-dd") - now` - Basically, I format then re-parse the DateTime so that all the time information I don't need is discarded, and I end up with a DateTime that effectively represents "Tomorrow at 12am." Like I said, a silly way of doing it, but it is a one-line expression.
08:18:21FromDiscord<reilly> In reply to @Yardanico "have you considered using": I haven't, but that seems like overkill for this silly little thing I'm doing. The only reason I ask, really, is because this isn't the first time I've wanted to sleep() until the very beginning of the next day. Ideally I'd like to be able to write down a convenient way of doing it that I can use later, when I need to do it again, just in case.
08:18:41FromDiscord<Yardanico> I don't really think it's silly, it's actually smart IMO :)
08:18:52FromDiscord<Rika> I think it’s the best way
08:18:56FromDiscord<Yardanico> it's much easier from the developing standpoint to just use existing mechanisms
08:19:02FromDiscord<Yardanico> and it will work across reboots and stuff
08:19:03FromDiscord<Rika> Without relying on OS I mean
08:20:00FromDiscord<Yardanico> first you write some scheduling stuff, next you make scripts to autostart your program on reboot, and in the end you have an init system :D
08:20:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3IE7 i suppose is what you're really doing
08:20:42FromDiscord<reilly> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3IE8
08:21:02FromDiscord<Yardanico> well that's just my opinion, it just seems a bit weird to me to `sleep` for hours in a program
08:21:11FromDiscord<Yardanico> instead of using some scheduling to launch it when needed
08:23:44FromDiscord<reilly> It's not a "real" program that I'll actually be running, it's just a silly little script, so I feel like in this case it's better to just have a ludicrously long sleep time than to go through the trouble of doing it the better way just for a joke script that I'll never actually run.
08:24:56FromDiscord<narimiran> Nim 1.6.2 is out!! https://nim-lang.org/blog/2021/12/17/version-162-released.html
08:24:58FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @reilly "It's not a "real"": and what if you reboot?
08:25:00NimEventerNew thread by Miran: Nim 1.6.2 released, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8717
08:25:03FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @narimiran "Nim 1.6.2 is out!!": so fast after rc?
08:25:04FromDiscord<Yardanico> interesting
08:26:24FromDiscord<reilly> In reply to @Yardanico "and what if you": Maybe I could do a better job of explaining why I don't care about doing it the right way if you just see it: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3IE9
08:28:12FromDiscord<reilly> Like I said, a silly little script. I can't imagine that anybody would run this for more than three seconds, if at all. It's about the festive spirit, not the functionality :P
08:29:34FromDiscord<Rika> Well at least now you know what to do when you need to do it in a serious program
08:33:30FromDiscord<reilly> If I really wanted a task to run periodically in the real world, there's no way I'd do it the sleep() way. I hate useless windows cluttering up my taskbar... I get annoyed enough already using a Fidget window to render a background for OBS.
08:34:06FromDiscord<Rika> Why do you use a- you know what you do you
08:34:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Got it done without deprecation warnings 😛 https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3IEb
08:36:34FromDiscord<reilly> In reply to @Rika "Why do you use": Because I want fancy procedurally-animated backgrounds in OBS, and I want to be able to write them quickly and easily. Doesn't get much easier than just drawing basic 2d shapes...
08:36:46FromDiscord<Rika> Oh so you’re like me except more sane
08:36:57FromDiscord<Rika> I was planning on manually doing everything via pixie
08:37:28FromDiscord<Rika> I’ve got some ideas that I don’t think would fit fidget
08:37:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Reilly have you ever seen nanim? https://github.com/EriKWDev/nanim might be something you like
08:38:03FromDiscord<reilly> I may do something more elaborate in Pixie someday, but I haven't written any new backgrounds in a long time and I you can go a long way with circles and some post-processing FX.
08:39:13FromDiscord<reilly> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Reilly have you ever": I have, haven't gotten around to giving it a spin yet though. The last time I wrote one of these backgrounds I'm talking about was 7 months and 24 days ago, so it hasn't exactly been a priority.
08:39:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah was just asking since it seems similar to what you described 😀
08:41:09FromDiscord<Rika> Oh yeah that I forgot
08:41:13FromDiscord<Rika> Might use that as well
08:41:35FromDiscord<reilly> For simple stuff like what I've done, I prefer the obvious, procedural syntax that Fidget lets me use. But, if I were to do something more serious and/or elaborate, I'd probably go with Pixie or Nanim.
08:42:01FromDiscord<Rika> Yeah my plans are kinda stupid wrt. my overlay haha
08:42:03FromDiscord<reilly> But I have no interest in making more stuff like that at the moment :P
08:44:53FromDiscord<reilly> Fidget is good enough for when you just want a little bit of eye candy: https://youtu.be/UUmRA1PmE-8
08:49:07FromDiscord<Rika> Is that max?
08:49:28FromDiscord<Rika> Looks dope the bg
08:52:47FromDiscord<reilly> Bitwig actually, I've taken a peek at Puredata and I dislike the UX... Max, while not exactly the same, I'd wager would be a similar story. It'd only be worth it using if it was Max4Live-flavored, as the standalone Max would be pretty useless to me.
08:53:02FromDiscord<reilly> (edit) "actually," => "actually!" | "actually!I've taken a peek at Puredata ... and" added "before"
08:53:22FromDiscord<reilly> (edit) "This is Bitwig actually! I've taken a peek at Puredata before and I dislike the UX... Max, while not exactly the same, I'd wager would be a similar story. It'd only be worth ... it" added "using" | removed "using"
08:53:45FromDiscord<Rika> Max afaik is the proprietary brother so technically it should be nicer
08:53:54FromDiscord<Rika> I’ll look into bitwig though since damn
08:56:32FromDiscord<reilly> Bitwig and U-He have been working on a new audio plugin format (https://github.com/free-audio/clap), and all I'm going to say is that if one were to create an idiomatic Nim wrapper/interface for this library, that would be a serious game changer.
08:59:34FromDiscord<Rika> Do you not want to try making it?
08:59:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cmon reilly change the game
09:00:40FromDiscord<Rika> I mean if I do get super interested I’ll try but I don’t think I will
09:00:47FromDiscord<reilly> I would like to, but I don't have nearly a good enough understanding of C to work it out, at least not on my own.
09:00:50FromDiscord<valerga> is this to replace vst?
09:00:55FromDiscord<Rika> Let’s say 5% probability I do make such
09:01:06FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @reilly "I would *like* to,": You could just ask I guess
09:01:11FromDiscord<Rika> Some of us do
09:01:15FromDiscord<reilly> Besides, the format is still in the works, so you can forget about doing it until it's properly codified.
09:01:30FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @reilly "Besides, the format is": Can always just change it once the thing is codified
09:01:36FromDiscord<Rika> Shouldn’t be too hard I assume
09:01:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well the best way to learn that information is you just try then hit the wall
09:01:57FromDiscord<reilly> In reply to @valerga "is this to replace": I don't think it will, but I wish it would. I think everybody's pretty sick of Steinberg's proprietary crap.
09:02:09FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Well the best way": C does bite back really hard and often though
09:02:36FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @reilly "I don't think it": If only LV2 did huh
09:02:44FromDiscord<Rika> 14 competing standards
09:04:43FromDiscord<reilly> Actually, no, you know what? I have a better answer.
09:05:20FromDiscord<Rika> ? Let’s hear it
09:06:38FromDiscord<reilly> Based on statements from U-He, it appears to be the case that, while CLAP is a standalone format, it can be translated and/or interfaced with in such a way that it would be relatively easy to write your plugin using CLAP and then compile/bundle it in the VST format.
09:06:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Prefixed questions Rika is using Lisp english edition
09:07:19FromDiscord<reilly> LV2, by contrast, is from my understanding intended to be a replacement for VST, which realistically isn't going to happen, at least not anytime soon.
09:07:31FromDiscord<Rika> Sorry, my native language is VSO
09:08:26FromDiscord<Rika> Or do you refer to something else
09:08:36FromDiscord<Rika> The question mark?
09:09:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
09:09:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You prefixed the question with the `?` operator 😛
09:09:43FromDiscord<Rika> Okay
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09:19:38FromDiscord<valerga> wew new nim release
09:19:44FromDiscord<valerga> found out via HN
09:20:57FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @valerga "wew new nim release": #announcements
09:21:00FromDiscord<Yardanico> #community-events
09:21:02FromDiscord<Yardanico> in this chat a bit up
09:21:10FromDiscord<Yardanico> on the forum, on reddit, on the website :)
09:21:33FromDiscord<Yardanico> it's a minor patch release though
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10:28:07FromDiscord<dom96> I think it's time someone creates a drinking game based on HN comments 😄
10:28:50FromDiscord<Yardanico> oh wow, 51 points so fast
10:29:04FromDiscord<dom96> it'll get killed as soon as one of the mods wakes up
10:29:33FromDiscord<dom96> but it seems our timing was good
10:32:49FromDiscord<dom96> "transpiles" 🥃
10:34:22FromDiscord<valerga> python 🍹
10:35:27FromDiscord<amadan> s_t_y_l_e_i_n_s_e_n_s_i_t_i_v_e 🍷
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11:09:44FromDiscord<hmmm> oh wehw we on hn?
11:10:00FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @hmmm "oh wehw we on": every Nim release is on HN
11:10:04FromDiscord<Yardanico> (edit) "In reply to @hmmm "oh wehw we on": every ... Nim" added "new"
11:14:24FromDiscord<hmmm> "why would I care about nim there is a ton of different langs already" if these frigging plebs cannot see a no benefit in a typed python that is not slow as an old whale I guess the joke is on them
11:27:50FromDiscord<hmmm> do hn people really believe people write nim programs L_i_K_e_T_h_i_S
11:29:26FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @hmmm "do hn people really": yes
11:29:29FromDiscord<Yardanico> have you seen my nim code yet?
11:29:37FromDiscord<el__maco> Extra snake mode ftw
11:29:49FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Yardanico/nuglifier/master/example_output/example_case.nim
11:29:58FromDiscord<Yardanico> my usual nim code style
11:30:03FromDiscord<hmmm> lol
11:30:14FromDiscord<Yardanico> (it compiles btw)
11:30:40FromDiscord<el__maco> such a boomer joke but they should allow l33t code in symbol names too
11:31:24FromDiscord<dom96> !eval var 💬 = "Hello"; echo(💬)
11:31:26NimBotHello
11:31:38FromDiscord<valerga> `iN_PuT[0]`
11:31:38FromDiscord<dom96> No need for l33t code when you've got emojis
11:32:44FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @valerga "`iN_PuT[0]`": people sometimes forget that cAsE_InSeNsItIvI_tY applies to keywords too btw
11:32:53FromDiscord<Yardanico> but fear not, nim got you covered
11:32:58FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @hmmm ""why would I care": Well why would I care about go or zig or rust it’s really the same thing
11:33:12FromDiscord<Rika> It’s just that the value of what Nim offers isn’t immediately appreciable versus the others
11:34:14FromDiscord<Solitude> marketable buzzword has not arrived
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11:35:45FromDiscord<hmmm> man I've tried rust for just 5 minutes so I'm far from an authority but cannot fathom how people got enough stomach to deal with that robo verbose sythax
11:35:59FromDiscord<hmmm> I still have a cargo folder from the tutorial laying somewhere
11:36:29FromDiscord<valerga> saying nim is typed python is short selling it. nim features a bunch of genius experimental ideas that i haven't seen in other languages
11:36:56FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @valerga "saying nim is typed": Keyword is experimental; people don’t like stuff that is weird and experimental and unorthodox even if it’s a good idea
11:36:59FromDiscord<Rika> People don’t like change
11:37:10FromDiscord<Solitude> In reply to @hmmm "man I've tried rust": you're no better than hn posters then
11:37:17FromDiscord<hmmm> for sure lol
11:37:27FromDiscord<valerga> experimental/modern
11:37:40FromDiscord<valerga> it's a modern language
11:39:43FromDiscord<Rika> Rust is cool, I don’t like how much people are seemingly overhyping it though
11:40:33FromDiscord<Yardanico> yeah, memory safety is all cool and good but there are tons of other problems with security in apps
11:42:15FromDiscord<valerga> i studied rust for some months
11:42:24FromDiscord<valerga> got hyped, even listened to podcasts about it
11:42:33FromDiscord<valerga> wrote some programs in it
11:42:42FromDiscord<valerga> but discovering nim was like loosing out a tight belt
11:43:00FromDiscord<valerga> small things, even "echo x" is a lot easier
11:43:10FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Yardanico "yeah, memory safety is": And if you want to argue, rust goes against some issues such as those that are caused by readability
11:43:22FromDiscord<Rika> And yeah ease of use
11:44:01FromDiscord<Rika> I don’t like people who treat a language (even if it’s Nim) as a fixes-everything kind of godlike entity
11:44:25FromDiscord<Rika> And rust is just egregious with the amount of people within their religion
11:45:07FromDiscord<hmmm> I mean....wtf is this lol https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/921367401675759636/wtf.png
11:46:45FromDiscord<Yardanico> a screenshot
11:47:22FromDiscord<Rika> An image
11:47:28FromDiscord<dom96> A Portable Network Graphics
11:48:58FromDiscord<valerga> nim's rust backend when
11:49:05FromDiscord<dom96> never
11:49:40FromDiscord<valerga> is it possible though?
11:49:52FromDiscord<dom96> of course
11:57:31FromDiscord<Rika> It’s just too different and hard to generate for
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13:18:38FromDiscord<tandy> what would be the point↵(@valerga)
13:18:42FromDiscord<tandy> zig backend however.....
13:32:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @tandy "zig backend however.....": what's the point? the same question as you asked
13:32:46FromDiscord<Yardanico> zig targets llvm ir anyway, and if you only need cross compilation from zig, zig cc is a thing
13:42:13FromDiscord<tandy> joke↵(@Yardanico)
13:42:24FromDiscord<Yardanico> You never know these days
13:42:29FromDiscord<tandy> lool
13:42:41FromDiscord<tandy> zig truthers
13:42:46FromDiscord<Rika> i mean
13:42:50FromDiscord<Rika> theyre all wonderful languages
13:43:00FromDiscord<Rika> its just that my opinions sway me towards nim the most
13:45:27FromDiscord<tandy> tbh if zig replaced c that would b cool
13:45:47FromDiscord<Rika> ~~tbh if nim replaced c that would b cool~~
14:00:58FromDiscord<el__maco> ~~c would still continue to exist because of the c backend~~
14:25:23FromDiscord<ynfle (ynfle)> The point could be easier cross compilation
14:26:04FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @ynfle (ynfle) "The point could be": zig cc
14:33:27FromDiscord<AmjadHD> Is there an official grammar for nim configuration files (nim.cfg) ?
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14:56:11NimEventerNew thread by Rnd83: How can I convert a generic Type?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8718
15:09:20FromDiscord<Saptak> which c compiler does nim ship with?
15:14:33FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> iirc with none, but after installing nim you run finish.exe and it will search for mingw in your path and if it cannot find it it will install it
15:16:33FromDiscord<GeeLeonidas> has anyone tried wrap tons of headers via futhark?
15:18:04FromDiscord<GeeLeonidas> I'm trying to wrap libnx, but some functions don't appear inside the generated .nim file
15:18:14FromDiscord<GeeLeonidas> (edit) "wrap" => "wrapping"
15:21:01FromDiscord<GeeLeonidas> I'm thinking about opening an issue but I'm not certain if this is futhark's fault
15:23:27FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> do they use macros and does futhark support them?
15:30:27FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @Saptak "which c compiler does": nim is not shipped with c compiler.
15:30:57FromDiscord<demotomohiro> On linux, package manager automatically install gcc before installing nim
15:31:48FromDiscord<demotomohiro> And Nim just call gcc when compiling
15:32:07FromDiscord<GeeLeonidas> In reply to @Recruit_main707 "do they use macros": they do use, but after looking into futhark's cache it seems that it can understand them
15:33:13FromDiscord<GeeLeonidas> interestingly, if I switch a header's position, some of these functions become avaiable
15:36:23FromDiscord<GeeLeonidas> I would guess that futhark is ignoring functions with unknown types, but maybe I'm missing something here
15:36:49FromDiscord<GeeLeonidas> (edit) "unknown" => "not yet wrapped"
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15:43:37FromDiscord<Saptak> In reply to @demotomohiro "nim is not shipped": Ok
15:43:42FromDiscord<Saptak> In reply to @Recruit_main707 "iirc with none, but": Ok
15:44:13FromDiscord<enthus1ast> on windows i normally use msys2 to install a recent gcc
15:44:28FromDiscord<enthus1ast> mingw/gcc
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17:42:55FromDiscord<geekrelief> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3IGv
17:46:53FromDiscord<geekrelief> Hmm I guess I can use `{.noinit.}` on the proc.
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17:47:31arkanoidI have a question about iterator. I know there are closure iterator, inline iterators, but there are also non inlined but non-closure iterators?
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17:54:16FromDiscord<geekrelief> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3IGz
18:18:48NimEventerNew thread by Xioren: What am I missing here? (async), see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8719
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18:38:46ozzzHi! Does asan and tsan supported in Nim? I tried, only able to exec binary with asan.
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18:45:48FromDiscord<hmmm> hey how do I use a fusion package, is fusion auto imported?
18:46:03FromDiscord<IsaacPaul> In reply to @ozzz "Hi! Does asan and": https://pewpewthespells.com/blog/using-sanitizers-with-nim.html ?
18:46:07FromDiscord<IsaacPaul> maybe that helps
18:46:36ozzzIsaacPaul, thanks!
18:49:52FromDiscord<Solitude> In reply to @hmmm "hey how do I": like any other nimble package
18:50:01FromDiscord<hmmm> yea I found it on nimble
18:50:37FromDiscord<hmmm> but still the import doesn't work in standalone you have to import the single package like in my case import fusion/iotools
18:51:02FromDiscord<Solitude> what
18:51:07FromDiscord<hmmm> or not..
18:51:10FromDiscord<hmmm> yea it doesn't work
18:51:45FromDiscord<hmmm> but still how do I use it, if I just import fusion I get an error 😦
18:52:09FromDiscord<Solitude> ?
18:52:16FromDiscord<hmmm> hmmmmmmm
18:52:20FromDiscord<hmmm> I'm confus'd
18:52:28FromDiscord<Solitude> https://github.com/nim-lang/fusion/tree/master/src/fusion
18:52:32FromDiscord<Solitude> fusion is collection of packages
18:53:09FromDiscord<hmmm> oh shi it's not iotools it's ioutils lol
18:53:44FromDiscord<hmmm> perfect it works!
18:58:02FromDiscord<dom96> @ajusa looks like your article is on HN front page
19:00:54NimEventerNew thread by Nimnewbie1: Memory safety suggestions will this work, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8720
19:06:23FromDiscord<hmmm> In reply to @dom96 "<@!102899813149855744> looks like your": as a total webstuff noob, that's impressive to me, karax and jester do a lot of heavy lifting with a few simple lines needed 👀
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19:08:54FromDiscord<dom96> the beauty of DSLs 🙂
19:09:58FromDiscord<ajusa> In reply to @dom96 "<@!102899813149855744> looks like your": Oh wow second time in my life I've been on the first page of HN 😄
19:14:19FromDiscord<ajusa> But this sort of content is popular/useful, I'll keep writing this sort of stuff when I'm free. Showing off a small project will probably get more people to try Nim
19:14:30FromDiscord<ajusa> (edit) "But ... thisseems" added "since" | "is" => "seems to be"
19:14:44FromDiscord<dom96> yep, blog articles are one of the best ways to promote Nim
19:16:46FromDiscord<hmmm> I'm eagerly waiting for the video series of "How to build the entire python standard library with 16 lines of nim sequtils"
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19:18:25FromDiscord<konsumlamm> honestly, sequtils is overhyped
19:18:43FromDiscord<hmmm> do we have better stuff than sequtiles? 👀
19:20:25FromDiscord<treeform> I like sequtiles
19:20:58Zevvzerofunctional
19:24:00FromDiscord<konsumlamm> sequtils returns a new seq for everything, which is pretty inefficient
19:24:42FromDiscord<konsumlamm> i'd like it if it worked on iterators, but even then i'd think it's overhyped, since every modern language has something comparable
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19:47:51FromDiscord<reilly> In reply to @hmmm "I mean....wtf is this": Where did you get this from?
19:49:46FromDiscord<hmmm> In reply to @reilly "Where did you get": Side-by-side code snippets from Rosetta Code for comparing 2 languages: https://rosetta.fiatjaf.com/
19:50:18FromDiscord<reilly> Fantastic, thank you
19:53:20FromDiscord<Kermithos> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3IH8
19:53:21FromDiscord<Kermithos> Do I have to use Nil?
19:54:07FromDiscord<hmmm> nu you probably want to use std/options
19:55:46Zevvkonsumlamm: that's why I mentioned zero-functional
19:55:56Zevvit's sequtils done right at the macro level
19:56:11Zevvhttps://github.com/zero-functional/zero-functional
19:56:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Depends on the semantics for the typeof(x) you want
19:56:31Zevv"Functional style handling of sequences is awesome, and Nim is supposed to be fast and smart. Allocating new sequences on each method in a chain can be extremely wasteful and there are not a lot of technical reasons to punish functional style like that.
19:56:35ZevvThis library can expand functional chains to simple loops fusing the method bodies one after another. It is still very experimental, but it shows that a purely metaprogramming approach can be used to optimize functional Nim code."
19:57:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> ZF is nice but i'd really be nice to see iterators in nim be chainable without external tooling
19:57:30Zevvyes, but we don't have that now, and we *do* have ZF now :)
19:57:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I agree
19:57:45Zevvalso, I know a way to chain iterators, but i'll not talk about that here
19:58:58FromDiscord<hmmm> Zev I recently discovered keepItIf from sequtils and found it amazing, is there a zerofunctional version of it
19:59:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well i think if iterators were allowed to take iterables but it turned them into generics, it'd solve the problem, though i didnt get that fully implemented
19:59:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Iterables could be though as a static generic which i think could resolve the issue, though idk
20:01:47Zevvhmmm: I don't know, the semantics are quite different under the hood, ZF core job is trying to not allocate new seqs in a chain, so the regular filter() might prove just fine
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21:02:47FromDiscord<that_dude> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3IHB
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21:18:30FromDiscord<that_dude> Actually I think I got it
21:18:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Why not do `x: proc`?
21:18:46FromDiscord<that_dude> First time I'm ever messing with macros
21:19:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Sorry i guess you have to do `x: typed`
21:19:25FromDiscord<that_dude> Trying to get the typing right is hard for me lol
21:19:51FromDiscord<that_dude> Tbh there is so much I'm trying to keep track of that the idea of that was there once, and then slipped my mind
21:20:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What are you trying to do anyway?
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22:10:09FromDiscord<JSONBash> reading that HN thread has really opened my eyes. Gotta make sure I am less dismissive of stuff I don't 'like', or I could end up looking like a fool lol
22:12:03FromDiscord<JSONBash> Also just a lesson to not add negativity to something I have no part in, whats the use?
22:13:18nrds<Prestige99> What HN thread?
22:13:38FromDiscord<JSONBash> There is one on Nim 1.6.x release
22:14:11nrds<Prestige99> ah https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29589436
22:22:24FromDiscord<Sabena Sema> if you use a generic multiple times i. the same module but different uses imply different bindings for open symbols will the compiler pick the first like in c++ or actually emit (and mangle differently) each variation?
22:23:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It should use the first since it adds to the generic cache
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22:27:21FromDiscord<Sabena Sema> even across modules or no?
22:27:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Should also across modules
22:27:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can always try it with a compile time counter
22:27:48FromDiscord<Sabena Sema> if yes that seems like it could cause breakage, since non-dependent symbols can be open easily
22:27:51FromDiscord<Sabena Sema> hmm
22:27:52FromDiscord<Sabena Sema> yeah
22:28:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3IHN
22:28:39FromDiscord<Sabena Sema> the more I think about this stuff the more I warm to Ada’s “you gotta explicitly instantiate and name generics”
22:29:18FromDiscord<Sabena Sema> could also have an open symbol in there that prints different things at each point of instantiation
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22:54:56PyautoguiAbout https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8558, would it be easier to write a "skin" that removes curly braces around indented blocks as opposed to writing a full parser? Maybe a -d:curlyBraces flag. The syntax would be exactly the same otherwise (enforced whitespace, etc). Ignore this question if this question is dumb. Like
22:54:56Pyautoguihttps://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3IHS excepted automated instead of commented.
23:03:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Eh `{}` is used for sets, and table constructors so there can be ambiguity
23:04:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `let a = if true: {someVal} else: {0}` vs. `let a = if true: {{someVal}} else: {{0}}`
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23:06:07PyautoguiWhat about only allowing it for multi-line stuff? Might be inconsistant, but I really think that enough people like that sort of syntax (idc about it) that it would be worth it.
23:08:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> if whitespace significance is a spooky demon, just make your editor render scope
23:08:24FromDiscord<leorize> or make `end` an actual thing in nim \:p
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23:12:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Aw damn blockman doesnt work with nim
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23:57:50FromDiscord<spazzy> what causes this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/921551793249452032/unknown.png
23:58:27FromDiscord<spazzy> i have two different linux installs, one void one arch, and the void one gives an os error
23:58:34FromDiscord<spazzy> for some reason
23:59:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Hard to say without the code
23:59:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> OSError means a multitude of things
23:59:40FromDiscord<spazzy> the error is coming from the compiler